Article: Most Young Men are Single; most young women are not

[corrector]

Good question and your point is well taken. It definitely crossed my mind but I didn’t want to go under the knife for something cosmetic. Plus there’s the pain, the cost, use of minoxidil on the remaining sections, and potential for needing future surgeries, etc.

Good decision. It means getting laid is not the most important thing in life for you. If it were, then you would have taken the cosmetic surgery if you knew it would help your chances.

 

[corrector]

I'd say 17% body fat is about when you'll start to get attention.

24% body fat + crown bald spot = very few sexual marketplace options regardless of personality. Only a multimillion dollar net worth and some solid status symbol possessions could compensate.

You see how absurd this logic is. If you say that to a 20 year old, who attract other 20 year olds, then it advice that makes sense, as they have a higher metabolism at that age, and lose the weight without much effort or sacrifice (ie they may be propped up and have more time to go to the GYM), and in the end-game, they may attract wifey material, or a girl that doesn't have that much baggage.

If you are 40-50 year old, the same type of advice is not the same thing. The metabolism is much slower, you are probably boxed in your life as things settle up (ie your low-paying full-time job, the habits of the day doesn't lend itself to big garguantian tasks like before, etc...) and even if you were to get your body-fat down to 17%, the best you could hope for is a 40+ year old with an insane amount baggage who might notice you among the hordes of younger thirsty guys who are also after her and has an inflated perceived SMV as a result.

Again, why bother?

 

[corrector]

Yes, I am going to settle since SW15 says so.

Believe what you want bro, I'm out!

According to SW15, they are settling with you, not the other way around.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

There are older women out there that aren’t severely damaged, at least not anymore than a 19yo with a 20+ body count.

That said there are plenty of objectively attractive women in my generation with sub-2 digit body counts, my generation grew up when people DIED of AIDS.

Usually the faker the women in their 40’s and 50’s are the higher their mileage. I’ve been very fortunate to grab a handful of recent divorcés and a few widows before the rest of you fackers ruined them - I can ruin them fine on my own

tyvm

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

But isn't over 40s the same problem as you have ultra-thirsty younger guys also vying after them and they are cougaring to younger and more virile guys?

The women over 40 that I didn’t snag right out of the LTR oven have slept with men in their 20’s and 30’s and have said that they were inundated by more kids than age appropriate ones. Most women who’ve been in a LTR for decades is worried about her SMV and seeks validation.

The ones that justify being with kids (under 35 IMO), saying that they weren’t pumped and dumped are the ones that get caught and released.

Youngsters love to rag on mature men, especially when I have schtooped 20-something’s, but regularly pursue cougars…

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

No matter what you are saying, you are an alpha type of guy with swag and have a strong masculine frame and energy. In contrast, both me and others on here are more beta type of guys that do not have a similar frame. In your frame, baldness ADDS points, but others who have weaker frames and vibes it SUBTRACTS points.

@hamsterassasin owes Johnny Depp a debt of gratitude for making pirates schmexy, he plays it down because he doesn’t want to give his piratical, swashbuckling, scalywag game up to you shysters.ai mean anyone looking can tell he’s a seaman, have you seen his rope work? The man can probably teach us a thing or two about mainsails.

Arrrrr

 

[Hamurabimbi]

There are 40s-50s men with yachts who are having sex with 20 something women. How do you think they feel? It's possible the grief comes when the woman leaves for a fitter, younger dude.

Yachts not necessary

 

[Hamurabimbi]

You see how absurd this logic is. If you say that to a 20 year old, who attract other 20 year olds, then it advice that makes sense, as they have a higher metabolism at that age, and lose the weight without much effort or sacrifice (ie they may be propped up and have more time to go to the GYM), and in the end-game, they may attract wifey material, or a girl that doesn't have that much baggage.

If you are 40-50 year old, the same type of advice is not the same thing. The metabolism is much slower, you are probably boxed in your life as things settle up (ie your low-paying full-time job, the habits of the day doesn't lend itself to big garguantian tasks like before, etc...) and even if you were to get your body-fat down to 17%, the best you could hope for is a 40+ year old with an insane amount baggage who might notice you among the hordes of younger thirsty guys who are also after her and has an inflated perceived SMV as a result.

Again, why bother?

I’m middle aged. Got down to 19% BF. Actually. Once I got down 22% my life improved. I’m still looking to get to 15%.

 

[corrector]

I’m middle aged. Got down to 19% BF. Actually. Once I got down 22% my life improved. I’m still looking to get to 15%.

I'm basing what I'm saying on the words of SW15, not real life, to make an illustration that the logic is flawed because the parameters of his logic are too restrictive. Remember, SW15 never mentioned getting a 19 year old girlfriend. He is just talking about 40+ year old women. Based on his logic, if you can only hope to attract a 40+ year old woman, because you don't have the vast wealth and resources, etc.... after all of the looks/gymmaxxing, then what's the point?

People like you do not exist with the narrative, and it's good that you keep inserting yourself to continue to provide the counter-narrative.

Middle-aged short guys can get 20-year old girls, end of story, end of argument. There are allot of people who don't think so. I guess they must be wondering if you have a troll persona, lol!

 

[corrector]

That's why I don't judge them. Do whatever you want. But if you ask me, 'how do they feel?', I try to feel what they feel and it's a pretty empty feeling.

Maybe, maybe not, each person is wired differently and may experience different things.

 

[corrector]

That's cool, but I prefer how I feel when I'm having sex with a young woman.

Yeah, that you are not paying for, right?. (you do actually have to mention that now or people might think its an arrangment or escort as they are all one and the same notch counts).

 

[corrector]

Actually, how I feel is pleased that I don't have to pretend to be something I'm not in order to get laid. I feel happy to see how much she is enjoying what we're doing. I enjoy the desire in her eyes and how she responds to my touch.

I don't think about how she should financially compensate me for giving her la petite morte, nor the infantile notion of 'notch counts'. That's more for the people who need to boast about how many times they have put their penis in a vagina in order to rip off weak-minded men with bogus courses.

Okay, so that strongly implies that you did not pay for that unless she's really good.

 

[corrector]

No, that strongly states that I don't pay nor charge for sex. Do I need to spell it out for you like that or do you get that now?

You said in the post that you do not charge for it. What is not stated is implied by definition (refer to previous post).

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi OC16,
You Guys are as bad as any fussy Women...20+years ago my Wife decided to "Jump the fence" and join a pair of Lesbians,left with a bit of theatre,beating me up in front of the Kids,I daren't fight back...Then she tried to get me kicked out of a House I totally owned had built with my own hands...It was a complete surprise to me no option B....I seriously questioned my Manhood and I was desperate...I drank heavily and would Shvag anything that moved,woke up one Saturday Morning,in an ugly Womans Bed with a horde of kids running around me,do I despise her?..No...Would I do it again?.. yes!....Back in the day I had a mate,a swarthy Maltese,short fat and No Brad Pitt,he ended up being partnered up with a Girl who would take several Guys a night out of the Bar and after silver changed hands,do the dirty deed,back of a car in the Parking Lot,that was about '65....That guy Married her settled down with her on ten acres out of Town, had seven kids and last time I heard was still happy,theres something to think about there!

 

[zekko]

Talking about this statistic is getting annoying. This is happening in the 18-29 market. A lot of us on this forum are 30+.

The top guys are controlling a greater share of the market. It's not older men hoarding 18-29s. Most people have romantic interactions with people close to their age.

Some of the top guys are older though, in their 30s and even 40s. It's true most people date close to their age, I think the average age difference is that the male is four years older. The issue with the OP's article is that young women are at their peak value. They are desirable to men of all ages, and the top guys (whoever they may be) will seek them out. A young, attractive woman will consider options in and out of her age group, although she may keep quiet about it. Then there are the young women who fall for a solid family man type and marry young - these women are the real jewels, they aren't interested in spending their prime years on the carousel.

Younger guys are not so much in their prime, except maybe in some ways physically. They are still building their value, and maybe still building their bodies as well. I had one of my worst droughts dating-wise in my early 20s. From the way some of the young guys here talk, I don't think that was as unusual as I thought at the time. And with today's culture, I'm sure things have only gotten worse for young guys.

 

[Slowhandluke]

So therefore, most young women, are taken by older guys??

So lets break this down. 60% of all young guys are single while only 30% of young women are. Lets assume there's a population of 10 guys and 10 girls . 6 out of 10 guys will be single (conversely 4 will have a gf). 3 out of 10 girls will be single (conversely 7 will have a bf).

So to summarize, 4 out of 10 young guys will have a girlfriend; while 7 out of 10 young girls will have a boyfriend. Lets assume basically all 4 of these young guys are dating young girls (this makes logical sense anecdotally and I haven't found evidence to suggest this wouldn't generally happen otherwise).

So out of 7 young girls, 4 of them are dating within their age group. That leaves 3 girls. Who are these three girls dating? I don't have any hard evident, I feel like perhaps 1 out of 3 girls maybe dating a high value chad their own age and unknowingly sharing a guy. Perhaps there might even be 2 of the 3 girls dating the high value chad. However, I think at least 1 out of the 3 girls will be dating a much older guy.

So I feel like 1 out of every 7 girls in their twenties is dating something who is 15 years older than they are. The closer to 30 the girls are, the high the odds. This is all anecdotal but I know too many older men / younger women combination. At least, maybe it's just my bias. I'm not sure. If not 1 out of every 7, it's at least 1 out of every 14.

Obviously, most of these older men are "exceptional men". No beer gut. Decent amount of money. etc.. etc.. However, with divorces, and men not marrying. There are more older "exceptional men" out there. Remember, the age bracket with the most millionaires are IIRC 50 years old.

Yeah, it would have been nice if the survey broke down who the young women and young men were dating. I think they might have found some "inconvenient truths" Usually, when things are left out of a study, they are left out to promote an agenda... if you get my drift

 

[MatureDJ]

I find it interesting how they throw the" women want men 6 feet plus" This makes 80% of men undatable

I am 6 feet tall and fit and don't have women throwing themselves at me and how come I see men 5'6" to 5'9" with hot women all of the time?

I was thinking about this the other day, if height was as important as women say, wouldn't short men have been extinct years ago?

Short men exist because women are still breeding with short men, who produce other short men....lol

Short men exist because short women are still breeding, and the DNA recombination has a spread of outcome. IOW, the short men are genetic trash who are not meant to continue on the genome; in fact, I would bet that were a study done, the results would show a correlation between a couple having a short son as a 1st or 2nd child, and an increase in average number of total children, as the parents would think, "that's going to be bare branch of the tree". There is probably also a correlation with an early, fat daughter.

 

[MatureDJ]

Any mature woman will absolutely relationship-experience-mog me.

I don’t really think about that very much anymore to be honest. It is what it is.

I remember a pair of gals I was dating in succession (I was in my late 20s, and they were a few years younger) - pretty much my last hurrah with American women. Both of them had turned down marriage proposals from 3 different suitors. One of the chicks was very intelligent, and I think that she realized that I intelligence-mogged her exes ... but in the end I still got dumped.

 

[MatureDJ]

I've noticed that the you, the OP, @sangheilios, and @Mike32ct have similar issues with dating within the age bracket. That sounds very demotivating and depressing as you only get mainly women with loads of baggage, body-counts, that are divorced (probably multiple times in some cases) that are also very experienced/seasoned, while you are coming at them too green in comparison (ie very limited relationships or engagements in comparison to her), You are like at the lower-level of the trinagle of the hierarchy of women as a best case scenario. Why even bother at that point?

It's OVER for DemotivatedDepressedLowerTriangleCels.

 

[zekko]

So lets break this down. 60% of all young guys are single while only 30% of young women are. Lets assume there's a population of 10 guys and 10 girls . 6 out of 10 guys will be single (conversely 4 will have a gf). 3 out of 10 girls will be single (conversely 7 will have a bf).

Another problem for these younger, unattached guys - especially if you consider most of these guys probably haven't established themselves career-wise or financially: Older women may not be interested in dating them, and for that matter they may not be attracted to older women. There aren't enough girls their own age available, so their best option may be to date younger (of course, they can't date too young, there's a limit there).

I've mentioned this before, but another thing taking young women out of the market is the LGBTQ movement. If you look at the numbers, you'll find this movement especially appeals to young females. And I've lost count of the number of young women I've known who decided that they were lesbians (even though they may have changed their minds later). Even if they're "only" bisexuals, that can take them off the market for a considerable amount of time if they're having an intense affair with another woman.