The woman should come out and tell us when they want sex

[GoodMan32]

You are using logic. There is no logic when it comes to young hot women. They are manipulators and opportunists.

Young hot women won’t propose sex.

1. She has to keep her societal image
2. She has to extract as much amount of resources first
3. She wants to see how many options that guy has first

Suppose a 48 year old rich menopausal woman wanted to have sex with you but you weren’t feeling it. She was buying you stuff and taking you to dinners and really spoiling you. You would give in and have sex with her or would delay as much as you could to get more resources from her.

It’s the same with young hot women.

As for your hypothetical question, you said (in this hypothetical scenario) I'm really not feeling it with the 48 year old wealthy woman.

My OP was about women who are feeling it with a guy. Not necessarily young hot women either. The woman I had a date with last weekend was closer to 40 than 30 (and average looking). Yet I didn't invite her home for sex because she never explicitly said she wanted sex. For all I know, maybe she wanted sex (if so, she should have said so).

If a woman was giving me all sorts of special treatment, but I had little to no desire to bang her, of course I'd see how much I could extract from her. If I wanted sex with her, I'd give her the sex, however.

 

[Bigpapa]

As for your hypothetical question, you said (in this hypothetical scenario) I'm really not feeling it with the 48 year old wealthy woman.

My OP was about women who are feeling it with a guy. Not necessarily young hot women either. The woman I had a date with last weekend was closer to 40 than 30 (and average looking). Yet I didn't invite her home for sex because she never explicitly said she wanted sex. For all I know, maybe she wanted sex (if so, she should have said so).

If a woman was giving me all sorts of special treatment, but I had little to no desire to bang her, of course I'd see how much I could extract from her. If I wanted sex with her, I'd give her the sex, however.

Bro, do not know if you are socially weird or not … but you should focus on compliance not on trying to read her

Basically progressing little by little till she is at your place and progressing little by little till she is naked.

Also Going out to dinner and then expecting sex after is a very dumb thing. After you eat you want to sleep or chill not to have sex

Bro, mainly from what you have wrote is your problem not women a problem

 

[corrector]

As for your hypothetical question, you said (in this hypothetical scenario) I'm really not feeling it with the 48 year old wealthy woman.

My OP was about women who are feeling it with a guy. Not necessarily young hot women either. The woman I had a date with last weekend was closer to 40 than 30 (and average looking). Yet I didn't invite her home for sex because she never explicitly said she wanted sex. For all I know, maybe she wanted sex (if so, she should have said so).

If a woman was giving me all sorts of special treatment, but I had little to no desire to bang her, of course I'd see how much I could extract from her. If I wanted sex with her, I'd give her the sex, however.

I would not. Had a shadow ex gf (hb 2.5) who was offering me money and mailed me a large box of items. Had to return everything back to her, deny any help and change my number (which was also a business number). My mother would not have it for me to be otherwise.

 

[SW15]

Here's where the plot twist comes in. After dinner, I told her there's a good view from the rooftop of my building. And I commented I have a fridge to keep her leftovers from spoiling. So, without coming out and telling her I wanted sex (to avoid looking desperate), I was at least hinting.

She ended up going straight home.

WTF! You had great plausible deniability there. You were set up well for sex.

OP use KINO (progressively sensualized touching) to find out if she's down

That's my technique.

This forum has been infiltrated by incels.

@GoodMan32 is not an incel. He has sex with escorts regularly, meaning he is not celibate. Incel means celibate. That said, your point is valid. It would be better to get feedback from men who can seduce without direct payment.

I think any epidemic on this forum is indicative of a larger societal pattern.

Incels are becoming more common in general society. This means forums, workplaces, etc will all have more incels today than 15 years ago.

Incels are becoming more common. Incel status increased as the Millennial generation progressed. As far back as when I was in college (2001-2005), there were signs that inceldom would be increasing.

 

[GoodMan32]

WTF! You had great plausible deniability there. You were set up well for sex.



That's my technique.



@GoodMan32 is not an incel. He has sex with escorts regularly, meaning he is not celibate. Incel means celibate. That said, your point is valid. It would be better to get feedback from men who can seduce without direct payment.



Incels are becoming more common. Incel status increased as the Millennial generation progressed. As far back as when I was in college (2001-2005), there were signs that inceldom would be increasing.

To your first point, yeah, all signs suggested I was going to get sex. It's shocking the woman ended up going straight home after dinner.

Then you're right, I'm technically no incel (because I have sex with escorts). Some guys can't even get sex with escorts. All of this being said, I'm aware I'm not exactly in a good position to give advice on this forum. That's why I rarely give advice. I mainly seek pointers on how to get laid without payment.

If you don't mind me asking, what were some of the signs you saw during 2001-2005 to suggest inceldom would increase?

 

[SW15]

To your first point, yeah, all signs suggested I was going to get sex. It's shocking the woman ended up going straight home after dinner.

Despite your autism spectrum disorder, you did what appears to be a decent job reading this situation. It would be extremely frustrating not to get vagina.

Then you're right, I'm technically no incel (because I have sex with escorts). Some guys can't even get sex with escorts. All of this being said, I'm aware I'm not exactly in a good position to give advice on this forum. That's why I rarely give advice. I mainly seek pointers on how to get laid without payment.

You are having sex which is better than not having sex. Directly paying for sex is not as good as getting laid conventionally.

When getting laid conventionally, a man is still paying for sex. It's indirect payments for sex. A lot of men having to do things like buy Rolexes/luxury brand watches, luxury brand cars, buy a boat, spend money on dates, etc. in order to get some pussie.

It's best not to lead with your wallet, but plenty of men figure out that using money to flaunt wealth will get them a longer term girlfriend or a rotation of women.

what were some of the signs you saw during 2001-2005 to suggest inceldom would increase?

There's a great thread on college sex below, focused on college sex at large American public universities.

I went to a school that I've called "Hot Girl U" on here. Despite the fact that my university was known for a party environment, attractive women, and college sex, few men were scoring regularly. I knew more men who were getting drunk from overconsumption of alcohol at off campus than guys who were getting their penises wet with attractive women at these off campus parties.

I saw more use of technology and the erosion of social skills. I saw too much reliance on AOL Instant Messenger (a precursor to text messaging). People were substituting AOL Instant Messenger for phone calls or in-person interaction. By the beginning of my senior year, both Facebook and MySpace had launched. Guys were starting to try to seduce on those. Dating websites were also rapidly de-stigmatizing and women were getting their inboxes flooded by horny guys. This happened less on college campuses than in the general public around then, but I was peripherally aware of it.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Here's what I intended to get out of this forum: Learn some cheat codes (In other words: Do this, this, and that. You'll get guaranteed sex).

Escorts are a cheat code I've discovered to get sex. My next step is learning cheat codes to get free sex.

Are you on the ADD spectrum? There is nothing in life that works that way, there is no list of items you can go through (when dealing with a biological system) and just have it succeed, that is not how life works. You use trials and errors to modify your approaches. Hundreds of them, over time.

What you can get here is general ideas on how different men would approach a given situation, you have to be capable of extrapolation and come up with your own test scripts.

 

[GoodMan32]

Despite your autism spectrum disorder, you did what appears to be a decent job reading this situation. It would be extremely frustrating not to get vagina.



You are having sex which is better than not having sex. Directly paying for sex is not as good as getting laid conventionally.

When getting laid conventionally, a man is still paying for sex. It's indirect payments for sex. A lot of men having to do things like buy Rolexes/luxury brand watches, luxury brand cars, buy a boat, spend money on dates, etc. in order to get some pussie.

It's best not to lead with your wallet, but plenty of men figure out that using money to flaunt wealth will get them a longer term girlfriend or a rotation of women.



There's a great thread on college sex below, focused on college sex at large American public universities.

I went to a school that I've called "Hot Girl U" on here. Despite the fact that my university was known for a party environment, attractive women, and college sex, few men were scoring regularly. I knew more men who were getting drunk from overconsumption of alcohol at off campus than guys who were getting their penises wet with attractive women at these off campus parties.

I saw more use of technology and the erosion of social skills. I saw too much reliance on AOL Instant Messenger (a precursor to text messaging). People were substituting AOL Instant Messenger for phone calls or in-person interaction. By the beginning of my senior year, both Facebook and MySpace had launched. Guys were starting to try to seduce on those. Dating websites were also rapidly de-stigmatizing and women were getting their inboxes flooded by horny guys. This happened less on college campuses than in the general public around then, but I was peripherally aware of it.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

That's an interesting way to put it (men who get laid conventionally still pay for sex, although indirectly). As for your luxury car example, I would estimate I've spent less than 30 thousand on escorts in the whole 8 and a half years I've been utilizing escorts. Let's say a guy buys an 80 thousand dollar car to impress the ladies. Right there, he's dropped approximately 3 times the amount I've spent on escorts. And chances are he won't keep the car anywhere near 8 and a half years (Guys who buy luxury cars are notorious for replacing the car every 2 years or so. Keeping up with the Joneses).

Is my approach (paying for sex directly through escorts) cheaper in the long run than buying a luxury car to impress women? Certainly sounds like it. Then I have no idea what boats cost, but I imagine buying a boat is pretty costly too.

When I was in college (before I discovered escorts), I was lucky enough to get sex without paying at all (either directly or indirectly). I would meet women on hookup websites, then they would drive to me for sex. While it didn't cost me any money, I suppose it cost me time. For every successful lay I obtained on hookup websites during college, I had to spend hours and hours on the hookup websites looking for a lay (and I certainly had many failed attempts).

Your explanation on how you saw the writing on the wall (regarding the upcoming incel epidemic) during your college years makes a lot of sense. Even though I'm not quite as old as you, I'm old enough to remember when AIM was all the rage. You make a good point. While we were technological dinosaurs in the early 2000s (compared to now), there was still AIM for guys to use as a crutch (as opposed to talking to a girl in person). When I have time, I certainly will check out the thread you linked.

 

[Bokanovsky]

My point is, a woman ends up hurting herself if she refrains from flat-out saying "I want sex" to a guy she feels an emotional connection with. There's a good chance the guy will refrain from making a move (because he's not 100% sure whether she's dtf). Then she ends up getting robbed of an opportunity to shag a guy she feels an emotional connection with.

I agree with you that this is how it “should” be. I also think that there should be fair elections, honest politicians, blind justice, freedom of speech, equality of opportunity and good relations between neighbors.

Now that we’ve established this wishlist, how do you propose to bridge the gap between how things should be and how they actually are?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Using prostitutes is bad for men, period.

1. makes you think you deserve a better looking woman than you actually do.
2. Makes you a crappy sexual partner, because she’s going to ooo and aaa to get you off. Hell I’d bet you think you’ve made a pro have an orgasm - not. And you will suck in bed - and i guarantee you do.
3. Pros are into customer service it’s how they make money. Everything about them is fake.
4. No she doesn’t “like” you you’re a John, you idiot.
5. WAKE THE FACK UP!

What the fack is up with you people? Any of this shiite is common sense why the fck do we have to tell you about it?

Jesus Christ on a god damned Stick!

 

[corrector]

Using prostitutes is bad for men, period.

1. makes you think you deserve a better looking woman than you actually do.
2. Makes you a crappy sexual partner, because she’s going to ooo and aaa to get you off. Hell I’d bet you think you’ve made a pro have an orgasm - not. And you will suck in bed - and i guarantee you do.
3. Pros are into customer service it’s how they make money. Everything about them is fake.
4. No she doesn’t “like” you you’re a John, you idiot.
5. WAKE THE FACK UP!

What the fack is up with you people? Any of this shut is common sense why the fck do we have to tell you about it?

It looks like @SW15 beliefs that sex is a necessary need that needs to be filled on the lower level of a scale has gotten the better of him and he's normalizing this thing. It's disappointing that someone who claims to have a higher lifetime notch count is actually endorsing this as something that's normal because he believes, in his philosophy, that there is no purpose in life beyond getting laid. When you have that mindset then its easy to justify it as a means to an end.

What is your mindset about getting laid? Do you also believe that there is no other purpose in life beyond getting laid or do you have a different mindset? (I'm religious so obviously getting laid is not a top priority, despite the fact I identify as incel on here and would claim that the fact I have never officially in writing declared my state of celibacy to be voluntary and signed it, that I am involuntary celibate, etc...., ) Perhaps that's where we can start to elevate this discussion.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Using prostitutes is bad for men, period.

1. makes you think you deserve a better looking woman than you actually do.
2. Makes you a crappy sexual partner, because she’s going to ooo and aaa to get you off. Hell I’d bet you think you’ve made a pro have an orgasm - not. And you will suck in bed - and i guarantee you do.
3. Pros are into customer service it’s how they make money. Everything about them is fake.
4. No she doesn’t “like” you you’re a John, you idiot.
5. WAKE THE FACK UP!

What the fack is up with you people? Any of this shiite is common sense why the fck do we have to tell you about it?

Jesus Christ on a god damned Stick!

I’m assuming this knowledge comes from personal experience. I’ve never been with a hooker, so I’m curious how #2 works and how it doffers from a regular woman faking an orgasm?

 

[corrector]

@GoodMan32 is not an incel. He has sex with escorts regularly, meaning he is not celibate. Incel means celibate. That said, your point is valid. It would be better to get feedback from men who can seduce without direct payment.

That is your opinion. Escortcelling is an incel who uses escorts. If you go on any incel site or incel definition page, they will still call an incel who visits prostitutes an escortcel or higher-tiered incel:

https://incels.wiki/w/Escortcel

This defined on the incel dictionary as a coping strategy for incels who are unable to obtain sex. It is a cope.

However, that being said, in @GoodMan32 case, he is not actually escortcelling in his case. He is actually MGTOW. I'm 100% convinced he is MGTOW. According to the MGTOW ideals, you are choosing an escort over a civvie because of civvies are presenting themselves as too difficult to deal with, you can't be bothered with the drama of dating, and rather pay for play than have to deal with the bs of women and their fluctuations and play on patience, not to mention the legal risk if you deal with a crazy women that gives a false rape charge, ends up getting pregant and lied about being on birth control/(offers a condom with holes in it you can't see), or if you refuse to have sex with her makes up a false rape charge anyway and you still end up in jail, etc....

If I saw women as a liability to my life rather than an asset and was only interested in momentary carnal pleasure to keep my sanity, then I'd be MGTOW too. I think perhaps @GoodMan32 has made some calculations and prefers to deal with escort rather than civvies for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's an interesting way to put it (men who get laid conventionally still pay for sex, although indirectly). As for your luxury car example, I would estimate I've spent less than 30 thousand on escorts in the whole 8 and a half years I've been utilizing escorts. Let's say a guy buys an 80 thousand dollar car to impress the ladies. Right there, he's dropped approximately 3 times the amount I've spent on escorts. And chances are he won't keep the car anywhere near 8 and a half years (Guys who buy luxury cars are notorious for replacing the car every 2 years or so. Keeping up with the Joneses).

Is my approach (paying for sex directly through escorts) cheaper in the long run than buying a luxury car to impress women? Certainly sounds like it. Then I have no idea what boats cost, but I imagine buying a boat is pretty costly too.

When I was in college (before I discovered escorts), I was lucky enough to get sex without paying at all (either directly or indirectly). I would meet women on hookup websites, then they would drive to me for sex. While it didn't cost me any money, I suppose it cost me time. For every successful lay I obtained on hookup websites during college, I had to spend hours and hours on the hookup websites looking for a lay (and I certainly had many failed attempts).

Your explanation on how you saw the writing on the wall (regarding the upcoming incel epidemic) during your college years makes a lot of sense. Even though I'm not quite as old as you, I'm old enough to remember when AIM was all the rage. You make a good point. While we were technological dinosaurs in the early 2000s (compared to now), there was still AIM for guys to use as a crutch (as opposed to talking to a girl in person). When I have time, I certainly will check out the thread you linked.

That's an interesting way to put it (men who get laid conventionally still pay for sex, although indirectly). As for your luxury car example, I would estimate I've spent less than 30 thousand on escorts in the whole 8 and a half years I've been utilizing escorts. Let's say a guy buys an 80 thousand dollar car to impress the ladies. Right there, he's dropped approximately 3 times the amount I've spent on escorts. And chances are he won't keep the car anywhere near 8 and a half years (Guys who buy luxury cars are notorious for replacing the car every 2 years or so. Keeping up with the Joneses).

Is my approach (paying for sex directly through escorts) cheaper in the long run than buying a luxury car to impress women? Certainly sounds like it. Then I have no idea what boats cost, but I imagine buying a boat is pretty costly too.

When I was in college (before I discovered escorts), I was lucky enough to get sex without paying at all (either directly or indirectly). I would meet women on hookup websites, then they would drive to me for sex. While it didn't cost me any money, I suppose it cost me time. For every successful lay I obtained on hookup websites during college, I had to spend hours and hours on the hookup websites looking for a lay (and I certainly had many failed attempts).

Your explanation on how you saw the writing on the wall (regarding the upcoming incel epidemic) during your college years makes a lot of sense. Even though I'm not quite as old as you, I'm old enough to remember when AIM was all the rage. You make a good point. While we were technological dinosaurs in the early 2000s (compared to now), there was still AIM for guys to use as a crutch (as opposed to talking to a girl in person). When I have time, I certainly will check out the thread you linked.

$30,000-80,000!!!

 

[SW15]

That's an interesting way to put it (men who get laid conventionally still pay for sex, although indirectly). As for your luxury car example, I would estimate I've spent less than 30 thousand on escorts in the whole 8 and a half years I've been utilizing escorts. Let's say a guy buys an 80 thousand dollar car to impress the ladies. Right there, he's dropped approximately 3 times the amount I've spent on escorts. And chances are he won't keep the car anywhere near 8 and a half years (Guys who buy luxury cars are notorious for replacing the car every 2 years or so. Keeping up with the Joneses).

Is my approach (paying for sex directly through escorts) cheaper in the long run than buying a luxury car to impress women? Certainly sounds like it.

You're not analyzing it correctly. You would have to take into consideration your sex frequency with escorts vs. his sex frequency buying an $80,000 car. It might be a situation where he got laid due to owning his luxury/sports car more frequently than you got laid with escorts. You would have had to spend more with escorts to match his frequency.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I’m not tall, rich, famous, young. No 6-pack. No Ferrari. Tinder was great.

"was" lol

 

[corrector]

Then you're right, I'm technically no incel (because I have sex with escorts). Some guys can't even get sex with escorts. All of this being said, I'm aware I'm not exactly in a good position to give advice on this forum. That's why I rarely give advice. I mainly seek pointers on how to get laid without payment.

You are not an truecel incel because you had sex with civvie women in the past. As you've declared in these public threads, you remember the last encounter with a civvie back in 2021. You remember it nicely because it stands out compared to the more mediocre experiences from the pros that can't match that TYPE of energy, and fact of being genuinely desired, from the civvie otherwise every escort encounter would be a blast like that civvie right? You want advice to get that experience again with another woman because you know its a different experience. One is the real deal, the other is medicating yourself with a woman.

 

[corrector]

About the only value an escort has is for an inexperienced guy to have physical contact with a woman.

In your opinion, how many times does an inexperience guy need to have physical contact with an escort before it loses that value and becomes pure medication? Once, twice, ten, twenty or a hundred times? Does the saying f-twenty other women apply here?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Sex is definitely high on my list of priorities. But my children’s well being and being a good human is more important at least to me.

One can be involved with multiple women and still maintain a modicum of honor - provided you’re up front about your intent. Every time I’ve had a problem with someone I’m sleeping with that is not a long-term possibility. It comes from them making a lot of assumptions about what’s going on between us all of this, despite my very clear talk about where we stand.

Would I rather have one woman that meets all my needs? Absolutely but it’s a higher order.

My main driver in life at this point is to do good. I made changes in my life and my career in order to be able to do just that to help people.

In the end, you can’t take it with you. The only thing that matters is how you loved.

It looks like @SW15 beliefs that sex is a necessary need that needs to be filled on the lower level of a scale has gotten the better of him and he's normalizing this thing. It's disappointing that someone who claims to have a higher lifetime notch count is actually endorsing this as something that's normal because he believes, in his philosophy, that there is no purpose in life beyond getting laid. When you have that mindset then it’s easy to justify it as a means to an end.

What is your mindset about getting laid? Do you also believe that there is no other purpose in life beyond getting laid or do you have a different mindset? (I'm religious so obviously getting laid is not a top priority, despite the fact I identify as incel on here and would claim that the fact I have never officially in writing declared my state of celibacy to be voluntary and signed it, that I am involuntary celibate, etc...., ) Perhaps that's where we can start to elevate this discussion.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Your goal needs to be capturing a woman's mind and soul. That takes social skills and understanding emotional logic. You do that and she will happily give you her pu$$y on a silver platter. I've always been rewarded because I did all the ground work to seal the deal. Most all have begged me to fuhk them. I've only had one woman ever tell me no. Mental Foreplay is what its all about.

Maybe a separate thread on this is in order?