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How am I meant to cope at 5'4?

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@Genetic Error

Bro

if you came here for validation, than I have to politely tell you to fvck off.

Stop whining.

Everyone here is pointing you in many other directions, but you are still whining, after a 5 pages long post.

Im been short throughout my whole life. It certainly left some scars on me from my childhood.

But I live a pretty good life, specially after I found this community

I know I have to deal with my own shlt
I’m in control of my life

I’m 1,69m
My 2 former exes were taller than me. Wasn’t a problem

I make a 6 figure yearly income
I’m national head of sales in my company
People not only respect me, but they like me

It’s not about my height. It’s about my attitude

get a grip of yourself man
 

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Sure, mindset can change things, and not all women care about height - but men who insist people like OP just need to "be different" are missing the point - it's still a huge disadvantage to overcome. That said, wealth, status, charm, CAN overcome it, but to deny they don't have an innate disadvantage is just dumb.
Sorry bro

it is not dumb

dumb is someone who calls himself a master dom Juan validating stupid shlt like this

my best mate is about 1,59m
His nickname is fvcking dwarf

is this a problem. No

always with a new chick
Focused on his body (got bulk)
Focused on his career (senior art coordinator at Coca Cola)

and now he is married
With an awesome girl
She is pregnant with his child

life goes on
 
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Sorry bro

it is not dumb

dumb is someone who calls himself a master dom Juan validating stupid shlt like this

my best mate is about 1,59m
His nickname is fvcking dwarf

is this a problem. No

always with a new chick
Focused on his body (got bulk)
Focused on his career (senior art coordinator at Coca Cola)

and now he is married
With an awesome girl
She is pregnant with his child

life goes on
The website puts that title for people based on post count, I didn't put that lmao.

I never said a short man cannot be succesful with women. My point was that to pretend it's NOT a significant disadvantage is dumb. That said, worrying or complaining about it IS dumb, since there is nothing you can do about it. However I do still think OP deserves sympathy because if you're short AND have psychological problems, you really will be treated as subhuman.
 

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Interesting that this thread has 6+ pages. And I’ll bet very few SSers are 5’4” or below. I’ll admit I really have no legit advice to give. As OP’s issues are alien to me (though I am on the short side).
 

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Guys who are under 5'8 or so definitely have a disadvantage, and if you're 5'4 you really did get the short end of the stick (no pun intended).

I say this as someone who is a hair over 6', too. I remember once I talked to a 6' woman on OLD who literally insulted my height when I made a joke about her wearing high heels around me (she straight up sent "hahaha you think you're tall?" and unmatched me). Self-centered/solipsistic/BPD women literally do not see other shorter men as human beings.

Sure, mindset can change things, and not all women care about height - but men who insist people like OP just need to "be different" are missing the point - it's still a huge disadvantage to overcome. It goes without saying that, wealth, status, charm, CAN overcome it, but to deny they don't have an innate disadvantage is just dumb.

That said, if I had to pick between being 5'4 and having a 7.5" **** or being 6'3 with a 2" ****, I'd probably pick the former. All I can say is be grateful for what you have.
If she was 6 ft on old she was probably 5 foot 10. Women beef up their height on old just like us men.
 

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If she was 6 ft on old she was probably 5 foot 10. Women beef up their height on old just like us men.
Yep. My last ex claimed 5’5”. No way! Another ex- claimed 5’2”. She finally admitted to 5’1”. I fudge an inch. I’ll allow the same with girls.
 

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Yep. My last ex claimed 5’5”. No way! Another ex- claimed 5’2”. She finally admitted to 5’1”. I fudge an inch. I’ll allow the same with girls.
2 to 3 inches on old is typical for most guys.

In sports its quite common, especially football and hockey to add height and weight. Nhl 6 ft and under they typically add at least two inches to height. Football also.

Brad Marchand is listed 5 ft 9 but he's 5 ft 6 at the most this from fans who've met him. Martin St. louis also said they bumped his height up when he was drafted two inches were added.
 

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2 to 3 inches on old is typical for most guys.

In sports its quite common, especially football and hockey to add height and weight. Nhl 6 ft and under they typically add at least two inches to height. Football also.

Brad Marchand is listed 5 ft 9 but he's 5 ft 6 at the most this from fans who've met him. Martin St. louis also said they bumped his height up when he was drafted two inches were added.
3”!!! Damn.
 

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Guys who are under 5'8 or so definitely have a disadvantage, and if you're 5'4 you really did get the short end of the stick (no pun intended).

I say this as someone who is a hair over 6', too. I remember once I talked to a 6' woman on OLD who literally insulted my height when I made a joke about her wearing high heels around me (she straight up sent "hahaha you think you're tall?" and unmatched me). Self-centered/solipsistic/BPD women literally do not see other shorter men as human beings.

Sure, mindset can change things, and not all women care about height - but men who insist people like OP just need to "be different" are missing the point - it's still a huge disadvantage to overcome. It goes without saying that, wealth, status, charm, CAN overcome it, but to deny they don't have an innate disadvantage is just dumb.

That said, if I had to pick between being 5'4 and having a 7.5" **** or being 6'3 with a 2" ****, I'd probably pick the former. All I can say is be grateful for what you have.
Yeah it is a disadvantage, particularly as its one that can;t be changed as such. But, unless you're really unattractive facially, there is evidence on here and from what I;ve seen that short guys can still get laid in the west.

Tall guys certainly don;t have it on easy street (assuming most aren't male models). You may get pass on height, but if not good looking, confident, smooth, high status, women will still regularly reject you. I'm saying this from experience as being 6"2, ripped, above average looks etc.

I do empaphise with OP though, must be a real thing on their mind as its totally out of their control. The main points are, there is NOTHING OP can do about height, but by excelling in other areas he can greatly enhance his chances of being successful. If being with women is that important, then he needs to be driven to raise his game with variables that can be changed, or move somewhere where the average height is much lower.

One of my friends is 5"6 and he's always had a bit of a downer about his height, so 5"4 must be tough pill to swallow, but he's frequently had g/f's. 1 was where we used to work, abouut 10 years younger, decent looking and had massive t1ts, who just about every man in the office fancied. He just asked her out and were together for a couple of years. He is/was lead singer in band which no doubt helped. Very clever chap, with charisma/gift of the gab/articulate (wouldn't stop talking all the time!), never any awkward silences with him and decent looking enough, square jaw, but not exceptional looks wise. Can barely recall a time when he hasn't had a g/f, wife, been dating - all of them around 7ish looks wise. And from I gather, most of that in recent years has been from OLD.

My memory may be wrong here, but iirc, OP has previously given impression he's not that confident/outgoing, at least with women. When I was like that at 6"2 I barely got anywhere with women, so at 5"4 he has no chance I imagine unless dealing with 5 and lower on looks/body scale. Not sure what to suggest exactly as don;t know the OP, but stuff that makes him more confident, likeable (by women), outgoing like weights (being lean not only improves physique but usually facial features too), martial arts, toast masters, along with status things like career/business?? Good hair cut and style is quick, easy one to implement for starters.
 
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@Genetic Error

Bro

if you came here for validation, than I have to politely tell you to fvck off.

Stop whining.

Everyone here is pointing you in many other directions, but you are still whining, after a 5 pages long post.

Im been short throughout my whole life. It certainly left some scars on me from my childhood.

But I live a pretty good life, specially after I found this community

I know I have to deal with my own shlt
I’m in control of my life

I’m 1,69m
My 2 former exes were taller than me. Wasn’t a problem

I make a 6 figure yearly income
I’m national head of sales in my company
People not only respect me, but they like me

It’s not about my height. It’s about my attitude

get a grip of yourself man
dude the height threshold is 170cm 5'7. thats the lowest women will date. of course you could overcome it cos ur still within the threshold. i am 3 inches below it. stop thinking its easy just cos it was for you, purely because you got the luck of better genetics than me. my life is 100x more harder than yours and i wont ever have the same experiences
 

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Here's a thought. If your height really bothers you that much, there are some countries where the average height for men is much lower than it is in the US. This link has a chart which breaks it down by gender, maybe one would appeal to you?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-height-by-country
shortest countries in the world at my age, in cities are 5'7 now. still 3 inches taller than me. google lies about heights like 5'4. that includes all the old people and literally starving outer villages
 

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shortest countries in the world at my age, in cities are 5'7 now. still 3 inches taller than me. google lies about heights like 5'4.
I wouldn't know about that. But the 5'7" is just an average. The lower the number, the more likely there are significant numbers of men in your height range.
 

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I wouldn't know about that. But the 5'7" is just an average. The lower the number, the more likely there are significant numbers of men in your height range.
Yep, brings to mind the classic bell curve…
From - https://www.usablestats.com/lessons/normal
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But, Wait a minute here…
The above graph shows a healthy percentage of women are in OP’s 64” height range…
I wonder if they’re singin the poor little me blues or just living a well adjusted life.
 

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The above graph shows a healthy percentage of women are in OP’s 64” height range…
I wonder if they’re singin the poor little me blues or just living a well adjusted life.
Looks like there are more women at 5'4" than any other height. I didn't know that.
But it's definitely not the same thing.
 

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A 6'0 hot girl in Miami said "I don't care about your height" and subsequently slept with you? Maybe if it 1950. In 2021? That's a *little* hard to believe.

The height debate exists on this forum because it is what girls respond to and are attracted to, and it is what guys cant change. Guys aren't making it up to make themselves better. It's what they see and hear and feel in real life from women they are attracted to.

I'm not too short, but I"m 6;1, and It's hurt me big time too. Not so much when I was younger, but when a man is older it's almost game over, and I got more game and money than half this site. But since I'm not 6'1, I cannot pull with relative ease.

That's why I keep telling guys on this forum: make sure you get tall, and then work on your game and finances and whatever else. If you are not tall, to begin with, nothing else will relatively matter. Your money won't matter, girls can't get it for themselves. Your sense of humor won't matter, your job won't really matter, your looks won't really matter - as long you look *average*, but your height, it is the number 1 thing that will matter.

Now I will say, a man can make up for an average height, if he has amaziing, full, thick, hair. Girls in the East will take awesome hair for average height. Girls in the West, they may take it too but its more difficult.

Get tall or ruin your life.
Seriously tho 6'1 arent tall enought .. ??? i dont get it . with shoes and hair youre easily 6'3 .. unless you measure it with those things.
 
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Seriously tho 6'1 arent tall enought .. ??? i dont get it . with shoes and hair youre easily 6'3 .. unless you measure it with those things.
Yeah would be very rare for women to reject men on/at that height.
 

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I’ve noticed lots of Asians and Latinos in the SF Bay Area are quite short. And a great many of them have wives & kids. I’m 5’6” or so and I feel like a giant walking in some of the malls. So OP, there is hope.
 
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