Men are now more likely to be single than women. It's not a good sign.

[SW15]

Curious how you operate in the game today? It's catch and release on my end over here. Not playing for keeps.

Over the years, I have tended to play for medium term relationships but haven't put a ring on it. I've had trouble with catch and release simply because there's a lot of front end effort that goes into cold approaching. The rejections, failed dates, etc. If I find a good one, I want to keep her around for a bit.

Most of my friends made since moving to my current city are carbon copies of one another. Married or LTR beta males, usually now with suburban homes, and dogs. I'm not cool with that path for myself.

It could be said that I fall somewhere in between you and my friends I described above.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Over the years, I have tended to play for medium term relationships but haven't put a ring on it. I've had trouble with catch and release simply because there's a lot of front end effort that goes into cold approaching. The rejections, failed dates, etc. If I find a good one, I want to keep her around for a bit.

Most of my friends made since moving to my current city are carbon copies of one another. Married or LTR beta males, usually now with suburban homes, and dogs. I'm not cool with that path for myself.

It could be said that I fall somewhere in between you and my friends I described above.

The past two years have been a long red pill. Seeing the world as it is. Not how I want it to be. I'm thankful for the Ls in the game of life. If I had followed the beaten path, I am what married to a now obese frumpy wife, a series of kids, and working corporate in London hating my life. Fortunately, we took a different path.

How are you able to remain friends? Typically, once beta and whipped, I just lose thru number. I am not malicious about it. We just are on entirely different life paths. The likelihood of going separate ways is most likely. I'm pals with some life long buds. While we are going separate ways, we catch up. Some have settled down but did it right. Got her mad young. No weird **** or cucking. Not the norm.

Good on you man. Since the beginning of the nonsense, been on the same path as @darksprezzatura pursuing purpose. It's a new way forward to me. It supersedes girls or pulling. I'm still out there slinging D but more sniper style than endless approaching. Women particularly modern women aren't worth the effort (most times ).

 

[typical]

This has always been the case throughout history for both Men and Women.

All through history the rich and powerful had access to multiple partners (Concubines mistresses and secret lovers). The upper echelon of society had the resources and ability to seduce marry and procreate with many partners.

The rest of society (both Men and Women) worked feverishly to make a living which is about 95% if not more of any population throughout history. They didn't have the resources nor ability to seduce marry and procreate with more than perhaps a handful of partners as life was TOUGH.

Hypergamy was still around and with Men doing more dangerous tasks in hard labour/mining/wars etc the chance of a woman losing her spouse was high. Not that women had it any easier with no proper sanitation means nor safety in childbearing nor any real "rights" remember women for the vast majority of human history were regarding as property of men. Still humans being humans hypergamy was always there as was "plate theory" just fewer persons had access to resources realise their "mating strategies".

Essentially for the majority of human history Men and Women worked together to make their lives "Bearable".

We live in the most medically and technologically advanced global civilisations EVER. This Global economy as given a vast majority of individuals the resources needed to maximise their "mating strategies" be it Hypergamy for women OR Polygyny for men. Add to this the invention of "social media and platforms" and now things have exponentially exploded.

There is nothing wrong with this and is just a normal aspect of civilisation becoming more and more advanced with technology aiding us in our lives in all aspects.


Bringing this back to the "Ideas" and "Life Guidance" that Sosuave and the rest of the manosphere is telling us .... the basic premise is STILL the same ... use all the resources at your disposal to maximise your "mating and life strategy" and with how modernised our civilization has become notions such as marriage and child rearing can be safely ignored until the need becomes necessary or required by the individual.

There are repercussions to this ... as society becomes more advanced the likelihood of individuals having children will diminish .... the total global fertility rate will drop below 2 once that occurs it may become irreversible which would mean in a few generations the world population will greatly diminish. Once that occurs so will the vast global economy and again we would go through a cycle of a semi collapse of our civilisation and perhaps the start of a new one. This is normal and part of how we as a species "work".

P.S I've dumbed this down I'm not writing my entire fu(king thesis and paper here.

 

[SW15]

The past two years have been a long red pill. Seeing the world as it is. Not how I want it to be. I'm thankful for the Ls in the game of life. If I had followed the beaten path, I am what married to a now obese frumpy wife, a series of kids, and working corporate in London hating my life. Fortunately, we took a different path.

All of my friends made since moving to my current city followed that beaten path. I have some friends from earlier phases of life. Most of them also did that too. There have been some divorces in that crew.

How are you able to remain friends? Typically, once beta and whipped, I just lose thru number. I am not malicious about it. We just are on entirely different life paths. The likelihood of going separate ways is most likely. I'm pals with some life long buds. While we are going separate ways, we catch up. Some have settled down but did it right. Got her mad young. No weird **** or cucking. Not the norm.

In the past, I would have said some common interests. A couple of them have played the same sport that I play most commonly. Things are changing. Most of these married men with their dogs and suburban houses don't want to be around me, even with our common interests.

Good on you man. Since the beginning of the nonsense, been on the same path as @darksprezzatura pursuing purpose. It's a new way forward to me. It supersedes girls or pulling. I'm still out there slinging D but more sniper style than endless approaching. Women particularly modern women aren't worth the effort (most times ).

I moved to using more day game than night game in the early 2010s. I would say I've been more sniper style for a while. However, non-bar approach sessions on the street, in a grocery store, or in a fitness class can be draining.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Speaking of this, an update on that situation of the carousel girl who married the beta guy I touched on in a few other threads. I met them recently through an event, and their emotion toward each other is a full 180. They hardly talked or touched each other, and there was clear unspoken disdain between them based on their eyes and way of talking to each other. There seemed to be no love there at all. Something is going to pop eventually.

 

[corrector]

I'm 38 and never have married.

That means I have one up on you.

A lot of women send a lot of decent men to the reject bin. There's are a lot of good men who are living as MGTOWs because they were constantly rejected by women with absurd standards. These men differ from the socially inept incels who were also sent to the reject bin by women.

You cant really be MTGOW and also rejected by women. Its the other way around. You are making up stuff now.

Most of my friends made since moving to my current city are carbon copies of one another. Married or LTR beta males, usually now with suburban homes, and dogs.

I have some divorces from college friends and cousins.

You are the only single guy in your family?

 

[HaleyBaron]

women for the vast majority of human history were regarding as property of men.

Women were happier as property. Suffrage and women rights only started in the last 50 years and look where it got us.

 

[typical]

Women were happier as property. Suffrage and women rights only started in the last 50 years and look where it got us.

Well this is something you can't reverse .... just have to adapt to how the world is and keep doing what's best for you.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Well this is something you can't reverse .... just have to adapt to how the world is and keep doing what's best for you.

It will be reversed by nature. Whether intentionally or women deliberately removing said responsibilities that were imposed on them.

 

[typical]

It will be reversed by nature. Whether intentionally or women deliberately removing said responsibilities that were imposed on them.

Yup I have deliberately left this part out in my paper that I"m writing as no doubt it will then be scraped and never published. I have though instilled enough information for the smart to see what I'm pointing to

 

[darksprezzatura]

The past two years have been a long red pill. Seeing the world as it is. Not how I want it to be. I'm thankful for the Ls in the game of life. If I had followed the beaten path, I am what married to a now obese frumpy wife, a series of kids, and working corporate in London hating my life. Fortunately, we took a different path.

How are you able to remain friends? Typically, once beta and whipped, I just lose thru number. I am not malicious about it. We just are on entirely different life paths. The likelihood of going separate ways is most likely. I'm pals with some life long buds. While we are going separate ways, we catch up. Some have settled down but did it right. Got her mad young. No weird **** or cucking. Not the norm.

Good on you man. Since the beginning of the nonsense, been on the same path as @darksprezzatura pursuing purpose. It's a new way forward to me. It supersedes girls or pulling. I'm still out there slinging D but more sniper style than endless approaching. Women particularly modern women aren't worth the effort (most times ).

Purpose supersedes everything.

Men conquer mountains, women conquer men. It's a sport, gotta treat it accordingly.

 

[Firecrotch66]

Shrug. That’s how it has always been. Not every man will get a woman to reproduce with. Men at the top get to have multiple women. Always been that way…

Not even bout reproduction bruh lot of the men are supposed to die you know either from dangerous job or war. With jobs becoming more and more cushy women are not keeping up.

 

[Firecrotch66]

Definitely true. I just wrote a post about this:

Lover/Provider Dichotomy is Over: Three Tier System Now

The last several times I've been out, I'm seeing something interesting. There are quite a few bro's I've met who've got their act together: good job, good health, standard or even well above average good looking guys. In theory, these guys should fit easily into the "lover" or "alpha" category...

www.sosuave.net

What's interesting and probably concerning for many guys is that it used to be (as in just a few years ago) average looking guys 5/6 range who struggled with dating even though they had good jobs and bright futures.

Now I'm even seeing 7/8 tier guys in looks who are scrambling to date as women "level up" in their selectivity.

Blame tinder

 

[MatureDJ]

A lot of women send a lot of decent men to the reject bin. There's are a lot of good men who are living as MGTOWs because they were constantly rejected by women with absurd standards. These men differ from the socially inept incels who were also sent to the reject bin by women.

So if the only observation of these 2 groups is that they both get sent to the reject bin, how does one discern between a MGTOW and an Incel?

In any case, it's OVER for RejectBinCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

Not even bout reproduction bruh lot of the men are supposed to die you know either from dangerous job or war. With jobs becoming more and more cushy women are not keeping up.

Oh, women have been doing their job getting cushy - i.e., adding cushion for the pushin' ...

 

[SW15]

So if the only observation of these 2 groups is that they both get sent to the reject bin, how does one discern between a MGTOW and an Incel?

In any case, it's OVER for RejectBinCels.

It is difficult to discern between a MGTOW and an incel. I like to say that all incels are MGTOWs but not all MGTOWs are incels.

Incels do not get laid. A MGTOW is more likely to directly pay for sex. Some argue that MGTOWs can bang women without directly paying for it but avoid relationships but that's more of a pickup artist to me.

SoSuave's function is not to be an incel board or a MGTOW board. SoSuave is meant to be a seducers board.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

All of my friends made since moving to my current city followed that beaten path. I have some friends from earlier phases of life. Most of them also did that too. There have been some divorces in that crew.

Several of my mates who were alpha and playboy's but natty checked out fast. Got it out of their system and changed directions. Those that did it right (ie pulled to form smv 18-23) is few and far between the norm. They are the outlier. The typical norm is the girls crawls off the carousel with a few eggs left and ropes in sole idiot.

In the past, I would have said some common interests. A couple of them have played the same sport that I play most commonly. Things are changing. Most of these married men with their dogs and suburban houses don't want to be around me, even with our common interests

In fairness, our life is polar contrast to the beaten path much like oil and water. It usually takes a lot more to overcome the following. The silver lining would be a lifetime friendship. Brother from another mother. In return, I don't roll up with (nearly) jail bait freshly 18 at his place with wife and kids in tow. Again, I won't pump the breaks nor pull my punches. I just exercise common sense. With Gen Z and befriending new lads, they are typically softer and a gf away away from falling off the face of the earth. Aaron Clarey warns of the following happening at 30 and everyone ****s off.

i moved to using more day game than night game in the early 2010s. I would say I've been more sniper style for a while. However, non-bar approach sessions on the street, in a grocery store, or in a fitness class can be draining.

Game is a time suck and energy is finite. @darksprezzatura is doing it right. Moving like the household is on fire and stacking paper while placing girls in check. Sniper but the fact is were sifting through the dumpster fire smp.

Been doing both but, more day game the past few years. Special occasions and one off events at the bar or club but again it's a time suck. The ROI is less than spectacular. The girls are ran through and the concept 9f value added is nonexistent in 2021. Catch and release is my play.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It is difficult to discern between a MGTOW and an incel. I like to say that all incels are MGTOWs but not all MGTOWs are incels.

Incels do not get laid. A MGTOW is more likely to directly pay for sex. Some argue that MGTOWs can bang women without directly paying for it but avoid relationships but that's more of a pickup artist to me.

SoSuave's function is not to be an incel board or a MGTOW board. SoSuave is meant to be a seducers board.

I saw a podcast with Terrence Pop, Aaron Clarey and collaborative with notorious mgtow.

I don't think mgtow is a solution but in aggregate, a significant decline in marriage &&& male productivity will have severe consequences. There's still far too many men who are checked in.

I don't associate myself with the following but I am dead set on my way of being and involvement with the state.

So if the only observation of these 2 groups is that they both get sent to the reject bin, how does one discern between a MGTOW and an Incel?

In any case, it's OVER for RejectBinCels.

Semantics I suppose but my understanding is that it's avoidance of marriage and state. Clarey spoke about men in the rejection bin who in any other time would be a good catch to most women.

Rich dad is separated yet his ex still swings off his brand and resources. He hasn't been slinging D. More fellas are unplugging. Just at a staggering level. Still we see the full decline in marriage.

The other thing to notice is that, most often than not, the lifestyle advocated be it mgtow or black pill or red etc few actually live it.

If a man is faced with the fact he won't have a family, wife or kids, etc he has to look over the abyss and contemplate what next? I'm convinced that man is more free of the before times than ever before.

The bigger picture issue is state power. It's not women or feminism. The state has set up a system where women ABANDONED MAN. The big three religious texts all warn about the detrimental aspects of one's nature. The snake went after who in the garden of Eden? Hindu text warns "out of the corruption of women comes the corruption of nations. Female nature is warned about by elders even if taken as allegory. The story and fall of Solomon depicts the wisest man worshiping a woman, god abandons him, and Israel falls (historically). The warning against simp and adultery couldn't be more obvious. The story about Samson is again another example.

Stoicism seems to be a way forward.

 

[SW15]

Clarey spoke about men in the rejection bin who in any other time would be a good catch to most women.

Clarey is right. Women are sending more and more decent men to the rejection bin. With a global surplus of males, they don't care.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Clarey is right. Women are sending more and more decent men to the rejection bin. With a global surplus of males, they don't care.

The quality of women keeps going down while their standards go up.

Women are strong and capable, but they are perpetual victims who need government protection. Women want to be beautiful and garner attention, but they want to avoid being “objectified.” They preach about equality for women, but they still want all the privileges that come with being a women. These are just few of many contradictions that women must juggle with as ideology battles biology for dominance in their fickle minds. It’s no wonder they’re so crazy.