POF women are flakes

[9Volt]

I've set up OLD profiles and left every time, sometimes within a day or 2, but usually gravitate back there 6 months later to see if the market has improved. I often see the same girls on there months and years later. And these are single moms with 2 kids, 30 lbs overweight, tattoos, a bad attitude, and a 4/10 in the looks department.

As @Tenacity said, why haven't those girls found a man and moved on? The girls I described above should have locked down THE FIRST MAN to message them and immediately deleted their profile. They were lucky a man would spit at them. Instead, while the hot girl gets 400 messages a week, she gets 20 messages a week - but that is still more than 97% of the men on there so imagine the rush a worthless POS woman like that gets from still getting a couple of messages a day - that despite ALL her bad choices in life that has rendered her garbage, some guys will still validate her.

I've had women say "I don't feel comfortable giving out my number so soon" after 3 messages. The actors here would have you believe I didn't DHV, maximize my photos, or have a great "opener". No, the merchandise is just broken. That's why it remains on the shelf (or dating website) forever

It's like telling a dude to become a Top 1% dude in order to somehow "win" by rooting through the trash. If anyone was a top 1% of men looking for true quality they wouldn't be driving their Bugatti in a three piece suit to pick up the trash because they might find something that just "looks good" but is still trash.

Now the photos yes. Your photos have to be the absolute best. It's also how you stack up against the Athletic, white dudes in your area in order to get replies or gauge how you're going to do. In the end all your competing with them for is the "best" of the same chicks who not only need to use OLD but live in those virtual dive bars.

I ain't hating on chicks either. I know for a 100% fact, not only knowing some hot trainwrecks irl that use or have used OLD but speaking to many and hearing sh1t you cannot make up if you tried that it's for bottom of the barrel. ESPECIALLY if the chick looks good or great. Always serious issues. Some mental, some downright evil, some drug addicts, some broke, some with good jobs and still looking for "extra to be spent on them, some been molested by family, some even raped, some alcoholics as in drinking every time you spoke with them. A few with criminal court cases, some "separated", some divorced a few times, some serial daters, some hate men, some closet bisexuals, sh1t I could go on and on. The amount of phuckery I heard from the majority of these chicks I didn't even bother with meeting them. Might as well just date phuck ups IRL and play Russian roulette with your life and progress just to try and get that golden puss while deluding ourselves we "don't put it on a pedestal". F that.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Another 8.5 date

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

Yes, the men here have spoken and they are correct. OLD, SUCKS!!! I remember the years 2009-2012 it seemed pretty easy to jump up on pof and pull chicks the same day get a date and fuuck. But now its gotten much worse and its way too much work and its just not worth it. But, I've been told over and over by men and women that I'm good looking, and in OLD looks are everything but even being good looking is not enough.. These females want the best of the best and will flip on you for the smallest of infractions...

However, I will admit I was a gym rat junkie back 2009-2012 too, I practically lived in the gym. There were people telling me I was obsessed esp after I hurt my back, my doctors told me the xrays indicated it was from over lifting and I had to have back surgery!! After that my success in old started sliding downward as I was unable to maintain my physique as well.

But, I have a question and guys please be honest. I only get three to four messages a week. These range from the 6-8 range mostly 6-7's. Now, these are females messaging me first. The most I've ever had was about five in one day. However, I get about a 5/10 return message rate when I message them first.

I want to ask guys like 9 volt, Tenacity and others how many messages a week you get from females messaging you first?

 

[ubercat]

It's interesting. I ve always advocated OLD for game practice. And of all of them I did find POF was the trashiest. I wonder if it's even good for practice now. Is it just going to produce bitter guys. If men really could laugh it off as it deserves we wouldn't get all these threads.

 

[dude99]

Here's the thing. If they aren't interested in the dudes emailing them ignoring them is going to do nothing but have them (if they haven't already) gone to the next or multiple other attention seeking apps. If a chick or chicks don't find you attractive ignoring them isn't doing anything as they don't care let alone even know as you aren't on their radar to begin with.

The ONLY thing all dudes ignoring them will do is have them go elsewhere online for attention. And they'll be looking for the same tops in looks while mass deleting the dudes they don't find attractive.

If a chick gets 100 emails a week. She isn't reading every email. She's going to look at the little thumbnail pics. Pick out the best looking few. And reply to them. And do that over and over while deleting all the other "undesireables" based off how unattractive they are in their photos no matter how much value those dudes may actually possess but just don't make the looks cut.


She could delete all the black, Asian, Latin dudes based off not wanting to even talk because she likes white dudes. Then delete all the less attractive white dudes, shorter ones and simply keep the best looking white dudes. What are the other dudes going to do? Turn white?

Same for a black chick. She may only like black dudes and delete everyone else but the top looking black dudes who are taller than her highest pair of heels (so she doesn't feel "big" compared to them if they meet up. No matter how much value the other dudes may possess. What are the other dudes going to do turn black and a top 1% to get some chick who lives on OLD to find her "prince"?

I get what you are saying a chick is going to go to the app or apps that give her the most attention. That will never change until men change. When men become scarce on these apps then it will force women to change.

I still believe in the cold approach of face to face. Apps you can ignore. Facebook messges you can ignore. A guy standing in front of you cold approaching you can't ignore. This way you can read body language, you can judge reaction and measure interest level.

Women will change as soon as men make them change.

 

[9Volt]

Yes, the men here have spoken and they are correct. OLD, SUCKS!!! I remember the years 2009-2012 it seemed pretty easy to jump up on pof and pull chicks the same day get a date and fuuck. But now its gotten much worse and its way too much work and its just not worth it. But, I've been told over and over by men and women that I'm good looking, and in OLD looks are everything but even being good looking is not enough.. These females want the best of the best and will flip on you for the smallest of infractions...

However, I will admit I was a gym rat junkie back 2009-2012 too, I practically lived in the gym. There were people telling me I was obsessed esp after I hurt my back, my doctors told me the xrays indicated it was from over lifting and I had to have back surgery!! After that my success in old started sliding downward as I was unable to maintain my physique as well.

But, I have a question and guys please be honest. I only get three to four messages a week. These range from the 6-8 range mostly 6-7's. Now, these are females messaging me first. The most I've ever had was about five in one day. However, I get about a 5/10 return message rate when I message them first.

I want to ask guys like 9 volt, Tenacity and others how many messages a week you get from females messaging you first?

none. because I haven't used old in two years and don't plan on using it again. been there. done that

 

[9Volt]

I get what you are saying a chick is going to go to the app or apps that give her the most attention. That will never change until men change. When men become scarce on these apps then it will force women to change.

I still believe in the cold approach of face to face. Apps you can ignore. Facebook messges you can ignore. A guy standing in front of you cold approaching you can't ignore. This way you can read body language, you can judge reaction and measure interest level.

Women will change as soon as men make them change.

again men leaving is going to do nothing but have chicks go elsewhere for attention. and just because some dudes can't have what they want doesn't mean all men don't get anything and will go on a mass woman strike.


yeah women can't ignore you when youre "cold approaching" like a desperate thirsty weirdo but they can hit you with mace, scream for help, and have the bouncers, cops, or other men arrive to get you the hell away from them.

 

[dude99]

again men leaving is going to do nothing but have chicks go elsewhere for attention. and just because some dudes can't have what they want doesn't mean all men don't get anything and will go on a mass woman strike.


yeah women can't ignore you when youre "cold approaching" like a desperate thirsty weirdo but they can hit you with mace, scream for help, and have the bouncers, cops, or other men arrive to get you the hell away from them.

I see our definition of cold approach differs.

I have never had that happen during a cold approach.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

My post was deleted. Thanks!


As to OLD, I can double- and triple-book dates all weekend if I desire. OLD as medium is not the problem, rather you are:

Body not in the top shape: Your fault;
Face not in top shape: Your fault;
Style not in top shape: Your fault;
Game not in top shape: Your vault;
Inner value not in top shape: Your fault;
Social acumen not in top shape: Your fault;
Fluidity to the situation not in top shape: Your fault.

Men, stop pointing outward and take a honest look in the mirror.

If you are not getting what you want on- or off-line, the hardest thing for a man to do is to take an honest look at himself and say, "I'm just not good enough for what I desire."

Stop this pity party. Go out there and be better.

But before you do, remember this rudimentary, but central standard: Before you get better, KNOW your value, and KNOW you are better. KNOWing before BEing is an opaque concept only truly understood and exercised by the esoteric mind. The irony is in your KNOWing and BEing, you already are better (This last sentence will not likely be understood by many if not by all here).

 

[Tenacity]

My post was deleted. Thanks!


As to OLD, I can double- and triple-book dates all weekend if I desire. OLD as medium is not the problem, rather you are:

Body not in the top shape: Your fault;
Face not in top shape: Your fault;
Style not in top shape: Your fault;
Game not in top shape: Your vault;
Inner value not in top shape: Your fault;
Social acumen not in top shape: Your fault;
Fluidity to the situation not in top shape: Your fault.

Men, stop pointing outward and take a honest look in the mirror.

If you are not getting what you want on- or off-line, the hardest thing for a man to do is to take an honest look at himself and say, "I'm just not good enough for what I desire."

Stop this pity party. Go out there and be better.

But before you do, remember this rudimentary, but central standard: Before you get better, KNOW your value, and KNOW you are better. KNOWing before BEing is an opaque concept only truly understood and exercised by the esoteric mind. The irony is in your KNOWing and BEing, you already are better (This last sentence will not likely be understood by many if not by all here).

Legend let me ask you a question.........and this is in all seriousness.

Is there ever a situation in Legend's life when something is NOT going the way you would prefer, and it's NOT your fault? If so, can you give me an example of when this happens and what that situation is?

Or is Legend completely and in total the MASTER of his universe, thus, you get the credit and the blame for every....single.....thing....that occurs in your life?

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Legend let me ask you a question.........and this is in all seriousness.

Is there ever a situation in Legend's life when something is NOT going the way you would prefer, and it's NOT your fault? If so, can you give me an example of when this happens and what that situation is?

Or is Legend completely and in total the MASTER of his universe, thus, you get the credit and the blame for every....single.....thing....that occurs in your life?

My answer to this question will have its roots in spirituality, and will not likely be understood by you at this time in your life (not intended to be an insult), and as well detract from the subject/content of this thread. If you are truly interested in the answer to your question and are willing to keep an open mind to a certain, esoteric type of thinking, feel free to PM me.

 

[9Volt]

OLD as medium is not the problem

If you want to spend your life getting everything about you in order to pick up the lowest types of chicks and base their "quality" off looks.

Body not in the top shape: Your fault;
Face not in top shape: Your fault;
Style not in top shape: Your fault;
Game not in top shape: Your vault;
Inner value not in top shape: Your fault;
Social acumen not in top shape: Your fault;
Fluidity to the situation not in top shape: Your fault.

Body needs to be in top shape agreed.

Face trimmed, shaved, acne agreed. plastic surgery?

style in top shape agreed.

social acumen agreed.

"game" complete nonsense. A pandering act. nothing more than a delusional pick and choose religious belief.

 

[Tenacity]

My answer to this question will have its roots in spirituality, and will not likely be understood by you at this time in your life (not intended to be an insult), and as well detract from the subject/content of this thread. If you are truly interested in the answer to your question and are willing to keep an open mind to a certain, esoteric type of thinking, feel free to PM me.

Legend we can do the discussion through PM but I would think doing it here in the public thread would help other guys viewing?

I used to work in ministry for 6 years and I'm still a Christian. I very much understand spirituality aspects, especially aspects where the belief system says that "everything works together for the good, to those that love the Lord and are called according to his purpose."

But despite that, I do not believe I have CONTROL over everything in my life. Yes, there are certain things I can control and I try the best I can to manage them, but there are things I legitimately have NO control over that, in fact, affect my success, my progression, and my standard of living.

Bringing this back to the women discussion, there are things I can DO (or control) to make myself universally more attractive:

- I can workout
- I can wear better clothes/cologne
- I can put on some contacts, fix my hair, work on having clearer skin
- I can work on my social skills
- I can work on my bedroom skills
- I can work on my financial situation

These are things I can do to make myself more universally attractive. What I HAVE NO CONTROL over, however, are:

- Women in general being feminist and gynocentic

- Women not being serious and playing a manipulation game

- Women not being serious and seeking to use me for money or free dates/free drinks

- Women getting 1,000 emails in her inbox and choosing to not be serious about being with anybody

- Women being bisexual/lesbian and deciding that they will never commit to a man as a result

- A woman deciding she doesn't want to date me due to my race, my height, or my dyck size, neither of which I have ANY control over.

 

[9Volt]

Here's the thing dudes.

It's not always your fault.

It's not your fault a chick may be a *** dumpster.

Its not your fault a chick may have mental or emotional health issues.

It's not your fault a chick may be a drug addict or alcoholic.

it's not your fault the chick may be a spoiled princess type.

it's not your fault the chick has a bad upbringing/ parents or lack of.

it's not your fault a chick may be looking for a come up/ gold digger.

it's not your fault you were born the wrong "race" to what types she prefers.

it's not your fault you cannot be every and any man to every and any woman.

"Game" tells you it's "always your fault" and "never the chicks".

Sometimes it really ISN'T your fault and IT IS their fault.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

These are things I can do to make myself more universally attractive. What I HAVE NO CONTROL over, however, are:

- Women in general being feminist and gynocentic

- Women not being serious and playing a manipulation game

- Women not being serious and seeking to use me for money or free dates/free drinks

- Women getting 1,000 emails in her inbox and choosing to not be serious about being with anybody

- Women being bisexual/lesbian and deciding that they will never commit to a man as a result

- A woman deciding she doesn't want to date me due to my race, my height, or my dyck size, neither of which I have ANY control over.

Why do you feel the need to control women? Why can't you ALLOW women to be who they are?

 

[Tenacity]

Why do you feel the need to control women? Why can't you ALLOW women to be who they are?

I'm not trying to control anybody. Women have lost their god damn minds as I've said and we can either fight back.....Or accept the dumb shyt.

My issue is that you keep blaming every outcome with these insane people on MEN, when the vast majority of this stuff is completely out of our control. The bytches are crazy.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

I'm not trying to control anybody. Women have lost their god damn minds as I've said and we can either fight back.....Or accept the dumb shyt.

My issue is that you keep blaming every outcome with these insane people on MEN, when the vast majority of this stuff is completely out of our control. The bytches are crazy.

Ok, let's run with your contention that all women are crazy. Again, why can't you accept them as they are?

Another thought to ponder on: let's say there were exceptions to the crazy women and we identified a few sane ones. What makes you think you could keep a sane women with your monthly episodes and internal emotional turmoil?

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Sometimes it really ISN'T your fault and IT IS their fault.

Why is it her fault? You are not going to be every woman's type or match. No man is. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be at peace.

I don't fault the man's physicality in such a case (assuming he did his best), I fault his thinking (assuming he thinks she SHOULD be something that she is not).

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

Like I said I average 3-4 measages a week on pof, that is women messaging me first.They are ok looking in the range of 6-7 throw in an occasional 8 every blue moon. I thought that was low until I read that some men arent getting any messages at all.

Here are some very sobering replies from:

http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/on...ails-do-the-most-attractive-women-get-online/

This shiit is beyond ridiculous note that even middle aged women in some case's are getting hundreds of messages a week. Even the fat land whales are picky in Old. I shudder to think how many hot, beautuful, young, early twenties women are getting:

Female:

"I’m a middle aged woman who’s been on Match.com for 8 months. I do regularly “Hide” my profile out of frustration, and back away from the internet dating scene altogether, but I’ve been on there a while. I still get hundreds of messages a month. We DO get inundated. The VAST majority are, however, men who do not even come close to matching up with us. For instance, I get a lot of messages from men who are either wildly younger or wildly older than my stated preference. Weeding through those to find the appropriate men takes time and some get overlooked unintentionally. Attractive middle aged men seem to be aiming for inaccessible women in their 20’s and 30’s so they are harder to get a date with."

Male:

"If you feel that way now try being a guy. I’ve been on match.com.for 6 months and have never gotten a message, despite sending out approx 200."

Male: (observation on his females friends):
"Wanted to add my 2c. I know an attractive girl in Boston who got between 100-200 per week when she was doing match. I also know a younger chick, age 24, who got 500 in 48 hours when she posted in the Berkeley area. She went on exactly two dates from those 500 and then took down her profile because it was too much to keep up with.

Yeah, it’s competitive. It’s kinda almost exactly like going to a BAR, where the hottest chicks get the most guys hitting on them. With both avenues, you can give yourself advantages with good game.

As a guy who’s done the match thing for years, I’ve received less than a dozen, unsolicited emails total, where every single one of the emailers were not even close to being hot. I guess I’m not tall enough!"

Female: "Very interesting to read all the replies. The first week I went on match.com I got over 400 emails. I was 32, lived in New York City, and looked pretty darn good back then."

Female:
I received 900 (nine hundred) emails in my first week!!!!. I have a degree, a good career, I’m in great shape, and good looking. Some men email because it’s a numbers game, some email because they are truly intrigued but I wouldn’t consider them a good match, and a few are pretty much who I’m looking for.
Most (not all) don’t analyze like we do, in primal language: they see > they like > they want > they go after (without much thought about REAL suitability). In their mind, they will figure out if you are suitable on the date, where there is the added bonus of possibly getting lucky. Don’t take the differences between men and woman personally, just go at the pace you are comfortable with.

Male: "Online dating is super disappointing. On Match.com, after a week, I have emailed 10 interesting smart girls (who are not bad looking but not voluntary sexy). I have googled them, I have really made efforts to find a good angle in my email, I have only contacted ones when there is a lot in common. My profile shows that I’m looking for a long term relation. Zero answer! One profile view out of 10! Only 5 have read my email! I guess that they should receive yy emails a day – yy being pretty big… Bottom-line: 1) I’m drowning myself in the mass of stupid competitive emails. 2) Online dating is not efficient at all. Girls, if you read this, please read all emails and answer even to say “no, sorry”. And PLEASE Don’t forget the sorry, it’s only five letters and it changes everything."

Male: "Race definitely plays a role. It has in my life. If I am actively using a dating site (as I am now), not a day goes by where I don’t see multiple female profiles that directly states that they have no interest in black men. I’ve received several replies from women thanking me for sending a nice, polite email – then stating that they don’t like black men. Wrote to a woman that had almost the exact same profile and interests as mine. It was like she copy and pasted my profile. She wrote back saying that we could be great friends, buts she doesn’t date black men. And I have received replies back from women expressing their disinterest in black men in a FAR less polite manner"

Female: "I am 46yrs woman and I m not a glam but i just put my profile up on a site this afternoon, I got 400 messages in my inbox in last 5hours. i can’t answer to every one even I wanted so."

On and on ad nauseum! Anybodys ego would be massive with this much attention. At this rate in about ten years women will be completely unapproachable...

 

[9Volt]

Why is it her fault? You are not going to be every woman's type or match. No man is. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be at peace.

I don't fault the man's physicality in such a case (assuming he did his best), I fault his thinking (assuming he thinks she SHOULD be something that she is not).

Ive been known no one can be every womans type though you try to act like you are.

you seem to be assuming these same chicks can never be at fault.

I know for a fact the vast majority of women using old are bottom of the barrel while you try to assume they aren't or make excuses for them while accepting to chase bottom of the barrel that you like to claim are quality.