The new archetype Roman( the average guy that has trouble finding women)

[Manure Spherian]

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What’s your question specifically?

 

[jhonny9546]

What’s your question specifically?

Are you talking about women POV, or anything else?

 

[Gamisch]

All of this is an indication of 100 percent female ownership of the sexual market and men scrambling to try to get to the top of the heap. As I said in another post in another thread, it’s both funny and pathetic.

So it’s basically men doing whatever women want them to do for female validation. That’s what the sexual market devolved into.

Make more money (not happening any time soon for most salaried men, even those with “good” salaries).
Go to the gym.
Be a clown, comedian, court jester, and MC.
Get tattoo sleeves.
Buy a Range Rover.
Be a scumbag.
Be a criminal.
“Roll deep” (from a posse) to show you got that social clout.
Have an “edge”.
Do steroids.
Excessively groom yourself (eg, men having meltdowns over the slightest baldness).
Act like a woman (as one female poster says, “get the female psyche).
“Start your own business”

This is likely the first era in the history of the world in which the female race has men as a group running for cover, swimming upstream, jumping through hoops, and by the balls.

Again, fascinating and pathetic.

This.
Toms of video's popping up of women saying they're lining up man. They'll date 15 men a month and pick "the best".

Meanwhile the man who wants to remain "himself " will see time (and potential female mates !!)pass by him with the speed of a rocket. Your list could've been twice as long.
The "norman" prototype must realize ome thing: that every NEW woman wont know shyte about your past. Every new woman you meet is a clean sheet!.

At the end of the day life mainly happens within your own mind. I'd say that a stand up dude who is self assured will triumph a fake badboy. BUT,the confidence gotta come from somewhere....

 

[jhonny9546]

Toms of video's popping up of women saying they're lining up man. They'll date 15 men a month and pick "the best".

I would guess if this scenario would end when they would enter an LTR

Meanwhile the man who wants to remain "himself "

What does himself mean here?

BUT,the confidence gotta come from somewhere....

From where?

ps: sent you PM

 

[Gamisch]

I would guess if this scenario would end when they would enter an LTR


What does himself mean here?


From where?

ps: sent you PM

It does end when she enters a ltr BUT simultaneously it never ends.

-I mean, hypothetically 15 men, and she felt a tingle for ALL of them. High probability she keeps in touch with some.

- the dude she picks imo already lost,especially if he KNOWS she lined up men.

The confidence has to be internal and NOT dependent upon the presence of a woman in your life. And that my friend, is a life long fight, hence why society gets worried that dateless men dont have the intencive to progress in life. Hence why mental health care is going through the roof. Even work,money and a ripped physique are NOT enough for most men to feel confident.

I'll respond to your dm later today

 

[Slowhandluke]

All of this is an indication of 100 percent female ownership of the sexual market and men scrambling to try to get to the top of the heap. As I said in another post in another thread, it’s both funny and pathetic.

So it’s basically men doing whatever women want them to do for female validation. That’s what the sexual market devolved into.

Make more money (not happening any time soon for most salaried men, even those with “good” salaries).
Go to the gym.
Be a clown, comedian, court jester, and MC.
Get tattoo sleeves.
Buy a Range Rover.
Be a scumbag.
Be a criminal.
“Roll deep” (from a posse) to show you got that social clout.
Have an “edge”.
Do steroids.
Excessively groom yourself (eg, men having meltdowns over the slightest baldness).
Act like a woman (as one female poster says, “get the female psyche).
“Start your own business”

This is likely the first era in the history of the world in which the female race has men as a group running for cover, swimming upstream, jumping through hoops, and by the balls.

Again, fascinating and pathetic.

we are men. we can wait. a typical woman has 10 to 15 years max of fertility. that's her "power". the ability to have kids and attract men while young. The average young woman may not be initially attracted to the average young man.. but, young men also have a super power. in addition to making the world function, men also have the ability to wait.

if this generation of women do not want to reproduce, there will always be the next... the ability to create offspring last a lot longer than 10 to 15 years for men. there will always be women that will want to procreate. if not this generation, then the next. life finds a way humans will find a way to procreate and create life and ways to care for the young. chase Chad, getting pumped and dumped by chad, is not the answer. darwinism will rear its ugly head to those thinking otherwise.

 

[Slowhandluke]

who has it worse today? women or men. most women are on antidepressants. most women are burnt out on dating (pumped and dumped by chad). most women are seeing their beauty fade, their fertility going alway - their most important aspects.

most men on average are lonely, but yet they still do things. obviously, there are suicides, homelessness, etc.. but for the average man, hes just a bit lonely but still doing things. he might not be trying as much at work... he might want female companionship, but at the end of the day, the average man is doing ok. he still has a future.

all in all, I think women are getting hurt the most in the dating market. society just gaslights them to think they are doing fine working in companies, climbing the ladder, chasing Chad's, consumerism, etc.

It does end when she enters a ltr BUT simultaneously it never ends.

-I mean, hypothetically 15 men, and she felt a tingle for ALL of them. High probability she keeps in touch with some.

- the dude she picks imo already lost,especially if he KNOWS she lined up men.

The confidence has to be internal and NOT dependent upon the presence of a woman in your life. And that my friend, is a life long fight, hence why society gets worried that dateless men dont have the intencive to progress in life. Hence why mental health care is going through the roof. Even work,money and a ripped physique are NOT enough for most men to feel confident.

I'll respond to your dm later today

 

[Gamisch]

we are men. we can wait. a typical woman has 10 to 15 years max of fertility. that's her "power". the ability to have kids and attract men while young. The average young woman may not be initially attracted to the average young man.. but, young men also have a super power. in addition to making the world function, men also have the ability to wait.

if this generation of women do not want to reproduce, there will always be the next... the ability to create offspring last a lot longer than 10 to 15 years for men. there will always be women that will want to procreate. if not this generation, then the next. life finds a way humans will find a way to procreate and create life and ways to care for the young. chase Chad, getting pumped and dumped by chad, is not the answer. darwinism will rear its ugly head to those thinking otherwise.

This is so true.

Thats why a man should NEVER enter a rat race with a woman; you'll lose SHORT TERM. Lets say a man dates a woman from 20-25. She breals up with him. He'll enter the rat race with her. " Who gets to adjust the relationship status on FB sooner,me or her?"(mind you, an open relationship is also entering the rat race with her, and again: you'll lose)

Part of this race is that a MAN at age 30 will already feel like a failure because Stacy once upon a time didn't liked him or tried to monkey branche.

Next this mam falls apart due to drinking depression and whatever. Basically throwing away his best years!! Remeber: she is ALSO 30,but her window is rapidly closing on her. But, she convinced "the love of her life " to feel like a pile of poop along with her.

Moral of the story: we as men have plenty of time to build up all facets of the game that are needed, momey body ect. It should be a mandatory class in school to learn the stages of being a man, thus warning men that being obvious about game and fighting for the wrong woman/womem might spiral him into an early midlife crisis.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Are you talking about women POV, or anything else?

Yes. Reread my post if you like. The sexual market today is one in which most of the men have to do whatever tickles the fancy of women, as my list shows, and which changes like the weather.

That’s why the “eternally improve thyself” meme is so viral. Improve yourself until you out-alpha the most desirable men on earth: Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck, Tom Brady, Will Smith, etc.

Oh wait, their women dumped and publicly punked them too.

Oh wait, the RP people said despite their desirability, they don’t know how to hold frame (blame the men).

This Roman archetype, an engineer, doesn’t have to earn one more red cent for a woman, or “improve” sh-t. Maybe he can learn to recognize IOI’s, attract a woman equal or slightly below, walk through open doors, and live happily ever after.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Next this mam falls apart due to drinking depression and whatever. Basically throwing away his best years!! Remeber: she is ALSO 30,but her window is rapidly closing on her. But, she convinced "the love of her life " to feel like a pile of poop along with her.

Another example of how men wreck their lives from not getting a pat on the head from women.

Quote from Sexual Utopia in Power:

“A man should never base his self-image on what women think of him in any case, because women’s concerns are too materialistic and self- centered. (“He that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife,” as St. Paul put it.) The men who have accomplished the greatest things for our civilization have not, by and large, resembled the heroes of women’s romance fiction; indeed, they have been disproportionately celibate. Once a man realizes what triggers female attraction, and understands that women’s judgments of men are largely rationalizations of this attraction (or its absence), he will not be inclined to overvalue their opinion of him.”

 

[Solomon]

The 2010s were special time for this world a global social revolution. Did I mention COVID. Everything was in questions. In general...

Women where used to push agendas. This resulted in lots of women making bad lifelong decision. (tattoos, single mothers, drug addicts, social media, only fans ect.)

Men on the other hand are not so easily influenced. Some men may have made bad lifelong mistakes (ba$tard children, ect.) but most have not.

We are now seeing the results, the men who kept their head down during rough seas are now finally seeing clear skies. The ship was shacked and rattled but never took on water and is now clear to sail ahead. The women now have a ship plastered with ireversable damage, has been taking on water and is now sinking.

We have alot of decent dudes now trying to pair with damage women and most are looking the other way. That leaves a small percentage of available decent women.

The notion that one dude is sleeping with 5 girls is maybe a small percentage ) (.01%) and isnt even worth mentioning, its just a talking point pushed by internet gritters as cope.

Is society going to collapse, no. but its safe to say the tradition family system for the last 100 years is on its way out. I would say we are going into a more tribal sate. Certain people will absoulty control certain areas through politics, money or influence.

This is a great post and I could certainly see things moving towards a tribal state, it makes sense if you think about the times we live in, especially with inflation, vanity, the rise of AI and other tech, narcissism, political uncertainty (it's an election year), redefining gender roles etc. Things are changing and ever since covid the change has been accelerated. If you go out long enough and often enough you can even smell it in the air.

Maybe it's different where I live(midwest) but I'm noticing a rise of women wanting to get in traditional relationships again, I think that there will be a group of women who rather would opt for that than be in a polyamorous relationship, albeit it may be a small number but a lot of Gen-Z women aren't hooking up as their predecessors (The numbers prove this)in hook up culture. They see the tough lives their mothers live being a single mother or their best friend or sister being a thot and how it's ruined their reputation for example. The reality is a lot of men are waking up and aren't willing to play "Clean up" man anymore compared to previous generations (but than again in previous generations single mother rate and women's obesity was never as high as it is today, so in essence, the average woman was of better quality than the average woman of today)I'm shocked now adays but the men I have met here and there that will start talking in RP lingo to me(people have to understand the rise of Andrew Tate was a major thing a few years ago, which opened up a lot of men's eyes, especially for Gen-Z who have never heard game concepts before etc), it's spreading faster than people think. I'm not saying this is happening everywhere once again this is just something I'm seeing. In times of economic uncertainty, women's mating strategy tends to change from short-term to long-term.

 

[Manure Spherian]

We have alot of decent dudes now trying to pair with damage women and most are looking the other way. That leaves a small percentage of available decent women.

“Nah bro, it’s not like that. That’s just an excuse and cope. You sound like an incel. Women just became more awesome and these guys just can’t hang. They aren’t willing to put in the work. They wanna complain because it’s easier to sit in their mom’s basement and watch porn and play video games. Heehee, the bar is so low these days that doing the bare minimum will have you swimmin’ in hoes!”

Psych!

 

[Manure Spherian]

“Nah bro, it’s not like that. That’s just an excuse and cope. You sound like an incel. Women just became more awesome and these guys just can’t hang. They aren’t willing to put in the work. They wanna complain because it’s easier to sit in their mom’s basement and watch porn and play video games. Heehee, the bar is so low these days that doing the bare minimum will have you swimmin’ in hoes!”

Psych!

“Work my accursed pvssy chaser Roman! (Cracks whip. Whopeesh!)”

“Get that new certification! Clock more hours at the office! Double your income! Get an edge! Be funny! Tell jokes! Make me laugh! Put me in my place; I want a man who takes control! I work hard at the office and I’m not coming home to a man who can’t make decisions! Wait… no… don’t do that! Don’t tell me what to do! Be a gang member! You’re too vanilla; get a steez! Buy a boat! Go to the gym and do 5/3/1! Lose those love handles! Tweeze those eyebrows! Get hair transplants! Wait… no… don’t do that!! I don’t want a guy more vain than me! Buy a McLaren! Pop bottles in the club! Get some girlfriends to show me you have social proof!”

“Work Roman, work!” (Whapeesh!)

 

[hellonwheels]

Roman chooses this when he could easily choose something else. When you are a passenger in your own life, don't complain about where it drives you to.

What exactly makes Roman a passenger? What is the “something else” to choose? So he needs to quit Raytheon and start being a Social Media Fitness Influencer or Club Promoter or whatever for the sole purpose of meeting more holes?

Roman is more a circumstance of the times. I’d say he’s in a good position with a respectable career, some friends/hobbies, no children, overall freedom etc. Seems in control of his life, but not successful with dating.

This character simply needs a mindset adjustment of not putting ***** on the pedestal, and finding more ways to meet women other than OLD (which majority of ppl struggle with).

 

[Manure Spherian]

What exactly makes Roman a passenger? What is the “something else” to choose? So he needs to quit Raytheon and start being a Social Media Fitness Influencer or Club Promoter or whatever for the sole purpose of meeting more holes?

He has a variety of options:
1. Social media bulls*t artist.
2. Quit work. A job is for losers. So is health insurance. Better to start an e-business and boost his income to 7 or 8 figures. That, or become CEO of the firm that employs him.
3. Get tattoos and piercings. Adorn thy body.
4. Morning rituals: reading, meditation, grounding and centering, application of skincare products.
5. Take Steroids.
6. Learn text, day, and night game. Be adaptable.
7. “Get” the female psyche.
8. Develop a standup-comedy routine to be delivered to potential prospects at 9 PM on work nights.
9. Act like everything is a big joke all the time.
10. Overhaul his wardrobe.
11. Start a criminal gang with the aforementioned buddies. This will actually work for all of them on its own. And no, I’m not joking.

 

[jhonny9546]

This is a great post and I could certainly see things moving towards a tribal state, it makes sense if you think about the times we live in, especially with inflation, vanity, the rise of AI and other tech, narcissism, political uncertainty (it's an election year), redefining gender roles etc. Things are changing and ever since covid the change has been accelerated. If you go out long enough and often enough you can even smell it in the air.

Maybe it's different where I live(midwest) but I'm noticing a rise of women wanting to get in traditional relationships again, I think that there will be a group of women who rather would opt for that than be in a polyamorous relationship, albeit it may be a small number but a lot of Gen-Z women aren't hooking up as their predecessors (The numbers prove this)in hook up culture. They see the tough lives their mothers live being a single mother or their best friend or sister being a thot and how it's ruined their reputation for example. The reality is a lot of men are waking up and aren't willing to play "Clean up" man anymore compared to previous generations (but than again in previous generations single mother rate and women's obesity was never as high as it is today, so in essence, the average woman was of better quality than the average woman of today)I'm shocked now adays but the men I have met here and there that will start talking in RP lingo to me(people have to understand the rise of Andrew Tate was a major thing a few years ago, which opened up a lot of men's eyes, especially for Gen-Z who have never heard game concepts before etc), it's spreading faster than people think. I'm not saying this is happening everywhere once again this is just something I'm seeing. In times of economic uncertainty, women's mating strategy tends to change from short-term to long-term.

This open up a completely different POV. I don't know. Materialism still be there.
Why do you think woman will be more prone to an LTR? Do you think gen z could have the "abandonment" problem?

 

[Gamisch]

“Work my accursed pvssy chaser Roman! (Cracks whip. Whopeesh!)”

“Get that new certification! Clock more hours at the office! Double your income! Get an edge! Be funny! Tell jokes! Make me laugh! Put me in my place; I want a man who takes control! I work hard at the office and I’m not coming home to a man who can’t make decisions! Wait… no… don’t do that! Don’t tell me what to do! Be a gang member! You’re too vanilla; get a steez! Buy a boat! Go to the gym and do 5/3/1! Lose those love handles! Tweeze those eyebrows! Get hair transplants! Wait… no… don’t do that!! I don’t want a guy more vain than me! Buy a McLaren! Pop bottles in the club! Get some girlfriends to show me you have social proof!”

“Work Roman, work!” (Whapeesh!)

This is exactly the life that "Roman " will have IF he forces himself in a relationship with just for the sake of being in one.

Especially after he's already somewhat established . And relies on OLD ,where " normal decent people " accomplishments do not mean shyte.

The issue won't be his ability to look beyond her history, the real problem is that women like this can't ever be happy.

 

[Slowhandluke]

I drew a diagram.. hahahha.. slow work day

 

[jhonny9546]

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From your writings about Roman, I can understand that you have an outstanding experience.
Did this ever happened to your life also?

 

[Solomon]

This open up a completely different POV. I don't know. Materialism still be there.
Why do you think woman will be more prone to an LTR? Do you think gen z could have the "abandonment" problem?

I can only go of my experience and what I saw. During the 2008-2012 recession Did women still hook up, ONS, and flings etc. Of course! there is no doubt about it. However many women were dating for LTR's club/bar patronage died by half easily during those years, where circa 2008 it was easier to meet women and take them home for ONS. Now women would give you their number so you could take them on a formal "Date". In my experience flaking increased, and with inflation dating gets expensive even for women (they have to buy clothes, makeup, get their hair done, nails done etc shyt most men don't care about lol). I will say being in your 20s at the time, women had more grace if you were broke as a man (heck most women in their 20s are broke too), as long as you had a decent car, lived on your own or with a roommate, had a job. You have to remember in 2008-2012 social media wasn't what it was now, yes women compared themselves to other women but they only had their social circle to compare themselves too. Women were far more realistic when it came to their expectations and standards.

In 2024 I've noticed when I date women 30+ now money comes up right away. In my 20s this was not the case. Heck, I even had a couple of women tell me they are looking for a relationship but are looking for a man to eventually provide for them and take care of some of their financial burdens and buy them gifts i.e. bags, vacations, nice restaurants etc. This ain't 2010 this is now 2024, needless to say those women I tend to never see again. The women who have the balls to say that tend to be the most insufferable women you can imagine and it makes sense as to why they are single. I recommend for any man to run as far away from those women as they tend to be judgmental and have high expectations that they themselves cannot meet hence they are looking for a man to take care of them. It's best to run away even if they are hot the pvssy isn't worth it IMO

Now I'm not ignorant obviously during the first recession I was in my 20s so the bar was lower than it is today however personally I prefer to date women 21-27 years of age currently.

As I mentioned before during the recession, I was a broke kid in my early to mid-20s. I had to get a 2nd job just to make ends meet. However, dating was cheaper, tons of places that had"Happy Hours" Some of these were nice places too, the Happy Hours were affordable and you could get some awesome deals at dive bars. In 2010 for example there was this bar downtown in my area that had 3-4-1's this was unheard of even at the time. In the college bars they had nickel drinks! In 2024"Happy Hours" are a joke, $5 tap beer and $18 burgers! 10 years ago that would be $3 tap beer and $5 burgers!

In some places, the prices are jacked up and they take a dollar of the regular-priced menu items in some spots, that's not Happy hour it's a finesse. During the recession years a few restaurants closed but most actually started to thrive shortly after. Covid killed the best bars/clubs/restaurants in my city. Nightlife is a graveyard from 5 years ago, and compared to 2008 nightlife is a joke and a shell of it former self.

So if you're Gen-Z who a third are living with their parents and a lot of them are unemployed why would you date? in 2008 at least dating was afforable if you knew where to go and look. However in 2024 with inflation good luck trying to keep a date $50 or less. It's possible however the places that had great deals and ambiance IME don't exist anymore yes you can find $5 tap beer or even $3 but it's going to be from 3-5:30pm or 3-6pm most people are just getting off work at those hours. This makes it hard to date especially if you live in an area where "walks" are not possible from October-April cause of miserable cold weather. I'm not complaining but just painting the picture of the reality some of us face in the field.

Anyway sorry for the ramble but the point I'm trying to make is that the reason why Gen-Z women are cool with "Netflix and Chill" dates are because of the fact that most people in their 20s are broke. I would even say my dates with Gen-Z women in the last 5 years have been far cheaper than any other generation. I think women even Gen-Z women aren't wired to hook up. I have seen firsthand the damage it can do, when you see a woman who drinks the feminist kool aide and then is sobbing because she finds getting dicc down by different guys every month unfulfilling eventually women want more especially during times of economic uncertainty