Article: Most Young Men are Single; most young women are not

[MatureDJ]

Why should I settle for an average at best female when I see PLENTY of men who are short, bald/balding and/or overweight dating women better looking than them?

Maybe they are EscortMaxxing or SugarDaddyMaxxing?

 

[corrector]

I've mentioned this before, but another thing taking young women out of the market is the LGBTQ movement. If you look at the numbers, you'll find this movement especially appeals to young females. And I've lost count of the number of young women I've known who decided that they were lesbians (even though they may have changed their minds later). Even if they're "only" bisexuals, that can take them off the market for a considerable amount of time if they're having an intense affair with another woman.

Those types make exceptions for chad though.

 

[MatureDJ]

I've mentioned this before, but another thing taking young women out of the market is the LGBTQ movement. If you look at the numbers, you'll find this movement especially appeals to young females. And I've lost count of the number of young women I've known who decided that they were lesbians (even though they may have changed their minds later). Even if they're "only" bisexuals, that can take them off the market for a considerable amount of time if they're having an intense affair with another woman.

This is the meme that AaronClarey talks about as "women just don't like men that much". I'd bet dollars to donuts that a lot of lesbian women would switch to the other team for a Chad, but not for a Normie.

 

[MatureDJ]

Mostly due to the hair loss. I figured that, if anybody is going to cut me some slack on that, she’s likely going to be well north of 40.

I could be wrong, but that’s been the thought.

So I haven’t really tried 30s at all in a few years.

There is something about 30-something chicks in which at least some are very discriminating against BaldCels. Although I have a bald spot, my front is very verdant, and the cougars I've had all seem to like to handcomb it. I could see being short & bald as being the Incel Double Bingo.

 

[MatureDJ]

I know this because I actually have a lot of deep dark conversations with women unburdening themselves to me to find a way out of their PTSD.

Amsterdam attracts a certain number of women that would consider being a prostitute, even if they don't end up going through with it. Of course, a lot of them are going to be dark.

 

[TheGrindEqualsHappiness]

A young, attractive woman will consider options in and out of her age group, although she may keep quiet about it.

This is where your logic goes south.
First thing to understand is to stop thinking that women(or humans) use logic to decide to whom they feel attracted to. It just doesn't work like that.
They feel attracted to people that make them feel tingly down there.

About the topic:
AmsterdamAssassin summed the "old guy young girl" case much better and in more detail than I ever could.

From strictly looks wise, as happily married mid forty ex-prettyboy with good physique and really short buzzed / shaven head. I get IOI:s from younger chicks in venues where it's possible to be without shirt on.

And in work environment where I never run any game, being just my positive and really nice self, I get similarly IOI:s from variety female co-workers.

I had a period in my thirties with more powerlifter look closer to 30 BF% so I can calibrate on the difference.

I think the biggest hurdle is that my life nowadays is so totally different from 20-somethings life that it's really hard to actually relate and have normal everyday chitchat on the thigs that interest both of us.You don't neet to do that to F-close, but still it comes up at some point.

 

[zekko]

This is where your logic goes south.
First thing to understand is to stop thinking that women(or humans) use logic to decide to whom they feel attracted to. It just doesn't work like that.
They feel attracted to people that make them feel tingly down there.

Yes, and some of those people might be older guys. For whatever reason. I don't see where we are in any disagreement here.

 

[zekko]

Those types make exceptions for chad though.

Doesn't even have to be a Chad, from what I've seen. Just some guy that interests her, and she'll switch back.
I wonder how many guys are interested in a woman who has spent considerable time "playing for the other team" though. Obviously if it's just about a ONS or a spinning plate it probably wouldn't matter. Might even be a selling point for some (possible threesome).

This is the meme that AaronClarey talks about as "women just don't like men that much".

Not familiar with Aaron Clarey, but I often wonder what women see in men. I can see how men are useful, and can offer protection, and I guess they have the sexual tools to fill their space. But females are just so much more physically attractive than males, both generally and objectively. Most young healthy women will be considered attractive by most men, but a much smaller percentage of men are seen as attractive by females. If you don't have standout looks, you really need to form some sort of emotional attachment to attract a woman, IMO.

 

[corrector]

but I often wonder what women see in men.

You have a girlfriend, right? What does she see in you? Then you have the answer to that question.

 

[zekko]

You have a girlfriend, right? What does she see in you? Then you have the answer to that question.

On some level I understand it, and on another I don't. Life is full of mysteries. I know she has an emotional attachment to me, and that she depends on me for strength and ability in tense situations and whatnot.

Women like men with masculine traits. Not the current crop whining about how they cannot get a woman.

I know that the masculine attracts the feminine, that makes sense. Like I said, on some level I can rationalize it, but on another I can't quite grasp it. Since I'm not female, I don't have that perspective. I guess this is a weakness I have. Like you said, girls are with you because of the way you make them feel. I mean a puppy can make them feel something. It's the sexual dynamic, I suppose. Women are more physically attractive (some guys prefer to put this that men are more "visual", but I think these guys are in denial because they want to think they're just as good looking).

That's why women are paid (more) to strip, act in porn, to model, or to dress skimpily in breastaurants. You don't see restaurant businesses focusing on the penis lol. It's the old PUA standard about how a woman's value remains constant (since it's based in how she looks), while a man's is constantly changing (depending on his behavior and accomplishments, or even how successfully he is socializing, or playing the "game").

 

[zekko]

Breastaurants are focused on your penis, but it isn't focused on their vagina, but their breasts.

Breastaurants are focused on your wallet. But breasts are uniquely feminine, guys don't have an analog. Some guys say muscles are the masculine analog, but I don't quite agree.

Actually, it isn't. A woman's value starts to deteriorate quite quickly and she needs to capitalise on it before her valuable looks deteriorate too much. That's why women also have to work on themselves to become better wives, otherwise they will miss the boat and end up cat ladies.

Well, that's a separate discussion. Men tend to age better than women, although I know a couple where I swear she hasn't changed a bit in 20 years, while he has aged badly. Of course, a lot of that can depend on how you take care of yourself. And in our current culture, fewer women are that concerned about being married. Divorce is all the rage.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi OC16,
There are so many factors that have gone unmentioned here...I think it is very much a US & N Asia centred phenomenum,for which the greedy,unrealistic expectations of your employers has much to answer,there are a number of Quora threads on this...From what I have read you Guys & Gals must be so dog tired after a Days toiling,that you just don't have time nor energy to date,for many Porn is the acceptable alternative,that just wasn't available in my Day,Though it satisfies,Porn creates unrealistic expectations....I have read that similar sweat shop periods in Victorian England saw 10% of the Females being "on the game"....Then there are the huge numbers of predominantly dating age single Males your political and economic Masters are encouraging to flood your Nation,this must also skew the Gender balance!

 

[corrector]

Hi OC16,
There are so many factors that have gone unmentioned here...I think it is very much a US & N Asia centred phenomenum,for which the greedy,unrealistic expectations of your employers has much to answer,there are a number of Quora threads on this...From what I have read you Guys & Gals must be so dog tired after a Days toiling,that you just don't have time to date,

Exactly, right on the nose. Plus, if you are in the Gen-X generation/older Millenials you might have elderly parents that you need to look after, as well as your own children on top of that (ie assuming you are a single dad).

Personally, I can attest to the idea that when I'm full-time employed, and then have to come home to take care of changing my mother's dentures, and getting negative feedback from women at work, it's just feels too hopeless.

for many Porn is the acceptable alternative,that just wasn't available in my Day,Though it satisfies,Porn creates unrealistic expectations

Porn is reactionary because looksmatch and below-looksmatch level women are also rejecting guys. It was available in your day if you are Gen-Xer, it's was available on VHS tapes, magazines, and stuff like that. What was not available is escort-ads being an almost virtually different type of porn like it is today.

With me porn, as in looking at escort ads for the purpose of fantasizing about the idea of purchasing the company of woman for conversation, cuddling or whatever else might happen between two consenting adults, is satisfying because it gives an illusion that I could pay for access for women on demand. The expectations should not be unrealistic because it's likely that if I were to contact an escort to make arrangements, that chances are I probably should be able to see one.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Corrector,
Porn in my day was magazines like "Lilliput"and "Men Only",the Pin ups wore Bikinis!!!....I saw my first "Playboy" at 16 years old an American Boy bought it to school,we couldn't believe our eyes....Forget about VHS Corrector it didn't exist for us Black and white TV for four hours a night came the year I left school....But,but,but most of us got regular Svex if only with the same few promiscuous girls.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Corrector,
I am profoundly grieved by your need for female company...Toronto has
Tango Venues I know that because we had a Young Guy turn up from there...We all thought He came from some place called Tyranna in the back blocks of Canada...Google up Argentine Tango,Milongas,Toronto...Then next dance they have,pay a miserable ten,fifteen dollars at the door and you will see lots of lovely Girls ready to dance and talk with you....Men wont learn the Tango,it is hard at first but just a female smorgasbord if you take lessons and learn.

 

[corrector]

But,but,but most of us got regular Svex if only with the same few promiscuous girls.

Then you did not need porn back then.

 

[corrector]

Hi Corrector,
I am profoundly grieved by your need for female company...Toronto has
Tango Venues I know that because we had a Young Guy turn up from there...We all thought He came from some place called Tyranna in the back blocks of Canada...Google up Argentine Tango,Milongas,Toronto...Then next dance they have,pay a miserable ten,fifteen dollars at the door and you will see lots of lovely Girls ready to dance and talk with you....Men wont learn the Tango,it is hard at first but just a female smorgasbord if you take lessons and learn.

Dancing lessons, including Tango venues, were thought about when I was 28-29 years old, back in 2005. It didn't materilize to me actually going to those venues. I'm a bit more caked into my set-up (ie as I said full-time job, taking care of elderly parents, not much breathing space at all for those types of things).

I have danced together with an escort back in Dec 4, 2014, and we were dancing naked together (ie her big breasts were on my chest and I was able to grope her naked large a$$ while we were dancing to her music while I was kissing her on her face like a doll).

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Corrector,
You never tried Milongas and you were a different guy 20 years ago,having been an Adult Teacher for 23 Years of my life and negotiating business deals,running maybe five or six building projects and renting up to seven houses at a time for perhaps 50+years...I would be considered socially skilled....Could I sell someone Insurance just given a Name and number....Not on your Nellie,You have developed enviable skills and shouldn't dig such a big hole for yourself....If you will just follow up on these Milongas and there are ten+ venues in Toronto you will find someone,probably an older Woman to take you under her wing...What have you to lose?

 

[zekko]

I'm a bit more caked into my set-up (ie as I said full-time job, taking care of elderly parents, not much breathing space at all for those types of things).

Having all that on your plate must put a crimp in your dating life. I respect the hell out of you for taking care of your parents though. I'm sure there are women who would admire that also, it's just meeting them that's the trick.

 

[corrector]

Having all that on your plate must put a crimp in your dating life. I respect the hell out of you for taking care of your parents though. I'm sure there are women who would admire that also, it's just meeting them that's the trick.

There has been no dating life for quite a while now. Even if I hypothetically saw a woman who would admire that, then there are allot of other negative issues that would chase her away. For example, I'm tied to this home and the house itself is rather small, messy and cramped for anyone, aside from my immediate family to live here. We have even refused relatives who visited from other countries to come visit us in this home because it presented too poorly. Then there are money issues on my end (ie people may expect someone like me in their late-40s to be better established, so if I were taking care of my parents then I'd have my own home or something like that and coming to visit to take care of them rather than actually living with them and never moved out before, etc....) Just saying, there are just allot of negative boxes all over the place that's not condusive for any dating life. Maybe I'm a bit of a poorcel then....but then again other 'cels tend to intersect each other.