How am I meant to cope at 5'4?

[zekko]

The trouble is that most men simply don’t believe this. Women’s perceptions are malleable. Again, most men don’t believe this.

Agree, most women will compromise, at least a little. But as you say, most men don't believe this, it isn't what the manosphere pushes. But it's impossible to get through life without compromising, even for women.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Some insight about women:

Let’s say she has a list of 10 “musts” in a partner. Let’s assume it’s a fairly reasonable list. If you reasonably fulfill 7 or 8 of the qualities she is looking for, almost all women will gladly strike the other two completely off the list.

That means if you’re on the shorter end of the spectrum but have a good portion of your act together, height will no longer be an issue. This might not apply to 100% of women, but it will for the vast majority.

The trouble is that most men simply don’t believe this. Women’s perceptions are malleable. Again, most men don’t believe this.

Lost my V card, and then dated a girl who liked ‘tall, skinny long-haired rocker dudes’. I fitted none of those criteria. Women are malleable.

 

[MatureDJ]

i genuinely can not cope at this height man.

90% of women will reject me based off height alone (im 163cm)

its like i was born with a 100x worse life then just left to it, with no help, its cruel. and all the people living the 100x better lives than me live right next to me, everywere in the world. im the only one, and ive just got to watch as everyone but me enjoys life

im lost, i dont know what to do,

You need to take a big, brutal taste of the HeightPill (look at the video up to 02:10:15).

 

[2Rocky]

i genuinely can not cope at this height man.

View attachment 7845

90% of women will reject me based off height alone (im 163cm)

and that doesnt include all the ones who will reject me for face, career, other things

And the 10% who do accept will probably be the fat or deformed ones. and why would they date me when a 5'4 guy is so rare. and so ****. but a 5'10 guy is so common, and perfect, and they can easily get them

but height doesnt just effect dating life

it effects social life too. no one wants to be seen with the 5'4 guy. easy target for bullying. will be disrespected everywhere and by everyone

im not treated like an actual human. im treated like vermin, at my last job, on my first day none of the women would even say hi to me, they just purposely completely blanked me. before i even got to open my mouth.

and 1 of them didnt say a word to me for the entire 6 months i was there even tho we worked right next to eachother. she'd give 1 word replies and lok at me in disgust if i tried to make convo. but then she'd go and speak to all staff members and all customers like a normal person.

I cant even cope with money. short guys are statistically WAYYY less likely to be CEO's or earn more money.

Literally every odd is against me in every part of life just because i was born with slightly shorter limbs.

Also some guy got mad at me saying these things are happening to me because of my mindset.

My mindset was fine, the experiences in my life caused me to have this mindset

no dad or anyone to help, just a fat jobless retarded single mother to 'raise' me.

its like i was born with a 100x worse life then just left to it, with no help, its cruel. and all the people living the 100x better lives than me live right next to me, everywere in the world. im the only one, and ive just got to watch as everyone but me enjoys life

im lost, i dont know what to do,

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Tell that to people born with deformities, or rare conditions. Tell that to burn victims that look like freddy kreuger. Tell that to guys born with micro penises who are taller than 6ft. I'd rather be rejected for being short, than having a micro penis.

this doesn’t help op or anyone in a similar situation whatsoever

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

OP, If I'm honest, I never understood the whole height debate guys have in the forum.

First off, most chicks I see are typically like 5'1, 5'2...they couldn't be larger than a garden gnome. I'm 5'7 and rarely run into women much taller than me. I'm no NBA player, but I never saw it as a big deal.

In fact, years ago in Miami, I slept with a woman much taller than me (must've been at least 6 feet). Hilariously enough, I did mention to her that she was a bit taller than me. "I don't give a **** if you don't," was her response. At the night's end, she treated my Weiner with passion and energy, comparable to how jake_gyllnhaal69 treats his keyboard when starting useless threads. Go figure my stupid ass went all blue pill on her just a few weeks later. That's another story.

Anyway, I'm sure height plays somewhat of a factor, but I really don't think women value it as much as you think dude.

I think your lack of confidence from being 5'4 is what kills you and thus sets you off in this vicious cycle of blaming yourself for something you don't have control of.

*edit* Also, just off the top of the head Kevin Hart comes to mind. He's 5'2, and look at what he's done? So think of him whenever you want to sh1t on yourself for something so trivial.

Literally this lmao

Edit…I literally live rent free in this posters head, he is name dropping me in every other post. Who the fvck is this kid lmao

 

[SmoothSmooth]

i genuinely can not cope at this height man.

View attachment 7845

90% of women will reject me based off height alone (im 163cm)

and that doesnt include all the ones who will reject me for face, career, other things

And the 10% who do accept will probably be the fat or deformed ones. and why would they date me when a 5'4 guy is so rare. and so ****. but a 5'10 guy is so common, and perfect, and they can easily get them

but height doesnt just effect dating life

it effects social life too. no one wants to be seen with the 5'4 guy. easy target for bullying. will be disrespected everywhere and by everyone

im not treated like an actual human. im treated like vermin, at my last job, on my first day none of the women would even say hi to me, they just purposely completely blanked me. before i even got to open my mouth.

and 1 of them didnt say a word to me for the entire 6 months i was there even tho we worked right next to eachother. she'd give 1 word replies and lok at me in disgust if i tried to make convo. but then she'd go and speak to all staff members and all customers like a normal person.

I cant even cope with money. short guys are statistically WAYYY less likely to be CEO's or earn more money.

Literally every odd is against me in every part of life just because i was born with slightly shorter limbs.

Also some guy got mad at me saying these things are happening to me because of my mindset.

My mindset was fine, the experiences in my life caused me to have this mindset

no dad or anyone to help, just a fat jobless retarded single mother to 'raise' me.

its like i was born with a 100x worse life then just left to it, with no help, its cruel. and all the people living the 100x better lives than me live right next to me, everywere in the world. im the only one, and ive just got to watch as everyone but me enjoys life

im lost, i dont know what to do,

why do you assume it’s your height which is the problem?
Do you earn 6 figures?
Do you have any cool skills or hobbies?

I know a 5’4 guy dating a 5’5 blonde (with an 8/10) face. She’s super feminine and lots of guys would love to f*ck her. The guy has a great STEM degree and is also a DJ. Most of the guys complaining about the black pill are either socially awkward or don’t have a good place in the masculine ‘dominance hierarchy’ (job, money, power, coolness, hobbies and skills)

the key is to acquire power in the eyes of men (being seen as confident, resourceful, and high status) instead of defining yourself by your body (which is what women do). Also to not have any insecurities because that’s an instant turn off to women (even a 6’2 handsome rich guy with clear insecurities will not get laid)

don’t trust the things you see on the internet.

As a man, your greatest strengths in life are your intelligence, your ambition, your confidence, your ability to act logically etc NOT YOUR BODY or LOOKS.

tinder matches RARELY translate to dates in the real world…except with whales and unattractive women

 

[Billtx49]

*

im lost, i dont know what to do,

Short of a miracle, Every man that made that statement Did lose.
Eventually every man needs to decide and plan to win Or lose in his life…

 

[zekko]

According to Google, Joe Rogan is 5'8".
I don't know a lot about Rogan, but I know he is a gym rat and is proficient at martial arts. I wouldn't consider his height to be much of a handicap, if any, but I'm sure the above makes up for a lot.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

i genuinely can not cope at this height man.

View attachment 7845

90% of women will reject me based off height alone (im 163cm)

and that doesnt include all the ones who will reject me for face, career, other things

And the 10% who do accept will probably be the fat or deformed ones. and why would they date me when a 5'4 guy is so rare. and so ****. but a 5'10 guy is so common, and perfect, and they can easily get them

but height doesnt just effect dating life

it effects social life too. no one wants to be seen with the 5'4 guy. easy target for bullying. will be disrespected everywhere and by everyone

im not treated like an actual human. im treated like vermin, at my last job, on my first day none of the women would even say hi to me, they just purposely completely blanked me. before i even got to open my mouth.

and 1 of them didnt say a word to me for the entire 6 months i was there even tho we worked right next to eachother. she'd give 1 word replies and lok at me in disgust if i tried to make convo. but then she'd go and speak to all staff members and all customers like a normal person.

I cant even cope with money. short guys are statistically WAYYY less likely to be CEO's or earn more money.

Literally every odd is against me in every part of life just because i was born with slightly shorter limbs.

Also some guy got mad at me saying these things are happening to me because of my mindset.

My mindset was fine, the experiences in my life caused me to have this mindset

no dad or anyone to help, just a fat jobless retarded single mother to 'raise' me.

its like i was born with a 100x worse life then just left to it, with no help, its cruel. and all the people living the 100x better lives than me live right next to me, everywere in the world. im the only one, and ive just got to watch as everyone but me enjoys life

im lost, i dont know what to do,

I'm not able to comment. Miscers refer to the following as manlet.

Do the opposite.

Find mentors. Fellas who are statistical outliers. Go be that. The king of Comedy was Jerry Seinfeld. Kevin Hart and Dave Chappelle have taken that spot. Kevin hart is midgets stats and he owns it. He acted gangster and kicked his feet on a stool where his feet never touched the ground. Hilarious skit.

There's a dude in Brazil with absurd amounts of in fields and call out vids. He's the giant from jack in the bean stock. Buddy says he has game and acknowledged he has height. Owns it. There's no denying that it's an advantage.

Own it. Move on. You can't change it. Been in the game for ages. Not listening to pods about dunking on single mom's or rants about hypergamy. Game as in getting girls. Go get girls. Approach and pull. Avoid black pill and married house husband's on YouTube.

The best playboy's and naturals I knew were not crazy tall. I don't know your conversion here in the UK. I just know outliers that crushed it. Be that guy.

 

[BadBoy89]

OP, If I'm honest, I never understood the whole height debate guys have in the forum.

First off, most chicks I see are typically like 5'1, 5'2...they couldn't be larger than a garden gnome. I'm 5'7 and rarely run into women much taller than me. I'm no NBA player, but I never saw it as a big deal.

In fact, years ago in Miami, I slept with a woman much taller than me (must've been at least 6 feet). Hilariously enough, I did mention to her that she was a bit taller than me. "I don't give a **** if you don't," was her response.

A 6'0 hot girl in Miami said "I don't care about your height" and subsequently slept with you? Maybe if it 1950. In 2021? That's a *little* hard to believe.

The height debate exists on this forum because it is what girls respond to and are attracted to, and it is what guys cant change. Guys aren't making it up to make themselves better. It's what they see and hear and feel in real life from women they are attracted to.

I'm not too short, but I"m 6;1, and It's hurt me big time too. Not so much when I was younger, but when a man is older it's almost game over, and I got more game and money than half this site. But since I'm not 6'1, I cannot pull with relative ease.

That's why I keep telling guys on this forum: make sure you get tall, and then work on your game and finances and whatever else. If you are not tall, to begin with, nothing else will relatively matter. Your money won't matter, girls can't get it for themselves. Your sense of humor won't matter, your job won't really matter, your looks won't really matter - as long you look *average*, but your height, it is the number 1 thing that will matter.

Now I will say, a man can make up for an average height, if he has amaziing, full, thick, hair. Girls in the East will take awesome hair for average height. Girls in the West, they may take it too but its more difficult.

Get tall or ruin your life.

 

[MatureDJ]

I never knew Angus Young was 5'2".

Of course, if you think about it, Young was the jester of the band; that said, he was the iconic character for them, like Mick Jagger's lips for the Stones.

 

[MatureDJ]

I'm not too short, but I"m 6;1, and It's hurt me big time too. Not so much when I was younger, but when a man is older it's almost game over, and I got more game and money than half this site. But since I'm not 6'1, I cannot pull with relative ease.

Wow, if it's over for 73InchCels, it must really be over for 65InchCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

Update: Nevermind. Got friendzoned again. Date 2 and still no kiss.

But I still owned the FZ like a boss! LOL

Unfortunately FriendZoneMaxxing is like kissing your sister.

 

[MatureDJ]

The shorter you are, the less acceptable it is to wear lifts

It's kind of the same with foids - it suits taller ones to wear high heels more, at least in an aesthetic sense. Of course, they do that and then they wonder where "all the good men" are. So, the more you need lifts just to feel normal, the less acceptable it is for you to wear them and the...

incels.is

 

[DonJuanjr]

Wow, if it's over for 73InchCels, it must really be over for 65InchCels.

That was a typo. He meant to say he's not 6'1.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

People always focus on what they lack in dating

it’s a numbers game for everyone

 

[SW15]

First off, most chicks I see are typically like 5'1, 5'2...they couldn't be larger than a garden gnome. I'm 5'7 and rarely run into women much taller than me. I'm no NBA player, but I never saw it as a big deal.

Where are you running into such short women (5'3" and below)? Since your user name has the name Torres in it and you are 5'7", I'm making an educated guess that you are Hispanic. If you are a 5'7" Hispanic man pursuing Hispanic women, then this makes sense.

I'm 5'10" and not Hispanic. I am mainly interacting with non-Hispanic white women. I'm taller than most non-Hispanic white women and also taller than most Hispanic women. Non-Hispanic white women are the ones who make the biggest fuss about height.

The only place that I regularly dealt with women who were on the taller side was while playing sand volleyball. The sand volleyball scene in my city tends to attract a lot of ex high school/college volleyball players as well as some tall ex-college basketball women. The women at the courts who were the best sand volleyball players were all 5'9"-6'2". These were not easy women for an athletic 5'10" guy like myself to seduce. They were often fit and physically attractive.

In fact, years ago in Miami, I slept with a woman much taller than me (must've been at least 6 feet). Hilariously enough, I did mention to her that she was a bit taller than me. "I don't give a **** if you don't," was her response. At the night's end, she treated my Weiner with passion and energy,

A 6'0 hot girl in Miami said "I don't care about your height" and subsequently slept with you? Maybe if it 1950. In 2021? That's a *little* hard to believe.

I agree that this isn't an easy story to believe. At 5'10", I would need exceptional charisma or exceptional lifestyle status symbols to pull it off. It's more feasible for me as a 5'10" guy to bang a 6'0"-6'1" woman than it is for a 5'7" guy. As I just illustrated with the sand volleyball courts story, it's an uphill battle.

The height debate exists on this forum because it is what girls respond to and are attracted to, and it is what guys cant change. Guys aren't making it up to make themselves better. It's what they see and hear and feel in real life from women they are attracted to.

I'm not too short, but I"m 6;1, and It's hurt me big time too. Not so much when I was younger, but when a man is older it's almost game over, and I got more game and money than half this site. But since I'm not 6'1, I cannot pull with relative ease.

That's why I keep telling guys on this forum: make sure you get tall, and then work on your game and finances and whatever else. If you are not tall, to begin with, nothing else will relatively matter. Your money won't matter, girls can't get it for themselves. Your sense of humor won't matter, your job won't really matter, your looks won't really matter - as long you look *average*, but your height, it is the number 1 thing that will matter.

Now I will say, a man can make up for an average height, if he has amaziing, full, thick, hair. Girls in the East will take awesome hair for average height. Girls in the West, they may take it too but its more difficult.

Get tall or ruin your life.

Yes, I have felt the effect of my height in action. I remember one swipe app date with a 5'8" woman that started awkward as she clearly felt flustered by me not being much taller. Additionally, the sand volleyball court women weren't easy to seduce. I've also observed a number of 5'0"-5'2" women refusing to date men under 6'0", which is ridiculous but it happens.

Money doesn't have the effect that it did before roughly 1980-1990. Women 40 and under now all grew up after first/second wave feminism and planned for having their own careers during their childhoods. Women 40 and under now all have careers and many are doing well. When a woman is already making $70,000-$110,000 a year, you need to be making at least 2.5-3 times what she makes to impress her with money OR you have solid net worth from family money.

Good hair always helps.

 

[biggoal]

Where are you running into such short women (5'3" and below)? Since your user name has the name Torres in it and you are 5'7", I'm making an educated guess that you are Hispanic. If you are a 5'7" Hispanic man pursuing Hispanic women, then this makes sense.

I'm 5'10" and not Hispanic. I am mainly interacting with non-Hispanic white women. I'm taller than most non-Hispanic white women and also taller than most Hispanic women. Non-Hispanic white women are the ones who make the biggest fuss about height.

The only place that I regularly dealt with women who were on the taller side was while playing sand volleyball. The sand volleyball scene in my city tends to attract a lot of ex high school/college volleyball players as well as some tall ex-college basketball women. The women at the courts who were the best sand volleyball players were all 5'9"-6'2". These were not easy women for an athletic 5'10" guy like myself to seduce. They were often fit and physically attractive.





I agree that this isn't an easy story to believe. At 5'10", I would need exceptional charisma or exceptional lifestyle status symbols to pull it off. It's more feasible for me as a 5'10" guy to bang a 6'0"-6'1" woman than it is for a 5'7" guy. As I just illustrated with the sand volleyball courts story, it's an uphill battle.



Yes, I have felt the effect of my height in action. I remember one swipe app date with a 5'8" woman that started awkward as she clearly felt flustered by me not being much taller. Additionally, the sand volleyball court women weren't easy to seduce. I've also observed a number of 5'0"-5'2" women refusing to date men under 6'0", which is ridiculous but it happens.

Money doesn't have the effect that it did before roughly 1980-1990. Women 40 and under now all grew up after first/second wave feminism and planned for having their own careers during their childhoods. Women 40 and under now all have careers and many are doing well. When a woman is already making $70,000-$110,000 a year, you need to be making at least 2.5-3 times what she makes to impress her with money OR you have solid net worth from family money.

Good hair always helps.

Then you'd need to be a doctor or something super high skilled. outside the mega pay cities like NYC, and LA due to absurd cost of living, I dont see very many women in their 30s making 100k or more a year unless they're something like a doctor, nurse practitioner, lawyer, university level professor. Not here in FL. The run of the mill ones here are school teachers, nurses, and such.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

A 6'0 hot girl in Miami said "I don't care about your height" and subsequently slept with you? Maybe if it 1950. In 2021? That's a *little* hard to believe.

The height debate exists on this forum because it is what girls respond to and are attracted to, and it is what guys cant change. Guys aren't making it up to make themselves better. It's what they see and hear and feel in real life from women they are attracted to.

I'm not too short, but I"m 6;1, and It's hurt me big time too. Not so much when I was younger, but when a man is older it's almost game over, and I got more game and money than half this site. But since I'm not 6'1, I cannot pull with relative ease.

That's why I keep telling guys on this forum: make sure you get tall, and then work on your game and finances and whatever else. If you are not tall, to begin with, nothing else will relatively matter. Your money won't matter, girls can't get it for themselves. Your sense of humor won't matter, your job won't really matter, your looks won't really matter - as long you look *average*, but your height, it is the number 1 thing that will matter.

Now I will say, a man can make up for an average height, if he has amaziing, full, thick, hair. Girls in the East will take awesome hair for average height. Girls in the West, they may take it too but its more difficult.

Get tall or ruin your life.
[/QUOTE]

Not tall. My life is not ruined.