Yeah, the dating game evolves through the years.Doesn’t work in 2023. You better learn to text often or you’ll get ghosted fast. That’s outdated **** from 2008.
Yeah, the dating game evolves through the years.Doesn’t work in 2023. You better learn to text often or you’ll get ghosted fast. That’s outdated **** from 2008.
Yet if I was always the one reaching out to her, I could come across as desperate, right?She was leading the interactions and that dried her poozy, bro. You are the man, you lead, she follows. Comply or bye.
No, here's how we met: Her dog came up to me in public.Was this from old? Sounds like a typical old date.
Also never do dinner for a first date. Something simple and cheap. If you click then schedule a real date.
Why didn't you take her back to your place for sex? Talking after dinner -- good option for nightcap at your place.We even chatted for 2 and a half hours (outside) after the dinner. A sure sign she dug me.
You are going to get laid this weekend if you directly pay for sex. Your indirect payment for sex with a dinner didn't work out for you.I probably will buy an escort this weekend.
I haven't dated a whole lot these past 8 years (ever since discovering escorts). For the most part, I've used escorts in lieu of dating. So I'm not really able to answer your question of whether I typically buy an escort when it goes badly with a normal woman.
To answer your last 2 questions, I'd say it's the other way around. I utilize escorts to justify not dating. Escorts are my safety net.
Could very well be an American problem. From what I understand, unlimited phone plans are a lot cheaper here than in most countries. As a result, texting culture is huge with Americans.Never got flaked on setting logistics only. Must be an American problem.
Restaurant. I met her when her dog came up to me in public.Where was the first date OP, and how did you meet her?
I really only have free time (at least enough free time to date) on weekends.The only way to combat texting for days is to set up the meeting after 2 days of getting her number. If you get the number Monday, by Tuesday you should be asking her to meet up with you on Wednesday or Thursday. That way you dint spend a whole week chatting over nothing.
The story is confusing (so I understand the mix up). Here's how it all went down.I believe OP posted SHE initiated the dinner date.
That said and assuming it's what you meant, OP could have suggested something more casual instead. Like drinks at a pub with cool music or something. Sit at the bar next to each other where the opportunity for escalating like kissing and touching is easier (don't tell her that lol) . Maybe share some apps.
Point is OP you need to control the frame, not her.
I agree with others, too much texting gets old and boring. But you should still text to schedule the date and once more prior to touch base, let her know you're still alive and thinking about her. Women really dig that in my experience. If she ends up doing it all, she'll come to resent it which I think is what happened here. And it all went downhill from there including your reaction.
If she texts you, keep it short. Tell her you're looking forward to your date. Remember YOU control the frame.
Not too much, not too little. Keep her wondering while indicating interest. Find the right balance and you're golden!
How did you meet her? If a woman want to go for dinner on the first date, it's usually a bad sign.This past Saturday, I had my first date in ages.
Everything was going well. We chatted quite a bit on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday (She reached out to me first on all 3 of those days). On Monday, she even asked me about getting dinner again this coming weekend (I said yeah). Then on Tuesday, she mentioned the topic again (she was wondering where exactly I wanted to go for dinner).
Yesterday, everything changed. She acted more and more annoyed as the day I went on. So around 6:30 pm, I finally told her "Maybe getting to know each other was a bad idea. I say this because it feels like we're not getting along as well today."
There was some back and forth afterwards (I can elaborate if anyone wants to know). Long story short, she wants nothing to do with me anymore.
This goes to show why I've relied mainly on escorts for the past 8 years. With escorts, there's no drama, nor is there any guesswork of whether you'll get laid (and no, I never even so much as kissed the woman this thread is about).
Yeah, you could have the dinner by yourself instead and do that later. Plan-B right?I probably will buy an escort this weekend.
Do you think that has spoiled you?GoodMan32 said:I haven't dated a whole lot these past 8 years (ever since discovering escorts). For the most part, I've used escorts in lieu of dating. So I'm not really able to answer your question of whether I typically buy an escort when it goes badly with a normal woman.
How many dates with "civvie"s have you been in during the past 8 years, or are you actually saying this is the first date with a "civvie" in 8 years of escortcelling?GoodMan32 said:To answer your last 2 questions, I'd say it's the other way around. I utilize escorts to justify not dating. Escorts are my safety net.
Do you think the outcome would have been different if you used an escort after that date last week if she didn't come home with you and you didn't seal the deal with her? I mean you got the blue-balls and instead of planning another dinner date, or have it come apart like that, isn't that where escortcelling would come in and actually have a constructive purpose?GoodMan32 said:Even with the woman this thread is about, I wasn't exactly looking for a date. The date just sort of happened (I was ultimately the one to ask her to dinner this past weekend, but she took the liking to me first).
Your mindset here is totally correct. You'll find that a good amount of stress and unhappiness men are experiencing originates from their relationships and interactions with women. Your interactions with women should be an overall enjoyable experience that adds some sort of value to your life. This is especially the case for when you are in the early dating phases of a relationship, going out on dates should be fun in my opinion.I have a very low tolerance for stress. The moment a woman starts adding stress to my life, I immediately look for an exit plan.
To me, the only purpose of a woman is to take away stress. That's why once this woman started to become more stress than she was worth, I made a bail attempt.
This looks like she wanted you to lead more. You could've deflected her questions, tell her the dinner location would be a surprise et cetera. Giving her a list of restaurants you like means you are giving her a choice, which means she has to take action choosing the restaurant. If you're afraid she doesn't like the food, you can always ask her about food allergies.Then on Tuesday, she asked me where I wanted to go for dinner the coming weekend. That's when I gave her a list of local places I've tried (and liked). I wanted to see if there were any places she disliked (so as to avoid going to a place where she isn't going to like the food). She liked the sounds of all the places I mentioned. That's when I told her I'd make a GameDay decision the day of (And I thought to myself: There's no way I know on Tuesday what type of food I'm going to be in the mood for on the coming weekend).
Sounds like you went for the cliche (dinner) when that is usually a high investment date and rarely a first date. Better first date would be to tell her you can have drinks later (after 21.00 hours) and keep the date short so she has to work a bit more to get you invested.I was going about my business on Saturday. I wasn't initially looking for a date at all. Then her dog came up me in public. The woman started talking to me (and took a liking to me). I ended up asking her to dinner (which totally isn't like me; I'd typically be way too shy).
Fascinating (the fact you think she wasn't as interested in me as I was in her). Some others on here have said I didn't show enough interest in her.She had low interest this whole time. No high interest woman changes her mind about you that fast. The busy with work related stuff was an excuse, she was just too chicken**** to tell you she wasn’t interested in you as much as you were in her.
Most normie males (average frustrated chumps) have this.It all boils down to you having a scarcity mindset.
Ok, you're right, being a Chad goes beyond looks. Chads exhibit a certain type of behavior too.No I understood him perfectly.
How are you defining a chad? It's more than being tall with model looks that's such a misnomer.
Point being, a chad wouldn't have behaved that way. A chad is bold and confident, he leads and creates opportunities to escalate. Not just sex, but touching and kissing which can lead to sex.
A chad isnt afraid to take risks.. He has a IDGAF attitude and goes for what he wants.
Again not too much, not too little, it's a balance.
I agree you acted too beta, never reaching out, never initiating, you took the role of the woman and she became the man. As another poster said, this dried her p*ssy right up.
No, it's not obvious her upset demeanor on Wednesday had everything to do with me.Another mistake. Believing what women tell you. Course it had everything to do with you, wasn't it obvious?
She lost interest plain and simple. Move on and learn from it.
Well-said. It really is amazing. Guys that would have been viewed as the lowest of the low 100 years ago (or even 50 years ago) are somehow viewed as the biggest catches today.Being a halfway decent human being dries up women these days to be honest. If you aren’t done highly toxic mother f’er with a criminal record and some personality disorder they lose interest. So many women these days have avoidant attatchment personality types.