"American women are the devil"

[Solomon]

I don't see anything changing in the short-term. The sociocultural stuff is bigger than SS and even political parties. As you said, all you can really do is be smart enough to select good women, and have the personal qualities to actually keep them. But -- keep in mind if you can do that well, you are no longer in the middle % of your society, your opinion may not actually count.

I'm not taking a position here, especially as I don't spend much time in the States. I just figured I'd give you more to argue against... I agree that the "American women = devil" brigade's argument is awfully weak.

Mate I see you are objective about this, and I respect it. It's good to know that there guys who can look at both sides on this site and don't jump on the sosuave "group think" mentality that's so prevalent here

You're right.

A lot of these guys sound like puppies that got kicked too much. Women don't like them, so they blame the country instead of blaming themselves. Get more muscle. Be more ambitious. Travel more. Talk to more people. Noooo, just blame someone else. It couldn't be you, right?

American women have tons of issues, this is true. But so do men. And really, everyone in every country has issues. Problem is, whining about it isn't going to make you any more attractive.

The happy, successful, fulfilled people I know aren't whiners. They're doers. Whining about American women on the internet is the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum as a 4-year old child.

Do these women suck? Probably. But some of you guys suck even more, and refuse to admit that to yourself.

*rep*

Spot on mate, when I log off and talk to real "Alphas" (sarcasm)they don't talk about half the crap that guys talk about on this site. These guys are doers, and have no problem finding decent(quality, good whatever you wanna call them) women and if I were to talk about some stuff with them that I do on here they would think I'm crazy. I've noticed only "community" guys have that mentality and their not as successful as the "average" guys I know yet they know game and all that, isn't that ironic?

 

[Jaylan]

I'm with you 100% on trying to help guys reflect on themselves HOWEVER it serves a self defeating purpose when you're simultaneously trying to indoctrinate them into pseudo-enlightened feminist thinking.

Explain to me how wanting a girl on my level in feminist. Gimme a break dude.

Deny it all you want but this is exactly what you're doing. Quit trying to define what absolutely makes a man (no offense but your OPINION sucks) and let these guys find it in themselves.

Isnt that what we all do here? We all try to define what a man is. Your opinion sucks too i guess bro. I dont live in the past. I dont desire to tell anyone, but my future children, what to do. A romantic partnership IS A PARTNERSHIP.

This whole thing started after one of the foreign wife dudes in here talked about being able to boss his wife around. I dont need to do that because of this right here in the next quotes.

Me in Bold.

Maybe it is a generational thing (since I'm 24 like Jaylan), but I can't imagine taking the leadership/control/etc. role that men like to preach here and extending it to allowing/disallowing who my wife is friends with.

Agree.

Yeah, being so insecure that you try and control who your wife/gf associates with is just unhealthy imo. And deny it all you want, but controlling who someone is friends with comes from insecurity.

If your wife is a good woman who loves you and respects you, she will not maintain/create friendships that are disrespectful and therefore harmful to the relationship that keeps her and her man happy. She will do this without you having to tell her.

So freaking true. Props. I do the same. If I am with a girl I love, I dont go around making friends with people who may be a detriment to the relationship. And I def dont hang out alone with women unless I know for sure theres no attraction and we were friends before I met my girl.

Not because I dont trust myself not to cheat, but because I wouldnt wanna make my girl worry or feel I am disrespecting her. Plus why would I need to spend a lot of time around chick friends I met after my gf or wife. Unless they were good friends before hand, it looks extra sketchy.

If the relationship starts going south, is unfulfilling from the beginning or the woman is just plain "bad" (or "evil" ), then that's when she starts becoming friends with the feminazis and/or George Clooney-look-alikes!

lolz xD

Me in bold.

You're right.

A lot of these guys sound like puppies that got kicked too much. Women don't like them, so they blame the country instead of blaming themselves. Get more muscle. Be more ambitious. Travel more. Talk to more people. Noooo, just blame someone else. It couldn't be you, right?

American women have tons of issues, this is true. But so do men. And really, everyone in every country has issues. Problem is, whining about it isn't going to make you any more attractive.

The happy, successful, fulfilled people I know aren't whiners. They're doers. Whining about American women on the internet is the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum as a 4-year old child.

Do these women suck? Probably. But some of you guys suck even more, and refuse to admit that to yourself.

You are very right here dude. Its all about reflection. Women can suck, but we can suck too.

And your puppy comment made me LOL mad hard xD.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I'm simply blown away by the amount of ignorance, arrogance and sheer stupidity of Americans on this forum.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

I'm simply blown away by the amount of stupidity on this forum.

Sorry, bro. I don't suck at dating American women. So I don't need to move to another continent to get my d**k wet.

What do you want me to say? Some American women suck. Here's my simple solution - don't date them. If the only broads you can pull are b*tchy, fat, gold diggers, then that's your fault. My friends at home and I don't have these issues.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Lee, if you are reading this, you are right... in fact even Winston is right to a degree...

I concede.

Sorry for the trouble I caused.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Sorry, bro. I don't suck at dating American women. So I don't need to move to another continent to get my d**k wet.

lol, you are beyond help. Good luck with that...... BRO!

Go spin some plates! lol, I'm done here.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Post 60...

Anyone reading this: ****y/Funny works really well and I can't recommend it enough. While you guys have a legitimate gripe with PUAs in general, DD's *****y/Funny* system is pretty solid and IMO should be exempt from PUA hate. I've been using it for 8 years, really enjoyed my time and it has brought me more than just women.

Thanks 'David D', you gave me a better life.

Live Free.

 

[vatoloco]

So freaking true. Props. I do the same. If I am with a girl I love, I dont go around making friends with people who may be a detriment to the relationship. And I def dont hang out alone with women unless I know for sure theres no attraction and we were friends before I met my girl.

Now, don't get me wrong. She has to intuitively know that if she were to make friends detrimental to the relationship, you'd walk, no questions asked. But for her to behave like this: 1) she has to be a good woman, [preferably] untainted by the system (or at the very least, minimally exposed or detoxed) and 2) you need to have laid the groundwork at the beginning of the relationship for her to indirectly know this.

I'm kinda tired today so more than likely I'll type up a post on this on my observation/experience log in the next few days...

Not because I dont trust myself not to cheat, but because I wouldnt wanna make my girl worry or feel I am disrespecting her.

As long this is the reason, that's fine.

Plus why would I need to spend a lot of time around chick friends I met after my gf or wife. Unless they were good friends before hand, it looks extra sketchy.

You should always be in the presence and be friendly with all kinds of people (but especially pretty girls).

As much as they bitch and complain, deep down, women want to know that their man is wanted by other women and that they're the ones who have exclusive access to him. Nothing makes their 'ginas tingle more than knowing that their man could fuck any woman he'd like but he doesn't because his dick is exclusive to her.

Why? Because he loves her!

Yes, I know. Women. They're nuts!

 

[Solomon]

Lee, if you are reading this, you are right... in fact even Winston is right to a degree...

I concede.

Sorry for the trouble I caused.

Winston Wu na na? ROFL the sucker who got played by the Russian girl for $400 shoes?

Yeah the guy thought he could go to Russia IT BE ALL good, the guy is still a simp he may have got ass in Russia but he even admitted the only reason Katya slept with him was cause she thought she would get the "green card" the guy shows that game is important, because his simp ass still got plaayeeeeeed


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1lxOL3jI-8

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=179557
^^more vids and epic fails for Winston aka Wu Na-na

 

[LiveFreeX]

LOL solomon... the guy is a nut job and a bad father for sure, we all agree... funny video!!

BUT

He and his users have a solid point. Game is not necessary abroad, Life for American men is awful and American women = Devil.

(Most are ex PUAs along with the MGTOW forums)

long b4 your time and mine.

There is a wealth of good info on his site and many other MGTOW forums about GTHO, its too bad people don't put them to good use. Well anyway, I don't really care... if American men want American women so bad, they can have them. I had a falling out with a good friend over PUAs going abroad, however, I was wrong, most PUAs are too stupid to realize what the hell is going on around them. They think the extent of the situation lies in a woman's snatch and a guys ability to get it... it is so much greater than that.

Figure it out for yourselves, or don't... it doesn't matter to me anymore.

 

[Jaylan]

lol, you are beyond help. Good luck with that...... BRO!

Go spin some plates! lol, I'm done here.

Lol, he mad guys xD

As quoted from Solomon in http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1754867#post1754867

Or you could do what others in this site have done and that is step your game up by

• Working out (Pook, Colossus)
• Learning theory (rollo, Squirrels)
• Hit the field, applying the theory (Fingz, Snowplow, myself)
• Become a man of wealth (st8up, Guru1000, backbreaker)
• Get a new hobby(jon24, jophill salsa dancing)
• Become a man of interest(damn near advocated by the whole site)

Or you can whine about how American women suck, and talk about how women abroad are better, because someone else told you too, not because you been abroad, and if American women do suck, what does that say about your game? yup it sucks, stop whining step it up, trust me do this and you won't whine cause you will have the top of the crop

peace

p.s. and last time i checked spending $400 on a ho isn't game, its being as beta (simpish) as they come, you guys might look at this Winston character as a messiah but he is a fraud who is a known trick

http://www.winston-wu.com/

Realk Talk

 

[Sue Madre]

Lol, he mad guys xD

As quoted from Solomon in http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1754867#post1754867



Realk Talk

Have you ever even dated a foreign girl?

If not, your opinion is meaningless.

 

[synergy1]

i have been lamenting on my own time about the overall low quality of American women at times lately. most of my experiences have been wrought with flaking and entitled attitudes which I attribute to the women. However at the end of the day, they are dating *someone* and that someone isn't me. Rather than blame them, I continue to look inward and see ways to improve or change in order to have success. Real change can always happen, and there are quality american women to be had. Even if they are harder to find, but if you want something, go out and ****ing get it instead of crying like a baby about how much better it is in _____. News flash, eastern european women are cute, but those countries are still torn to **** from the ruthless dictators from not so long ago. Things aren't perfect anywhere..

Solomon said this on page 3 and its true. Women follow mens lead. Hate to say it, but its true. That said, men lead by example when they basically plead with low quality women and give them all the power. I see these examples, and one can fault the low quality women AND the guy going after the low quality women. Its an enabling behavior. If men didn't settle for crap, women wouldn't be crap to begin with.

The ultimate irony is this: our message on this web site is not to put women on the pedestal, yet this thread ( in some regards) advocates picking up your entire life to go elsewhere and find better women. If I were to go elsewhere, it would be for a hell of a lot more than better looking women.

 

[Jaylan]

Have you ever even dated a foreign girl?

If not, your opinion is meaningless.

As if I care for the opinion of those so filled with insecurity that they become controlling spouses

 

[Sue Madre]

As if I care for the opinion of those so filled with insecurity that they always need to be the big bossman

That's right. Now go get me some coffee.

 

[sstype]

Solomon said this on page 3 and its true. Women follow mens lead. Hate to say it, but its true. That said, men lead by example when they basically plead with low quality women and give them all the power. I see these examples, and one can fault the low quality women AND the guy going after the low quality women. Its an enabling behavior. If men didn't settle for crap, women wouldn't be crap to begin with.

x2


My girlfriend even comments how guy acquaintances she knows gossip more, backstab more, and cling more than her female friends do. All of her friends, who aren't even that great looking or have amazing personalities have guys desperate to get with them. Men are now the new women.....


I can stress enough how much better women would behave if men weren't so goddamn desperate for a piece of strange.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Up your game, improve your life...

that's all I hear from you guys.

To what end?

In the end you are still with a woman capable of causing extreme amounts of tragedy in your life. So what if you can pick up an hb10? That same super hot girl can still tear you a new one at the drop of a hat... no matter how much 'game' you spit. The idea isn't that ALL women in America are gold-digging hos but that AMERICA itself allows these women to become this. You shouldn't be afraid of American women, no... you should be afraid of pissing off AMERICAN women because it only takes one to land you in jail on false accusations or take half of your stuff... I've been there, my friends have been there, we've experienced it first hand, NORTH America is feminist controlled. Speak your mind? Misogyny. Stand up for men? Misogyny. Treat women the way they really get off on being treated? Machismo... Speak out about anything PUA related? Manipulation and possible sexual harassment... it goes on and on. If you have been lucky enough to dodge these bullets so far, you're just that: lucky.

Its a no win situation. You can spin all the plates in the world but when one gets pregnant... GAME OVER. Married or not, your life will become a living nightmare.

The advantage of going abroad and marrying abroad? They can't have the court system tear you to shreds, they can't assassinate your character, they can't **** with you. Unfortunately, you have to move to the country... your right, you can't bring one back to North America... I've tried twice and both times they were Westernized in a short time.... Maybe you can keep her there like many do with women in the php.

The reasons to travel abroad are numerous from having a better life to actually being able to be a man and not have the law breathing down your neck. This is NOT simply about getting laid. Its about building a life where you will be respected as a father figure, an intelligent person and a MALE. I am of the belief that the system is too far gone and the actions of one or two PUAs is not going to change the whole. The media, government, law, education system...all stacked against you. I have studied martial arts for many years and the one thing that I have learned is that the best way to WIN in a fight, is to walk away... that other person WILL get it in the end, but why fcck up your life in the process?

Jaylan: Yes I'm mad, and its because of people like yourself.... but I'M mad AT myself.. I had a falling out with a good friend for sticking up for PUAs, my time here was to prove that you guys weren't idiots... but many of you have proved me wrong. You are defending a system that is heavily weighted against you... I can't understand this....

Anyway forum posting becomes very addictive and I've spent too much time here responding to the same thing. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by staying here and re-iterating the same message over and over. I have wanted to help people escape since the day I figured it out for myself, I should go find others who actually want the help.

 

[Solomon]

Up your game, improve your life...

that's all I hear from you guys.

To what end?

In the end you are still with a woman capable of causing extreme amounts of tragedy in your life. So what if you can pick up an hb10? That same super hot girl can still tear you a new one at the drop of a hat... no matter how much 'game' you spit. The idea isn't that ALL women in America are gold-digging hos but that AMERICA itself allows these women to become this. You shouldn't be afraid of American women, no... you should be afraid of pissing off AMERICAN women because it only takes one to land you in jail on false accusations or take half of your stuff... I've been there, my friends have been there, we've experienced it first hand, NORTH America is feminist controlled. Speak your mind? Misogyny. Stand up for men? Misogyny. Treat women the way they really get off on being treated? Machismo... Speak out about anything PUA related? Manipulation and possible sexual harassment... it goes on and on. If you have been lucky enough to dodge these bullets so far, you're just that... lucky.

Its a no win situation. You can spin all the plates in the world but when one gets pregnant... GAME OVER.

The advantage of going abroad and marrying abroad? They can't have the court system tear you to shreds, they can't assassinate your character, they can't **** with you. Unfortunately, you have to move to the country... your right, you can't bring one back to North America... I've tried twice and both times they were Westernized in a short time....

The reasons to travel abroad are numerous from having a better life to actually being able to be a man and not have the law breathing down your neck.

Jaylan: Yes I'm mad, and its because of people like yourself.... but IM mad AT myself.. I had a falling out with a good friend for sticking up for PUAs, my time here was to prove that you guys weren't idiots... but many of you have proved me wrong. You are defending a system that is heavily weighted against you... I can't understand this....

Anyway forum posting becomes very addictive and I've spent too much time here responding to the same-thing. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by staying here and re-iterating the same message over and over. I have wanted to help people escape since the day I figured it out for myself, I should go find others who actually want the help.

You know I may not agree with ya but I like ya for sticking with ya stance and LoL @ this post, I chuckled at some stuff you said

Once again whats the point then of learning game?

Live you saw your buddy Winston he got ran for over $500 (probably more) you say you don't need game "overseas" but even Winston admitted to getting suckered, and guess what the chick wasn't even a "10". Your right It could happen in America as well but how dumb do you have to be to get played by a foreign chick?

Without Game your still assless

So yeah in Thailand you got tons of chicks coming to your hut I mean house to bone, but how many of them really like you or looking at you as a white knight to save them from their plight?

 

[crazyboy]

Well the problem most men are just b!tch made. You sit there and try to talk to women as if there men and fail horribly. Women give you almost every oppertunity take the lead. From simiple as she talking you ,she bring phone out so you can ask get her number. Its not a foreign or american thing. Some you guys may have to accept that your not going pull a megan fox type woman. You either not good looking enough or you don't have the status. American when are not the devil, i'm not against any man that has preference in any woman he chooses. But you got get real the only reason foreign would be easy for american man is because simiply we have the status. point blank period its not your game, your ability to seduce, its your money. Its like dudes saying i like asain girls because there submissive and don't talk back and know there place. I mean really are such a b!tch of a man that you can't do that any woman you choose. woman follow is what they do. If your not man to take control then you have the normal bs problem that we see everyday on this broad and getting freaking depressing.

 

[synergy1]

Up your game, improve your life...

that's all I hear from you guys.


because it works. My life has already been an example of that. Follow up from my last post; since enacting a few key changes, I have managed to successfully close on one of the girls I was going after from before. Shes pretty high quality to boot.

So there you have it, a real life ( not theoretical) example of how changing ones approach to things can work.

but why should it end there. To what end should it serve? To this i post another question ; why should there be an 'end'? Wouldn't that just create a mindset to formulate shortcuts? To me, the entire process in and of itself is rewarding. Lets take more real life examples. I like to work out. Working out means I am better at my hobbies. It means women like me more. It means I am healthier and can think clearer. With that, simply improving has been a multifaceted way to simply excel in more areas than one.

Complacency is why broke losers stay broke. Complacency isn't just 'good enough', its scorn for people who succeed even marginally. I am not talking about millionaires, but successful people who put in good efforts on a day to day basis. Losers hate them just as vehemently. This is why people love seeing others fail. I see the loser mentality in you. You'd rather run away and put yourself on a moral high ground rather than get down to the nitty gritty and do something about it. Here is a news flash for you, you aren't better because you want to run away to hotter women , your still the same old you that failed.

As for you "LivefreeX', I see a confused, ignorant kid behind the keyboard. you look at the ****ty side of everything and have a 'know it all attitude' towards anyone with a slight conflicting opinion differing from yours. You are incapable of intelligent discourse, and unwilling to listen to others. Your message isn't 'heard' becasue your message is crap.