Why Online Dating(OLD) is the best option for most men

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I will make separate topics on what type of men benefit from Cold Approaching & Warm Approaching/Social Circle Game, but lets start with the most viable option for most men. -
Sure it is the most viable option..

It is the most viable option for men who are afraid to cold approach.

Time and Cost Efficiency: When someone claims that dating apps are a waste of time, it's clear they're just talking without experience in approaching women in the field.
OLD isn't a waste of time.

If the aim is to get as many women as possible, then OLD is just one tool in the toolbox.

But again, most men only use that tool because they are too chicken-sh!t to use one of the other tools (cold approach) because that tool is to big and intimidating.

How is online dating a waste of time when you can swipe and message women while multitasking, like when you're on the toilet, between workout sets, on the treadmill, at work, or on your couch? Cold approaching requires a significant time commitment, and unless you live near a popular spot (which often comes with high rent), you need to consider logistics and social expenses like food, transportation, and drinks.
With all due respect, that's bullsh!t.

Sure, generally speaking, OLD is very convenient for the reasons you mentioned.

But so is cold approaching..unless you are a fat lazy slob who sits on your azz all day (beyond the scope of what you mentioned).

If you actually have a life and do normal sh!t like, I don't know; going grocery shopping...or, going to the gym...or, going to work.

If you live a normal life, you will pass and encounter countless women, all of whom you can approach if you had the balls to do so.

Enhanced Chances of Meeting Outside of Clubs/Bars:
Guess what, cold approach provides that as well.

It is called: DAY GAME.

Do you know what you can do if you want to enhance your chances of meeting women outside of club/bars??

You approach women OUTSIDE OF CLUBS AND BARS.

Elimination of Dead-End Encounters: Dead-end encounters are rejections beyond your control due to factors like a woman's emotional availability, personality preferences, height, race, or the timing of the month. For example, as a person of color in the South, many women may not consider dating a brown guy. Cold approaching random women under these circumstances could result in 99 rejections out of 100, negatively impacting your confidence.
What is this, the 1950's?

Interracial dating is higher in society now more than it has ever been, along with the public approval of it.

So miss me with that bullsh!t.

On dating apps, every girl you match with is open to dating a brown guy, eliminating that barrier. Similarly, for white guys, you can go out, look your best, have great game, and still face rejection for not meeting specific preferences like height, tattoos, vegan lifestyle, or glasses. Wasting 5-10 minutes on a doomed from the start cold approach is more devasting than wasting time on a Tinder conversation. Every girl you match with on online dating has some interest in you for a reason eliminating these Dead-End Encounters.
Yeah, and with cold approach, you eliminate dead in encounters by only approaching women that you are attracted to.

If you (in general) follow my advice and not spend 5-10 minutes talking to the bytch in the first place..then those 15 secs it takes to ask for her number (whether you get it or not) in real time will give you quicker closure than it will take for an online bytch to respond to your messages.

Mitigation of Social Repercussion Risk: Approaching every girl at your workplace risks consequences such as termination or facing allegations. Similarly, hitting on every girl at a party can lead to being escorted out for making women uncomfortable. Mistakes in approaching a girl within your social circle, or even breaking up with one, can result in being excluded from friends and social activities.
Whewww thank goodness there is a big world out there besides workplace or party environments.

Thank goodness there are places like grocery stores, libraries, parks, coffee shops, beaches, malls.

Advantageous Numbers Game: Cold approaching is only viable in a few locations nationwide, and social circle or warm approaches typically yield limited results.
What????? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Dude, that is complete and utter NONSENSE.

WTF are you talking about "few locations national wide".

Women are EVERYWHERE. Wherever there are women, there is the opportunity to cold approach.

???

In contrast, online dating provides access to hundreds of potential matches.
So does cold approaching.

With cold approaching, you have the opportunity to approach hundreds of potential matches, in real time, up close and personal.

I'd rather have azz & titties in front of me, instead of via pictures.

For many men, warm approaches and social circles are not even feasible options. With Tinder, you receive five likes per day, which totals 150 likes per month, while maximizing cold approach efforts, comparable to dating coaches, may result in around 120 approaches.
Um, no.

The difference is, with cold approach, you decide how many women you approach.

To hell with 5 likes per day, I can approach 5 women PER HOUR...easily.

And I am out between 3-5 hours per day.

Now, YOU do the math on that one.

Reduced Threat from "Chads": In warm approach and social circle environments, the presence of a Chad can pose significant competition, with every girl vying for their attention regardless of their relationship status within the group. On dating apps, although these men may receive the most matches, they can only devote their attention to a limited number of connections (1-3 at best). This lowers your chances of directly competing against a "Chad."
Competing against a "Chad"?

Dude, with OLD, you are competing against DOZENS upon DOZENS upon DOZENS of horny men.

Good luck with that.

And those same guys that you are competing with, I'm not.

Because those same guys aren't out in the field cold approaching..so I have the whole bag of money to myself.

Personal Safety: Cold approaching in popular city spots can expose you to encounters with criminals or drunken individuals. Engaging in day game in the wrong area may result in encounters with beta males or police interventions under the guise of "rescuing a distressed woman."
And guess what cold approaching doesn't expose you to?

Catfishing.

Showcasing Instead of Telling: Imagine being a wealthy individual who owns a G-Wagon, travels first class to destinations like Dubai or Monaco, and has a beautiful golden doodle. Instead of verbally boasting about these accomplishments to random women upfront and appearing as a showoff, you can simply present them on your dating profile, allowing hundreds of girls to see them instantly.
Orrr..

You can be a wealthy individual who owns a G-wagon, cold approach a chick, hit it off, and she gradually gets to see what a man she is lucky enough to encounter.
 

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Back in the days we used to organize R&B parties where the ladies got free entrance, men had to pay 25 bucks.

I get this feeling with OLD, especially now there's one big fish swallowing every other small company in the same niche. Monopolize it, then monetize it.

But yeah," testimonies " like this can help a lotta man with giving OLD results, or lack of, a peaceful place instead of letting result on OLD determineyour selfesteem/worth. The truth will come out sooner or later about what's going on with algorithms ect.

E.g apparently you can get shadowbanned. Cool. You get no notification nothing. So what if I am not aware that I was shadowbanned, but yet I get a diamond subscription? Will they undo the ban? Stuff like this will come out in a courtroom some day.
Already is. FCC going after Match LLC. Match LLC also would use inactive profiles and make them active so they show up in your search results. Then you message and never read and no reply. They have also used fake profiles too.
 

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I think the line between what's a cold approach and what's a warm approach is a bit unclear and debatable.
I agree.

There is indeed a spectrum on the approach temp scale.

And it is debatable.

Ay man, you've earned my respect on here and I value your opinion.

Related to this topic..

So, at the place I used to work a couple years ago, there was a chick who worked there.

She worked second shift, and I worked the first.

As the first shift workers completed their shift and the second shift were coming in, she was tasked with standing by the door and ensuring that all workers who were entering the building had masks (COVID protocol) and if they didn't have one, she would give them one.

I noticed that she began giving me STRONG choosing signals when I would leave.

After about 3 days this, I asked her number and got it.

Now, this is obviously not a cold approach, but I added it to my cold approach statistics because as far as Im concerned, if I got the # on a warm approach then it is a safe assumption to conclude that I could have gotten it on a cold approach.

An analogous parallel would be; if I am smart enough to get a PhD, I am smart enough to get a Bachelor's.

:rofl:

What do you think?

Either that or I need to keep separate stats for warm approaches.
 

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@CornbreadFed what type of girls do you target most for OLD, just curious?
Similar girls to me, college degree, career job, likes to travel, or on a path towards it. I guess this is why I am able to click with most girls on Hinge and Bumble because this applies to most of them. I do not fare well with NEET or non educated women.
 

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Similar girls to me, college degree, career job, likes to travel, or on a path towards it. I guess this is why I am able to click with most girls on Hinge and Bumble because this applies to most of them. I do not fare well with NEET or non educated women.
Brunch Girls ;)

They're on Tinder too, 30 somethings with "Long Term Partner+" selected as their intent. :D
 

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OLD is a face game. Women look at the cover picture, if they like the face, they may explore the guys profile.... If you haven't been told by strangers that you are good looking. If you haven't been hit on by sober, attractive women. If people don't give you free stuff and go out of their way to help you. OLD probably won't work for you. My very first Tinder date. A 26 year old Black 6/10 showed me her feed. Literally hundreds of guys messaging her. (I have a fetish for Black women. My first official date, after I got divorced was a Black RN).
 

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My very first Tinder date. A 26 year old Black 6/10 showed me her feed. Literally hundreds of guys messaging her. (I have a fetish for Black women. My first official date, after I got divorced was a Black RN).
I think Black women is like shooting fish in the barrel for most white guys. Most of those hundreds of guys messaging her were probably black or mixed with black right? Statistics have shown that blacks are more likely to reply and deal with white guys then either guys of their own race or guys mixed with black. So you see that if people on here like @MatureDJ, @sangheilios, @NealIRC, who are classic incel complainers, had the same preference as you did, then their incel status on here would be over yesterday. A registered nurse is a high quality lady. It's not like you picked up a hoodrat. White incel people should take your example and be open minded if there is a high quality "other" race. You have said they are more aggressive towards you and you are more passive and going along. Allot of people are incel (myself excluded) because they don't want to date outside their race, don't want to date black girls. A black guy dating a high black girl has to be very established, earn a good income, have a great reputation, whereas a white guy can be a bum and still get a high quality black girl.

How do you handle the disparity of treatment with your Black dates in public? Did you have to take a stand for them? It's allot to sign up for.
 
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I think Black women is like shooting fish in the barrel for most white guys. Most of those hundreds of guys messaging her were probably black or mixed with black right? Statistics have shown that blacks are more likely to reply and deal with white guys then either guys of their own race or guys mixed with black. So you see that if people on here like @MatureDJ, @sangheilios, @NealIRC, who are classic incel complainers, had the same preference as you did, then their incel status on here would be over yesterday. A registered nurse is a high quality lady. It's not like you picked up a hoodrat. White incel people should take your example and be open minded if there is a high quality "other" race. You have said they are more aggressive towards you and you are more passive and going along. Allot of people are incel (myself excluded) because they don't want to date outside their race, don't want to date black girls. A black guy dating a high black girl has to be very established, earn a good income, have a great reputation, whereas a white guy can be a bum and still get a high quality black girl.

How do you handle the disparity of treatment with your Black dates in public? Did you have to take a stand for them? It's allot to sign up for.
The first Black Tinder girl was a University of Utah student. On vacation in the Bay Area. So not a 'hoodrat'. There's really no overt racism in NoCal where I live. No one seems to care about what race dates what race. I find Black women incredibly sexy. and, when I've been sent by work to places like Oakland or Stockton, I wind up meeting super flirtatious Black women (I have a GF so..its moot). Trust me. It takes all my willpower. I was at a convention in Sacramento at a hotel bar. A couple of Black girls came by, asked me to dance with them and shoved their tvts in my face. If it weren't for the several rye drinks already consumed (I suffer from whisky dvck), things could have gone sideways. Black girls are super aggressive,. About as aggressive as Filipiinas. The usual line they give me is; "Hi. Do you want to hang out with me and my friends?" I've heard this line from Black girls from Little Rock to Las Vegas. Even in Arkansas, when I went to hang out with the girl, there was no racial issues.
 

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The first Black Tinder girl was a University of Utah student. On vacation in the Bay Area. So not a 'hoodrat'. There's really no overt racism in NoCal where I live. No one seems to care about what race dates what race. I find Black women incredibly sexy. and, when I've been sent by work to places like Oakland or Stockton, I wind up meeting super flirtatious Black women (I have a GF so..its moot). Trust me. It takes all my willpower. I was at a convention in Sacramento at a hotel bar. A couple of Black girls came by, asked me to dance with them and shoved their tvts in my face. If it weren't for the several rye drinks already consumed (I suffer from whisky dvck), things could have gone sideways. Black girls are super aggressive,. About as aggressive as Filipiinas. The usual line they give me is; "Hi. Do you want to hang out with me and my friends?" I've heard this line from Black girls from Little Rock to Las Vegas. Even in Arkansas, when I went to hang out with the girl, there was no racial issues.
Your other white incel friends, do they like black (or filipina) girls too? Want to settle the looks vs JBW question with these types.
 
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Your other white incel friends, do they like black girls too?
My Strip Club buddy is obsessed with a certian White girl. And my Hapa friend too was trying for a White girl. I'm not sure if they'd consider any other race. Nothing has been said one way or another. My guess, though I have no real evidence, is that they'd take what they could get.
 

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My Strip Club buddy is obsessed with a certian White girl. And my Hapa friend too was trying for a White girl. I'm not sure if they'd consider any other race. Nothing has been said one way or another. My guess, though I have no real evidence, is that they'd take what they could get.
What's amusing is the last time my 'strip club' buddy and I went out (earlier this year), I wound up with spending time driniking and dancing with a Black girl from LA who was in SF trying to get her art club start-up. We did a little fondling, but nothing beyond that.
 

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My Strip Club buddy is obsessed with a certian White girl. And my Hapa friend too was trying for a White girl. I'm not sure if they'd consider any other race. Nothing has been said one way or another. My guess, though I have no real evidence, is that they'd take what they could get.
It would be interesting to find out seeing that most guys on here are obsessed with white girls or it looks like most prolific white incel posters are really fakecells that refuse to date outside their own race. You should broach the question the next time you hang-out with them. They might have an easier time if they expand their horizons. But I guess even they are not throwing themselves aggressively at your friends as they are with you?
 

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It would be interesting to find out seeing that most guys on here are obsessed with white girls or it looks like most prolific white incel posters are really fakecells that refuse to date outside their own race. You should broach the question the next time you hang-out with them. They might have an easier time if they expand their horizons. But I guess even they are not throwing themselves aggressively at your friends as they are with you? I must be the only non-fakecel incel on here, lol!
Yeah. We're going to hang out soon. Hopefully in July. When we hang out I'll ask them But. Girls see them as invisible. As an example. Me and about 6 of my buddies were playing a card game at a local cafe.(we are nerds). A girl and her wing came up and started chatting me up. Showing me her phone and asking stupid questions just to start a conversation. They completly ignored my friends, as if they didn;t exist. They were two Latinas. Mid 20's. The wing was fat. But the main girl was about a 6-7/10. So...not throwing themselves aggressly at all at my friends.
 

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Yeah. We're going to hang out soon. Hopefully in July. When we hang out I'll ask them But. Girls see them as invisible. As an example. Me and about 6 of my buddies were playing a card game at a local cafe.(we are nerds). A girl and her wing came up and started chatting me up. Showing me her phone and asking stupid questions just to start a conversation. They completly ignored my friends, as if they didn;t exist. They were two Latinas. Mid 20's. The wing was fat. But the main girl was about a 6-7/10. So...not throwing themselves aggressly at all at my friends.
Great, please do that when you see them in July and let us know! So, two girls were both hitting on you, including the fat wing-lady? They were both competing over you or were they looking for a FFM threesome? It's just curious as a wing-lady normally supposed to hit on someone else in the group while the main girl focus on you. Did you get laid with one or both of them?

Did you get the same reaction with Black and Filipina girls too? Your 6 buddies, you've mentioned one of them was White, and the other was Happa, how about the other four? Lets say you go to conventions with your friends and you mentioned you hung out with a black girl(s) that came on to you. Where were your friends when you were with these girls?
 

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Cold approaching requires a significant time commitment, and unless you live near a popular spot (which often comes with high rent), you need to consider logistics and social expenses like food, transportation, and drinks. And don't even start with complaints about paying for Tinder Gold; it costs about the same as a drink at a bar or an Uber ride.
I can only speak for myself, but as far as time commitment goes, when school was still in session where I'm at, I was out for less than an hour a week, taking home girls. My total expenses for a night out, including drinks+Uber, came out to around $32. Granted $32 is more than the price of an Uber ride/Tinder Gold, but I think of that as the added cost for the privilege of being able to hookup with the hot girls you match with online, but never manage to meetup with.
Enhanced Chances of Meeting Outside of Clubs/Bars: Dating apps provide the best opportunity to meet women in non-club or bar settings.

Some women give dating apps a try after a breakup or relocating to a new area. In a club or cold approach scenario, you would have never crossed paths with these women because they rarely leave their house or vicinity of social circle.
Same as how some women will go out with their social circle to the bars after a breakup or relocating to a new area.
Elimination of Dead-End Encounters: Dead-end encounters are rejections beyond your control due to factors like a woman's emotional availability, personality preferences, height, race, or the timing of the month. For example, as a person of color in the South, many women may not consider dating a brown guy. Cold approaching random women under these circumstances could result in 99 rejections out of 100, negatively impacting your confidence. On dating apps, every girl you match with is open to dating a brown guy, eliminating that barrier.
If you time it right, the majority of the girls you come across, will actually be sexually available, which eliminates the dead end encounters you're talking about. I am however not black nor live in the south, so can't speak on your '99 out of 100 rejections', but I am a brown guy in a predominately (95%) white town, with a hot white girlfriend. If I took your 99/100 rejections at face value, there's no chance I would be with her right now, especially considering the fact that she doesn't meet guys online.
With Tinder, you receive five likes per day, which totals 150 likes per month, while maximizing cold approach efforts, comparable to dating coaches, may result in around 120 approaches.
And out of those 150 likes, how many of those girls are actually hot?
And out of those hot girls, how many of them do you get to meetup with you, let alone lay?
If you know what your doing, you don't need to approach that much to get results anyway.
Reduced Threat from "Chads": In warm approach and social circle environments, the presence of a Chad can pose significant competition, with every girl vying for their attention regardless of their relationship status within the group. On dating apps, although these men may receive the most matches, they can only devote their attention to a limited number of connections (1-3 at best). This lowers your chances of directly competing against a "Chad."
So then be Chad.
Showcasing Instead of Telling: Imagine being a wealthy individual who owns a G-Wagon, travels first class to destinations like Dubai or Monaco, and has a beautiful golden doodle. Instead of verbally boasting about these accomplishments to random women upfront and appearing as a showoff, you can simply present them on your dating profile, allowing hundreds of girls to see them instantly.
Try hard and not even necessary to lay hot girls anyway.
 

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Great, please do that when you see them in July and let us know! So, two girls were both hitting on you, including the fat wing-lady? They were both competing over you or were they looking for a FFM threesome? It's just curious as a wing-lady normally supposed to hit on someone else in the group while the main girl focus on you. Did you get laid with one or both of them?

Did you get the same reaction with Black and Filipina girls too? Your 6 buddies, you've mentioned one of them was White, and the other was Happa, how about the other four? Lets say you go to conventions with your friends and you mentioned you hung out with a black girl(s) that came on to you. Where were your friends when you were with these girls?
So. the fat girl was the wing. She was supporting her friend. Not competing. I had a GF so nothing came of it. Was kind of chaotic as they totally interrupted our game. It was actually an official league game. a rule lafter that had to be created to deal with girls interrupting a game.

my gamer friends are mostly White. some Asians. One Hapa. Some are incels. Some have GFs/wives. The convention I mentioned where the Black girls shoved their tvts in my face. zi was with s buddy. Who knows my GF. I texted him. Begging him to come to the bar. He slept and ignored me. I wound up making out with one of the girls & svcking her tvts in her car. luckey the rye disabled my dvck. Funny. The bartender was a super cool Black guy who looked like Felix Leiter from
the James Bond movies. I’m sure he got mad play.
 
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