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The behaviors and attitudes that attract the most women will repel men for friendships.

Does an arrogant guy get women? Yes.

Do other guys want to be around someone like that? Nope.

The best naturals have the right balance/compromise: confident enough to be a leader, but humble and down to earth enough to be likeable. These guys attract women AND have guy friends.
 

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Mike32ct said:
The behaviors and attitudes that attract the most women will repel men for friendships.

Does an arrogant guy get women? Yes.

Do other guys want to be around someone like that? Nope.

The best naturals have the right balance/compromise: confident enough to be a leader, but humble and down to earth enough to be likeable. These guys attract women AND have guy friends.
So my attitude is the right one? What doesn't seem to work then?
 
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Mike32ct said:
The behaviors and attitudes that attract the most women will repel men for friendships.

Does an arrogant guy get women? Yes.

Do other guys want to be around someone like that? Nope.

The best naturals have the right balance/compromise: confident enough to be a leader, but humble and down to earth enough to be likeable. These guys attract women AND have guy friends.
An arrogant guy will attract a low quality woman because like attracts like after all.

Arrogance for me is the trait of a low quality man. This guy is an absolute cretin and the only reason he gets attention is because he goes looking for it.
 

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@Pluto: What is wrong with being arrogant when approaching others or women? Different people react different, right?
What is wrong? People dislike it. Do you want to hang around someone who thinks he's better than you? Or would you rather be around someone who understands he's a worthwhile person, but doesn't compare himself to you?

Friendships aren't based around who is better than others. I highly encourage you to read that link fully, several times, and I highly encourage you to see a psychologist.

If you are simply concerned with sleeping around, then all you need to do is approach. Women are culturally ingrained to not approach, and to give off body language signs that they want you to approach them.

Not only that, but if you want a woman confident enough to approach you, you are going to be waiting a long while.
 

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Mike32ct said:
The behaviors and attitudes that attract the most women will repel men for friendships.

Does an arrogant guy get women? Yes.

Do other guys want to be around someone like that? Nope.

The best naturals have the right balance/compromise: confident enough to be a leader, but humble and down to earth enough to be likeable. These guys attract women AND have guy friends.
this to the letter. though i don't have very many guy friends. I could if i really wanted to but BETA male guy friends are more maintenance than women are. I'm not particiarly intersted in wasting my energy showing you that even though i make more money than you have a better relationship than you do, am in better shape than you are, read more and learn more than you do, can cook better than you can, can dress better than you can and lord knows what else that I'm still no better than you so that we can hang out and watch a game from time to time or go to the track. **** that's worse than women.

OP you are me. I dress up, and i actually have had a lot of success in my life and I am very aware of what I am.

You have to understand how the beta male mind works. guys are going to jump at the opportunity to point out some latent potential flaw in you for the simple reason that it in their mind invalidates any one up man ship you have on another man. In other words it's like the guy who is ripped to freaking shreds getting told by his friends that he "doesn't get it" beucase he doesn't "know how to cut lose" beucase he won't have a few beers wtih the fellas and the beer drinking friends patting themselves on the back beucase they can do something that the ripped to shreds guy now can't do. these are the guys who kill you with "i would never do all that to impress a girl" yet are at the club every weekend.

IF you really want to be the best person you can be, you are not going to have very many male friends. If it means straying from the pack, being yourself, pushing yourself guys don't like that. IF it means not agreeing with other guys if it means not dressing like other guys if it means not being into things other guys are with guys aren't going to like you in spite of that.

nothing is wrong with you i dont' think and the people who tell yout hat there is, are people who want **** to be wrong with you. there is nothing wrong with holding yourself to a higher standard.
 

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Perhaps he's not in US? the drinking age may well be younger, in other countries, you know.
 

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OP, you are not better. I'd bet that your lowly (friendlier, more approachable) friends are getting laid more than you are. It's pretty obvious to those around you that you are dressing well/being arrogant to cover your insecurity.
 

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backbreaker said:
this to the letter. though i don't have very many guy friends. I could if i really wanted to but BETA male guy friends are more maintenance than women are. I'm not particiarly intersted in wasting my energy showing you that even though i make more money than you have a better relationship than you do, am in better shape than you are, read more and learn more than you do, can cook better than you can, can dress better than you can and lord knows what else that I'm still no better than you so that we can hang out and watch a game from time to time or go to the track. **** that's worse than women.

OP you are me. I dress up, and i actually have had a lot of success in my life and I am very aware of what I am.

You have to understand how the beta male mind works. guys are going to jump at the opportunity to point out some latent potential flaw in you for the simple reason that it in their mind invalidates any one up man ship you have on another man. In other words it's like the guy who is ripped to freaking shreds getting told by his friends that he "doesn't get it" beucase he doesn't "know how to cut lose" beucase he won't have a few beers wtih the fellas and the beer drinking friends patting themselves on the back beucase they can do something that the ripped to shreds guy now can't do. these are the guys who kill you with "i would never do all that to impress a girl" yet are at the club every weekend.

IF you really want to be the best person you can be, you are not going to have very many male friends. If it means straying from the pack, being yourself, pushing yourself guys don't like that. IF it means not agreeing with other guys if it means not dressing like other guys if it means not being into things other guys are with guys aren't going to like you in spite of that.

nothing is wrong with you i dont' think and the people who tell yout hat there is, are people who want **** to be wrong with you. there is nothing wrong with holding yourself to a higher standard.
Thanks man. I found that when i went by myself on Saturday i enjoyed myself more than when i go with them. I have never cared as to what others do. I only care about what i do. I feel i am more determined than other people and that may come off as arrogant. The gym is my main priority. I have come a long way to get to where i am at too. I don't drink because i don't waste what i work for. What about approaching a woman? How can i do that this "way"?

@Bushmaster: They are friendlier and more approachable. However, they have low standards. Some of them would bring home a fat girl and say its better than nothing. I would rather not bring anyone than bring something not up to my high standard. I take care of myself, dress extremely well, and i know i'm good-looking and handsome, since women tell me it all the time. I would bring someone who matches my asking. For me to take home a girl that isn't up to my standard is for me to aim low and for her to get someone WAY, WAY out of her league. That is the biggest insult to me. What would that insecurity you mention be? I dress well because that's what i like. I don't dress like that for anyone else.
 

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Ronaldo7 said:
@Bushmaster: They are friendlier and more approachable. However, they have low standards. Some of them would bring home a fat girl and say its better than nothing. I would rather not bring anyone than bring something not up to my high standard. I take care of myself, dress extremely well, and i know i'm good-looking and handsome, since women tell me it all the time. I would bring someone who matches my asking. For me to take home a girl that isn't up to my standard is for me to aim low and for her to get someone WAY, WAY out of her league. That is the biggest insult to me. What would that insecurity you mention be? I dress well because that's what i like. I don't dress like that for anyone else.
So EVERY woman who compliments you is below you? If you think you are too good, even women who you ARE interested in will reject you if they feel you are too far above them. Also being approachable doesn't mean just women approaching you, an unapproachable guy won't have good success when approaching them. Other posts have laid it out why being friendlier will get you more respect and more success. Tone your ego down and see what happens. Don't be that impossible to get guy. Be that guy who enjoys life and people.

I work out too but I also enjoy myself including a good IPA or three when I'm out.
 

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He sounds like he is very intimidated by women and is probably, actually, gay. Try a gay bar: they will come right up and fondle your nice suit for you! You won't have to do *any* work at all there!
 

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Trailboss said:
He sounds like he is very intimidated by women and is probably, actually, gay. Try a gay bar: they will come right up and fondle your nice suit for you! You won't have to do *any* work at all there!
As a guy who's never been to a gay bar before, do gay bars really work that way?

Just curious
 

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Can I ask you what are your achievements in your life ?


I will say it indirectly, I from a crybaby kid developed in hard skinned mentally dude. Psychologist asked me how come I didn't explode and shoot people like they do in America... I wonder how I survived yeah. But lets say, even though I didn't take up the IQ test, those fun game ones were around 130-140 and the skill to teach myself many things has helped me in my lifepath.

Also friendliness in a serious matter ( how weird does that now sound) and my cunning way of thinking. One thing that helped me in dealing with people is not trusting them fully. Which also has bad sides, especially in relationship to an extent of paranoia. Which is raised by reading all the stories about girlfriends of these members.


Anyway, first my survival and second, my high level of creativity and technical abillities on instrument. And pretty good build.



So , can you tell us what makes you think you are above everyone else.


Oh yeah, we are quite different. I on the other hand tend to dress like Kurt Cobain. I don't like girls who are attracted to $$$ , so I put them on initial test by visual. Then if they like my almost 'good' personality, ride on.
 

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Bushmaster said:
So EVERY woman who compliments you is below you? If you think you are too good, even women who you ARE interested in will reject you if they feel you are too far above them. Also being approachable doesn't mean just women approaching you, an unapproachable guy won't have good success when approaching them. Other posts have laid it out why being friendlier will get you more respect and more success. Tone your ego down and see what happens. Don't be that impossible to get guy. Be that guy who enjoys life and people.

I work out too but I also enjoy myself including a good IPA or three when I'm out.
So you are telling me to approach women, but then you tell me that since i am unapproachable, i wouldn't have any success with it because i'm unapproachable. How exactly are you "friendlier"? How do i "Tone my ego down"? These may seem dumb questions to you, but i don't understand how to do this.

I work out to maximum effect. Having a beer would hinder everything i religiously work so hard for. All power to you if you do this. However, it isn't for me.

@Trailboss: I'm not gay and i'm not intimidated by women. You have a very wrong misconception.
 

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You are unable to accept any viewpoint but your own, and any agreement to it.

That is an ego, and that is arrogance riddled with insecurity. You can't even accept that it's an issue, and immediately jump into 'I don't understand', 'I do this this and this, so that should be right', and only agreeing/thanking/accepting the viewpoint of the one person who agreed with you.

It's fairly simple - stop thinking of yourself as better than others. Not only that, but you are judging everyone else before knowing them. My two best friends aren't nearly as successful as I am - does that matter? I don't judge them for it, I merely am friendly, we have fun, I have my success and they have their limited success determined by the effort put in. That doesn't mean they are bad people, and deserve to be looked down upon. They've simply made different choices and were born with different genes. I don't care if you work out more, if you work harder at a career - you are assuming that all that work there translates into not having to work to get a woman.

Tough luck man, but you still have to work to get women. You can only slack off and snatch women up that are below your league. If you want women in your league, you'll have to work for it.

Be friendlier, yes - talk as an equal to people, not as a superior. Confidence is understanding your own value, accepting it, and not judging others for being higher or lower than you. Arrogance is trying to place yourself above everyone else.

If really, all you want is women - then keep the arrogance, but work to get a woman, rather than assuming they'll walk up to you. How do you approach? You walk up and talk to them. After you do that 100 times with various women, you'll learn which ways get you into their pants and which don't. You need to experience the failure to learn success.
 

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I'm still sticking to my opinion that you actually have low esteem or asperger's syndrome...

But....you know it is possible to have high standards for yourself and not seem like a d*ck. For starters, you are fishing in the wrong pond. The girls you are looking for are not hanging out in those college 18+ clubs (and I call bullsh*t on you getting in 23 and up clubs because you know the manager....if you did, they wouldn't let all your friends in with you and you wouldn't be hanging out on the floor) ....anyway.... you say that you have higher standards but you don't surround yourself with people of that caliber, which means that you have nothing to show for these high standards. People who achieve excellence are quickly surrounded by others who are above or equal to that level of driven purposefulness because their efforts attract like-minded people.

Stop going to these stupid clubs. They're ok if you want to hang out with your friends and maybe meet a few new people but you are not a social guy so this isn't your scene. What are you really passionate about? What are you working on achieving in life? Go to some meetup groups that are about the same things you are about. Get with intelligent people from your school who are working on projects and find some older people within that clique who can mentor you properly and teach you how to dress for certain situations and still portray the level of "classiness" that you say you have.

Take some freakin' behavioral science classes and learn about the things that make most regular people tick. You're not going to MARS anytime soon so you'll need some people skills.....that doesn't mean you "lower yourself" to the standards of everybody else...it means that you know how to get the best out of the people around you.

Expand your social circle and you'll start getting invite to some REAL upclass joints where you can break out the fine attire. Then you will be in a situation where others around you will challenge YOU to be better. Trust me, there are loads of cats and ladies out there who will mentally school your @$$ in ten minutes and you want to find those people and learn from them.

Godspeed, my friend.
 

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Plutoman said:
You are unable to accept any viewpoint but your own, and any agreement to it.

That is an ego, and that is arrogance riddled with insecurity. You can't even accept that it's an issue, and immediately jump into 'I don't understand', 'I do this this and this, so that should be right', and only agreeing/thanking/accepting the viewpoint of the one person who agreed with you.

It's fairly simple - stop thinking of yourself as better than others. Not only that, but you are judging everyone else before knowing them. My two best friends aren't nearly as successful as I am - does that matter? I don't judge them for it, I merely am friendly, we have fun, I have my success and they have their limited success determined by the effort put in. That doesn't mean they are bad people, and deserve to be looked down upon. They've simply made different choices and were born with different genes. I don't care if you work out more, if you work harder at a career - you are assuming that all that work there translates into not having to work to get a woman.

Tough luck man, but you still have to work to get women. You can only slack off and snatch women up that are below your league. If you want women in your league, you'll have to work for it.

Be friendlier, yes - talk as an equal to people, not as a superior. Confidence is understanding your own value, accepting it, and not judging others for being higher or lower than you. Arrogance is trying to place yourself above everyone else.

If really, all you want is women - then keep the arrogance, but work to get a woman, rather than assuming they'll walk up to you. How do you approach? You walk up and talk to them. After you do that 100 times with various women, you'll learn which ways get you into their pants and which don't. You need to experience the failure to learn success.
I did state i have a very big ego, didn't i? I don't understand those things that are basic to you because i have never done them.

Knowing that i am better than others is ingrained in me. It's something that i have just learned to accept. I tried to change this by being nice and all the things people suggested, but i found that i can't change who i am. A lot of people have told me that even though i may be arrogant and ****y, i have the right attitude to succeed and trounce everyone in the process. You are who you surround yourself with. If you are around friends who are simply underachievers, you won't realize and achieve your full potential. I have never snatched a woman that was below my standard. That's the sole reason i don't approach women and reject the ones that come up to me who aren't worthy. However, you are right that if i want a certain woman i would need to go up to her and approach her. I do talk to people like they are equal. They simply interpret it as if i'm superior, which they aren't mistaken. I don't place myself above anyone. It's simply too obvious for words and people realize it.

I don't want a relationship. I have no time to care about someone else so much. If all i want is this, i keep the "arrogance", right?

Just to get it clear. It doesn't look right to me that the better dressed person walks up to the other. Am i wrong? I feel like i am dressed so well compared to her and that it's just not going to look right. I also get told that when i talk to people i have this arrogant and ****y tone, which will probably be a downfall when i talk to her. I'm not trying to be arrogant or ****y, it is simply the walk i talk to people.

@Scott: There are too many things that make me better.

I'm not like everyone else. I have the drive and determination that most people would never comprehend.

I can do anything i set myself to ALL the way. I don't stop midway or slow down when i reach it. I go full force onto anything, which is why i come off as ****y or arrogant. I simply could care less about others when i'm trying to get what i want. It is a very "in your face" approach. It leaves the other person feeling like " I was trying to say something, but damn i got nothing". I intimidate people into second doubting themselves. Everything YOU THOUGHT you were doing right will be put to the test when you see me. I have the ability to change the world. I have it all. Whatever i do, good or bad, i will be pretty damn successful at it. I will set the standard for all to follow. I have the mind, the body, and the soul. My young years betray all that i bring, which is why i hang out with people that are 5+ years older. Every girl that has talked to me tells me that i am full of myself, ****y, arrogant, but they always mention how driven and determined i am. When i step into a room, it's like i'm flexing when i'm not. I exude everything people could/want to envy. There isn't anything that i DO that i'm not good at. Everything people tell me i can't do, i end up doing it better than them. The scent of success follows me everywhere. I know it is hard to understand when you aren't at my level, but it's a feeling that makes you naturally better than everyone. I don't try to be, it simply shows. However, it does hinder a lot with women, especially approaching them, which is my problem.

@Captain: I get into those clubs because i am friends with the bouncers and i know the manager well. I know A LOT of people, which i use to my benefit. The girls that go there are 21-23+. I look a lot older and simply fit in the crowd. My friends, whom i go out with, are some of the bouncers from the same club. However, i only hang out with 1 friend most of the time. This guy is my best friend, who is 23, and knows the bouncers as well. It is just us 2 most of the time. My best friend is a pretty successful guy and that is why i hang out with him so much. In that aspect, i agree with you 100%. I speak money. I'm passionate about anything that has to do with making money and more money. I find i don't work well with others, which solely makes me rely on myself. I do go to REAL upside clubs. This club charges 35$ cover just to get in. The drinks are also the most expensive in the city. I HIGHLY DOUBT anyone can mentally challenge me, especially a woman. Au contraire mon ami, i would school them.
 

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Let others puff you up. Don't do it yourself. A big ego is just a mask. You're hiding something. Insecure. Your fantasies about yourself sound delusional. How you see yourself and how others see you are vastly different.

You can be awesome in every way, but the truly great men do not THINK of themselves as great. They're just getting the job done.
 

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Damn... This is a shocking reminder of how I used to be. Got very similar remarks from all the guys, and even some girls. Not a good way to be. But its hard to contain when you get so much attention and admiration from the opposite sex. It pretty much creates this kind of attitude and persona. That's why so many "hot" people are arrogant, ****y, conceited, etc. It's also why everyone from the same sex hates them, and they spend all of their time with the other sex.

But underneath it all is a very insecure, approval-seeking, low self-esteem mess. Never fails. Had friends, and dated some women who were the same way. Running your existance off your ego is a bad way to live, IME. When you don't get that attention or admiration, you feel worthless and ****ty. Plus, everyone hates you, finds you annoying and shallow, and only wants you for sex. And you're always fighting with people; trying to prove how awesome you are; defending yourself at every turn. Too draining.

At least now I know why everyone hated me, tore me down constantly, etc. Same thing is happening to you. Just hope you're not sensitive, or take things personally. :cry:
 

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@DownLow: I'm guessing you only speak 1 language. You should take a look at the world today and tell me that the fact that i speak 4 languages is my strength and it is your handicap. Don't be so narrow-minded.

You have me figured out all wrong. When i mean a suit, i'm talking about a business suit. That consists of dress pants, a formal tie, a long-sleeve collar shirt, and dress shoes. If other people wear "club shirts", why would i care? Everyone thinks i'm well dressed and they think those other people look like homeless druggies.

My associates are all older than me. 21,23,25,31. The thing is that i don't appear my age. I'm taller than all of them and completely overshadow them in that aspect.
You get only once chance at a first impression. You blew it. You failed the only test I thought was important. No point tugging on my pants leg and whining that you have other attributes that you think are worthy of consideration too. No point trying to cheat the results, after the fact, and try to prove that the test giver was not competent. You're a failure.
 

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OP, you sound like me when I was well-dressed but deeply insecure and aloof, rather than now, still well-dressed, but more secure and open with people. Presentation certainly matters but your other nonverbal communications matter, too. Like others have said, you don't seem confident, you seem asperger-y, to make up a word.

Troll Alert at orange.
 
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