Why the wall for men is much worse than the wall for females

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^^Interesting.

Men of all ages preferring young women is nothing new.

However, women preferring men their own age across the board.. is new, and odd. Don't know quite what to make of that. I'm assuming it doesn't account for men that are outliers for their age.
 

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Here's an Article about it from Bustle...some chick site apparently. Due to the nature of the article, there's surprisingly not as much man bashing as you'd expect. OkCupid Says Men Are Most Attracted to 20-Year-Olds, and Here's Why It Totally Doesn't Matter (bustle.com)

Found this quote somewhat relatable:
Though many of us consider hotness a primary priority when dating in our late teens, when we get older, that generally begins to come second to the kind of qualities that make a man someone you're able to spend the next 20-60 years around without constantly wanting to fake your own death. And —shockingly!— men who want to partner up also want to find someone who's actually pleasant to be around and build a life with
This statement says they want to build a life with someone that's pleasant to be around.

Shocker.

"pleasant to be around" can be up for interpretation, and I'm sure they didn't want to admit their own shallowness but still...
 

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^^Interesting.

Men of all ages preferring young women is nothing new.

However, women preferring men their own age across the board.. is new, and odd. Don't know quite what to make of that. I'm assuming it doesn't account for men that are outliers for their age.
Media has been pushing younger men/older women for a good bit now, and I'm sure it's odder now than it was at the time of the study. What's interesting is the 8 year gap for 46-48 y/o women, compared to a 5 year gap before than age and a 4 year gap after. A 48 y/o woman prefers a 40 year old man, but a 49 y/0 woman prefers a 45 year old man. Prime cougar years followed by sudden insecurity once approaching 50?
Here's an Article about it from Bustle...some chick site apparently. Due to the nature of the article, there's surprisingly not as much man bashing as you'd expect. OkCupid Says Men Are Most Attracted to 20-Year-Olds, and Here's Why It Totally Doesn't Matter (bustle.com)

Found this quote somewhat relatable:


This statement says they want to build a life with someone that's pleasant to be around.

Shocker.

"pleasant to be around" can be up for interpretation, and I'm sure they didn't want to admit their own shallowness but still...
"Pleasant to be around" in w0manese means conforming to whatever the current consensus is.

Why is w0manese is a banned word on this site?
 
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$60k at 30 is decent but not likely to impress women. Your salary and lifestyle become a more important part of Game as you age. A $60k/year salaried 30 year old won't impress 26-29 year old childless women.

Here's a scenario I discussed on another recent thread that didn't get a lot of comments.

-40 year old White man
-$90,000-$120,000 annual salary from a white collar job
-little to no debt, bachelor's or advanced level degree is either fully paid off or mostly paid off, non-housing debt is minimal
-6.5 in looks, not overweight, goes to gym and/or plays a sport regularly (in adequate shape but not like a @sangheilios top guy at the gym status). Less than 3 tattoos and none visible
-5'9"-5'11" in height, specifically keeping this height around average and not at women's 6'0"+ preference
-Some Game knowledge but by no means an expert
-Social circle is mostly married people with children. Guy has effectively no social circle options
-Lives in a metro area with 500,000+ in population

Who is going to be interested in this man for an LTR when his options are swipe apps, social media DMs, and cold approaches?

Despite this man being a decent option, he'll struggle to get attention regardless of which method he chooses.

The majority of childless women close to his own age won't be impressed with his income or possessions despite his salary being decent. Childless women close to his own age are careerists. Many of them have gotten preferential treatment in hiring and their salaries are close to equal.

His income, possessions, and net worth are not large enough to get a childless woman 10-15 years younger.

He's most appealing to single moms close to his own age looking for beta bucks.
That is why self improvement does not work after a certain age Even if he was siccessful he would just end up betabuxmaxxing with a dead bedroom at best.
 

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$175k might be super competitive in bum frick Kansas, but not in Los Angeles. Y’all must be going for some low hanging fruit lol.
There's a lot more to attraction then the transactional aspects of it. What you are talking about here is the competition amongst betas.
 

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You gotta learn to be happy with yourself. You can’t be afraid to be alone, not everyone needs to be with someone. Honestly if you’re happy making $75k a year, playing video games, living in a small house or apartment, that’s all that matters. I’ll admit, I’ve never been the best with women, I’m in my early 40’s never married no kids and I am always having to answer questions “why?”. I flip it around back on them, “if you think me never being married means I’m afraid of commitment what does it say about you that you’ve proven you’re afraid of lifetime commitment and chose to break it and have the track record to prove it” they usually shut up and move on with a shocked look on their face or call me an ******* lol I would honestly rather be single than be miserable with someone who was settling for me or constantly disrespected me. I don’t hardly dare anymore, it’s not a priority of mine to put myself out there and the weird thing is I get more interest now than when I was putting myself out there and trying to be “mr perfect man”. I don’t care if some woman thinks I don’t make enough, I’m not going to argue with her about it, I’m not going to worry if some woman thinks it’s weird that I travel alone, I’m just at a point in life where I don’t explain myself to anyone anymore.
 

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Bro, do you know any hot 50 year old women? No, me neither. Apart from maybe Jennifer Lopez. I’m 52 and nobody is pining over 50 year old women. By this age they are reaching menopause and penis is the last thing they are looking for. Not to mention they are set in their ways and opinionated af. The majority of women I know past 40 have huge asses and you wouldn’t bother with them anyway. The wall for women is worse because they got a free pass starting at 18 while men have to make something of themselves. By 30, they realize that the free pass is expiring and they need to cash in. Every progressive year gets worse.

This fictional John guy needs to level up and get a better job. I guess is depends where you live and what lifestyle you want to live. That sounds like an entry level job out of college. Hell, In-and Out Burger is paying $18/hr for teenagers to flip burgers in my town.
 

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Bro, do you know any hot 50 year old women? No, me neither. Apart from maybe Jennifer Lopez. I’m 52 and nobody is pining over 50 year old women.
Guilty. I made a long thread on it lmao. She was an extreme outlier though.
 

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There's a lot more to attraction then the transactional aspects of it. What you are talking about here is the competition amongst betas.
I don’t give a flip about the bottom 95% because you are actually competing against the top 5%.
 

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By 30, they realize that the free pass is expiring and they need to cash in. Every progressive year gets worse.
Things are devolving at such a rate that we may soon reach a point where each passing year for them gets better
 

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nobody is pining over 50 year old women.
There are plenty of stories of women 50-65 getting their inboxes filled up on dating websites like Match and OurTime. The newest crop of 50 year olds are probably using swipe apps. There's still plenty of demand for a 50 year old woman.

This fictional John guy needs to level up and get a better job. I guess is depends where you live and what lifestyle you want to live. That sounds like an entry level job out of college.
$70k at age 37 for the fictional John guy isn't too bad. He's not living a major metro and there's a low COL in that scenario. There's no guarantee that he can level up without some major, time consuming life adjustments. And how much more can he level up? Even if he got to $110k at 40 in a bigger metro, it's not going to make that much of a difference.
 

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I don’t give a flip about the bottom 95% because you are actually competing against the top 5%.
Women are either attracted to what you have or who you are.
 

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There are plenty of stories of women 50-65 getting their inboxes filled up on dating websites like Match and OurTime. The newest crop of 50 year olds are probably using swipe apps. There's still plenty of demand for a 50 year old woman.



$70k at age 37 for the fictional John guy isn't too bad. He's not living a major metro and there's a low COL in that scenario. There's no guarantee that he can level up without some major, time consuming life adjustments. And how much more can he level up? Even if he got to $110k at 40 in a bigger metro, it's not going to make that much of a difference.
What John needs is swag.
 

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Women are either attracted to what you have or who you are.
Let’s use one of my exes for example then: She was just a cute blonde, small tits, but had a nice booty. Nothing really to ride home about IMHO, but I had just moved to the city and she was the first interesting girl that finally caught my eye. I met her on hinge and we had sex relatively soon. She was also a career woman studying to become a Physician Assistant. The majority of the guys I beat out on Hinge were beta losers like you said, but the guys I was competing for her attention against was her ex, a current starting player on Kansas City Chiefs that lived here, and a rich Chad orthopedic surgeon. Again, this girl wasn’t anything special at all imho, but these were the guys I was competing against for her attention. Of course, I ended up losing her and she was bat shvt crazy anyway, but my point is to not worry about the 95% of competition because they are irrelevant. Yes, having game and money will easily put you at the top 5%, but sometimes you are going to be the bottom half of the top 5% regardless. If this is the competition for a 8/10 girl imagine what you are competing against for a 9 or 10 lol.
 

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$70k at age 37 for the fictional John guy isn't too bad. He's not living a major metro and there's a low COL in that scenario. There's no guarantee that he can level up without some major, time consuming life adjustments. And how much more can he level up? Even if he got to $110k at 40 in a bigger metro, it's not going to make that much of a difference.
Anything under 200k Isn’t going to be able to compete against an advanced professional career guy such as a doctor, lawyer, some engineers, pilots, and finance bros. He could do sales, but that doesn’t carry the same clout as a doctor. A doctor that makes hell 100k less than a decent sales/sales manager is still going to appeal more sexually to a female because of the prestige in the profession.
 

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Anything under 200k Isn’t going to be able to compete against an advanced professional career guy such as a doctor, lawyer, some engineers, pilots, and finance bros. He could do sales, but that doesn’t carry the same clout as a doctor. A doctor that makes hell 100k less than a decent sales/sales manager is still going to appeal more sexually to a female because of the prestige in the profession.
Why you even on this site? Why not just join the forum HowToBecomeA-Dr.com
 

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Anything under 200k Isn’t going to be able to compete against an advanced professional career guy such as a doctor, lawyer, some engineers, pilots, and finance bros. He could do sales, but that doesn’t carry the same clout as a doctor. A doctor that makes hell 100k less than a decent sales/sales manager is still going to appeal more sexually to a female because of the prestige in the profession.
Unless he's after a woman who has no career/job, even $100-150k is enough.

Women only care about income as much as you're saying if they intend to marry a beta bux. These days women are "empowered" and largely have their own sources of income which is why so many men are struggling. They don't need a guy pulling in $200k, they need a guy with a good personality and good looks. Which is honestly a great thing, because they're dating a man for who he is and not what he can provide.

Salary isn't even a parameter that comes up on dates, and if it does, the girl probably isn't worth it.
 

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Why you even on this site? Why not just join the forum HowToBecomeA-Dr.com
Actually, I got an idea. You and UglyBastard should team up and start your own site. He can handle the looks category and you can handle the status category. Then you can battle out to see which one will get you a girlfriend or laid or whatever.
 

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Unless he's after a woman who has no career/job, even $100-150k is enough.

Women only care about income as much as you're saying if they intend to marry a beta bux. These days women are "empowered" and largely have their own sources of income which is why so many men are struggling. They don't need a guy pulling in $200k, they need a guy with a good personality and good looks. Which is honestly a great thing, because they're dating a man for who he is and not what he can provide.

Salary isn't even a parameter that comes up on dates, and if it does, the girl probably isn't worth it.
One, I have never heard of a doctor or lawyer struggling for women even in the black pill communities.

Second, I agree that most women do not need a guy that is pulling 200k and higher. However, if she has a choice between you or some Chad Lawyer or Professional Athlete; you are going to more than likely lose that battle regardless of how RP ALPHA MALE claim to be. It’s like if you had a choice between a 10/10 or a 6/10 that told you that she would fvck you and cook breakfast for you in the morning, you are going to take your chances with the 10/10 hands down lol. In Smithville, Ohio, sureeeee 100k is sufficient enough to raise your value and make you a top 1% male in The community. However, in Los Angeles, 100k is pennies and your competition raises drastically.
 
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