BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

[ChristopherColumbus]

You know Augustus, I got to thinking in the context of what you said in your response.

And I think it's true to a degree. Of all my renters for example, and this is in dozens of units...and there are two. Both in my two highest end houses. One a military family who live right across the street from the husbands parents, the other a young nuclear family from an established family in town.

However most of my friends and people I regularly interact with are married. The ratio is reversed. I would certainly attribute that to socioeconomic circumstance to a large degree. The women on average are very pretty and the men well off.

Some of the wealthy men I know and date really like & prefer to be married. They like high maintanence expensive women and it makes them feel good to showcase their wealth that way. They can afford it so why not? That attitude amongst men really surprised me when I first heard men talk about it so directly, but really that embodies an abundance mentality, which makes sense.

And those kind of men routinely end up with gorgeous women...frequently who are also smart, kind and feminine. Quid pro quo? Perhaps.

That's why men (in my opinion) are well advised to become the best version of themselves they can. As we both know men choose women based largely on physical attributes. Women choose men largely on results or potential for results. So...the better a man's results in life, the more and better choices he is afforded. The better the women he can choose from become.

Unfortunate use of language there.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I think there are actually quite a few guys here that would love to have a good marriage and be a patriarch of their own family, there are plenty of rewards in that. But they are slapped in the face by the reality that in the modern world, marriage has given over most of the advantages to women, and most of the risks to men. When guys talk about the "red pill", they are talking about coming to terms with the idea that modern women are not reliable or conscientious enough to be good wives, and the legal system being stacked against them. And they do that with a considerable bit of sadness - which is why they talk about the red pill being hard to swallow.

This where the man man's up and creates his own reality. Whenever people describe reality in general as like this or like that, they are describing an ideology, a herd mentality... a mindset of ideas that deny a man's free will to overcome the world around him.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

And you're right, love and sacrifice is not some pie in the sky noble thing. Love/ emotional investment or whatever we call it can be a complete nightmare. But sometimes the benefits are so good. It's a coin toss, like most risks we take in life where our emotions are involved.

The disappointed romantics among us may find this video interesting:

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Those are my specialty

Do the entire forum a favor and find one for Tenacity then. LMFAO

-Augustus-

 

[guru1000]

For the record....I have and DO date other races of women as well, but their bodies are all shaped like a black woman's body. I can't date a chick with a flat a.ss and no hips

There's plenty of non-American black and other women with sick bodies. You just have to be willing to try, get rejected, and stick with it.

Seems like you're stuck in this perpetual loop of American black women, as you are trying to prove to yourself that you are good enough to gain their acceptance, arising from their and your mother's rejecting you at childhood. You are going against childhood trauma, which is unconsciously incited, so you can't even see, nor are you remotely aware, where the enemy lies.

The only way to undo unconscious programming is to subject yourself to willful conscious programming, which begins with making a conscious effort to do something different. This means purposefully challenging yourself: Make a goal of 10 approaches a day to non-American black women (OLD or irl), and chart your progress. You should start a no-American black women journal documenting your effort, challenges and progress. This will be an effective means to keep you on the path out of this perpetual deleterious loop.

 

[Urbanyst]

Earning 25 million is not going to change this. It's about relating to people, and engaging in life. Not about money.

Earning 25 million will give you MORE options with MORE women.

Also.. if monogamy is a no-go in today's climate.. then what is the point of dealing with women's sh*t at all? For what purpose?

Sex is easy to get. If a LTR is doomed from the start.. why even put the effort in? Just to "related to people"? lol.

I don't know.. I'm a very goal oriented person and don't like wasting my time. I invest in things that have a high rate of positive return.

Maybe life wasn't about MONEY originally.. but it is today. Sorry lol.

 

[Tenacity]

There's plenty of non-American black and other women with sick bodies. You just have to be willing to try, get rejected, and stick with it.

Seems like you're stuck in this perpetual loop of American black women, as you are trying to prove to yourself that you are good enough to gain their acceptance, arising from their and your mother's rejecting you at childhood. You are going against childhood trauma, which is unconsciously incited, so you can't even see, nor are you remotely aware, where the enemy lies.

The only way to undo unconscious programming is to subject yourself to willful conscious programming, which begins with making a conscious effort to do something different. This means purposefully challenging yourself: Make a goal of 10 approaches a day to non-American black women (OLD or irl), and chart your progress. You should start a no-American black women journal documenting your effort, challenges and progress. This will be an effective means to keep you on the path out of this perpetual deleterious loop.

Not at all. Tenacity does not have any issues playing the Numbers Game lol. I have dated and fvcked non-black women before Sir, I have just been zoning in on black women due to how they look......not because I'm "scared" lol. To be perfectly honest, non-black women are EASIER to approach. Black women usually have a complete and utter pissed off look on their face (which I walk up and talk to them anyway because I'm a a.sshole that doesn't give a damn if she's pissed off )

But I agree with you though in that I should expand to include all women, I will do that going forward. I will make an effort to take pictures and post them right here on this board, along with tag you in the post so you can see it.

But I must remind you Guru, you said the following in relation to American women in general:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

These are the reasons you listed for why you personally do not zone in/target American women. So can we admit that my analysis that the American women LTR market being TRASH, was correct? I mean you can't say one thing and then say another lol.

 

[guru1000]

Not at all. Tenacity does not have any issues playing the Numbers Game lol. I have dated and fvcked non-black women before Sir, I have just been zoning in on black women due to how they look......not because I'm "scared" lol. To be perfectly honest, non-black women are EASIER to approach. Black women usually have a complete and utter pissed off look on their face (which I walk up and talk to them anyway because I'm a a.sshole that doesn't give a damn if she's pissed off )

But I agree with you though in that I should expand to include all women, I will do that going forward. I will make an effort to take pictures and post them right here on this board, along with tag you in the post so you can see it.

But I must remind you Guru, you said the following in relation to American women in general:

• Relational egalitarian, as opposed to complementary, roles;
• Less subservience;
• Male friends are to be accepted as ordinary;
• Lack of old-school values/tradition;
• Less tending to their physical appearance;
• More likely to frown about male dominance;
• Other goals/aspirations superior to family;
• Less respect for mother/father and the family structure.

These are the reasons you listed for why you personally do not zone in/target American women. So can we admit that my analysis that the American women LTR market being TRASH, was correct? I mean you can't say one thing and then say another lol.

Define trash.

The list in your quote means American women are more liberal, and less traditional, as opposed to foreign women who are more traditional and less liberal.

Not sure how trash--as in "you dirty rotten wh0re"--correlates with liberal.

If what you mean is that most American women are not great LTR candidates for masculine, traditional-minded men, then I agree. However, qualified within the scope of "most" does not mean "Great Depression." If I had to allot a percentage to American women being traditional-minded, I would state 80%-85% are not.

 

[Tenacity]

If what you mean is that most American women are not great LTR candidates for masculine, traditional-minded men, then I agree.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

However, qualified within the scope of "most" does not mean "Great Depression." If I had to allot a percentage to American women being traditional-minded, I would state 80%-85% are not.

If up to 85% of American women are not suited for the traditional man (due mainly to the gynocentric and negative effects of feminism/women's liberation) then that means only 15% are based on your analysis. However, understand, the 15% that are will be mainly OFF the market. So let's say that 90% (13.5%) of the 15% pile are usually off the market and if they come on the market, it will be very difficult to run across them as they are less likely to be on OLD or to entertain random cold approaches.

That means only 1% to 2% of these women will be on the market in some reasonable fashion to be found. Which is GREAT DEPRESSION level of metrics.

Agreed?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Whatever ridiculously tiny percentage of women you think is suitable, you should have run across at least one or two of them by now. If you haven't, then it means that your sample is not random.

 

[guru1000]

Yes, that's what I'm saying.



If up to 85% of American women are not suited for the traditional man (due mainly to the gynocentric and negative effects of feminism/women's liberation) then that means only 15% are based on your analysis. However, understand, the 15% that are will be mainly OFF the market. So let's say that 90% (13.5%) of the 15% pile are usually off the market and if they come on the market, it will be very difficult to run across them as they are less likely to be on OLD or to entertain random cold approaches.

That means only 1% to 2% of these women will be on the market in some reasonable fashion to be found. Which is GREAT DEPRESSION level of metrics.

Agreed?

LOL. Talking about shooting an arrow and painting a bullseye around it.

No, the 15-20% I guesstimate is based on my experience dating available American women.

Also consider that just because a woman is traditional-minded does not mean that American men will scoop her up. We live in a feminized culture, where many men are neither masculine nor looking for traditional values in a woman. Yes, believe it or not, American, liberal women are in high demand too; just not by us.

 

[Urbanyst]

I don't think I expressed that thought very well.

What I meant was that money doesn't change the fact that the typical monogamy that guys expect as a standard doesn't really exist, and keeping to that standard just leads to excessive dumping/rage-quitting (IME).

Yeah, that makes sense.

But MONEY might keep a woman around if she can't get it anywhere else.

 

[Tenacity]

LOL. Talking about shooting an arrow and painting a bullseye around it.

No, the 15-20% I guesstimate is based on my experience dating available American women.

Also consider that just because a woman is traditional-minded does not mean that American men will scoop her up. We live in a feminized culture, where many men are neither masculine nor looking for traditional values in a woman. Yes, believe it or not, American, liberal women are in high demand too; just not by us.

Here's the problem though Guru.

- On one end, you are saying that if Tenacity makes an argument to justify a "rationale", pointing to the "market" as an issue being the reason for the rationale, then you say Tenacity CAN'T do that because he's not taking personal responsibility.

- But on the other end, you state you will not entertain American Women for the LIST of reasons provided above, and instead will zone in only or mostly on foreign women.

Couldn't I turn around and throw it back in your face......by basically saying YOU were the only commonality in your different experiences with American women, and thus, YOU are at fault, not American Women?

 

[guru1000]

Here's the problem though Guru.

- On one end, you are saying that if Tenacity makes an argument to justify a "rationale", pointing to the "market" as an issue being the reason for the rationale, then you say Tenacity CAN'T do that because he's not taking personal responsibility.

- But on the other end, you state you will not entertain American Women for the LIST of reasons provided above, and instead will zone in only or mostly on foreign women.

Couldn't I turn around and throw it back in your face......by basically saying YOU were the only commonality in your different experiences with American women, and thus, YOU are at fault, not American Women?

You could if I had stated all American women are trash and I can't find any suitable LTRs among them, but I didn't. I stated, "80-85% of American women are liberal and thus not suitable contenders for masculine, traditional men."

This does not mean that 80-85% of American women aren't LTR material, but rather not LTR material for my preferences. One could argue in this context that my preferences are misguided and thus I am the problem. But this assertion would have merit if I found zero LTR contenders from which to choose, and thus I needed to change my preferences to get a result. However, even among American Women, I find suitable LTR contenders, few and far between. I search prudently, and thus I find a greater reservoir of LTR suitable women (for me) among foreign women. Hence, I date predominately foreign, if I can.

To summarize: If you find zero suitable contenders, the problem lies with you, whether that be improving some facet of yourself--or--loosening up your LTR requirements. But, as your LTR requirements are already very reasonable, I had stated to work on your "attitude." However, I must admit, recently your attitude has improved. Hopefully, it's not just for show

 

[Tenacity]

You could if I had stated all American women are trash and I can't find any suitable LTRs among them, but I didn't. I stated, "80-85% of American women are liberal and thus not suitable contenders for masculine, traditional men."

This does not mean that 80-85% of American women aren't LTR material, but rather not LTR material for my preferences.

I think we are saying the same thing though. I have a list of criteria and I'm finding very few women that fit said criteria. You have a list of criteria and you have a hard time finding American women that fit said criteria, and have an easier time finding Foreign women that do.

We are saying the same thing, just in different ways, no?

To summarize: If you find zero suitable contenders, the problem lies with you, whether that be improving some facet of yourself--or--loosening up your LTR requirements. But, as your LTR requirements are already very reasonable, I had stated to work on your "attitude."

But Guru also understand, a lot of other guys on this forum said my LTR requirements were NOT reasonable at all. Read though this thread here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/my-passion-for-women-is-gone.239545/

I think it was only you and BeTheChange that said they were reasonable, everybody else has said this list below (my LTR list) is not reasonable at all:

- Prefer the chick to be black
- Good looks, prefer my definition of a 7 and higher
- Age 24 to 33
- No kids
- Good Finances
- No personality or attitude issues or high maintenance issues
- Good interest level

Everybody but you and BeTheChange said this list was not reasonable. So if the list is not reasonable, then I completely understand how it's "my fault', as I would need to reduce my criteria......which I HAVE....but the problem is that having reduced my criteria now my "desire" for an LTR is gone.

However, I must admit, recently your attitude has improved. Hopefully, it's not just for show

Lol, I think I am the same person I've been all along

 

[guru1000]

I think we are saying the same thing though. I have a list of criteria and I'm finding very few women that fit said criteria.

Let's address this first, and then your criteria.

Did you find zero--or--very few suitable contenders. I seem to recollect you had stated a while back you met 5-6 suitables, and then you retracted and said zero. Which is it?

Important to be crystal clear here.

 

[Tenacity]

Let's address this first, and then your criteria.

Did you find zero--or--very few suitable contenders. I seem to recollect you had stated a while back you met 5-6 suitables, and then you retracted and said zero. Which is it?

Important to be crystal clear here.

I would say since March 2010 it's been at least 200 women I've dated and/or fvcked. In terms of women that fit EVERY SINGLE thing on my criteria.......I found probablyyyy 2 or 3. Probablyyyy. In terms of ones that came very close....I found about 2 or 3 of those.

Hence, why I told you in a prior time that about 5 or 6 women were close to the criteria.

 

[guru1000]

I would say since March 2010 it's been at least 200 women I've dated and/or fvcked. In terms of women that fit EVERY SINGLE thing on my criteria.......I found probablyyyy 2 or 3. Probablyyyy. In terms of ones that came very close....I found about 2 or 3 of those.

Hence, why I told you in a prior time that about 5 or 6 women were close to the criteria.

1% is extremely low. Is that 1% who met the criteria--or--1% who met the criteria and who were also interested in you. Though, I do remember you stating that you did go off on these chicks, and they scattered.

K, let's examine your list:
- Black
- Good looks, prefer my definition of a 7 and higher
- Age 24 to 33
- No kids
- Good Finances
- No personality or attitude issues or high maintenance issues
- Good interest level

This is a very reasonable list for white, Asian, or Hispanic women. Though, I would do away with the "high maintenance" requirement, as a girl who is top-tier will likely be high-maintenance, not so much on you but for herself.

I would say qualifying LTRs down to a 2-3% ratio makes you extremely picky, but 1% is absurd. So you have to enter a different market or adjust your qualifications. As you had stated that if your qualifications are lowered, you lose all interest in LTRing, then, you have no alternative other than choosing a new market.

Like mentioned earlier, you should start a thread here to document your journey pursuing other markets, which include non-American blacks, and Hispanic/White women with big booties who are into black guys. The Dominican market would serve you great: Many of them are black with sick bodies, and are very cultured and traditional. You could target Dominican events or Dominican OLD.

 

[Tenacity]

1% is extremely low. Is that 1% who met the criteria--or--1% who met the criteria and who were also interested in you. Though, I do remember you stating that you did go off on these chicks, and they scattered.

K, let's examine your list:
- Black
- Good looks, prefer my definition of a 7 and higher
- Age 24 to 33
- No kids
- Good Finances
- No personality or attitude issues or high maintenance issues
- Good interest level

This is a very reasonable list for white, Asian, or Hispanic women. Though, I would do away with the "high maintenance" requirement, as a girl who is top-tier will likely be high-maintenance, not so much on you but for herself.

I would say qualifying LTRs down to a 2-3% ratio makes you extremely picky, but 1% is absurd. So you have to enter a different market or adjust your qualifications. As you had stated that if your qualifications are lowered, you lose all interest in LTRing, then, you have no alternative other than choosing a new market.

Like mentioned earlier, you should start a thread here to document your journey pursuing other markets, which include non-American blacks, and Hispanic/White women with big booties who are into black guys. The Dominican market would serve you great: Many of them are black with sick bodies, and are very cultured and traditional. You could target Dominican events or Dominican OLD.

I am talking to a African chick right now that seems to fit just about everything on the LTR list....I just started talking to her though so I have to let that play out more before running here and confirming. But she's African and most Africans are well aware of the issues with "African American Women".

And yes, that 1% calculation is what was happening, it was to the point where the 4 to 6 women who "probablyyyy" were LTR enough, just got lost in the shuffle dude. Let me provide some additional notes for your review:

- The high maintenance stuff with these chicks manifests to where they start asking me for money to pitch in for hair, nails, and shyt like that. I'm just not the type of guy to do that, no matter how much money I have, because I live a very Minimalist lifestyle and save 40% to 70% of the money I make a year.

- If I took my criteria down to just Black, Good looks (7+), Age 24 to 33, No kids, and Good Finances.....these women only would represent maybe 12% of the 200 pile. Reason being, I RARELY run into a black woman that looks good AND has good finances. Usually she looks good with poor finances, or has good finances but doesn't look as good.

I am going to explore Foreign women because I think they might be better targets. I honestly don't think White Women or Latino Women will be THAT much different than Black Women. There is still sadly a stigma with inter-racial dating for one, then two, MOST of the White Women that "go out of the way" to date Black Guys come off or try to act like a watered down version of a Black Chick anyway (which I hateeee when they do that).

 

[guru1000]

I am talking to a African chick right now that seems to fit just about everything on the LTR list....I just started talking to her though so I have to let that play out more before running here and confirming. But she's African and most Africans are well aware of the issues with "African American Women".

Cool.

- The high maintenance stuff with these chicks manifests to where they start asking me for money to pitch in for hair, nails, and shyt like that.

Instant deal breaker.

I am going to explore Foreign women because I think they might be better targets. I honestly don't think White Women or Latino Women will be THAT much different than Black Women. There is still sadly a stigma with inter-racial dating for one, then two, MOST of the White Women that date Black Guys come off or try to act like a watered down version of a Black Chick anyway (which I hateeee when they do that).

Like I said, your criteria is nothing special among the women I date. And I date Hispanic women too. Different genetics; different culture; different upbringing.

Remember: IF you go to the desert looking for sand buyers, you're going to come up short and could blame the desert for being a terrible market and you would be correct, but who chose the market? Either way the onus falls on your research, due diligence, and decision-making process. Most businesses fail for providing specialized products before doing assiduous market research. How is this any different?

Now you know what market no longer serves your interests. Act accordingly.