BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

[wifehunter]

Isn't marriage a ritual and a sacrament? Isn't there some form of public authority performing a ceremony? Is it not a public expression/ confession? How then can it precede Church and state?

Marriage is an institution of the family unit, and was instituted in the Genesis.(beginning). This happened before the church, before government, and before the fall of mankind.

All the typical marriage formalities are undue respect to arrogant, power hungry, morons.

Most people, are uninformed of this fact.

There is a good chance...this is why the divorce rate stands at 50%.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Many guys are uninformed. Imagine if we started teaching red pill concepts to boys in public schools. After some time women would become better human beings in general.

Or the old purple.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Literally the highest quality woman I know told me this, not to mention many low quality ones. Of course, most cheaters proclaim "well we ain't married" ex post facto.

"If ya ain't married you single".... Thing about it, is with that mindset why would one be dumb enough to marry one who can't commit?

 

[BeExcellent]

That's why I thought the statement deserved a thread of its own. BE spoke the unvarnished truth about how women view commitment.

Again, for the women of the board, what are the implications for LTRs with regard to the statement that is the title of this thread?

-Augustus-

I realized my comment in the other thread was going to get some folks hyperventilating. This is TRP, correct? Might as well tell the straight up truth and explain the rationale as to why women think this way. I don't see how that hurts anybody & it is an insight worth noting and a discussion worth having.

Frankly @AJ84 explained it even more succinctly than I did. Why expend energy and emotional investment on a man who isn't looking to build a life & family together if that is in fact what a woman deeply desires?

Also, to be utterly fair, women aren't the only ones with an agenda. We ALL have some sort of agenda, men and women both.

The neat trick is finding someone whose agenda lines up with your own.

Cheers

 

[BeExcellent]

The implication is that you should keep your options open, like she is.

Correct.

However all relationships are negotiated between the 2 people in the relation according to what their individual needs and goals happen to be.

Therefore it's impossible to paint with a binary broad brush.

 

[guru1000]

I realized my comment in the other thread was going to get some folks hyperventilating. This is TRP, correct? Might as well tell the straight up truth and explain the rationale as to why women think this way. I don't see how that hurts anybody & it is an insight worth noting and a discussion worth having.

Frankly @AJ84 explained it even more succinctly than I did. Why expend energy and emotional investment on a man who isn't looking to build a life & family together if that is in fact what a woman deeply desires?

Also, to be utterly fair, women aren't the only ones with an agenda. We ALL have some sort of agenda, men and women both.

The neat trick is finding someone whose agenda lines up with your own.

Cheers

Haha, love this.

Ya gentlemen, stop hyperventilating, and grow some skin. Seems like this lady has thicker skin than some of you.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Haha, love this.

Ya gentlemen, stop hyperventilating, and grow some skin. Seems like this lady has thicker skin than some of you.

And you threatened to sue SoSuave if BlueAlpha1 was not banned simply because he had differing beliefs than you. You even had to get facial injections and take steroids along with aromatase inhibitors so that you could be more aesthetically pleasing because you cared too much about society’s impression of your outward appearance. How ironic.

 

[guru1000]

Aww my son is upset.

That’s what happens when 18 year olds take trenbolone. They get a face and back full of cysts, that eventually marinate toward their mind.

Get off the sauce.

 

[fastlife]

And I think to myself, what a egotistical world.....

About as egotistical as expecting someone to fulfill all of the sexual and emotional needs of you and only you, forever and ever, even if it might not always be in her best interests and it might mean giving up he dreams or lifestyle choices

You guys that want to spin plates endlessly are not going to attract the best young women for LTR. Maybe hot ones but not the best ones. The best ones simply are not going to put up with that for any length of time. They know better, they know their value.

Aw c'mon @BeExcellent, you're smarter & more nuanced than that.

Desire for commitment =/= Suitability for commitment.

Every girl is a unicorn to a man who's naive enough to believe her. IME--and all I have is two years of meeting multiple young women every single week and a decade or so of post-pubescent observation of & participation in the dynamics of girls & guys before that--across the board, insecurity in a woman is the single best predictor of how hard she pushes for commitment. Now, are there possibly traditionally-minded virgins who are looking for that one really good man to devote herself to forever? Possibly lol, but you better start taking the Roy Moore approach because by the time she has a four year degree you might be dealing with 1/1000. Maybe.

But realistically, if you live in America, chances are none of the guys here are likely to meet that woman. I've met, dated, etc. some absolutely exceptional women--top shelf by any standard you could hold them to (other than not being virgins if you care about that type of thing lol); but most guys won't put in the time and effort I do to meet enough women to really be able to accurately judge their character. Across the board, I've noticed that the women with the highest self-esteem are the least worried about titles; they know their worth, they've met other high value men & they're realistic about what it takes to land a high value man. Most guys, if they're running into this kind of situation are getting played.

If a woman is clear in her intent & everything checks out & she's fun to be around, then, sure, give her the chance to show who she really is--and to convey enough value to convince you that commitment to her might be an alright gamble. But if she tries to lay down some ultimatum to put you in her frame, then chances are she's just not that into you or is operating from ulterior motives and your best move is not to play.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Aww my son is upset.

That’s what happens when 18 year olds take trenbolone. They get a face and back full of cysts, that eventually marinate toward their mind.

Get off the sauce.

I am pleased that you think I am juicing. But the thing is, I am 100% natural. I know right??? AMAZING! An 18 year old who has a better back than a steroid user

I naturally have broad shoulders (I am 5’11.5 and my arm span is 6’5 - 6’6). I have competitively swam and played water polo. And I used to practice doing pull-ups every day from 14-15. I was able to do 53 of them back then. I can’t do that now of course, but I also weigh more and my arms are disproportionately longer than my height. 100% natty.







































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































srs

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

About as egotistical as expecting someone to fulfill all of the sexual and emotional needs of you and only you, forever and ever, even if it might not always be in her best interests and it might mean giving up he dreams or lifestyle choices
.

Once again egoism + egoism.

Sexual needs from the ego's perspective are sexual desire's from a non-ego perspective [and so controllable].... and you would screen out ego-driven women for LTRs if you felt the 'need' for one.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

did we really need a whole new thread to debate the already thoroughly explored and supported idea of alpha fvcks, beta bucks?

womens sexual strategy is duplicitous by nature. even her libido is cyclical

young women (up to 25-30) - c0ck caraousel. sleep around with good looking (often "bad" boy) guys but are fully aware and cognizant that these men will not likely be sticking around to provide for her long term security/provisioning needs - alpha fvcks

older women (30+) - realize the wall is on the horizon. begin to focus less on looks and pre-selection, more forgiving of mens flaws, give more importance to a man that is established with assets to some reasonable degree for her long term security/provisioning needs.

both of these phases are directly reflective of how attractive she is/remains and therefore directly affects the amount/quality of each type of man she can attain. ie the longer she stays bangable, the longer the "wall" phase is delayed

her sexual strategy is fluid and can also change at any phase if the need or temptation arises (think soccer moms that get bored of hubby, pick fights, start dressing provactively and start having "girls night out" again )

hypergamy is the cause of single mothers who remarry some poor bastard that takes care of another mans progeny and still ends up getting cheated on only to end up on this website or worse

hypergamy is what causes your gf to "need some space" "needs to find herself"

hypergamy is what causes women to divorce your ass, take half your shlt and start banging her personal instructor


marriage for "love" is something new. people used to marry for purely practical reasons (and still do in some countries) we can argue that in a feminine defined reality, marriage evolved to help women keep a high value man (and his resources) to herself and away from younger, better looking competition or that it evolved as a contingency plan against hypergamy. but thats a whole diff topic.

this isnt complicated people. theres literally scientific studies to back this up which anyone can look up if they were so inclined.

understand a womans sexual strategy and you wont be left scratching your head at the things they do

I understand all that.

But how does this relate to them lip synching hip-hop songs at the bar? All these theories make sense when you're at home, but you go out and see a bunch of alcoholics and drug addicts.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the female brain has not evolved past the Stone Age. Life in the Stone Age was HARD. A constant struggle for survival. Sure, girls might have it easier when it comes to getting jobs in today's world, but they still have to work for money most of the time.

A guy with money does have value. But why the hell would I want to give it to them?

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Hanging so much on some admission of duplicity of her game from a woman on the internet is looking for female validation taken to a massive extreme.

Frames get validated in the field. And anyone who's had just a handful of girlfriends knows more than beexcellent ever will.

Guys should trust and prioritize their own experience more. Not care for women reframing that experience in ways that suit them.

If you're referring to the subject of this thread, consider:

There are some men on the forum who aren't as advanced and knowledgeable as you are. Some of them are in the stages of learning about the nature of women. They honestly don't have the amount of field experience as others do.

In addition, there are some men on this forum who seem to be followers of BE. I thought it might be instructional if they knew that, at her core, she is just like every other woman in terms of AF/BB and hypergamy. She is not a unicorn or special snowflake.

-Augustus-

 

[Tenacity]

did we really need a whole new thread to debate the already thoroughly explored and supported idea of alpha fvcks, beta bucks?

womens sexual strategy is duplicitous by nature. even her libido is cyclical

young women (up to 25-30) - c0ck caraousel. sleep around with good looking (often "bad" boy) guys but are fully aware and cognizant that these men will not likely be sticking around to provide for her long term security/provisioning needs - alpha fvcks

older women (30+) - realize the wall is on the horizon. begin to focus less on looks and pre-selection, more forgiving of mens flaws, give more importance to a man that is established with assets to some reasonable degree for her long term security/provisioning needs - beta bucks

both of these phases are directly reflective of how attractive she is/remains and therefore directly affects the amount/quality of each type of man she can attain. ie the longer she stays bangable, the longer the "wall" phase is delayed

her sexual strategy is fluid and can also change at any phase if the need or temptation arises (think soccer moms that get bored of hubby, pick fights, start dressing provactively and start having "girls night out" again )

hypergamy is the cause of single mothers who remarry some poor bastard that takes care of another mans progeny and still ends up getting cheated on only to end up on this website or worse

hypergamy is what causes your gf to "need some space" "needs to find herself"

hypergamy is what causes women to divorce your ass, take half your shlt and start banging her personal instructor


marriage for "love" is something new. people used to marry for purely practical reasons (and still do in some countries) we can argue that in a feminine defined reality, marriage evolved to help women keep a high value man (and his resources) to herself and away from younger, better looking competition or that it evolved as a contingency plan against hypergamy. but thats a whole diff topic.

this isnt complicated people. theres literally scientific studies to back this up which anyone can look up if they were so inclined.

understand a womans sexual strategy and you wont be left scratching your head at the things they do

Bro now THIS is an excellent, excellent, EXCELLENT post!!

 

[ubercat]

I'm with Christopher Columbus on this one marriage is a child rearing expense. If you found a woman of high enough quality to be the mother of your children and you don't think you can do better raising children in a strong committed relationship is best. However women initiate 80% of divorces so keep working on yourself and don't believe it will be forever. If it doesn't last hopefully you've got some great kids you've raised. Once the kids are raised woman will go with the best deal they can. And since they are emotional creatures that might be the cute barista with the tatts and the horse d1ck. And protect your assets as much as possible.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I'm with Christopher Columbus on this one marriage is a child rearing expense. If you found a woman of high enough quality to be the mother of your children and you don't think you can do better raising children in a strong committed relationship is best. However women initiate 80% of divorces so keep working on yourself and don't believe it will be forever. If it doesn't last hopefully you've got some great kids you've raised. Once the kids are raised woman will go with the best deal they can. And since they are emotional creatures that might be the cute barista with the tatts and the horse d1ck. And protect your assets as much as possible.

Bull$h1t. It's impossible to keep someone interested eternally in a world of 7 billion people.

"Working on yourself" is nonsense. Put the blame on THEM (or the legal system) as to why they cornered you in that situation in the first place.

 

[ubercat]

Reading comprehension? Working on yourself is for yourself. That gives you the confidence to kick her ass out the door if she is exhibiting long-term bad behaviour. I said don't believe it will last forever. That does not equate to trying to keep her eternally interested.

 

[Von]

Both of them recognize that sex=marriage so neither would have as many options as modern people.

People that grow up in a "sex=marriage" environment have options, but they sort through their options differently.

But the flip side is the idea of "sex=marriage" is back when most people believed that (or at least the majority of their social circle) so that there was a strong external pressure to KEEP the marriage together (e.g. work through difficulties).

The whole idea of marriage was back when few people played around, and few people got divorced.

I would guess that girls who had a genuine "my pvssy is only for marriage" would have a pretty low divorce rate, as they (nor their husbands) would treat marriage casually.

A girl that really BELIEVES "my pvssy is for marriage" wouldn't likely cheat, unless her personality changed significantly during the marriage (e.g. third world girl becoming westernized etc.)

I am currently dating, à women who is westernized and quite christian (extreme) and is in first expériences of dating although she's an adult.

Gotta say, I am happy with her.

Last night, we had à deep serious talk almost an argument... about sex and marriage.

For her marriage is : 1) access to sex 2) access to living together 3) promise to god etc...

She was raised that even kissing was prohibited before mariage.

As we date (7months soon) she's physically more open to me... but nothing sexual other than kissing. (yes she submitted to me on that)

Last night, it was me basically telling her i am going crazy, my testostérone is ****ing my brain.

Yes marriage is quite à commitment, but it doesnt guarante 1) happines 2) that we can live together....

Its truth: look at divorce raté (even after 50 years marriage), or LTR that fails when people moving in together.

Its one Damn big leap of faith with no knowledge and full of questions. She goes on about we will make it, divorce is not an option, that why we dating to screen, look at all the christian who date for 5years without sex etc...

Everyone here knows: you are guaranted nothing other than results of your actions.

I've told her: you are àt your first.. it's normal its the most important and marking one.. so normal you wait.. like a teen girl with her first boyfriend.. however, i've been around... and sex is part of GF/BF life and making its REAL... to know that passions ain't blinding us in fairy tale Land and than after mariage we are: "that's it?"

She even told me how woman find their "husband" after marriage différent from the man they married. (red flag for expérience DJ).

Anyway, waiting this long and still waiting made me know: I am in for her personality, brain, inner beauty, faith.. but that sex is also important but not the driver.

People are marrying for love now, not duty or ressources. Choices are endless... and I told her: it's possible for me to find à girl like you that would accept sex... but I am here with you.

You are in or not, I need to feel its réal.

Physically, she keep barriers still and no touch rules.. that hurts me all the time. I know where she's coming from but there is Damn limits.

In the end: only issue is we are not married.. but why marry someone you don't know intimately... and how you know someone intimately? By being intimate and in their zone (like under the same roof)

We all know that, we all lived the: being together 5 years at 2 times à week, but didnt survive the moving in.

She feel i pressured her alot, indeed sex talk been pretty présent and needy from me in our dating. I've keep frame, but kept pushing and talking about it (cause it bothers me).... it might give good or bad results.. but it also tells me she's in for me. (and not some hitting the wall)

She does sort stuff differently, but she never tasted anything outside of it (pure and innocence) but she has expectations... expectations needs filling otherwise.. ouch and here come frame battles.

I read à part of the bible in the corinthian section about pleasure of the body and marriage: they were mentionning how people were promiscious (sleeping around)

Heck my gf even said: there is no proof Mary mother of god was virgin because engaged Jews have sex before mariage.

Still, they mentionned how living your passions should be in married life but married man should be single/alone once in a while. Etc..

This marriage and sex talk remind me of this movie scène (dont know the movie or scene) about à elderly man in a Ball (dance bal for the rich) ask this young lady for a dance, than he hits on her.. the young lady says: my lord, I am married.

The answer of the old man: "It's a unfornate circumstance but, let me tell you, how marriage for woman of the past was the gateway to sexual liberty"

End of my rant lol.

 

[ubercat]

Once again guys I come from a different world. In Australia we have common law marriage so if you move a chick in after 6 months you're married in the eyes of the law. So getting married isn't a big decision over here. Whereas in Britain that's when the financial liability so I get it

It's interesting my current girlfriend is at a much lower financial level than me and hasn't pushed the marriage agenda after two years. She might be playing the long game. Otherwise I guess I will have to believe in NAWALT. Any statistical population has outliers so it might be possible. Or maybe I don't have enough value to be worth marrying - woot woot.

 

[guru1000]

You have an epistemological problem. Everyone learns.

Unfortunately you are not learning. Just becoming more cynical over the years.

Bright professional future; dismal dating.