Are Dating Apps really that bad right now

[Isildur1]

A lot of men are still meeting women the traditional way but come on so suave and you swear that the only Chad's and Tyrone's that are getting all the women 38,762 marriages happen a week in the USA, That's 155,048 marriages a month and 1.8 million marriages a year. So all these women by that logic are only marrying Chad's and Tyrones? of course not

But let sosuave tell it and the average guy has no chance what so ever in today's dating market

i don't think i would ever date out of my league in London on apps- daygame i always had a chance because of the opportunity of being in the right place at the right time . That being said i always felt that online game depends on the market- if youre an American in brazil or china on the apps you'd most likely slay - in New York it would be a competitive environment for most men. My brother did only online game for roughly 8 years in london (he's a multi millionaire author that resides in a wealthy part of london) and all he got were trash leftover girls or single mums. His online experiences inspired me to work harder at my daygame - i didn't wanna end up being someones sloppy last resort.

I had one lay from online game when i was in brazil - the girl even admitted "you're an average looking guy but Brazilian men are too stupid and aggressive to date - i rather date a foreigner " so that lay alone was entirely based on my status as a foreigner . Again im not bitching on apps but for the majority of men daygame should be their first port of call.

 

[Isildur1]

A lot of men are still meeting women the traditional way but come on so suave and you swear that the only Chad's and Tyrone's that are getting all the women 38,762 marriages happen a week in the USA, That's 155,048 marriages a month and 1.8 million marriages a year. So all these women by that logic are only marrying Chad's and Tyrones? of course not

But let sosuave tell it and the average guy has no chance what so ever in today's dating market

was having dinner with my aunt in the US two months ago and she said she was really glad me and my gf met face to face in this online era as most my cousins and brothers met their wives/gfs/bfs online - a comment like that made the daygame grind worth it (i know its not much but it did impact me)

 

[SW15]

A lot of men are still meeting women the traditional way but come on so suave and you swear that the only Chad's and Tyrone's that are getting all the women 38,762 marriages happen a week in the USA, That's 155,048 marriages a month and 1.8 million marriages a year. So all these women by that logic are only marrying Chad's and Tyrones? of course not

But let sosuave tell it and the average guy has no chance what so ever in today's dating market

Those marriages aren't only Chads and Tyrones. There are women who marry lesser men. Some of the times it is lesser men dumpster diving. You'll see 5-6 range males marrying 3-4 range females dumpster diving if they met online.

Some of these marriages are also lower SMV people (aging sets of people with kids from previous relationships marrying each other).

A lot of the market is dog poop level people finding each other.

Some betas will get relationships from their social circles too.

Tech-based interactions tend to favor the top tier men.

While top tier men don't need to commit due to abundance from apps, there are marriages that happen when a top tier man marries a top level female. Sometimes an app is how they met. It's possible for an 8.5 male to marry an 8-9 level female.

Some women marry for money. Look at influencer Courtney Ryan marrying dweeb with women Teddy Baldassarre after meeting on an app. She's cute range (never was hot). She's only with Teddy Baldassarre for his money and she realized earlier in life than a lot of money that she was going to be unable to secure a long term commitment out of the alpha/sigma type that she truly desired.

Geography was likely relevant for her. She went to college in small town Ohio and appears to have lived in Cleveland since then. Cleveland is a bigger city but not quite as known for attractive women as Miami, Dallas, New York, or Los Angeles.

Is Courtney Ryan a Fish Trying to Teach Men How to Catch Fish?

https://www.youtube.com/c/CourtneyRyan I can't figure out who is the target market for a woman being a men's issue specialist/leader.

www.sosuave.net

 

[Solomon]

Those marriages aren't only Chads and Tyrones. There are women who marry lesser men. Some of the times it is lesser men dumpster diving. You'll see 5-6 range males marrying 3-4 range females dumpster diving if they met online.

Some of these marriages are also lower SMV people (aging sets of people with kids from previous relationships marrying each other).

A lot of the market is dog poop level people finding each other.

Some betas will get relationships from their social circles too.

Tech-based interactions tend to favor the top tier men.

While top tier men don't need to commit due to abundance from apps, there are marriages that happen when a top tier man marries a top level female. Sometimes an app is how they met. It's possible for an 8.5 male to marry an 8-9 level female.

Some women marry for money. Look at influencer Courtney Ryan marrying dweeb with women Teddy Baldassarre after meeting on an app. She's cute range (never was hot). She's only with Teddy Baldassarre for his money and she realized earlier in life than a lot of money that she was going to be unable to secure a long term commitment out of the alpha/sigma type that she truly desired.

Geography was likely relevant for her. She went to college in small town Ohio and appears to have lived in Cleveland since then. Cleveland is a bigger city but not quite as known for attractive women as Miami, Dallas, New York, or Los Angeles.

Is Courtney Ryan a Fish Trying to Teach Men How to Catch Fish?

https://www.youtube.com/c/CourtneyRyan I can't figure out who is the target market for a woman being a men's issue specialist/leader.

www.sosuave.net

You're making my point for me.

 

[Solomon]

In my early-mid-twenties I had a bad victim mindset that I couldn't get laid consistently because of my race. Even if I saw brown men with women outside in public, I always ruled it out as an exception, or the girl was low quality deep down. The true problem was that I was an uninteresting, paranoid and bitter red pilled male that repelled women like the plague. Do factors like race, height, weight, and etc matter? Yes, to some extent, but all of these can be easily overcome by what you decide to do with yourself.

The truth is some guys wanna be perpetual victims, and I've noticed things have got worse, it just seems men have giving up. The sad part is if guys think it's hard now, a lot of them won't make it in a decade cause **** is going to get harder.
As a man going through adversity creates character and lot of men are bitches in 2024 it is what it is

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Dating apps are for guys who don't have the balls to approach women in real life. End of.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Dating apps are for guys who don't have the balls to approach women in real life. End of.

No. Dating Apps are an adjunct. Just another tool in the toolbox.

 

[Manure Spherian]

The truth is some guys wanna be perpetual victims, and I've noticed things have got worse, it just seems men have giving up. The sad part is if guys think it's hard now, a lot of them won't make it in a decade cause **** is going to get harder.
As a man going through adversity creates character and lot of men are bitches in 2024 it is what it is

What if such men are not getting IOI’s?

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

No. Dating Apps are an adjunct. Just another tool in the toolbox.

Absolutely not. Dating apps are for masses of generic, beta guys who don't have the balls to cold approach women face to face. They're nothing but a crutch that 99.99% of guys use because they don't want to develop the confidence or skill to successfully approach women face to face.

Real men should not use dating apps. Guys on SoSuave should not be using dating apps. We're supposed to be here to become better than the masses of ordinary, unremarkable men....and that means developing the skill to approach women in real life . By using dating apps, there's nothing to make you stand out from other men, which defeats the object of being on this site.

Real game and real seduction can ONLY be learned and done face to face, not on dating apps.

I'm disappointed in the number of guys on these forums who are relying on dating apps. You're not any kind of seducer or Don Juan unless you have learned to successfully get women from real life cold approach. Don't be thinking you are some sort of Casanova who has game if the only way you can meet women is through dating apps....you absolutely are not!

So I challenge everyone here to ditch the dating apps for good and get out there and approach women in the real world.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Absolutely not. Dating apps are for masses of generic, beta guys who don't have the balls to cold approach women face to face. They're nothing but a crutch that 99.99% of guys use because they don't want to develop the confidence or skill to successfully approach women face to face.

Real men should not use dating apps. Guys on SoSuave should not be using dating apps. We're supposed to be here to become better than the masses of ordinary, unremarkable men....and that means developing the skill to approach women in real life . By using dating apps, there's nothing to make you stand out from other men, which defeats the object of being on this site.

Real game and real seduction can ONLY be learned and done face to face, not on dating apps.

I'm disappointed in the number of guys on these forums who are relying on dating apps. You're not any kind of seducer or Don Juan unless you have learned to successfully get women from real life cold approach. Don't be thinking you are some sort of Casanova who has game if the only way you can meet women is through dating apps....you absolutely are not!

So I challenge everyone here to ditch the dating apps for good and get out there and approach women in the real world.

Tinder was amazing. If I had never tried it, I would have missed out on a fantastic part of my life. But. I never relied on Tinder alone. I still worked it IRL too.

 

[Gamisch]

Both post above mine hold some truth to them.

The problem with the apps is that AGAIN big corporations took one of the most fundamental things and managed to financially milk us dry. Like housing, entertainment, cars, ofcourse healthcare and this one; dating. The time when OLD was somewhat good was a mere trail. And I also remember how every man and his brother could get a decent date. But that is like ten years ago already and counting.

Having said that , I do agree that OLD actually made men even more lazy and chickens than they already were. I remember growing up seeing that EVERY man had some game. A man who didn't had some game was immediately looked at as let's just say "strange". Now most men have no game at all.

Let's be real: the effects of OLD are simply devastating. It does something with the (male) brain where we calculate risks and it SEEMS like the most risk-free option while it's NOT. Crazy how that works.

So yeah, I agree that we definitely need to go back to stigmatizing OLD because the facts don't lie. Most men will be better off forgetting about it or even better; remembering how humiliating it is and how it's almost similar to paying a woman's rent while staying in the friendzone. A situation where you pay for something that is REALLY important to you( love sex or whatever) while you get ZERO in return. It will leave you drained and empty and not in the way you'd like ...

I bet in time countries will ban OLD by law. It just flies under the radar for now.

 

[Gamisch]

What if such men are not getting IOI’s?

Then they gotta work on it . I can post pictures from male models from all races and let me tell you one thing: NONE of them will have a dad bod. All of them will be somewhat ripped and lean and well dressed and yes even bald men. And we ALL will say "no homo but I can tell that dude will definitely get some ioi left and right".

A woman with a cute face and a cola bottle figure will get ioi, even if she is the craziest, meanest bytch on earth. Ioi is simply a triggered reaction, one that is uncontrollable. Like seeing a fly car passing by unexpectedly.

These are quite generic themes actually. Most men are so beat-up by their own insecurities that they wouldn't recognize IOI if it stands 10 centimeters away from them. It falls into the category of self sabotage if you ask me.

 

[Solomon]

What if such men are not getting IOI’s?

Is this a serious question or trolling?
If it's serious you may want to read "The Book of Pook" if it's trolling I give it 2/10

 

[dieterdetlef1337]

Im an average looking guy, but got really good pictures. Last month i got to around 50 matches on bumble and around 70 on hinge. But in the end i could only actually get 3 girls on a date. But nevertheless i got to around 50 first dates in one year, only from online dating.
But what i noticed, that i think in the last 2 years the profiles of men really improved. I have a lot of female friends and last time they showed me their hinge, the average guy profile was actually pretty good.

 

[Solomon]

Dating apps are for guys who don't have the balls to approach women in real life. End of.

No. Dating Apps are an adjunct. Just another tool in the toolbox.

^^Two things can be true, I've always used dating apps to supplement Dating In real life i.e. approaching women during nightlife, social circle, fashion show and other special events etc. This year it was mostly OLD because I was/am focused on work

However I know a guy who was above average in looks and was cleaning up in OLD until his mid 30s the guy was scared to approach in person cause had severe AA. I always felt the guy could have done better with the quality of women in person if he approached but he was to scared to do so. Needless to say his experincve with women was warped because he only dealt with botto of the barrell low quality women he met of apps.

Both things can be true but the guy who will have better results is the guy doing the Haurabimbi method ha ha

 

[Hamurabimbi]

^^Two things can be true, I've always used dating apps to supplement Dating In real life i.e. approaching women during nightlife, social circle, fashion show and other special events etc. This year it was mostly OLD because I was/am focused on work

However I know a guy who was above average in looks and was cleaning up in OLD until his mid 30s the guy was scared to approach in person cause had severe AA. I always felt the guy could have done better with the quality of women in person if he approached but he was to scared to do so. Needless to say his experincve with women was warped because he only dealt with botto of the barrell low quality women he met of apps.

Both things can be true but the guy who will have better results is the guy doing the Haurabimbi method ha ha

The thing about swipe apps is they are really geared towards looks. So. If one does well on swipe apps, one probably does well IRL too. A good looking shy guy will still do fine IRL, as girls will approach or make it easy for them.

 

[Solomon]

The thing about swipe apps is they are really geared towards looks. So. If one does well on swipe apps, one probably does well IRL too. A good looking shy guy will still do fine IRL, as girls will approach or make it easy for them.

This in general is true, and I don't disagree with that, as I have had wingman who were approached by women all the time inlcuding women buying them drinks etc. However talking about this one buddy he didn't go to bars/clubs(even in his 20s) etc he lway had severe AA. He was/is a good looking fella but 100% of the women he met was via OLD, and over the years you can tell how he was turning into a cynic with women and even dropping his standards to continue to get laid.

OLD IMO is a cesspoll it's fun but that stench is hard to get off, but I gues sit's all relative to your location I found OLD to be easier in places like Chicago and New York

 

[Hamurabimbi]

OLD is a contentious issue on this site.

 

[SW15]

OLD IMO is a cesspoll it's fun but that stench is hard to get off, but I gues sit's all relative to your location I found OLD to be easier in places like Chicago and New York

OLD is a contentious issue on this site.

Using tech methods for starting dating interactions is a contentious issue in general right now.

There's a bit of an ongoing backlash against the swipe apps. There's a reason that the stock prices for the Match Group (owners of Tinder, Hinge, Match, and others) and Bumble are in the toilet right now. A lot of people have had negative experiences on the swipe apps. The majority of men are ignored and get few matches. Many of these men also have issues with having "one date, no sex, no second date" type experiences with their app matches. This is a result that is partially due to the abundance that women have on swipe apps. Many women are having bad experiences on swipe apps. Women are enjoying the attention that they get, but they are not enjoying the emotional consequences of riding the penis carousel. Having sex with top tier men but failing to get longer term commitments from the men they are having sex with is having an effect on them.

Online dating in the era of dating websites wasn't that good either. Many of the same problems that have happened in the swipe app era were happening on dating websites in the late 2000s/early 2010s. It was just happening on a smaller scale during that time.

This backlash can only go so far though. Most men are not going to be able to become devoted in-person approachers. Approaching a lot of strangers in person takes a toll on a man, whether it is done in nightlife venues or non-bar venues. The whole in-person approaching environment has declined in recent years. In the 1970s-2000s, far more in-person approaching was done in nightlife venues as compared to non-bar approaches. Nightlife scenes in most cities have declined since swipe apps evolved from dating websites. There is less of a culture of nightlife approaching now as compared to the time when Mystery and Strauss were spending a lot of time in nightlife venues in the early 2000s. Non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity within pickup.

There are still a lot of blue pill beta males out there who are thirsty, desperate, and unable to do a large volume of in-person approaches in order to get laid. They'll still be using swipe apps. They'll be simping on OnlyFans and blowing up the DMs on various social media platforms.

Dating apps are for masses of generic, beta guys who don't have the balls to cold approach women face to face. They're nothing but a crutch that 99.99% of guys use because they don't want to develop the confidence or skill to successfully approach women face to face.

Real men should not use dating apps. Guys on SoSuave should not be using dating apps. We're supposed to be here to become better than the masses of ordinary, unremarkable men....and that means developing the skill to approach women in real life . By using dating apps, there's nothing to make you stand out from other men, which defeats the object of being on this site.

Real game and real seduction can ONLY be learned and done face to face, not on dating apps.

Don't be thinking you are some sort of Casanova who has game if the only way you can meet women is through dating apps....you absolutely are not!

I am glad that I ditched dating apps.

I started studying seduction while in college in the 2001-2005 era. In that era, in-person approaching was still more common, though dating websites were starting to come up. Around the early 2000s, there was a lot of debate about whether or not online dating was de-stigmatized. I stopped hearing about that topic around 2005, so that's when I consider that online dating became mainstream.

Match.com launched all the way back in 1995.