Abundance is the most important factor

[GoodMan32]

I never said don’t make a move. Sexual guys get the women.

Even though I'm reluctant to make an official move, I'm known to drop hints.

For example, I've dropped multiple hints to my next door neighbor that I'm into older broads (she's 19 years older than me)

 

[Clockwerk50]

Even though I'm reluctant to make an official move, I'm known to drop hints.

For example, I've dropped multiple hints to my next door neighbor that I'm into older broads (she's 19 years older than me)

So you don’t make moves…

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

How do you think they acquired those options? By disliking women and believing no woman is special like a previous poster stated?

Hardly.

It's the opposite of what you posted, it's because they DO know what they are talking about and doing!

It has very little to do with not believing that any woman is special. That sounds bitter and jaded which women can sense and it's not attractive.

It's about internal confidence, knowing your value and what you have to offer. And not being too attached to the outcome which gives you an air of mystery and independence which are attractive especially in early stages.

It's knowing when one doesn't work out, there is another just around the corner even if she's not there just yet.

It's having the confidence knowing she will be. And probably very soon! That is having an abundance mindset.

@Divorced w 3 explained it well, his posts about this are spot on in my opinion and you'd be wise to listen to him and others who believe as he does.

I may be misunderstanding your point because we probably need to clarify what the word "special" means in this context. This whole notion is about avoiding pedestalizing and idealizing women too much, which only serves to increase male thirst, attachment, and desperation, and literally no one disagrees that's a bad place to be as a man. Women do not like men who need them; that's why they chase after men who are running harems and hope for commitment from them even though they know deep down they'll never get it.

By definition, having options means you don't value any particular thing too much (ie, thinking it's special). As I said in an analogy, if you are consistently doing job interviews and juggling multiple job offers (ie, options) the leverage it provides means you won't value any one job and will no longer view it as special by default (that is, until you recognize the one that is actually special). When I say they're not special I don't mean they're not valuable or wonderful companions to have, nor am I saying women are terrible etc, I'm saying that in order to cultivate abundance you need to simply recognize that ultimately your own happiness is on you; women are complementary force multipliers, not a source of your happiness. In this context, a truly "special" women is the one we know is right for us, but we won't ever be able to see that until we stop overvaluing them and pick them among a sea of other potential candidates.

 

[Lotus Effect]

I would say it is entertaining seeing you guys arguing with each other…

But it is not.

This forum used to be a respectable place of discussion and knowledge.

The last few posts shows how degraded it has become.

a sad day in the life!

 

[corrector]

I would say it is entertaining seeing you guys arguing with each other…

But it is not.

This forum used to be a respectable place of discussion and knowledge.

The last few posts shows how degraded it has become.

a sad day in the life!

You said it is entertaining.which means you like it.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I would say it is entertaining seeing you guys arguing with each other…

But it is not.

This forum used to be a respectable place of discussion and knowledge.

The last few posts shows how degraded it has become.

a sad day in the life!

If you think this is bad you should have seen how toxic PUA forms like RSDnation were in the 00s and 10s, it was beyond laughable. Sadly the PUA/theorycrafting mindsets won't go away for a long time. I'm not sure why the MGTOW and black pilled mindsets are continuing to gain traction though, blame nihilism.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

So I’ve been on this forum for some time and I remember when I used to open threads about some girl I was talking to and she didn’t respond the way I wanted.
then you get advice and most of it is really useful and you realize what you did wrong and what you could do better.
I mean that’s nice but now that I have more choice than before I realize that individual girls don’t matter at all. Even if they act flaky or whatever I don’t care. There are other women I can talk to. Sure there are some you prefer but to be honest if these girls don’t want you, it’s not worth wasting your time with them.
if you have other women you’re talking to it won’t matter. A individual girl won’t matter and you can only really understand what I mean if you are not needy and have other options.

Abundance happens when women desire you. It is a sign that you are attractive. Abundance cannot be created. It just happens. If you have abundance it just is.

 

[corrector]

Abundance happens when women desire you. It is a sign that you are attractive. Abundance cannot be created. It just happens. If you have abundance it just is.

And as long as attractive guys dont lord it down those who are not attractive with what amounts to a "chadsplain echo chamber" thread then we are all good, lol.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Abundance happens when women desire you. It is a sign that you are attractive. Abundance cannot be created. It just happens. If you have abundance it just is.

Then why do athletes and celebrities like Will Smith or Tiger Woods get onetis for toxic women? There are literally millions of women who would marry them in a heartbeat and yet they get attached and ruined by women who run circles around them. As much as I want the simplest explaination to be the best...I think there's more to it being desired alone.

But yes...being desired is sort of a prequisite to abundance, because otherwise it's a bit delusional and cope to pretend you're hot shvt when you're not. Fake it till you make it (as a permanent mindset) is cope if it's your only strategy indefinitely. Confidence has to come from actual competence or experience at some point. But as I alluded to I don't think desire from women is all that's required to have confidence and outcome indifference...unless there is an obvious explaination how athletes/celebs can make this mistake despite being the most sought after men in the world.

 

[tksniper]

If you actually have options, you would reject women for looking at you the wrong way. You have the imprint of high interest from hot women in your sub consciousness and your mind has internalized the proper principles and mindset of a man with abundance.

When I walk down the street and see a woman give me a confusing look, I’m already mentally rejecting her. If she gives me a bad vibe -rejection. If I sense she is seeking my attention for validation -rejection.

Your behavior is solely based on how much abundance you have. You put up with crap behavior or low interest because you have no options.

Abundance is not a mindset. Abundance comes from being highly effective with women. And being highly effective comes from having high value. And having high value comes from daily habits that increases your value.

Abundance is a product of action. It’s not some pseudo mind trick to make women suddenly attracted to you.

Those who put in the work - those who go to the gym, work on their attitude and inner game, work on their finances, they dont have to talk about abundance as some mental thing. If anything, they don’t THINK at all about women. They are completely out of their heads and react naturally as a high value man.

Those who don’t have value mentally masturbate. Those who have value don’t think at all about women or abundance or whatever philosophy the mental masturbators think is the next en vogue mentality needed to succeed with women.

Instead of talking about abundance as some pseudo mindset, we need to talk about habits that makes a man high value.

 

[Clockwerk50]

And as long as attractive guys dont lord it down those who are not attractive with what amounts to a "chadsplain echo chamber" thread then we are all good, lol.

I get your point, but the difference in how people handle their lives is evident in their decisions and actions over time. Rational individuals tend to finish projects, achieve their goals, work well with others, and create lasting contributions. In contrast, those who are more irrational often fall into negative patterns—repeating mistakes, experiencing unnecessary conflicts, and leaving dreams and projects unrealized.

They may express anger and desires for change without translating those into concrete action. While everyone can make irrational choices, and circumstances can play a role, it’s important to assess someone's behavior over time to determine if they’re truly rational or not.

I will let you conclude if incels, or the “unattractive people” you mention, are irrational or not.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

If you actually have options, you would reject women for looking at you the wrong way. You have the imprint of high interest from hot women in your sub consciousness and your mind has internalized the proper principles and mindset of a man with abundance.

When I walk down the street and see a woman give me a confusing look, I’m already mentally rejecting her. If she gives me a bad vibe -rejection. If I sense she is seeking my attention for validation -rejection.

Your behavior is solely based on how much abundance you have. You put up with crap behavior or low interest because you have no options.

Abundance is not a mindset. Abundance comes from being highly effective with women. And being highly effective comes from having high value. And having high value comes from daily habits that increases your value.

Abundance is a product of action. It’s not some pseudo mind trick to make women suddenly attracted to you.

Those who put in the work - those who go to the gym, work on their attitude and inner game, work on their finances, they dont have to talk about abundance as some mental thing. If anything, they don’t THINK at all about women. They are completely out of their heads and react naturally as a high value man.

Those who don’t have value mentally masturbate. Those who have value don’t think at all about women or abundance or whatever philosophy the mental masturbators think is the next en vogue mentality needed to succeed with women.

Instead of talking about abundance as some pseudo mindset, we need to talk about habits that makes a man high value.

See my above post.... Will Smith has options beyond what any man in history could dream of. So if the mindset part is moot, why doesn't he have abundance, why did he develop onetis?

I agree 100% of you said (sans the comment at "philosophizing" this, oh the horror!)...but there are more moving parts to this. Theres a lot of psychology here people think can just be written off.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Will Smith has options beyond what any man in history could dream of

Only if every man in history started his career as a gay Black dude in 90s Hollywood, who's now trapped in a marriage that exists just for the sake of maintaining his image

 

[Sega Genesis]

Abundance is not a mindset.

Abundance is a product of action.

I think it's actually both.

I don't see how you can achieve actual abundance (having multiple options) without first having an abundance "mindset" that you're high value, know your worth and what you have to offer. And walking away from any woman or anyone who doesn't see it or appreciate it.

Thus, enabling you to then turn that mindset into a product of your action and acquiring those options.

As stated an abundant mindset is confidence, knowing your value which is a mindset not an action or a product of action.

It applies to all walks of life, not just with women.

For example when interviewing for a job, when I know with certainty that if I don't get an offer from that company, I Will get an offer or offers (plural) from other companies, my mindset on that interview is more relaxed, I'm not desperate, I am not attached to that particular outcome.

Which 9 x out of 10 will result in my actually receiving that offer because of that confidence and knowing my value.

That's having an abundance mindset which IS a real thing not some pseudo pop psychology.

I am speaking from experience which you are as well and think we may even be on the same wavelength but expressing it in different ways, possibly.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I think it's actually both.

I don't see how you can achieve actual abundance (having multiple options) without first having an abundance "mindset" that you're high value, know your worth and what you have to offer. And walking away from any woman or anyone who doesn't see it or appreciate it.

Thus, enabling you to then turn that mindset into action and acquire those options.

As stated an abundant mindset is confidence, knowing your value which is a mindset not an action or a product of action.

It applies to all walks of life, not just with women.

For example when interviewing for a job, if I know with certainty that if I don't get an offer from that company , I Will get another offer or offers (plural) from other companies so my mindset on that interview is more relaxed, I'm not desperate, I am not attached to that particular outcome.

Which 9 x out of 10 will result in my actually receiving that offer because of that confidence and knowing my value.

I am speaking from experience which you are as well and think we may even be on the same wavelength but expressing it in different ways.

Yes this is pretty much spot on

 

[tksniper]

See my above post.... Will Smith has options beyond what any man in history could dream of. So if the mindset part is moot, why doesn't he have abundance, why did he develop onetis?

I agree 100% of you said (sans the comment at "philosophizing" this, oh the horror!)...but there are more moving parts to this. Theres a lot of psychology here people think can just be written off.

it’s well known and documented that celebs are completely depraved and have been involved in crazy sex orgies, sans p. diddy. With will smith i think it’s more complicated because there’s hundreds of millions of dollars involved if he were to get a divorce.

Will smith could literally get a bl0wjob everyday from a new woman who signs an NDA and none of us would know about it. You can’t compare Celebs to normal people.

 

[GoodMan32]

And as long as attractive guys dont lord it down those who are not attractive with what amounts to a "chadsplain echo chamber" thread then we are all good, lol.

Looks really don't matter a whole lot (when it comes to abundance)

I've mentioned on this forum before that 2 past coworkers (back when I worked in stores) nailed female customers, despite the fact these 2 men were ugly.

They were muscular and fun; that's how they managed to slay despite being ugly.

On the flipside, there are attractive men who struggle for whatever reason.

 

[GoodMan32]

Then why do athletes and celebrities like Will Smith or Tiger Woods get onetis for toxic women? There are literally millions of women who would marry them in a heartbeat and yet they get attached and ruined by women who run circles around them. As much as I want the simplest explaination to be the best...I think there's more to it being desired alone.

But yes...being desired is sort of a prequisite to abundance, because otherwise it's a bit delusional and cope to pretend you're hot shvt when you're not. Fake it till you make it (as a permanent mindset) is cope if it's your only strategy indefinitely. Confidence has to come from actual competence or experience at some point. But as I alluded to I don't think desire from women is all that's required to have confidence and outcome indifference...unless there is an obvious explaination how athletes/celebs can make this mistake despite being the most sought after men in the world.

Eminem is another celebrity example.

He remarried Kim in 2006.

By 2006, Eminem was super famous, super wealthy, relatively young (33), and could have had his pick of the ladies. Yet he went back to the broad he had a miserable first marriage with.

 

[GoodMan32]

If you actually have options, you would reject women for looking at you the wrong way. You have the imprint of high interest from hot women in your sub consciousness and your mind has internalized the proper principles and mindset of a man with abundance.

When I walk down the street and see a woman give me a confusing look, I’m already mentally rejecting her. If she gives me a bad vibe -rejection. If I sense she is seeking my attention for validation -rejection.

Your behavior is solely based on how much abundance you have. You put up with crap behavior or low interest because you have no options.

Abundance is not a mindset. Abundance comes from being highly effective with women. And being highly effective comes from having high value. And having high value comes from daily habits that increases your value.

Abundance is a product of action. It’s not some pseudo mind trick to make women suddenly attracted to you.

Those who put in the work - those who go to the gym, work on their attitude and inner game, work on their finances, they dont have to talk about abundance as some mental thing. If anything, they don’t THINK at all about women. They are completely out of their heads and react naturally as a high value man.

Those who don’t have value mentally masturbate. Those who have value don’t think at all about women or abundance or whatever philosophy the mental masturbators think is the next en vogue mentality needed to succeed with women.

Instead of talking about abundance as some pseudo mindset, we need to talk about habits that makes a man high value.

I'm, if anything, less desirable than I was in my early 20s. Yet I have much higher standards now than I did back then (in terms of how much nonsense I'm willing to tolerate from a woman). In my early 20s, I was willing to be with just about anyone.

Goes to show that even without abundance, a man can develop some standards.

 

[tksniper]

I think it's actually both.

I don't see how you can achieve actual abundance (having multiple options) without first having an abundance "mindset" that you're high value, know your worth and what you have to offer. And walking away from any woman or anyone who doesn't see it or appreciate it.

Thus, enabling you to then turn that mindset into a product of your action and acquiring those options.

As stated an abundant mindset is confidence, knowing your value which is a mindset not an action or a product of action.

It applies to all walks of life, not just with women.

For example when interviewing for a job, when I know with certainty that if I don't get an offer from that company, I Will get an offer or offers (plural) from other companies, my mindset on that interview is more relaxed, I'm not desperate, I am not attached to that particular outcome.

Which 9 x out of 10 will result in my actually receiving that offer because of that confidence and knowing my value.

That's having an abundance mindset which IS a real thing not some pseudo pop psychology.

I am speaking from experience which you are as well and think we may even be on the same wavelength but expressing it in different ways, possibly.

when I was 13 I was a complete nerd and considered ugly by all my female classmates. My mother enrolled me in boxing and kickboxing classes and I developed a more masculine body after puberty. With that, the abundance started rolling in. I was “instinctually” abundant. I could try to develop some pseudo psych technique called “abundance mindset” but none of that would have been as effective as being a physically masculine dude that made teenage girls wet.

My point is, no nerd can simply develop an abundance mindset. That’s why these types of threads attract mental masturbators. But there ARE habits you can develop to raise your value in the sexual market place.

I’m a sales director and I can spend every meeting preaching mindsets. But none of that matters if the sales people aren’t learning something new everyday, improving daily upwards in skills, and having a strong daily self development routine.

Abundance is a process of right habits, not a mindset. The mindset is a by-product of having the personal integrity to improve yourself each day.

What do you think is more effective, telling a fat guy to improve his mindset or telling him to hit the gym?