Article: Most Young Men are Single; most young women are not

[Mike32ct]

Yes, and perhaps you are more realistic about your expectations then the OP is.

I try to be brutally realistic. I don’t talk to 30s women at all in real life unless it’s business related.

 

[SW15]

I try to be brutally realistic. I don’t talk to 30s women at all in real life unless it’s business related.

Why is that?

The toughest thing with childless 30 somethings is that a lot of them are itching for babies soon.

 

[Mike32ct]

Why is that?

The toughest thing with childless 30 somethings is that a lot of them are itching for babies soon.

Mostly due to the hair loss. I figured that, if anybody is going to cut me some slack on that, she’s likely going to be well north of 40.

I could be wrong, but that’s been the thought.

So I haven’t really tried 30s at all in a few years.

 

[oc16]

Mostly due to the hair loss. I figured that, if anybody is going to cut me some slack on that, she’s likely going to be well north of 40.

I could be wrong, but that’s been the thought.

So I haven’t really tried 30s at all in a few years.

My friend is 45 and bald and goes on like 2 dates a week!

 

[corrector]

Mostly due to the hair loss. I figured that, if anybody is going to cut me some slack on that, she’s likely going to be well north of 40.

But isn't over 40s the same problem as you have ultra-thirsty younger guys also vying after them and they are cougaring to younger and more virile guys?

 

[corrector]

My friend is 45 and bald and goes on like 2 dates a week!

...and what are the age and quality of the women?

 

[Mike32ct]

My friend is 45 and bald and goes on like 2 dates a week!

But isn't over 40s the same problem as you have ultra-thirsty younger guys also vying after them and they are cougaring to younger and more virile guys?

I look mid tier normie (MTN) in the front and sides with remaining but dyed hair. But the large bald spot on top/back just wrecks it. Have to finally shave this off starting in 2024. Nothing to lose at this point.

 

[corrector]

I look mid tier normie (MTN) in the front and sides with remaining but dyed hair. But the large bald spot on top/back just wrecks it.

Then that bald spot makes you a sub-5, 3/10. Age craters these types of looks points. (ie you mentioned to term "wrecks it" not me)
You'd have to have a chad-tier like handsome face in order for the baldspot to keep you as a mid-tier normie. If you are a mid-tier normie and lose a few points because of the bald spot then that puts you below 5.

You are in good company BTW as I also have a bald spot and I figure only losing body-fat is the only viable way of increasing my looks-score.
How is your body-fat % looking like?

Have to finally shave this off starting in 2024. Nothing to lose at this point.

Maybe it might help. But I think body-fat and overall physique is more important as you age-out. That's the challenge on my end.

 

[Mike32ct]

Younger women will dig your shaved head as long as you're not self-conscious about it.

Understood. I think I would get used to it and lose the self-conscious feeling fairly soon.

 

[corrector]

Younger women will dig your shaved head as long as you're not self-conscious about it.

You have other things going for you. Firstly you ride a motocycle and some gals would be particular turned on by that as that's very masculine. You might have a low-body fat% or good physique and have good masculine energy overall. You also sound financially independent and have allot of female validation and social proof with younger women, etc.... It's not just about how the head is.
However, if you have just raw looks to work with, then it does subtract points, everything else being equal.

 

[corrector]

Understood. I think I would get used to it and lose the self-conscious feeling fairly soon.

But why would you be self-conscious about it? At the end of the day you are only feeling that way because of the feedback you are getting from women in real life. If you get positive feedback, then there is nothing to be self-conscious about. When you are getting negative feed-back, then you can't help but be self-conscious because you think something is wrong or off-putting for certain types of women.

For example, if I told you if you dress like a slob, wear unkept jeans, don't shave, and you'll end up having hb 8s- and 9s throwing themselves at you, AND it actually happens, then are you going to feel self-conscious about dressing like a slob? You'd probably want to dress that way and feel self-concious if you are dressing too well because of the feedback you have.

It's easy for the chadspaliners on here to sound like a know you all and just say "have more confidence" or "you are self-conscious" but then neglect the fact they are getting ALLOT of female validation in their lives while we are not at all on that level.

 

[Mike32ct]

%bf is about 24. Working on weight loss and fitness. Short term target is <20%. Then can fine tune those numbers from there.

Hair dresser thinks I have decent head shape. Other than being very light skinned, there’s no real downside.

Thanks guys. (I’ll stop there.)

 

[The Duke]

All these roadblocks and excuses people put in their way... the difference between a successful person and a failure. Work on your mindset. Your mindset trumps everything. Its the most powerful tool you have, if its used correctly.

 

[SW15]

I look mid tier normie (MTN) in the front and sides with remaining but dyed hair. But the large bald spot on top/back just wrecks it. Have to finally shave this off starting in 2024. Nothing to lose at this point.

Why didn't you do hair transplant for the bald spot on the crown? You have hair front and sides.

 

[corrector]

Of course. I'm an artist, I have great verbal skills, I'm good with my hands and I have certain erotic/sensual skills that make me attractive to women.



That's not a firstly. I ride my bicycle more than my motorcycle and women in general are not attracted to motorcycles. They are attracted to masculinity, but I don't advertise my motorcycling or my martial arts prowess; the masculine traits that attract women are more in my IDGAF attitude and my calm grounded attitude.



Sure. I'm 190cm/90kg and I have good posture from decades of training martial arts. Plus I'm capable and confident in my abilities, and a pretty good dancer. I also have my own style and IDGAF about what other people think about me and how I look.



I don't flaunt my financial status, I don't dress in designer clothes (most of my clothes are old and comfortable), and I don't wear bling. I'm also a divorced father with two teenage children who live with me during the week; I'm diabetic; I'm monocular and have to wear an eye patch; and I have chronic pain from combat damage in my early life. I have to take Janumet twice a day and vape cannabis six times a day; plus all the other age-related issues that come with being over fifty years old.

Women enjoy my company because I'm chill and they can talk with me. I don't bullsh!t them, I don't coddle them, and I don't promise anything I cannot deliver. They know I have plenty of options and live in abundance and that they won't get exclusivity.



Guess that's why I don't go on dating apps, too superficial. I'm not ugly, but I am an acquired taste best experienced in person, not online. And I live in one of the greatest cities on the planet, where I have a cool lair.

Still, on average, if you compare me in the current dating market, I wouldn't score high on the Looks, Money, Status chart.
Most men don't understand why women find me so attractive, but then, they tend to look at men from their own perspective and they have no idea what women are looking for. So a lot of the 'rules' mentioned on this forum don't apply to me.

Exactly. It sounds like you engaged in lots of masculine activities that would strengthen your inner game. Financial status infuences inner game by eliminating logistical challenges (ie if you lived under your parents, or in a croweded apartment shared by other roommates). You have a good physique, body fat and posture so it adds to looks. I did mention the motorcycle and martial arts adds to your masculine profile since you can defend and protect your woman.

You check all the boxes for looks, money and status. Btw there are different type of looks guys can have. You have the rugged masculune look and its congruent to who you are. In other words, you may think the rules dont apply to you, but I may argue that you have fulfilled the rules and are modestly bragging about it. You would also be successful if you used dating apps.

Not all chads have to be a pretty boy that gymmaxxed. Not every girl would go for that look either.

 

[corrector]

Except that most women don't know that I have a motorcycle or do martial arts. If I were to tool around on a motorcycle with a sword strapped to my back, then your argument would hold water, but it's absolutely not part of my 'immediate attraction'.
I do have a protector vibe from working as a bouncer, but I don't go around protecting women left and right.

Women feel safe with me because my dark traits are on the outside. I don't have bottled up frustrated rage that can suddenly explode at the wrong person, but I've lived with violence for a long time, and that marks you. Controlled violence can be attractive and women know I mean them no harm.


I may look fine for a fifty-year old, but I don't look wealthy and my 'status' is not apparent, except that I seem happy and satisfied who I am and where I am. I never cared for status anyway.


That's my IDGAF attitude at work.


I don't have the Looks that are pursued on this forum.
I don't have the Money that is deemed necessary to attract 'hot women'.
I don't have the Status that is deemed important to impress women.

I don't brag, I point out that the 'rules' and all the anxiety around it is mostly nonsense. It's based mostly on what men think and women say that is attractive, but most men don't know what women find attractive and most women say what men want to hear, not what they really think.
I know this because I actually have a lot of deep dark conversations with women unburdening themselves to me to find a way out of their PTSD.


Even though I don't need dating apps for finding dates, on the advice of a female friend who was successful finding dates on apps like Tinder and OKCupid, I did use both of those dating apps to find kinky women for rope bondage.
And yes, I did find a couple, but the ROI of dating apps was abominable. And the amount of fake accounts, scammers and validation wh0res is astronomical. So, no, dating apps don't work for me at all. I find more interesting women just walking around Amsterdam.

The women you were talking about on here earlier you met from the dating apps. You may not be using it because you already founds b d s m partners. It a sick thing to look for so if you hooked up with someone who is not crazy or into drinking blood, it would make good sense to quit while you are ahead. After all, like you said, you have two daughters, so you cant be too careful.

What I am saying is you are easy for me to read. No matter what you are saying, you are an alpha type of guy with swag and have a strong masculine frame and energy. In contrast, both me and others on here are more beta type of guys that do not have a similar frame. In your frame, baldness ADDS points, but others who have weaker frames and vibes it SUBTRACTS points.

 

[SW15]

Mostly due to the hair loss. I figured that, if anybody is going to cut me some slack on that, she’s likely going to be well north of 40.

I could be wrong, but that’s been the thought.

So I haven’t really tried 30s at all in a few years.

I see your thought process. In theory, it makes sense that a 40+ woman would give a late 40s guy a pass on hair loss as compared to 30-39 year olds. In reality, neither will.

40-49 year olds now know they are able to go on apps and get attention from men with height and hair at a minimum, if not the Big 3 of height, hair, and money.

%bf is about 24. Working on weight loss and fitness. Short term target is <20%. Then can fine tune those numbers from there.

I'd say 17% body fat is about when you'll start to get attention.

24% body fat + crown bald spot = very few sexual marketplace options regardless of personality. Only a multimillion dollar net worth and some solid status symbol possessions could compensate.

 

[SW15]

I think you shouldn't compensate with money and status, because it will only buy you grief.

There are 40s-50s men with yachts who are having sex with 20 something women. How do you think they feel? It's possible the grief comes when the woman leaves for a fitter, younger dude.

 

[Mike32ct]

Why didn't you do hair transplant for the bald spot on the crown? You have hair front and sides.

Good question and your point is well taken. It definitely crossed my mind but I didn’t want to go under the knife for something cosmetic. Plus there’s the pain, the cost, use of minoxidil on the remaining sections, and potential for needing future surgeries, etc.

In theory, it makes sense that a 40+ woman would give a late 40s guy a pass on hair loss as compared to 30-39 year olds. In reality, neither will.

40-49 year olds now know they are able to go on apps and get attention from men with height and hair at a minimum, if not the Big 3 of height, hair, and money.

I'd say 17% body fat is about when you'll start to get attention.

24% body fat + crown bald spot = very few sexual marketplace options regardless of personality. Only a multimillion dollar net worth and some solid status symbol possessions could compensate.

Agree completely.

 

[corrector]

Like frauds, having sex with amateur sex workers. None of these women would glance at them if they'd have to attract them with their personality. How proud and manly can you feel when you have to buy your bimbos?

I don't think someone who believes that having sex with an escort counts as a notch count is going to care about how a guy feels buying bimbos. His mindset is different from yours as it pertains to sex. He views sex just as important other physiological activities like eating, sleeping, and is something that needs to be done. You view it as optional and not necessary for the biological survival of the body.
If there sex is your god, then it would appear that anything you do in order to have sex, and with anyone, and in any circumstance would be justified. That is not our religion.