BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

[MrAddiction]

A lot of guys start out here

.... and not know women post here
....and do not know who is a woman.

 

[Tenacity]

^^^^^Utterly, absolutely, and always true.

@Tenacity all I would say to you about your logical break down of why or why not to get married is this. Relationships, including marriage cannot be boiled down strictly into dollars and sense, and evaluated on logic. It is not logic but emotion that determines whether or not a particular person appeals to you for some sort of personal relationship. So I do not equate the way I evaluate a buisness transaction to the way I size up a potential relationship partner. They cannot be evaluated in the same way because there are intangible factors in the relationship that matter to a MUCH greater degree than in a business deal.

You have shared so much with the forum and I think you have to look at that WAAYYY DEEP DOWN attitude you noted. Before I could become successful I struggled with a similar attitude that was deeply embedded like that. Mine said "You aren't good enough". I still today have to beat that demon down when it tries to get up. I AM good enough.

It takes time, introspection and self awareness to reprogram that sub-conscious message. But you CAN do it. I am proof that you can, and I am proof that once you do you enable yourself to change your fortunes. It's wierd. It's as though it broadcasts itself to people around you and yet it hides itself from you. Devilish thing.

And you can never feed it. Or it will try and resurrect itself in your psyche.

So for confirmation.......you are saying that these relationships we are having with women are tied MORE to spiritual, soul, and emotional foundations, and not logical, critical, and rational foundations? So in order to connect with women more, it's better to be learn how to be more emotionally stimulating, spiritual, etc.?

My only question to you is this. Why does this only apply when a chick "likes" you? Why isn't this the case when she's ripping you off in Family Court? Or when she's manipulating you to gold dig you? Or she's trying to get a guy to give her free drinks in the club? Or she's trying to get a guy to buy her X, Y, and Z? Why is it that they are VERY logical, critical, and manipulating then....but in other times....it's all about "emotions"?

Definitely not American black women.

80/20, as to my experience with foreign/American women, which = much experience with both.

Yup, it gets unsatisfying, especially after you conquered hundreds. Hence, why I open up the door to LTRs for others. Not that I'm a fan of it for myself, but better to have an open view of the end goal than a myopic perspective.

So just for further confirmation lol (I know you hate to keep confirming), can you list out why you don't date American women in general....then also list out why you don't date American black women? I just want to discuss some things with you about this.

 

[Tenacity]

How can you talk about the exact same thing every day? Wtf

Because this is my blog Sir ......just trying to figure some stuff out, do you mind lol?

 

[guru1000]

So just for further confirmation lol (I know you hate to keep confirming), can you list out why you don't date American women in general....then also list out why you don't date American black women? I just want to discuss some things with you about this.

American women are indoctrinated with:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

These are generalities, but common themes among American women, and less common among foreign women (even if they are U.S. seasoned 10+ years).

As for American black women, the above PLUS I have absolutely no interest in their "ghetto talk," exaggerated mannerisms, and classless attitude.

 

[Macaframalama]

I honestly think EVERYBODY is trying to "use me" in some fashion.

So I guess there's this part of me deep down....that wants to feel somewhat Loved or something? Shyt I know it's confusing man.

Everyone uses everyone. It's just the way it is and always has been. The key is finding the ones worthy of giving to. The ones that give back in some way or another. I have friends that I would happily buy the bar for just to get some solid advice or get their perspective on things sometimes. Of course I could get it for free, but things like that are valuable to me and why not. The easiest way to get in life, is to give. And I know what you mean about the feeling loved thing. I was married from 18-25. Everything from then to 34 were ONS. Had 2 ltr's from 34 to now at 39, with ONS's in between. First LTR showed me that I was ready to experience relationships on a deeper level again. Second showed me that I not only wanted to love and be loved, but that I also enjoyed living with them too. I know the plate spinning is necessary part of the process, but I just can't stand stomaching it sometimes. Invited a 20 year old over for drinks last night and I literally told her to shut up mid sentence and to come to me and kiss me. I love me a pretty face and a hot body and all, but I'm finding that I'm going to need allot more just to smash. I'm to the point that I'm contemplating taking sex completely out of the equation.

 

[AJ84]

When you say "love", what you really mean is "invest". And the title of this thread is "nothing short of marriage is exclusivity" - beexcellent.

And what she really means is that a woman can't fvck around whilst being distracted by pregnancy, children, a wedding to plan, etc.

You really think that we should invest in that? And on doing so, that isn't real. It's a projection onto another human being. That's what I did with 3 women that I "loved" the most.

This idea that "love and sacrifice" is noble, or has some special sort of dignity, needs to be checked. Great man once said, "it's no more noble than a donkey carrying a heavy load".

Dees I'm not telling people to invest. I'm not. I'm saying what it usually takes to get investment from a person. I don't think people should seek or make an investment if they don't want to. I don't think people should enter into any relationships defined by other people and not themselves.

My Mom used to pressure my brother, re dating several girls. She tried to shame him and told I had to tell her to butt out its his life. It was annoying because she would do this at family gatherings (Aunt so and so has a co worker you should meet, why not? When are your going to settle down blah blah).

We would hide in the garage and drink.

And you're right, love and sacrifice is not some pie in the sky noble thing. Love/ emotional investment or whatever we call it can be a complete nightmare. But sometimes the benefits are so good. It's a coin toss, like most risks we take in life where our emotions are involved.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

In March next year it will be 4 years since the divorce was final. I'm curious why you ask about the number of marriage proposals.

And you already know that I won't kick them to the curb if they don't put out by date 3...but I do kick them to the curb if they are too sexually aggressive too fast. I have been known to do that.

Being a high value woman, I'm sure you've had your share. How many has it been?

-Augustus-

 

[Tenacity]

American women are indoctrinated with:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

These are generalities, but common themes among American women, and less common among foreign women (even if they are U.S. seasoned 10+ years).

As for American black women, the above PLUS I have absolutely no interest in their "ghetto talk," exaggerated mannerisms, and classless attitude.

But Guru.......this is literally the same "market is trash/market is the problem" stuff I have been reporting on American women (especially American black women) since I came to this website. But YOU have been one of the main voices disagreeing with my analysis and saying I needed to fix my attitude.

So I'm confused??

 

[Urbanyst]

Bro, the problem for me is that based on annual income, net worth, fitness level (6 pack), and college completion......I'm already in the Top 10% for ALL AMERICANS across ALL age groups and when it comes to our Generation (Millennials) I'm in the top 3% to 4%.

So I have already arrived Bro.....and I don't see these people that @guru1000 and @BeExcellent are talking about.

No the top 10% of men are famous.

You are in the top 20%. Me too.

And the market is trash. Women's personalities are repulsive and I don't like most of them as people.

One of my friends just made his first million this year. He feels the same way lol.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Here's the thing: I absolutely love women as people.

But they are just very different. And I enjoy them in a particular context.

Women want to talk on here about men being vulnerable, when I started seriously cold-approaching, I was more vulnerable than I might have ever been. And women knew that in the set, and they chose not to sh1t on me. Used their social wiles to help make it a workable interaction.

Don't get me wrong, some did sh1t on me, but you prioritize the good rather than the bad.

Now, if we are talking about them to meet the expectations of monogamy that we might have had growing up? Fvcking forget about it. Doesn't exist.

The last girl that I seriously was into, we shared our ex's contact. She showed me these guys that were keeping in contact with her, and I could tell that she couldn't quite let go of that stuff completely. I showed her some of mine. And notice that the differences in men and women.

Her ex's were not pvssies. Proper sh1tlords by my take. And they were contacting her constantly, which further cemented in me how women expect to be chased. Mine were women contacting just once a month or so: showing how women are more cautious, even when high-interest and hurt.

Anyway, woman keeping in contact with guys whilst I saw her 10 years back would have been a straight up rage-quit. Wouldn't even have been mature enough for that conversation. That breaks most of the ideas around monogamy that men have, I think.

Yet on the level have spinning plates myself, I understand where she is coming from. And it becomes experience to share among each other. A weird thing that she hadn't had before.

It's not any relationship that beexcellent describes. It's something else, and more honest.

Earning 25 million is not going to change this. It's about relating to people, and engaging in life. Not about money.

"It's about relating to people, and engaging in life. Not about money"

Well said Deesade. Well said.

-Augustus-

 

[guru1000]

But Guru.......this is literally the same "market is trash/market is the problem" stuff I have been reporting on American women (especially American black women) since I came to this website. But YOU have been one of the main voices disagreeing with my analysis and saying I needed to fix my attitude.

So I'm confused??

American black women is your attraction. That's why you date them. I'm not attracted to the attributes of American black women, therefore I don't date them. No relevance to an LTR.

200+ women who you are reasonably attracted to but no LTR: Onus falls on you
10, 20, 30 or so women but no LTR = Onus falls on them

It's a number game until the number becomes so excessive; then you must look at the one commonality.

Even if we were to assume that all American black women aren't LTRable, and you were looking for an LTR, but still continue to date American black women ... who does the onus fall upon?

 

[BeExcellent]

For me, for the record it's not about money and it never was.

I lost my father this year. First holiday season without him. The most awesome things this year were the way my step mother cared for him to the end, the way my siblings and I were with him to the end (he died with my sister at his bedside) and his oldest friends (of 50 to 80 years length in a number of cases) were there with him until the end. Caring for him, helping him laugh, sharing love. Celebrating his life while he was still alive. Telling tall tales. Laughing.

Last Christmas we had potluck dinner on paper plates around his bed which had been moved downstairs. Grandchildren were running everywhere and the whole family was gathered from all over the country. We sat everywhere. Some on the floor. We ate with plastic utensils. My ex was there. He and my father were close. It was a lovely Christmas.

Life is about relationships. Just because I have some money and associate with others who do doesn't mean I don't know what's important in life.

Quality of life can be measured by the quality of your relationships and the people you associate with. No matter how rich or poor you happen to be.

 

[Tenacity]

American black women is your attraction. That's why you date them. I'm not attracted to the attributes of American black women, therefore I don't date them. No relevance to an LTR.

I'm attracted to them based on how they LOOK (a.ss and hips). The reasons you listed below are the reasons why I can't keep them around long, I will list your reasons once again:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

200+ women who you are reasonably attracted to but no LTR: Onus falls on you
10, 20, 30 or so women but no LTR = Onus falls on them

It's a number game until the number becomes so excessive; then you must look at the one commonality.

But you just AGREED with me that I'm NOT THE SOLE COMMONALITY. It's "Tenacity" and it's "American Black Women As A Group" who have all of the following negative characteristics associated with them which is why Guru himself doesn't DEAL with them despite them having a fat a.ss:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

You just said yourself that American Black Women As A Group have issues.....major issues. So if Tenacity has mainly dated black women, how can you say I'm the only commonality when it's not just ME, it's also the dysfunctional group I'm dating??

 

[guru1000]

I'm attracted to them based on how they LOOK (a.ss and hips). The reasons you listed below are the reasons why I can't keep them around long, I will list your reasons once again:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

But you just AGREED with me that I'm NOT THE SOLE COMMONALITY. It's "Tenacity" and it's "American Black Women As A Group" who have all of the following negative characteristics associated with them which is why Guru himself doesn't DEAL with them despite them having a fat a.ss:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

You just said yourself that American Black Women As A Group have issues.....major issues. So if Tenacity has mainly dated black women, how can you say I'm the only commonality when it's not just ME, it's also the dysfunctional group I'm dating??

I remember a few months ago, I was at Bagatelle, an exclusive lounge downtown. Sitting there adjacent to me were these two beautiful Spanish girls. 5’7 ish, big boobs, bubble butt, classy fitted dress, high cheek bones, full temples and lips, beautiful white skin, jet black straight hair. Absolutely beautiful.

“Excuse me,” I said, “it seems that we have some confusion. You’re sitting at my table.”

One of the girls stands up, looks at the other girl, smacks her lips and says,” oh no he didn’t, shlt about to get crazy up in here.” Her Bronx mouth kept on yapping for the next five minutes. I was shocked how such a beautiful girl could exhibit such classless behavior.

When you say you are attracted to American black women based on how they look while ignoring everything else, there is something seriously lacking in you to accept such a woman even if only temporarily in exchange for sex.

I don’t believe all American black women behave this way. I have employed some who were well behaved, compared to others who weren’t. In arguendo, if all American black women did behave this way, and, notwithstanding, you continued dating them, then you my friend have an inner value issue whereas you don’t feel you have enough value to date better women, and thus relegate yourself to the “crap” of the marketplace (because it’s safe).

 

[zekko]

Plenty of people would LOVE to make money and be rich. But they try and fail and blame the economy. And claim they are RED PILL because they've realized the "truth" that the economy is "stacked against them." And they take the "truth" with considerable sadness, which is why they talk about how hard it is to swallow the "Red Pill."

I mean, yeah, I could make money, but what with how the game is crooked, I could lose everything due to asset forfeiture laws, or I could get sued. I mean I KNOW I could make a ton of money if the game wasn't so rigged. Sucks that being alive today in this rigged system makes it so hard. I mean, a couple generations ago, people had it EASY. They just showed up to work and made bank. But since the oligarchs that run this country have destroyed it, I can't make my millions. So I'll guess I'll have to smoke a blunt, swallow that red pill and see what's on Netflix.

I agree with what you are saying with regard to finances - that people will use the economy as an excuse to fail, or to not try, or to not try hard enough.

However, if you are trying to make some comparison with getting married, I can't agree with that. The fundamental problem with marriage is that you have no control over what the other person does, and they can always change. No amount of screening will create a guarantee. I don't believe that you can improve yourself or make yourself so alpha that no woman would ever divorce you. You can go ahead and try, if you think the risk/reward is worth it, but you will never be risk free. Some might decide the risk is worth it, for me, right now, I don't think it is.

 

[Tenacity]

I remember a few months ago, I was at Bagatelle, an exclusive lounge downtown. Sitting there adjacent to me were these two beautiful Spanish girls. 5’7 ish, big boobs, bubble butt, classy fitted dress, high cheek bones, full temples and lips, beautiful white skin, jet black straight hair. Absolutely beautiful.

“Excuse me,” I said, “it seems that we have some confusion. You’re sitting at my table.”

One of the girls stands up, looks at the other girl, smacks her lips and says,” oh no he didn’t, shlt about to get crazy up in here.” Her Bronx mouth kept on yapping for the next five minutes. I was shocked how such a beautiful girl could exhibit such classless behavior.

When you say you are attracted to American black women based on how they look while ignoring everything else, there is something seriously lacking in you to accept such a woman even if only temporarily in exchange for sex.

I don’t believe all American black women behave this way. I have employed some who were well behaved, compared to others who weren’t. In arguendo, if all American black women did behave this way, and, notwithstanding, you continued dating them, then you my friend have an inner value issue whereas you don’t feel you have enough value to date better women, and thus relegate yourself to the “crap” of the marketplace (because it’s safe).

Sir, it's like the complaints of a lot of PHARMA REPS. If you talk to them, they love the "benefits" as it's one of the best compensating and benefits package having sales jobs in the country, which is why they keep coming back to the job.....even though they know "internally" that the industry/products are mainly shyt.

It's the same with Black women. Black women to me look the best out of ALL types of women, based on how their body is shaped. This provides the best in sex and companionship "benefits" for me in comparison to other women....which is why I keep coming back.....even though "internally" 99.8% of these chicks aren't worth SHYT for LTR purposes.

 

[Tenacity]

I remember a few months ago, I was at Bagatelle, an exclusive lounge downtown. Sitting there adjacent to me were these two beautiful Spanish girls. 5’7 ish, big boobs, bubble butt, classy fitted dress, high cheek bones, full temples and lips, beautiful white skin, jet black straight hair. Absolutely beautiful.

“Excuse me,” I said, “it seems that we have some confusion. You’re sitting at my table.”

One of the girls stands up, looks at the other girl, smacks her lips and says,” oh no he didn’t, shlt about to get crazy up in here.” Her Bronx mouth kept on yapping for the next five minutes. I was shocked how such a beautiful girl could exhibit such classless behavior.

When you say you are attracted to American black women based on how they look while ignoring everything else, there is something seriously lacking in you to accept such a woman even if only temporarily in exchange for sex.

I don’t believe all American black women behave this way. I have employed some who were well behaved, compared to others who weren’t. In arguendo, if all American black women did behave this way, and, notwithstanding, you continued dating them, then you my friend have an inner value issue whereas you don’t feel you have enough value to date better women, and thus relegate yourself to the “crap” of the marketplace (because it’s safe).

For the record....I have and DO date other races of women as well, but their bodies are all shaped like a black woman's body. I can't date a chick with a flat a.ss and no hips

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

However, if you are trying to make some comparison with getting married, I can't agree with that.

I wasn't.

Continuous self improvement (partially to get with better women) has zero to do with marriage.

Guys who use the excuse (the economy is too messed up to get rich) so they don't keep trying for better women.

Guys who use the excuse (dating market is too messed up to get married to a high quality woman) so they don't keep trying for better women.

One might not get rich, but one can certainly make more money if one puts in the effort.

One might not find a high quality wife, but one can certainly date better women if ones put in the effort.

But if you swallow the "red pill" (economically or sexually) it gives you an easy out.

 

[Tenacity]

I wasn't.

Continuous self improvement (partially to get with better women) has zero to do with marriage.

Guys who use the excuse (the economy is too messed up to get rich) so they don't keep trying for better women.

Guys who use the excuse (dating market is too messed up to get married to a high quality woman) so they don't keep trying for better women.

One might not get rich, but one can certainly make more money if one puts in the effort.

One might not find a high quality wife, but one can certainly date better women if ones put in the effort.

But if you swallow the "red pill" (economically or sexually) it gives you an easy out.

This is B.S. and puts all of the blame on Men for the piss poor collective behavior of American women.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Sir, it's like the complaints of a lot of PHARMA REPS. If you talk to them, they love the "benefits" as it's one of the best compensating and benefits package having sales jobs in the country, which is why they keep coming back to the job.....even though they know "internally" that the industry/products are mainly shyt.

It's the same with Black women. Black women to me look the best out of ALL types of women, based on how their body is shaped. This provides the best in sex and companionship "benefits" for me in comparison to other women....which is why I keep coming back.....even though "internally" 99.8% of these chicks aren't worth SHYT for LTR purposes.

You need to find a good hearted PAWG.

-Augustus-