The One Thing I 100% Agree With BlackPillers On

[BaronOfHair]

You may have missed what he was getting at.

In the nearer term things like men struggling to date, therefore leading to them becoming more desperate for female attention will lead to increased prevalence of OFs, etc. Women are rejecting large numbers of men and this a trend that will continue to grow. Basically, you have a large percentage of men getting NOTHING from women who basically give all of their attention to an increasingly smaller and smaller subset of men.

However, robotics and AI will eventually become so advanced that they can essentially replace women engaging in this behavior, which brings the balance you are talking about. The one caveat to this though is that this may become so engrained into society that real relationships, sex, etc. that we know of are considered odd.

This is a very frightening and depressing idea to consider but there is much to be learned from discussions pertaining to it.

Something NOT controversial to consider is that dating apps are set up in a way that keeps people on there longer, which means more revenue, etc. You go about doing this by making it MORE difficult for people to meet one another and not less, despite what it claims to be for. You can argue whether this is purely just for revenue purposes or something deeper, like it being a means to lower the population. Dating apps and social media have been one of the worst things for the development of healthy and stable real world male-female relationships.

This assumes that we're incapable of copulating with others humans as well as robots, and enjoying each in different ways. An assumption for which there's no empirical basis, and which ignores the fact that men and women have already been pleasuring themselves with pocket pu-sies, vibrators, and the like for decades now

Unhealthy as our attachments to such devices can become, this hasn't come anywhere close to bringing about the end of Western Civilization as we know it

 

[davidsonj73]

Disclaimer this post isn't meant to be negative but merely a post for the sake of discussion

Prostitution will be legalized and regulated in more areas of the US by 2040. Let me just state that I'm against this, as I think our society is already in deep moral decay. Fast forward, much like the cannabis business, (just as rappers like Snoop&Dr Dre for example in the 90s sang the praises of weed, today it is now normalized, as rappers like popular female rappers sing the praises of sex work it is becoming normalized) corporations in the future will set up brothels and investors will be able to buy stock in them. To further increase profits, top-earning women - influencers - will become brands (receive contracts) and offer even greater incentives to investors. Like OnlyFans, hordes of women will flock to prostitution with a few able to churn out riches. At the same time, the masses attracted to the possibility of riches and fame for little next to no work, will become debt slaves, signing contracts like artists in the music business, they will be fronted cash, houses, cars, designer brands, but will have to work their asses off an eternity to pay off what they "owe". As artificial intelligence takes over more jobs, the population increases nationwide, education becomes more unaffordable and out of reach, and there will be fewer jobs to compete for thus more women will give into temptation as it will be normalized and more acceptable(just like Onlyfans became normalized in recent years and also even glorified by the MSM). Due to inflation, the cost of living will be near impossible for most women(and men, you will also see a rise of poly relationships but that's another topic). Most millennials for example can't afford to buy a house today by 2030 most people (not just women) won't be able to afford a one-bedroom apartment because of how fast prices have increased since COVID-19.

So yes Black Pillers are right prostitution will become legal, once AI robots have full functionality by the 2050s most men will opt for that. Dating a woman will be a luxury to men who have social skills, money etc.

Once again I do not advocate for this but the tech is evolving faster than anyone can imagine

I think you're right; however, I am totally for the widespread legalization of prostitution in the United States. I think people should be allowed to do what they want with their money and their bodies!

 

[Foe]

Dating a woman will be a luxury to men who have social skills, money etc.

A sexbot with 10 out of 10 body who can give me a intellectual tailored conversation and then do the dishes?

No dude, dating a man will be a luxury to woman who want to breed.......Bring on the sexbots, woman need a wakeup call.

 

[Manure Spherian]

difference is that it wasn't all that easily accessible in the past, if at all.

Correct. There are two naughty books that cover the overturning of our obscenity laws and I can’t name them here.

Perhaps sleeping with a prostitute has a different effect than a man just watching porn?

I think legalization of prostitution would severely weaken the near total female ownership of the sexual market and would have them trying to put out for normal men again. They might even be inclined to screw their husbands more.

 

[SW15]

Something NOT controversial to consider is that dating apps are set up in a way that keeps people on there longer, which means more revenue, etc. You go about doing this by making it MORE difficult for people to meet one another and not less, despite what it claims to be for. You can argue whether this is purely just for revenue purposes or something deeper, like it being a means to lower the population. Dating apps and social media have been one of the worst things for the development of healthy and stable real world male-female relationships.

Dating apps might be keeping people from forming longer term relationships. However, dating apps are now engrained in the whole dating process. There are plenty who delete the apps and also struggle to date without the apps.

Most women are given abundance from the apps. The typical woman on a swipe app gets attention from hundreds or thousands of men. She has numerous "1-2 dates, no sex, no extended relationship" type interactions and then has sex with a small percentage of her first dates. She might put up a high notch count doing this but she's rejected far more men than she's accepted for sex.

For men, dating apps reinforce scarcity in a lot of cases.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I think you're right; however, I am totally for the widespread legalization of prostitution in the United States. I think people should be allowed to do what they want with their money and their bodies!

The beliefs espoused by many Generic Red Pillers and those of Julie Bindle-esque Rad Fems just continue to converge, with each passing week. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the opposition of both camps to criminal justice reform... They're united in their fervent desire to see a DECREASE in our civil liberties, and greater legal restrictions on our everyday lives

 

[BadBoy89]

Even if prostitution was legal, BlackPillers wouldnt run to them women and have sex them,

BlackPillers main gripe is they can’t get the hot, sexy, young never married, no kids women in 20s to have sex with them and love and care about them.

BlackPillers can get single mothers -> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get fat women—> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get older women -> don‘t want them
BlackPillers can get sex anywhere , but they have to pay for it directly -> don’t want them

The main fight, the main anger, the main bitterness among BlackPillers, RedPillers and men everywhere, is for hot young women under 30 who have little baggage.

A woman outside parameters, it’s in a man’s DNA to know how to act around them.

 

[needimprovement250]

Even if prostitution was legal, BlackPillers wouldnt run to them women and have sex them,

BlackPillers main gripe is they can’t get the hot, sexy, young never married, no kids women in 20s to have sex with them and love and care about them.

BlackPillers can get single mothers -> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get fat women—> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get older women -> don‘t want them
BlackPillers can get sex anywhere , but they have to pay for it directly -> don’t want them

The main fight, the main anger, the main bitterness among BlackPillers, RedPillers and men everywhere, is for hot young women under 30 who have little baggage.

A woman outside parameters, it’s in a man’s DNA to know how to act around them.

That’s true, and I’ve even seen some blackpilled guys openly admitting that they want underage girls because they have a low notch count or are still virgins and have no baggage. They even fully acknowledged that they would be breaking the law and said they didn’t care.

 

[Redwood]

That’s true, and I’ve even seen some blackpilled guys openly admitting that they want underage girls because they have a low notch count or are still virgins and have no baggage. They even fully acknowledged that they would be breaking the law and said they didn’t care.

They have no shame.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Even if prostitution was legal, BlackPillers wouldnt run to them women and have sex them,

BlackPillers main gripe is they can’t get the hot, sexy, young never married, no kids women in 20s to have sex with them and love and care about them.

BlackPillers can get single mothers -> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get fat women—> don’t want them
BlackPillers can get older women -> don‘t want them
BlackPillers can get sex anywhere , but they have to pay for it directly -> don’t want them

The main fight, the main anger, the main bitterness among BlackPillers, RedPillers and men everywhere, is for hot young women under 30 who have little baggage.

A woman outside parameters, it’s in a man’s DNA to know how to act around them.

Good like to anyone who's seeking a mate from the human race who has no baggage at all

 

[Solomon]

I've just subscribed to one girl on OnlyFans, which was ironically used as motivation to talk to another girl at work. In a twisted way, I made a deal with myself, this past Monday, that either I approach a lady in the cafeteria and ask to sit next to her for lunch, or I'll log into OnlyFans right there (at an isolated table) and see if the other "lady" I subcribed to replied back, etc..... I chose to approach. The fact that I have an OF sub means that, somewhere in my mind, I really like women, in particular Philipean women (ie given the escort I subbed to is from the Phillipeans) and there is cognitive dissonance if I don't act in pursuing what I'm interested in.

While I'm not logging on to OnlyFans again to look at other women or even the lady I subscribed too, I can still feel there is "something" that is making me thinking more about wanting to connect with women in general more than usual. This gives the opportunity to engage with escorts (or whoever you want to engage with), with the protection of a screen, and in the comfort of your own home, where ever you are.

*Sigh*

At least you are self-aware of the cognitive dissonance but keep in mind, that the OF women is providing a "service" to fulfill your fantasy. This fantasy can lead to lust, and lust can lead to temptation i.e. escorting, perversion, and other things. I remember a long time ago a popular PUA (forgot) who was telling guys to jerk off and right before the climax to stop and go to the club, When I was a younger fool I tried that honestly it made no difference in regards to my results meeting or picking up women lol

How exactly will dating become a luxury when, under this scenario, there's less demand for P and women will have unfulfilled romantic desires and a deficit of attention received?

It seems like women would be thirsty (for things they typically would get thirst for) under this scenario.

@sangheilios explained my point very well but let me add on a little bit, that what we are seeing today the top men getting the best women will become the norm which in essence it already is. However, you still see outliers of average men with hot women who most likely met through social circles, high school, college etc. You will see this less likely in the future. Let's also not forget that AI-sex robots will be available for women as well. Imagine a robot that

-Will listen to a woman's sob story after work with full intent
-Cook and Clean
-Looks like Bradd Pitt in his prime or any other celebrity handsome man of her fancy
-She can adjust his personality and make him super Alpha in bed and Beta when it comes to communication, housework etc
-Have sex for hours on end giving her multiple O's (women already have that in a sense it's called a "vibrator")

Mark my words there will be a time when most people won't be able to discern the difference between a real woman and an AI-ROBOT because they will seem human like very sentient this sounds insane. However, if you had told the average person in the 1950s that they would be able to watch "Color TV or MOvies" on a phone that they can hold in their hand and listen to music on the same device in the future they would have thought the same thing. They already have the tech!!! They are just waiting to roll it out slowly to the public!

Once again Sangheilios explained in depth so need to beat a dead horse

A sexbot with 10 out of 10 body who can give me a intellectual tailored conversation and then do the dishes?

No dude, dating a man will be a luxury to woman who want to breed.......Bring on the sexbots, woman need a wakeup call.

In 2024 women don't need men to "breed" all they need is sperm in a petri dish. They already have enough sperm in the reservoir for the next 100 years. Once again women will be utilizing sex robots too, initially, it may be taboo and the women that do use them will be considered losers however as society continues to decay in the future, it will be normalized and eventually accepted.

 

[Solomon]

I'm not entirely sure of what the exact timeline would be for something like this, but I totally agree. I'm not even old, but 10 years ago the thought of only fans was never even in the cards. I remember around that time period there was this huge scandal going on with this site called Girls Do Porn lol, which was a wild case btw. Anyway, fast forward to today and it's actually not all that rare for regular/normal women to be creating content for OF. I think it's pretty crazy to see how much the attitude towards something like this has changed in such a relatively short period of time.

With OF specifically, I think a huge reason is that women can make a lot of money off of it without really doing all that much. I've never been on there, but I guarantee a good chunk of it is just taking photos/videos of themselves in lingerie or even full blown naked, maybe have their boobs out, etc. I'm sure it goes beyond this, but I also guarantee that there are hordes of simps that would throw decent amounts of cash to see this crap. It's a bizarre concept to me that doesn't make sense, especially since you can see countless numbers of naked women for free with a simple google search lol.

I think the idea of a man dating a woman as being a luxury or unusual has some interesting points that I can kind of see playing out. Even today, there are tons of stats showing that Gen Z men are regularly NOT having sex or dating women, whereas for the opposite sex this is NOT true. A lot of it is simply women chasing a minority of men and leaving the remainder fighting for scraps or even be left out in the cold all together. I used to think this crap was made up, but I've seen it for myself with those a bit younger than me. Many women today are far too readily rejecting decent/acceptable men that would make solid relationship prospects in favor for who knows what exactly.

During the pre COVID years I knew a guy going to the university in my area who would have an actual real GF that was long distance AND also had a side piece that was obsessed with him. I guarantee that side piece would have considered herself "in a relationship" or "taken" if she were surveyed, so she had effectively taken herself off of the market. Granted, they were in college but I'd wager something like this is not all that uncommon past that age range.

Your idea about the poly relationships is interesting and I also believe this is going to be far more common. The example I mentioned above would be somewhat common and not all that unusual. However, I also could see something where a woman is getting multiple men as well. Quite a while ago when I used to use facebook I recall seeing a profile picture in the "suggested friends" list or whatever that was called that had a woman with 2 men in the picture with her. The woman was below average looking, as were the men, and when I clicked on it they clearly were in a poly relationship, 1 woman with the 2 men lol. I don't think this would be all that common, but given how desperate a lot of men can get who knows lol.

As for comments about AI, robotics, etc. I personally imagine a scenario where you can have a "relationship" with an AI entity that you can talk to, share your thoughts and feelings with, etc. I picture something like what Master Chief from Halo had with Cortana. As for the sex robots, I totally could see this being very close to the real thing that it would be scary to consider.

Anyone who is following societal level trends and connecting it with ever advancing technology can see where this stuff is heading. I do believe that there will still be normal people with normal relationships, but I think you would have to go OUT of your way to be a part of that. It's very hard to predict cultural norms of the future when there are so many events that can occur, which could completely alter the course of history. Look at how different things were in 1870 compared to 1920, or hell even 1920 with 1970. Look at how much has changed since the late 90s. I'm going to be able to see this all play out in my lifetime and it's going to be wild.

Gen-Z really got a bad deal. With the rise of social media, Pandora's box has been opened to the point where many women go on Instagram and believe they deserve the same lifestyle as Kim Kardashian. I know women who are unattractive, not to be mean, but literally unattractive, yet they have Chads/Tyrones flooding their inboxes not just on online dating platforms but also on IG. Admittedly, the Chad doesn't want a relationship with an unattractive girl; he just wants to satisfy his desires. However, twenty years ago, if word got around that a Chad was involved with an unattractive girl, it could ruin his reputation, especially with future prospects. The world was smaller back then. Now, a Chad can discreetly engage with both unattractive and attractive women, and no one would be the wiser unless he gets exposed through some viral means.

Onlyfans still befuddles me I remember in April 2020 when it exploded to most of us myself included it seemed out of nowhere but Quarantine really did a number on women and particularly Men. I mean it from 7.5 mIllion users to nearly a 100 Million users in less than a year. Even Disney and Netflix would be jealous of these numbers. I remember when webcam girls were taboo and underground. Heck I dated one briefly in 2009 (very nice body) but it was a hush-hush thing, now it's celebrated as women empowerment by the MSM. Gen-Zers think this is normal add to the fact that Gen-Zers and millennials missed out on some of their college years and now they are the least social savvy generation in centuries!

I've observed an explosion in open and polyamorous relationships in the last 7 years. With the cost of living becoming increasingly expensive, the idea of three people(or even more) sharing a one-bedroom apartment won't be far-fetched. I mean, heck, the average rent in the USA is $1700 for a one bedroom! I remember fifteen years ago, that was the price for a nice three-bedroom house in a good part of town. How much will the average apartment cost ten years from now? Twenty years from now? 50 years from now? I shudder when I think about it, but the financial system, as we know it, is going to crash. I remember a story a guy once told me when I used to work part-time in a grocery store years ago. His roommate was an attractive white girl (a 7) who had seven boyfriends!!! Yes, seven. He said three guys would give her money, to the point where her rent was paid. This might sound crazy, but you can see it now, girls on regular dating apps openly stating they are looking for sugar daddies. Fifteen years ago, you seldom, if ever, saw that. Now, women "looking for generous gentlemen" is not crazy at all. A girl I used to work with 6 years ago for fun as an experiment decided to see if she could get money on a dating app by doing nothing. In her profile it said "Sent $5 and find out what happens". By the end of her 8-hour shift, she had $40. That may not sound like much(it isn't) but remember she was working and texting guys during her downtime or breaks, imagine if she did this as a full-time job She did end up with a "Sugar daddy" from London who would pay her $400 just to text. She eventually got tired of it because he was texting her non-stop. Mind you she lives in the USA and He lives in another country and he was paying her $400 a month! Another girl who I worked with in the videography industry told me she gets 3 DM's a week from random men offering to be her sugar daddy and she was an adjustable 6 at best.

I always enjoy talking to you about this topic, Sang. We definitely have to do a podcast on this, as it's a topic that I've been thinking about for years.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Dating a woman will be a luxury to men who have social skills, money etc.

Well, no.

Prostitution is legal at my place.

You see, actually who is the most against prostitution are women. Not because they care about prostitutes but because they know prostitution takes their pvssy (to a degree) out of the equation and thus power over men away from women.

A lot of thirsty men check out of the dating market when they have access to affordable pvssy (70€ is a good deal for 30 minutes). These men stop giving attention to women and therefore contribute to a more balanced dating market in which women DO NOT have as many simps around as they would have without prostitution.

Prostitution is actually a good thing for men. Directly for some men and indirectly for other men.

 

[Solomon]

Well, no.

Prostitution is legal at my place.

You see, actually who is the most against prostitution are women. Not because they care about prostitutes but because they know prostitution takes their pvssy (to a degree) out of the equation and thus power over men away from women.

A lot of thirsty men check out of the dating market when they have access to affordable pvssy (70€ is a good deal for 30 minutes). These men stop giving attention to women and therefore contribute to a more balanced dating market in which women DO NOT have as many simps around as they would have without prostitution.

Prostitution is actually a good thing for men. Directly for some men and indirectly for other men.

I'm curious have you noticed this benefit of prostitution benefiting you?
I'm not trying to call you out or shade but I'm asking genuinely if it has helped you or your friends in regard to your dating/mating results
You make a valid point about men not giving attention to women and maybe even benefiting men, however, I think it benefits men short term not long(busting a nut doesn't give you affection, companionship or a spiritual connection etc)
As someone mentioned In this thread earlier Blackpillers aren't looking for sex with prostitutes but hot girlfriends or wives
I would reckon that is true for most men they would rather have a hot or even average girlfriend or wife than a prostitute if they are honest.

For example, If you were to ask most men who pay for Onlyfans, why are they paying? They aren't paying for sex (cause they ain't getting any lol) they are paying for a woman's attention and affection. Free Porn has been around for years but men crave women's affection, validation and companionship that will never change.

In America, morality is so low that we are living a "Beta" neo-liberal hedonistic society or we are headed that way. I can't see this long-term being good for men and women

 

[ThisIsSparta]

I'm curious have you noticed this benefit of prostitution benefiting you?
I'm not trying to call you out or shade but I'm asking genuinely if it has helped you or your friends in regard to your dating/mating results
You make a valid point about men not giving attention to women and maybe even benefiting men, however, I think it benefits men short term not long(busting a nut doesn't give you affection, companionship or a spiritual connection etc)
As someone mentioned In this thread earlier Blackpillers aren't looking for sex with prostitutes but hot girlfriends or wives
I would reckon that is true for most men they would rather have a hot or even average girlfriend or wife than a prostitute if they are honest. If you were to ask most men who pay for Onlyfans they aren't paying for sex (cause they ain't getting any lol) they are paying for a woman's attention and affection. Free Porn has been around for years but men crave women's affection, validation and companionship that will never change

In America, morality is so low that we are living a "Beta" neo-liberal hedonistic society or we are headed that way. I can't see this long-term being good for men and women

Prostitution is legal here since forever, so i havent experienced the "before".

Of course most men would prefer to have a woman for a Disney relationship.
To be realistic though, there allways have been men that would end up as forever bachelor, which wouldnt get a woman without "paying" for her. So its totally good for these men to be able to procure pvssy.

In the end we all pay for pvssy, one way or the other, but thats a different topic.

I rather have these men paying for pvssy then being out there loading women with even more attention then they allready have.

The question for a lot of men is not what they want but what they can get with the amount of effort they are willing to put in.
AND a lot of men have genetic limitations that cut them out for the SMV of 6 and above.

Not everyone can become a desired man and that percentage grew dramatic with OLD and womens options on getting laid these days.

Now..... being an undesirable man, what options do you have?

You gonna take an ugly landwale? A single mom of 3? Join a polyamory cuckshow? Be a doormat for a woman that sees you as third choice? Take a woman 10 years older then you?

I can tell you that i rather lived alone, in peace, have a couple of pets for company and spend 70 bucks on a sexworker every week then any of the options i mentioned above.

Yes porn is out since forever........ but fvcking beats the hell out of porn. And there might be less men out there that seek validation and companionship from women then you think if they had access to easy pvssy.

Morality in the USA..... i cant be the judge of that, but fvcking a sexworker beats being a cvck in a poly relationship or funding another mans kids, if you ask me.

One thing will happen for sure, the average woman will have to overthink her behaviour iside and outside of a relationship once men without options suddenly get options to have their sexual needs fullfilled.

 

[sangheilios]

*Sigh*

At least you are self-aware of the cognitive dissonance but keep in mind, that the OF women is providing a "service" to fulfill your fantasy. This fantasy can lead to lust, and lust can lead to temptation i.e. escorting, perversion, and other things. I remember a long time ago a popular PUA (forgot) who was telling guys to jerk off and right before the climax to stop and go to the club, When I was a younger fool I tried that honestly it made no difference in regards to my results meeting or picking up women lol



@sangheilios explained my point very well but let me add on a little bit, that what we are seeing today the top men getting the best women will become the norm which in essence it already is. However, you still see outliers of average men with hot women who most likely met through social circles, high school, college etc. You will see this less likely in the future. Let's also not forget that AI-sex robots will be available for women as well. Imagine a robot that

-Will listen to a woman's sob story after work with full intent
-Cook and Clean
-Looks like Bradd Pitt in his prime or any other celebrity handsome man of her fancy
-She can adjust his personality and make him super Alpha in bed and Beta when it comes to communication, housework etc
-Have sex for hours on end giving her multiple O's (women already have that in a sense it's called a "vibrator")

Mark my words there will be a time when most people won't be able to discern the difference between a real woman and an AI-ROBOT because they will seem human like very sentient this sounds insane. However, if you had told the average person in the 1950s that they would be able to watch "Color TV or MOvies" on a phone that they can hold in their hand and listen to music on the same device in the future they would have thought the same thing. They already have the tech!!! They are just waiting to roll it out slowly to the public!

Once again Sangheilios explained in depth so need to beat a dead horse



In 2024 women don't need men to "breed" all they need is sperm in a petri dish. They already have enough sperm in the reservoir for the next 100 years. Once again women will be utilizing sex robots too, initially, it may be taboo and the women that do use them will be considered losers however as society continues to decay in the future, it will be normalized and eventually accepted.

I think we have quite a long time before the robots/AI will become that advanced where it will be indiscernible from that of a real human. I think by the time something like this happens is when humans may not even really be necessary for society to function. This also could get into the idea of where you can download your mind into a new body or where you are essentially a cyborg of some sorts. This is getting into Sci-Fi territory but given the direction of where things are heading now I can't exactly call this farfetched anymore.

However, I think the idea of relationships with an AI entity is really not that ridiculous nor that far off either. What I imagine is where you have a bunch of very lonely people who can have full blown conversations with an AI that could talk to you like your mother for instance, where it will talk to you about anything and give you encouraging words. This might sound funny, but a lot of people in today's world don't really have someone like this in their lives and it would be of great benefit to their mental health, regardless of how weird it may sound to us. I've alluded to this before, but it's totally something I could see your typical Asian geek being into lol.

Gen-Z really got a bad deal. With the rise of social media, Pandora's box has been opened to the point where many women go on Instagram and believe they deserve the same lifestyle as Kim Kardashian. I know women who are unattractive, not to be mean, but literally unattractive, yet they have Chads/Tyrones flooding their inboxes not just on online dating platforms but also on IG. Admittedly, the Chad doesn't want a relationship with an unattractive girl; he just wants to satisfy his desires. However, twenty years ago, if word got around that a Chad was involved with an unattractive girl, it could ruin his reputation, especially with future prospects. The world was smaller back then. Now, a Chad can discreetly engage with both unattractive and attractive women, and no one would be the wiser unless he gets exposed through some viral means.

Onlyfans still befuddles me I remember in April 2020 when it exploded to most of us myself included it seemed out of nowhere but Quarantine really did a number on women and particularly Men. I mean it from 7.5 mIllion users to nearly a 100 Million users in less than a year. Even Disney and Netflix would be jealous of these numbers. I remember when webcam girls were taboo and underground. Heck I dated one briefly in 2009 (very nice body) but it was a hush-hush thing, now it's celebrated as women empowerment by the MSM. Gen-Zers think this is normal add to the fact that Gen-Zers and millennials missed out on some of their college years and now they are the least social savvy generation in centuries!

I've observed an explosion in open and polyamorous relationships in the last 7 years. With the cost of living becoming increasingly expensive, the idea of three people(or even more) sharing a one-bedroom apartment won't be far-fetched. I mean, heck, the average rent in the USA is $1700 for a one bedroom! I remember fifteen years ago, that was the price for a nice three-bedroom house in a good part of town. How much will the average apartment cost ten years from now? Twenty years from now? 50 years from now? I shudder when I think about it, but the financial system, as we know it, is going to crash. I remember a story a guy once told me when I used to work part-time in a grocery store years ago. His roommate was an attractive white girl (a 7) who had seven boyfriends!!! Yes, seven. He said three guys would give her money, to the point where her rent was paid. This might sound crazy, but you can see it now, girls on regular dating apps openly stating they are looking for sugar daddies. Fifteen years ago, you seldom, if ever, saw that. Now, women "looking for generous gentlemen" is not crazy at all. A girl I used to work with 6 years ago for fun as an experiment decided to see if she could get money on a dating app by doing nothing. In her profile it said "Sent $5 and find out what happens". By the end of her 8-hour shift, she had $40. That may not sound like much(it isn't) but remember she was working and texting guys during her downtime or breaks, imagine if she did this as a full-time job She did end up with a "Sugar daddy" from London who would pay her $400 just to text. She eventually got tired of it because he was texting her non-stop. Mind you she lives in the USA and He lives in another country and he was paying her $400 a month! Another girl who I worked with in the videography industry told me she gets 3 DM's a week from random men offering to be her sugar daddy and she was an adjustable 6 at best.

I always enjoy talking to you about this topic, Sang. We definitely have to do a podcast on this, as it's a topic that I've been thinking about for years.

The COVID lockdowns was when we saw a lot of this stuff really take off. I remember someone I knew talking about a Tinder match looking for him to send money to "buy her dinner" lol. Granted, I cannot say how much she actually got doing this but I guarantee you that it worked for her. I remember a conversation a couple guys were having and one of them was talking about messaging an escort in I think LA. Anyway, he made some comment about how she wanted him to send her $25 and I told him it was just some scam, I remember seeing the text messages. A girl could literally make an escort ad in a major city with a phone number from which she sends out her line and the fish would come on their own. It wouldn't be hard for a girl to do this day in and day out to where she could make a decent amount of money.

As I mentioned, this stuff only exists because of modern technologies like instagram, tinder, venmo, zelle, etc. 30 years ago a prostitute would literally have to interact with men face to face, and scamming them would have put them in a potentially dangerous situation. Today, girls don't even need to have sex with men in order to get money from them lol, some simp would bend over backwards just to get a damn text message from a woman haha.

I also agree with your comment about social skills in Gen Z being very sub par. I've had conversations with @SW15 about some of my first hand experiences with platonic/friendly interactions with some people in this age range and it's pretty crazy to see, and this is coming from a guy who used to have issues with social confidence when I was younger lol.

I'll also add that attitude towards having children, marriage, etc. has definitely gone down the toilet. I think a huge number of gen zs will have no children at all or maybe 1. I feel like people around my age, where social media didn't really take off until I was well into high school, are going to be the last normal generation.

Overall, I think we are going to be seeing some really interesting stuff in the next few decades.

 

[Solomon]

Prostitution is legal here since forever, so i havent experienced the "before".

Of course most men would prefer to have a woman for a Disney relationship.
To be realistic though, there allways have been men that would end up as forever bachelor, which wouldnt get a woman without "paying" for her. So its totally good for these men to be able to procure pvssy.

In the end we all pay for pvssy, one way or the other, but thats a different topic.

I rather have these men paying for pvssy then being out there loading women with even more attention then they allready have.

The question for a lot of men is not what they want but what they can get with the amount of effort they are willing to put in.
AND a lot of men have genetic limitations that cut them out for the SMV of 6 and above.

Not everyone can become a desired man and that percentage grew dramatic with OLD and womens options on getting laid these days.

Now..... being an undesirable man, what options do you have?

You gonna take an ugly landwale? A single mom of 3? Join a polyamory cuckshow? Be a doormat for a woman that sees you as third choice? Take a woman 10 years older then you?

I can tell you that i rather lived alone, in peace, have a couple of pets for company and spend 70 bucks on a sexworker every week then any of the options i mentioned above.

Yes porn is out since forever........ but fvcking beats the hell out of porn. And there might be less men out there that seek validation and companionship from women then you think if they had access to easy pvssy.

Morality in the USA..... i cant be the judge of that, but fvcking a sexworker beats being a cvck in a poly relationship or funding another mans kids, if you ask me.

One thing will happen for sure, the average woman will have to overthink her behaviour iside and outside of a relationship once men without options suddenly get options to have their sexual needs fullfilled.

I don't disagree with anything you said except that there are a group of men who desire love (incels, Blackpillers, average men etc) that do not want to pay because of their moral beliefs, or their religious beliefs etc. I do respect that. One thing I would contend or argue is that paying for sex long term is not feasible for the average guy in the USA. You have a lot of men who just can't afford it even if they wanted to (a quick search on a site shows the average rate for poon is $500) cause they are broke living at home this article I linked describes perfectly why. Even if the rate of poon were to drop, a lot of men still wouldn't be able to afford it.

We haven't even discussed the self-esteem, cynicism in regards to women(and hostility), and mental health aspects of it, which has/is already well-documented

Another thing is if the women who aren't prostitutes aren't competing i.e. better-behaved women, better long-term mates, approachable, easier to date etc. Than the options opinion goes out the window

 

[pipeman84]

No one is saying prostitution, porn, etc. did not exist in the past. The difference now is that there is virtually no stigma or taboo associated with it like you would have seen not that long ago. I cited that porn site girls do porn from a little over 10 years ago. A lot of the women had real life backlash over doing that, whereas now no one would care.

How did you establish that there is no stigma?
Firstly, no guy in his right mind and with an IQ above 50 would overlook a woman's sexual past before getting serious with her or have any doubts that OF is sex work. Secondly, read the comments under the articles about OF or the YouTube videos with OF 'models'. People know what's going on.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't believe that legalization of prostitution would magically transform wife material girls, those with the mindset for family and children, into sex workers. The idea is laughable ... those girls won't even go down the IG influencer route which is legal and carries basically no stigma.

 

[The Duke]

A sexbot with 10 out of 10 body who can give me a intellectual tailored conversation and then do the dishes?

No dude, dating a man will be a luxury to woman who want to breed.......Bring on the sexbots, woman need a wakeup call.

What about the shaming that will ensue? Men are already shamed for wanting to bang hookers.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

What about the shaming that will ensue? Men are already shamed for wanting to bang hookers.

Actually, guys were being shamed for considering a hooker should be counted as a 'lay' in their imaginary conquest lists. Fantasy is fantasy, but adding paid sex workers to your 'conquests' is similar to banging trans women and saying you're straight.