BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

There are still virgins out there who will not give up sex until the wedding night.

He voices that RichardTheFrog used to hear have crept into your consciousness as well.

Emotionally it is foolish for a woman to give up her body without commitment because then she is open to emotional hurt and the damage associated with it.

This is only for virgins. Which we’ve already established do not exist under the age of 17. You live in Texas, you of all people should know. Y’all start fvcking at a younger age than any other state. You might be politically ‘conservative’, but rednecks do it young

but I know numerous older (elderly now) women who would tell a young lady the same thing...namely that if a man isn't willing to put a ring on it, you need to have your eyes open for someone else, because the current man doesn't like you well enough.

Elder women ≠ women of today. They lived in a totally different time period. I am not willing to marry any of your 80+ elders because of reasons that do not need saying. But what beautiful woman of TODAY thinks the same way your grandparents do/did?

From a woman's perspective (especially a marriage/family minded/traditional woman) this is actually excellent advice. How many women end up in 4 year and 5 year relationships with men who are never planning to marry and these women end up wasting years of their reproductive potential with men who are enjoying them sexually but do not plan to marry them? Plenty.

Yet at the same time, how many of these women were planning to be married right away too? Not plenty. In fact, it would be almost none at all, and that’s a generous amount relative to other states up north. No one wants to get married right away. But when women are struggling to hold up the facade for longer, that’s when they push for marriage. This way, they feel secure that they have the man, and then they can finally relax and show who they really are. Typically it happens at around the 5-year mark. That’s what happened with my parents and it’s also what everyone else here who is more relationship-inclined says as well.

I think there are still women who are raised with traces of what my granny believed running around, and many of you here have been dumped after a while by a woman who wants marriage/family because you weren't going in that direction.

You as a woman misinterpreted 100% of those posts then. They did not want marriage because they were ‘traditionally-minded’, they wanted it becuse their biological clock was ticking, and they knew that the only way to force any man on here into providing for her and her would-be child is to legally mandate them through the noose that is marriage. There is no such thing as ‘traditional’ marriage anymore. Don’t you get it?

There are still men around who want a traditional wife & family and few young women who understand the value that confers to a man.

This means naught since these same women will not follow it though

My comment in the other thread is more about how young women seeking marriage and family may behave in the context of the LTR if their deeper desire (to be married) goes unsatisfied. Many of those girls will branch swing. I don't think that should surprise anyone, I'm merely explaining the rationale behind some of it.

Fair enough. But you did not tell us the darker aspects of why women believe that too though. The last reason that you didn’t point out is because women instinctually know that there needs to be some way to bind their man to them forever somehow some way so that he will be forced to provide for her forever. That’s what happened with Lorena Bobbit; she tried forcing her husband to remain with her forever, but the logical part of her brain did not work very well at all because her emotions overshadowed it, hence why she did not think to any of the repercussions that would follow. Rather, she acted only off of her instinctually-guided emotions. This means that tying down a man to provide for you forever is instinctual rather than socially nurturable. That doesn’t mean to incapacitate your husband, but oftentimes you women do that anyway. You do this by gradually handing out what we call ‘sh!ttests’ to whither away your husband’s attractiveness so that way no other woman finds him attractive anymore. What you don’t realize is that by incapacitating him, you may have incapacitated yourself too. And as such, you lose attraction for your man. This is the reason why when women get angry, they will destroy themselves in the process of destroying others; it stems from their biological urge of incapacitating so that they and only they can have control over a person/thing. Selfishness is an evolutionary trait in regards to mating so it makes sense.

Ahhh, the dark side of women that has long been forgotten. I have found you, and have answered my own question that I have asked so long ago in reading and analyzing this post. Thank you, BE.

 

[AJ84]

But you didn't answer why a guy would want to do that. You just said that nobody has to.

You're asking a female why a guy would want to get married. Maybe one of the guys can answer this?

I can't go down the rabbit hole with you again, it's like being tethered to the back of a train, on a bumpy rail, in the freezing cold, and the train's going nowhere.

 

[wifehunter]

Marriage is a tricky and mysterious subject. The idea was established, before mankind fukked everything up. Before that, there was no divorce.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I have news guys. This is what the women do who are the best wife/mother candidates. They keep moving until they find a man who is similarly serious about family.

This is so misleading. When you say they keep moving, you mean that they branchswing. You need to stop using euphemisms to make it seem like it’s better than it really is.

And then they embrace that traditional role (and the very REAL risks that come with it.)

They only embrace it if there ARE risks to not embracing it. In marriage, there are no risks for a woman unless she has kids, and it is almost always in her favor anyway. But since there are none outside of that, they don’t embrace any form of traditional roles whatsoever.

Y'all go on about the financial risks to a man in marriage while failing to acknowledge the physical risks to a woman in bearing children. Both are very real.

These risks have declined so much so, due to technological advances, that this is negligible. Of course, all of your pain costs the hospital money, so then someone needs to pay for it. I wonder who....

You guys that want to spin plates endlessly are not going to attract the best young women for LTR. Maybe hot ones but not the best ones. The best ones simply are not going to put up with that for any length of time. They know better, they know their value.

Now let’s look at this strictly from a biological standpoint: these women who are plated are hot. Being sexually attractive shows that you have good genes. Now you just want fvck each other, and that’s it, simply because you are both attracted to one another. An ugly woman has no such chance at doing so because she is not desireable. If she were to become attractive though, she would do just the same. She isn’t though, so she works on her personality and other factors that can make her seem like a more suitable partner. But she would not do this if she was extremely attractive. This whole concept disregards your point.

And by the way, once she gets married to a poor sucker, the gig is up and she can relax because he has just handed her the lever that releases the guillotine through the government’s approval. She no longer has to be sweet and caring anymore because he is legally obligated to care for her now or else get shagged so far up the ass that his teeth break.

 

[AJ84]

There's already a thread about marriage for and against right.

If someone believes in or wants to get married who cares? Why is this a thing for guys who don't want to? What business is it of anyone other than than the guy who wants to get married? Call them a cuck, beta, sucker or what have you, if it makes you feel better about an opinion and action that has absolutely no impact on your personal life.

 

[BeExcellent]

But what beautiful woman of TODAY thinks the same way your grandparents do/did?

Plenty. I know daughters of my friends who have those values, my own daughters are being raised with those values, and I know young women who are recently married (children of friends of mine) who also share those values. I know more women with good values than not in all age groups. It's who I hang around with so I actually see it all the time. Now most of these are women raised in conservative, faith based contexts, so if that isn't your cup of tea I don't know what to tell you.

You've said before you think church people are fake or whatever else and you don't like hanging out with people you think are fake. OK. But own the fact that such a viewpoint is YOUR hangup and not a reflection on these groups you look at with disdain. You disdain the groups where the likelihood of meeting the better women is actually higher. That is a reflection on your own self image, nothing more. So I can't take much of what you say seriously. Sorry.

Your second post is outrageously inaccurate and ignorant. What do you know about pregnancy? Technology has NOT changed the risks of pregnancy itself, it has improved outcomes for them as well as birth outcomes in developed countries. You have NO idea what you are discussing there whatsoever. For someone who claims to want to be a doctor? Really? Go shadow the residents in labor and delivery. Go volunteer in the NICU. You are incredibly ignorant. The man I'm dating nearly lost his firstborn, who was 6 weeks premature because his then wife could not carry the child. They had to be emergency airlifted to Brook Army. I myself had to have an emergency surgical birth. My son had twirled around in the womb and gotten the cord wrapped about his neck 3 times while I was in labor. Had I not had a C-section he would have been strangled during birth.

But oh sure, the 18 year old says none of that happens any more. Um, yes, it does. I know a man who lost his wife and his twins in childbirth 2 years ago at a nationally prestigious hospital due to complications during birth. So let's understand you are now talking out of your ass and have no idea whatsoever. I'm in healthcare pal. There's a REASON obstetrics is the highest liability specialty. It's because the RISK IS REAL. Don't take my word for it, go read the actuarial tables the accountants put out. You might learn something.

Says the man who thinks he ought to just become a "bad guy" because life is too hard. Suck it up buttercup. At least you never have to be pregnant

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Richard, there are good women out there.

Ha!

Women who were never promiscuous and who are worthy mates, mothers and life partners.

Ha!

Your assumptions about women and your inability to interact socially do not grant you access to these women. Great men who want to get married are not having any issue finding good young women to marry.

The last two were funny. But this is just insulting. There is a reason why very few men are happy with heir marriages. Howiestern is the perfect example of a good man who had his marriage turn sour. 14 years of absolute bliss squashed under a spiked boot, spit on with name of some Chad with his semen, and all turned meaningless because the last year was a little bit rougher than the previous 14. How utterly sh!tty.

My banker was going on about what a great young lady his son has married, what a nice family she comes from, how they are buying a home together and how they are planning a family.

Why would he ever say anything else though? People will not tell you how bad things are, only how good they are. You are a prime example of this so you of all people should know. That is hurr-durr logic right there to blindly believe everything to truly be peaches & cream.

Some men see value in being married and having a family and creating deep intimacy with a life partner. Some don't. But barking about where's the value when you don't have the same value set is an exercise in silliness. Honestly. That's like ridiculing someone for having different political beliefs than yours. The other guy is entitled to his beliefs and will operate his life based on his beliefs, just as we all do. That's all that is going on here. Different people conducting their own lives based on their individual beliefs.

As someone who does have this value set though and makes fun of Richard all the time, I cannot deny the truth in a lot of his statements. It is the truth that I have known for years. And it is a truth you are overlooking.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You're asking a female why a guy would want to get married. Maybe one of the guys can answer this?

I can't go down the rabbit hole with you again, it's like being tethered to the back of a train, on a bumpy rail, in the freezing cold, and the train's going nowhere.

I don't remember any past conversations with you.

Yes, when there is no answer, things can get drawn out. You're going to blame me for posing the question?

2+2=4. That's a question with an answer.

Many, if not most, things that feminists say have no logical answer because they DO NOT MAKE SENSE.

It all goes back to the fact that females are the weaker, inferior half of the species who rely on males for their survival and trade their eggs/sex so that they don't die. This truth is lost in the modern, technological world. There is a reason that it took 200,000 years for females to get any power in the world.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Plenty. I know daughters of my friends who have those values, my own daughters are being raised with those values, and I know young women who are recently married (children of friends of mine) who also share those values. I know more women with good values than not in all age groups. It's who I hang around with so I actually see it all the time. Now most of these are women raised in conservative, faith based contexts, so if that isn't your cup of tea I don't know what to tell you.

But are they BEAUTIFUL. Not by female standards of ‘beauty is on the inside’, I am talking by male standards of ‘damn she fine’.

You've said before you think church people are fake or whatever else and you don't like hanging out with people you think are fake.

The church is fake because I believe that Christianity is bull****. That’s why I said it. I am appalled that so many people are suckered into that religion, but hey it kept the peace for hundreds of years and then also caused even more violence again and then peace again, so I guess the peacefulness parts were alright.

But own the fact that such a viewpoint is YOUR hangup and not a reflection on these groups you look at with disdain. You disdain the groups where the likelihood of meeting the better women is actually higher. That is a reflection on your own self image, nothing more. So I can't take much of what you say seriously. Sorry.

I speak from being born into a much more strict and religious household than you ever could imagine. And in my dealings with the people who I am even today still dealing with, I can see that many are fake. Don’t underestimate me BE, I actually have gone to more religious gatherings and have prayed much more than you have. I am less than half your age and I make this claim with extreme confidence. The only person who could rival me in this is a devout Muslim, and even they would be hard-pressed to beat me. I KNOW what I am talking about. I just don’t feel like using the indirect language of political correctness right now and would much rather speak direct, albeit re-reading some of my posts I see that I do come off as abrasive.

Says the man who thinks he ought to just become a "bad guy" because life is too hard. Suck it up buttercup.

And here we go with personal insults. BE, understand this: I may be dying. You just might outlive me. So do me a favor and piss off regarding my personal affairs.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

@Augustus_McCrae I saw your comment on the other thread. Just to be clear this is what I said:



I'm going to explain the comment so the board can better understand WHY a woman would hold this view. I realize there will be flaming and gnashing of teeth about what I am about to say, and that's OK. Not everything that serves a man's agenda serves a traditionally minded woman's agenda.

Don't miss the second part of the comment, this is VERY old school and was espoused by my grandmother. Let me explain why. The way I was raised was that sex was reserved for marriage, and that dating was for the express purpose of life mate selection. I was further raised that if a man was not interested in marriage that a woman is foolish to stick around because she is then wasting her time on a man who isn't planning to marry her and as such she is foolish to be exclusive (e.g. not open to other suitors) with someone who isn't serious about her as a life partner. That is why you have marriage VOWS. You are publicly vowing to be committed/exclusive. You don't do that in any other relationship because no other relationship agreement is that formal with formal expectations. That is an extremely conservative view.

So just understand the context. Also, that type of arrangement is typical for a young woman who plans to be married and have her husband's children and build a family. There are still virgins out there who will not give up sex until the wedding night. Emotionally it is foolish for a woman to give up her body without commitment because then she is open to emotional hurt and the damage associated with it. Think of it this way...My grandmother and my mother-in-law and my mother, who all married as virgins, never went through the heavy emotional hurt of a breakup where they were sexually intimate with a man and then dumped or left. My mother had other issues so I'm not going to include her because she was screwed up in other ways, but I know numerous older (elderly now) women who would tell a young lady the same thing...namely that if a man isn't willing to put a ring on it, you need to have your eyes open for someone else, because the current man doesn't like you well enough.

From a woman's perspective (especially a marriage/family minded/traditional woman) this is actually excellent advice. How many women end up in 4 year and 5 year relationships with men who are never planning to marry and these women end up wasting years of their reproductive potential with men who are enjoying them sexually but do not plan to marry them? Plenty.

Marriage is a different level of commitment. It just IS. It is the election for the woman to say I will bear your children (which is still physically hazardous to a woman in a very real way - can be incapacitating or deadly - its a serious risk for mother and baby), and it is two people saying legally and publicly that they are now a family. Traditionally after marriage the couple resides together, the woman changes her legal name, the "two become one".

Obviously modern society has blurred the lines from what was typical in my grandmother's day. In my grandmother's day young people got married young and didn't date for years and years because the man wanted sex and had to get married to get it. Except in very conservative societies those days are largely gone. Women give out sex freely and living together is common without marriage.

Hopefully that explains the rationale behind the comment. I think there are still women who are raised with traces of what my granny believed running around, and many of you here have been dumped after a while by a woman who wants marriage/family because you weren't going in that direction.

For someone like me, things change because the child bearing phase of life is over and my priorities are different. But I am raising my daughters to understand what my grandmother taught me. There are still men around who want a traditional wife & family and few young women who understand the value that confers to a man. So I see both ends of the spectrum up close and personal.

Now if you Augustus have arrived at an arrangement that suits you and your LTR, that is great. Relationships happen on an individual level between 2 people who can agree to whatever they please. Zekko has done this and been in an LTR for over 10 years. At some point I will settle into a similar arrangement as I'm not doing the babies/family thing anymore.

My comment in the other thread is more about how young women seeking marriage and family may behave in the context of the LTR if their deeper desire (to be married) goes unsatisfied. Many of those girls will branch swing. I don't think that should surprise anyone, I'm merely explaining the rationale behind some of it.

BE, from your words, it's obvious that you value marriage and that you view it as a greater level of commitment than two people privately declaring that they love each other and that they will be exclusive.

You've stated that emotionally it's foolish for a woman to "give up her body" without commitment.

So, are you saving yourself for marriage again? Are you going to require a marriage commitment before you "give up your body" to a man again? And if not, why not?

-Augustus-

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Marriage is a tricky and mysterious subject. The idea was established, before mankind fukked everything up. Before that, there was no divorce.

There were no legal contracts when hunter gatherers used to pair up to raise children. Surrounded by an extended family to offer support or foster parenting in case one of the parents dies.

I do know lots of people today that raise children and cohabitate without getting married. That's probably the way to go.

 

[BeExcellent]

BE, from your words, it's obvious that you value marriage and that you view it as a greater level of commitment than two people privately declaring that they love each other and that they will be exclusive.

You've stated that emotionally it's foolish for a woman to "give up her body" without commitment.

So, are you saving yourself for marriage again? Are you going to require a marriage commitment before you "give up your body" to a man again? And if not, why not?

-Augustus-

I know you are familiar with my story. I do not plan to to re-marry due to the financial risk involved as I have stated numerous times. If I were to consider it I would require as ironclad a pre-nump as I could find...because my assets have to take care of myself and my ex for the rest of our lives, and fund higher education for my children. Those things I have consistently stated here.

Because I am no longer in the child bearing phase of life and as a result of the outcome of my own marriage I cannot say that marriage represents the best choice for me personally now. Additionally I do not need a man's financial resources as I have my own. However I do enjoy men and the company of a man, I enjoy sex, appreciate a good man's leadership & companionship and prefer not to do without those things. I'm still at my core a traditional gal. Rewarding relationships make life richer and at the end of the day one's relationships are what's most important in life. For me personally I envision a LTR where I am sexually active and monogamous. There are several reasons for this stance. First is that I am serious about safeguarding my health. STDs are alive and well and can still be very serious with lifelong repercussions. Second is I prefer to build emotional depth and intimacy and this takes time and emotional investment. I see physical exclusivity as having value from that perspective to be sure. Thirdly I prefer intimacy rather than novelty/variety.

As an experienced woman my self worth is no longer tied to how a man feels about me. I know who I am and have deep seated confidence. So I am not affected by emotional whims of someone else the way young people almost always are. I'm not going to be devastated or damaged if something doesn't work out. I know if I choose physical intimacy what I am getting myself into emotionally. I know I might get hurt, and I know how to navigate that. I'm not afraid to be vulnerable and exposed and I'm not afraid to love someone or receive love.

Since my divorce I had the delight of dating a man I adored for about 18 months. He was exactly the sort of man I prefer and we had a lovely time together. Things ran their course eventually due to the situation with his ex wife and teen children. He felt guilty that he wasn't in a place to grow an LTR with me because of the crap swirling around his ex and his children. So we parted friends and still occasionally touch base. He was a healthy foray into the dating realm for me post divorce as he is a man's man in every way. I was a positive and uplifting person who offered him support, perspective and comfort during a very hard place in his life. When I think about him it is with a respect and fondness and I know I was a good influence in his life during a difficult time.

Some months ago I met someone who I have a great deal in common with and things are progressing along. We have not discussed exclusivity yet, and so I am open to others and I expect he is as well. We shall see.

So what I find best for myself is different than what I advise my daughters for example. We are at at very different places in life. I will say that I am quite transparent with them about why I advise them one way and then do differently myself. And I am also extremely discreet about dating. I won't introduce them to a man unless/until its serious. We are in completely different life stages, obviously. Fortunately what I teach them and advise them is consistent with what the faith community and their friends' parents are also teaching. So it is getting reinforced outside of just me. And already my elder daughter can observe the results of poor life choices in some of my renters and in the local community outside her inner circle.

Just keep in mind that often when I post here I post from a more generalized young woman's perspective. I have been the hot/cool woman with good values that everybody wanted in my prime. I've also seen a lot of things from being in the nightlife industry. So I share from that perspective to give insights here that might be useful. Take it or leave it. I certainly don't know everything, I have my bias to be sure, and I'm not a dude.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Everything can seem fine on the surface with these "great" marriages. Remember you're just an outsider looking in. I've known plenty of men with values and seemingly great marriages cheat on their wives or vice versa. People need to be more honest with each other up front about what they want and what they are possibly open to

 

[BeExcellent]

And here we go with personal insults. BE, understand this: I may be dying. You just might outlive me. So do me a favor and piss off regarding my personal affairs.

But didn't you come here picking an argument? The entirety of your posts to me in this thread consist predominantly of personal insults, insinuations and backhanded slights. Lets see. I'm a redneck (not), everyone in TX loses their virginity before 17 (not), you prayed more than me and were raised more pious than me (glad you have a working crystal ball - that's impressive), and you think my girls are ugly (they are gorgeous blue eyed blondes and the older one has been offered a modeling stint at Neiman Marcus...) So you believe and tell yourself whatever makes you FEEL better son. That's OK. It doesn't affect me at all one way or another. Don't dish it if you cannot take the rebuttal. I'm happy and satisfied with my life and my choices so far. Delighted actually. Are you?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

This is what woman biologically and logically cannot understand


How IRONIC

Also the fact that our brains are programmed socially to live in a clan of about 30 people.

There are over 7 billion people in the world.

How could any one woman be special in such a large world?

It's the same reason that they have so many options. I have the OPTION to fvck a hot hooker any time I want to.

 

[Macaframalama]

Some ppl would do well just to listen and learn, but for the same reason you can't find a good woman, it would require you to actually get your chit together and well, p!ssing and moaning is so much easier. I don't even know why some of the more life experienced posters even bother. I guess some ppl actually do find self-fullfilment in working with the mentally challenged. On one side you have a guy that admittedly cannot get laid, unless he pays for it and on the other you have a guy that is barely of legal age to buy tobacco. Really, how much life/relationship experience can you possibly have, to argue with such certainty, not to mention mock and ridicule?.?. Closed mouths don't get fed and a hard head makes for a soft ass ladies.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

I know you are familiar with my story. I do not plan to to re-marry due to the financial risk involved as I have stated numerous times. If I were to consider it I would require as ironclad a pre-nump as I could find...because my assets have to take care of myself and my ex for the rest of our lives, and fund higher education for my children. Those things I have consistently stated here.

Because I am no longer in the child bearing phase of life and as a result of the outcome of my own marriage I cannot say that marriage represents the best choice for me personally now. Additionally I do not need a man's financial resources as I have my own. However I do enjoy men and the company of a man, I enjoy sex, appreciate a good man's leadership & companionship and prefer not to do without those things. I'm still at my core a traditional gal. Rewarding relationships make life richer and at the end of the day one's relationships are what's most important in life. For me personally I envision a LTR where I am sexually active and monogamous. There are several reasons for this stance. First is that I am serious about safeguarding my health. STDs are alive and well and can still be very serious with lifelong repercussions. Second is I prefer to build emotional depth and intimacy and this takes time and emotional investment. I see physical exclusivity as having value from that perspective to be sure. Thirdly I prefer intimacy rather than novelty/variety.

As an experienced woman my self worth is no longer tied to how a man feels about me. I know who I am and have deep seated confidence. So I am not affected by emotional whims of someone else the way young people almost always are. I'm not going to be devastated or damaged if something doesn't work out. I know if I choose physical intimacy what I am getting myself into emotionally. I know I might get hurt, and I know how to navigate that. I'm not afraid to be vulnerable and exposed and I'm not afraid to love someone or receive love.

Since my divorce I had the delight of dating a man I adored for about 18 months. He was exactly the sort of man I prefer and we had a lovely time together. Things ran their course eventually due to the situation with his ex wife and teen children. He felt guilty that he wasn't in a place to grow an LTR with me because of the crap swirling around his ex and his children. So we parted friends and still occasionally touch base. He was a healthy foray into the dating realm for me post divorce as he is a man's man in every way. I was a positive and uplifting person who offered him support, perspective and comfort during a very hard place in his life. When I think about him it is with a respect and fondness and I know I was a good influence in his life during a difficult time.

Some months ago I met someone who I have a great deal in common with and things are progressing along. We have not discussed exclusivity yet, and so I am open to others and I expect he is as well. We shall see.

So what I find best for myself is different than what I advise my daughters for example. We are at at very different places in life. I will say that I am quite transparent with them about why I advise them one way and then do differently myself. And I am also extremely discreet about dating. I won't introduce them to a man unless/until its serious. We are in completely different life stages, obviously. Fortunately what I teach them and advise them is consistent with what the faith community and their friends' parents are also teaching. So it is getting reinforced outside of just me. And already my elder daughter can observe the results of poor life choices in some of my renters and in the local community outside her inner circle.

Just keep in mind that often when I post here I post from a more generalized young woman's perspective. I have been the hot/cool woman with good values that everybody wanted in my prime. I've also seen a lot of things from being in the nightlife industry. So I share from that perspective to give insights here that might be useful. Take it or leave it. I certainly don't know everything, I have my bias to be sure, and I'm not a dude.

Glad to hear that you don't introduce a man to your kids until its serious. I've followed the same rule myself. Even when your children are older, they shouldn't be exposed to that.

I hope the younger guys reading this thread are clocked in to how women approach relationships and marriage. A few points:

Women always have an agenda.

Women are, in general, not as "starry eyed" and romantic as men are. That's why they are able to sometimes walk away, stone cold if they feel its in their best interests. And even if you're truly committed to her, it doesn't matter. She will "commit" to you until something that she thinks is better comes along.

Women want the financial security and the social acceptance that marriage represents. That is all, nothing more. If you think she's marrying you because you're her "soul mate", get ready to be frivorced somewhere down the line if she's "unhappy", thinks she has found something better, if you should fall ill, or if you encounter career trouble.

Even BE, who is a marriage proponent, balks at getting married again because of the potential financial risk to herself. This is a wise decision on her part. Every man should think the same way.

-Augustus-

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Some ppl would do well just to listen and learn, but for the same reason you can't find a good woman, it would require you to actually get your chit together and well, p!ssing and moaning is so much easier. I don't even know why some of the more life experienced posters even bother. I guess some ppl actually do find self-fullfilment in working with the mentally challenged. On one side you have a guy that admittedly cannot get laid, unless he pays for it and on the other you have a guy that is barely of legal age to buy tobacco. Really, how much life/relationship experience can you possibly have, to argue with such certainty, not to mention mock and ridicule?.?. Closed mouths don't get fed and a hard head makes for a soft ass ladies.

1. I had a gf from Feb - June for free that I broke up with. I've actually turned down the last few times I could have done it for free.

2. How much life experience could I have? Lots more than you or probably anyone on this forum. I've been through enough sh1t to know that I should not take a female seriously when she tries to pretend that she's my equal, and enough to know that 99% of people don't know sh1t about anything real or serious.

 

[Macaframalama]

1. I had a gf from Feb - June for free that I broke up with. I've actually turned down the last few times I could have done it for free.

2. How much life experience could I have? Lots more than you or probably anyone on this forum. I've been through enough sh1t to know that I should not take a female seriously when she tries to pretend that she's my equal, and enough to know that 99% of people don't know sh1t about anything real or serious.

Yea, the relationship reference was meant for you. The life reference was meant for checkerboard.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The idea of "My pvssy is only available AFTER marriage" is not a truth or even a recommendation. It is a STRATEGY for women to sort the potential husbands from the players.

It ONLY works if the woman using it really IS a virgin of some kind (real virgin or born again virgin).

No doubt women still use that strategy today.

That is ALL it is.

If you are a man who is after marriage with a virgin or a born again virgin, that you might find girls who use that strategy and effective signal.

However, to try and extrapolate from a personal "strategy" to the idea of "marriage" in general is ridiculous.

For some, "marriage" is the path to citizenship.

For others, it's something to try once or twice.

"marriage" is a word that no ONE PERSON can define for anybody except themselves or others (or institutions) that they know well.

For example, "my grandmother says marriage is..."

Or "my church teaches that marriage is...."

You might say that asking a girl, "What does marriage mean to you?" is an effective sorting question, regardless of your intention.

If she says "marriage is the only path to my pvssy," and you're only after a lay.....NEXT

if she says, "marriage is for idiots, I bang everything that moves!" and you're after a "good girl"....NEXT