The whole "women lose value at 30" thing doesn't work anymore now that people are aging slower.

[Veréngárda]

I shouldn't have to preface this with proving that people are aging slower now.

Go touch some grass? Look at old photos of people and then look up the ages involved like a grown adult?



^^^ 1958. She was 32 when this picture was taken. Thirty.. ****ing.. two.

You showed me this and asked me how old I thought she was, I'd tell you early 50s.

There are some smoking 30-40 year old women out there. I'm saying this at 25 btw.

So this idea has zero reason to continue. Unless of course by "value" you mean "number of eggs left."

First of all, I don't even know if that notion is true.

Second of all, even if it was.. yep, having the passion in your relationship diminish early because you decided to raise ****-trophies. I can't POSSIBLY think of anything more appealing.

Maybe work on killing your baby-fever before you so much as utter another word ever.

 

[Mike32ct]

A lot of people smoked in the 50s. It’s much less popular today. That might be one factor.

 

[Gamisch]

I shouldn't have to preface this with proving that people are aging slower now.

Go touch some grass? Look at old photos of people and then look up the ages involved like a grown adult?

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^^^ 1958. She was 32 when this picture was taken. Thirty.. ****ing.. two.

You showed me this and asked me how old I thought she was, I'd tell you early 50s.

There are some smoking 30-40 year old women out there. I'm saying this at 25 btw.

So this idea has zero reason to continue. Unless of course by "value" you mean "number of eggs left."

First of all, I don't even know if that notion is true.

Second of all, even if it was.. yep, having the passion in your relationship diminish early because you decided to raise ****-trophies. I can't POSSIBLY think of anything more appealing.

Maybe work on killing your baby-fever before you so much as utter another word ever.

You also gotta realize lighting, make up , hairstyle ect literally make her look old fashioned.

The wall is true while it's a lie. It's true because it's a fact most women lose their looks around 35, and she will have to compete with women who are younger and more attractive .

It's a lie because the wall is a RP cope to assure men get a form of " payback" while in reality a 50 y.o women with below average looks can easily find a 30 y.o man way above her SMV. There is always a man who wants free pvssy and is willing ti lower his standards .

At 25 you should aim for women 18-23. By the time you are 30 or should be 23-28 . After 35 or something you'll understand the sentiment behind the wall.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I think the age pill/wall thing is a whole cope lol

 

[SW15]

I think the age pill/wall thing is a whole cope lol

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think – Roosh Valizadeh

One popular maxim of the manosphere is the wall. It goes something like this: Once a girl is done riding the **** carousel, she will find herself at an age and lower attractiveness where she can no longer get the alpha male she wants. She will then have no choice but to load up on cats or find a lo

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I agree women dont lose that much value at 30 because of online dating.

They don't. These days, a woman in her 30s has a ton of options if she uses a swipe apps. If you were a 30-35 year old single, childless woman in 1990, you would only get dates if you took yourself out to bars or other private/semi-private events multiple days a week OR had a a good social circle. Today, all you need to find dates at that age is installing a swipe app and/or using Instagram.

 

[Bokanovsky]

The wall still exists but it has moved by about half-a-decade. After 35, even healthy women in good shape start to lose their looks quite perceptibly. Some age better than others but by and large there is nothing you can do about genetics.

 

[Who Dares Win]

If the wall didnt exist we wouldnt have women in their late 30s blowing thousands of dollars for fillers, botox and surgery.

You cant tell how good someone is doing in terms of attractiveness from the money spend to increase it.

You dont have 20 yrs old girls doing botox as much as you dont have tall muscular chads wining and dining girls.

 

[Pandora]

The wall is real for commitment to higher value guys. The wall is not talking about sex. They can get sex even at 50. But the men they really like will never commit. Only losers commit to older chicks.

 

[IKO69]

If we are honest, the average woman at age 30 won't look like complete ****. There are women in their 30's that do look good, especially if they take care of themselves. I've smashed women in their early 30's.

There is a reason why a lot begin to freak out as they approach their 30th birthday - they know the party is winding down; That they are closer to their expiration date and soon it's to the discount bin they go. As pointed out by others there are women in their 20's who begin to use botox because the idea of this disturbs them (how crazy is that?). They genuinely begin to panic as they approach this age and don't have their life in order (secured a man).

What is off-putting is not so much any sort of physical deterioration as much as mental. At 30, the regret begins to set in and she has likely gone through a fair number of men by then. All the bitterness and jadedness from failed relationships and c*ck-carousel riding emerges to the surface.

 

[CBear]

Nah bro the wall is still there. It's just as much mental as it is physical. Even if a single 30+ year old woman is still somewhat keeping up with father time by exercising and maintaining a healthy diet, you can still see from the way she carries herself and just from looking at her eyes that she's tired, resentful, and lacks the fun and playful attitude that she once had. The anxiety is there, no matter how hard she plays it off/tries to hide it.

 

[The Duke]

I've dated 3 or 4 of the hottest late 30's - early 40's women while I was younger than them by a few years. These girls all looked 10yrs younger than they were. They all had great bodies, good faces, barely any wrinkles, and were in demand. I asked them why don't you date guys your own age or older. They all said because they didn't want a guy with a dad bod, wrinkles, or that was tired all the time, or low sex drive, etc. So it works both ways.

The most attractive women will still be in demand regardless of their age.

My 70yo mom has a 70 yo female friend and when they go shopping her friend always gets hit on. Older men still find this 70yo women attractive enough to flirt with her.

My early 40's sister is probably 25lbs over weight but wears it well and has a very pretty face. Guys hit on her all the time.

Life isn't so black and white, and can be quite relative. The more you see, the more you will understand. Sure a girl in her early to mid 20's will never be more attractive but some of you make it sound like they lose all value once they hit 30. I'm telling you that is so far from the truth.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Sure a girl in her early to mid 20's will never be more attractive but some of you make it sound like they lose all value once they hit 30.

They do lose all value. This is not a debate.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

All of y’all wall screamers need to come to my gym then. Yesterday, this 35-40 year old Pocahontas dime looked better than all of the young girls there.

 

[Kotaix]

People aren't aging slower now, they're just more in denial over it and paying out the a$$ not to show it. When you know what to look for, then it gets pretty obvious.

Maybe work on killing your baby-fever before you so much as utter another word ever.

^^
You'd do well to rid yourself of this condescending attitude.

 

[HaleyBaron]

All of y’all wall screamers need to come to my gym then. Yesterday, this 35-40 year old Pocahontas dime looked better than all of the young girls there.

No one cares.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

No one cares.

yet I see this dumb topic every week. The people that scream”THE WALL” have absolutely nothing to bring to the table so their last resort for a feel good cope is well her value decreases after 25. Get off the stupid pill shvt and get your lazy entitled ass out and cold approach or something. The vast majority of older men I see are fat, balding and not aging like Greek Spartan wine like the pill gurus tell me.

 

[HaleyBaron]

yet I see this dumb topic every week. The people that scream”THE WALL” have absolutely nothing to bring to the table so their last resort for a feel good cope is well her value decreases after 25. Get off the stupid pill shvt and get your lazy entitled ass out and cold approach or something.

A woman value decreases after 25.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

A woman value decreases after 25.

copium

 

[Atom Smasher]

I see the wall as very real, but layered according to men’s perceptions.
You can look at a 35 year old and think she’s pretty hot from a macro level. Study her a little more, and you can see some signs of age. Look deeper, and you start to notice those wrinkles that are just starting, the beginnings of the loss of jaw bone mass, the eyes and mouth that are just starting to droop.

I think we men tend to “pretty them up” on our initial viewings, but then over a short period of time a more realistic view intrudes on our illusions. Our first response is to face paint, clothing, and overall figure. We idealize these things at first. But that wears off.

I’ve noticed that as I’ve gotten older and more perceptive, you can see aging in women at the tender age of 28. That’s when the first little signs of wear snd tear appear.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I see the wall as very real, but layered according to men’s perceptions.
You can look at a 35 year old and think she’s pretty hot from a macro level. Study her a little more, and you can see some signs of age. Look deeper, and you start to notice those wrinkles that are just starting, the beginnings of the loss of jaw bone mass, the eyes and mouth that are just starting to droop.

I think we men tend to “pretty them up” on our initial viewings, but then over a short period of time a more realistic view intrudes on our illusions. Our first response is to face paint, clothing, and overall figure. We idealize these things at first. But that wears off.

I’ve noticed that as I’ve gotten older and more perceptive, you can see aging in women at the tender age of 28. That’s when the first little signs of wear snd tear appear.

Would you rather take a hot 35 year old woman that's kept herself in shape or a 20 year old overweight Gen Z with tats living at her parents?