The woman should come out and tell us when they want sex

[GoodMan32]

I know the challenges for people in the spectrum and, yes, especially for them it's often difficult to read the cues.

Still no incentive to make life easier. With the proper motivation, any social challenge can be dealt with.

With all due respect, a neurotypical guy telling a guy on the spectrum they can overcome their struggles with reading a woman's dtf clues is like Michael Jordan telling a 5'6" guy basketball is easy.

How do you know when you've never been in the other party's position?

 

[GoodMan32]

Ah yes...men already try and have all the manly responsibilities taken off their plate these days, let's just take another one off so they can just go about and act like glorified toddlers.

Do you want to carry your binkie and have someone wipe your ass too? Let's just take all the responsibilities off your plate.

If you ever doubted the Low Testosterone epidemic was for real, posts like this reinforce it

In the current era (where misreading a false dtf clue can lead to harrassment accusations), this is serious business.

What a woman would have brushed off as mere cringeworthiness in 2003, she'll call harassment in 2023. And it can ruin the guy's life.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Only time this has ever happened is when I wasn't interested in the woman and she happens to just proposition me, first time I had sex without a condom and busted in her raw it was with a older woman I showed no interest towards, one day were having coffee and she just says it, I said sure, then we banged regularly, haven't used a condom since honestly.

 

[GoodMan32]

Only time this has ever happened is when I wasn't interested in the woman and she happens to just proposition me, first time I had sex without a condom and busted in her raw it was with a older woman I showed no interest towards, one day were having coffee and she just says it, I said sure, then we banged regularly, haven't used a condom since honestly.

I would love to be in that position (where an older woman tells me point blank she wants me to shag her)

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Sex just happens. It doesn’t need to be discussed or asked for. Kissing leads to making out which leads to breast fondling…and. Let nature take it’s course.

 

[GoodMan32]

Sex just happens. It doesn’t need to be discussed or asked for. Kissing leads to making out which leads to breast fondling…and. Let nature take it’s course.

Right. In my experience, this is how it progresses once you're at home (the relatively rare occassions I've had sex with women other than escorts). There's still the challenge, however, of knowing whether to invite her over.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Right. In my experience, this is how it progresses once you're at home (the relatively rare occassions I've had sex with women other than escorts). There's still the challenge, however, of knowing whether to invite her over.

Just invite. Worst she’ll say is ‘no’.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

There's still the challenge, however, of knowing whether to invite her over.

As they say: “you’re guaranteed to lose every shot you didn’t take” therefore anything is better than inaction.

 

[GoodMan32]

Just invite. Worst she’ll say is ‘no’.

I know. You're right, it's worth a try.

One problem I can think of, however: What if the woman is eventually planning on having sex with you; just not yet? She might end up revoking the future offer in her head if you invite her over too soon.

 

[GoodMan32]

As they say: “you’re guaranteed to lose every shot you didn’t take” therefore anything is better than inaction.

See the post I made to Hamurabimbi above. Inviting her over too soon could lead to you missing a future shot you would have had with her.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Analysis paralysis. Action is always better than lack of action. So what if you pull the trigger too early? There are other fish in the sea. You make up for the losses with numbers.

See the post I made to Hamurabimbi above. Inviting her over too soon could lead to you missing a future shot you would have had with her.

 

[corrector]

Sex just happens. It doesn’t need to be discussed or asked for. Kissing leads to making out which leads to breast fondling…and. Let nature take it’s course.

That doesn't happen with me in the past times. In my case, kissing lead to making out, which lead to more aggressive making out until you like want to just stick your tongue in harder into her mouth and hold her head back while shoving your tongue into the back of her mouth and breathing hard for an extended amount of time, oblivious to the world around, but it doesn't lead to sex, just more and harder making out. That was the ex-gf. With my ex-wife, kissing and making out were always different from sex (within marriage). For some reason I always processed kissing as more intimate than sex.

The make-out sessions with that ex-gf were so intense that my ex-wife asked me specifically if I made out with this ex-gf. It's like it created some imprint that never went away even with the subsequent relationship about a year later. There was no sex with this ex-gf (2012), but the insane make-out sessions, and locations and time where they took place, still made for a mind-blowing experience that stook.

 

[bat soup]

It would make a lot more sense (for both parties) if the woman would come out and tell us when they want sex.

Tinder allows women to do just that. Now women can specify exactly what they want and say honestly when they want sex with no social taboo at all.

Unfortunately for men, they all want the same guy: the rich, handsome, tall, famous young guy with a six pack and a 6" kok that drives a Ferrari. Now, thanks to The App, they can get* him.

(*for one night and then they spend the rest of their lives angry and bitter after he ditches them)

 

[GoodMan32]

Tinder allows women to do just that. Now women can specify exactly what they want and say honestly when they want sex with no social taboo at all.

Unfortunately for men, they all want the same guy: the rich, handsome, tall, famous young guy with a six pack and a 6" kok that drives a Ferrari. Now, thanks to The App, they can get* him.

(*for one night and then they spend the rest of their lives angry and bitter after he ditches them)

Many women on Tinder are as you describe.

A former coworker of mine (female) who used Tinder was somewhat of an exception. The guys she met on Tinder weren't wealthy, some weren't in particularly good shape, and some didn't even own a car.

As for the sex thing, this former coworker said getting a Tinder date with her was still no guarantee of getting her to shag you. You'd have to cover all of her expenses on the first date (But the good news: She said if you covered all of her expenses on the first date, she'd feel obligated to shag you).

In a way, she was like a cheaper escort.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This forum has been infiltrated by incels.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

In the current era (where misreading a false dtf clue can lead to harrassment accusations), this is serious business.

What a woman would have brushed off as mere cringeworthiness in 2003, she'll call harassment in 2023. And it can ruin the guy's life.

The only place this could be an issue is at work which is on the guy anyway since they shouldn't be looking to bang women at their job.

And this is only an issue if done repeatedly where the woman already turns them down and they continue asking.

It's not harassment to ask once. It's harassment when they continue to ask after they already were declined.

So again, this means they did what they shouldn't do not once but multiple times, and usually more than 2 because most women don't want to go to HR until it becomes absolutely necessary and they feel like they have no other choice to get it to stop.

But the bigger issue is why does it happen in the first place? Because most guys these days have no social skills, no tact, no conversational skills and are very awkward when talking to other people, especially women.

It's at the point I just shake my head at some of the stuff I see the younger generations doing.

 

[corrector]

The only place this could be an issue is at work which is on the guy anyway since they shouldn't be looking to bang women at their job.

Why not? @Hamurabimbi does this and it's something that regular happens in the office. What you mean to say is average and below average guys should't be looking, but then that would be catering to feminist hive mentality rather than anything objectively relevant.

And this is only an issue if done repeatedly where the woman already turns them down and they continue asking.

I've heard a guy say that he got married to a woman who had rejected him multiple times before and that if you quit too soon, you might miss out on a great relationship. It's contrary to nature of how females operate that you are going to get a clear-cut answer when they can be ambigious and send mixed message.

It's not harassment to ask once. It's harassment when they continue to ask after they already were declined.

Not all nos mean no....some nos mean maybe. Again, not every interaction works like that.

@EyeBRollin wants to complain incels are infiltrating the forum but is failing to realize that there aren't that many seduction options like before. If you are not in the top tier of guys then you are in a staight-jacket. You can only ask once and then quit at the first sign of resistance/rejection. You can't do anything at work or you might get fired. You get more and more weak advice because it's not the 2000s and you either can pull women with ease or the juice is not worth the squeeze (ie of course, self-improve until you can pull with ease).

 

[GoodMan32]

The only place this could be an issue is at work which is on the guy anyway since they shouldn't be looking to bang women at their job.

And this is only an issue if done repeatedly where the woman already turns them down and they continue asking.

It's not harassment to ask once. It's harassment when they continue to ask after they already were declined.

So again, this means they did what they shouldn't do not once but multiple times, and usually more than 2 because most women don't want to go to HR until it becomes absolutely necessary and they feel like they have no other choice to get it to stop.

But the bigger issue is why does it happen in the first place? Because most guys these days have no social skills, no tact, no conversational skills and are very awkward when talking to other people, especially women.

It's at the point I just shake my head at some of the stuff I see the younger generations doing.

I've flirted with female coworkers before. Other than this one female coworker at a past job who showed off (what I thought were) some pretty severe dtf clues, I try to only do mild flirts (so that way I can pass off the flirts as mere friendliness if need be).

Social media first became big as I was entering high school. I think that's why my generation (and the generation behind me) are more awkward with women compared to previous generations. We were hiding behind a screen during our teen years (the years when it's crucial to develop your skills with girls)

 

[FlirtLife]

I'm going to share a story that happened 5+ years ago.

A woman took a liking to me when we were both in line to buy some merch at a festival. She ended up spending the rest of the festival with me. She was handsy with me throughout the festival.

We went out to dinner afterwards.

For those of you reading the story, it probably sounds like she was dtf, right?

Here's where the plot twist comes in. After dinner, I told her there's a good view from the rooftop of my building. And I commented I have a fridge to keep her leftovers from spoiling. So, without coming out and telling her I wanted sex (to avoid looking desperate), I was at least hinting.

She ended up going straight home.

I think your rooftop suggestion was good: you paint a romantic picture of being on a rooftop together enjoying the stars...
... but then you spoil the mood by talking about leftovers.

 

[GoodMan32]

I think your rooftop suggestion was good: you paint a romantic picture of being on a rooftop together enjoying the stars. But then you spoil the mood talking about leftovers.

It's a fact her leftovers would have spoiled if they didn't go straight into a fridge. Had I only mentioned the rooftop (and not said anything about the leftovers), I guarantee she would have said she had to get her leftovers home before they spoil. When I mentioned my fridge, I was rebutting her would-be excuse pre-emptively.