Millard Fillmore
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Women dont have to accept anything.
Which is it?Women must accept who men are.
Women dont have to accept anything.
Which is it?Women must accept who men are.
Since you edited out the rest of the post, I’ll summarize the context again. Women have 3 choices:Which is it?
I would have to disagree with this premise somewhat. The itch is not for "strange" but for "better". If one's GF or wife is (in his objective view) a 9, he probably won't be too tempted to cheat on her with some he considers a 7. However, if the situation was reversed, the temaption to cheat would be far greater. The same applies to women. A woman married to a movie star is unlikely to cheat on him with your average-looking mailman or cable guy, but a woman married to a mailman or cable guy would almost certainly cheat on him with a movie star if the opportunity presented itself.That's a fair take. If a man finds a "good" woman and he wants a long term partnership he should keep that in mind.
Nevertheless, no matter how great she is, very few men will ever lose that itch for strange. I suspect it's true for most women too. Whether it's acted on is dependent on a number of factors. Mankind has tried to moralize it out of us every which way but the beat goes on.
I read earlier in the thread from one member it's not necessarily "better" but rather "different." Which I agree with.The itch is not for "strange" but for better.
Maybe so. I always thought that a guy would go downscale looks wise a bit just to try something different. (Maybe if he's not getting many opportunities.)I would have to disagree with this premise somewhat. The itch is not for "strange" but for "better". If one's GF or wife is (in his objective view) a 9, he probably won't be too tempted to cheat on her with some he considers a 7. However, if the situation was reversed, the temaption to cheat would be far greater. The same applies to women. A woman married to a movie star is unlikely to cheat on him with your average-looking mailman or cable guy, but a woman married to a mailman or cable guy would almost certainly cheat on him with a movie star if the opportunity presented itself.
I'm fairly certain that no one likes being cheated on or deceived...including people who are liars and cheaters themselves. In fact, when I hear a woman loudly proclaim that she hates "liars and cheats", I treat it a red flag as women are prone to projection.Again, I just don't like the lying and deception, the cheating.
Not sure I follow. If a woman (or man as this is not gender specific) claims they dislike cheating and deception, they're projecting because they themselves are cheaters? And it's a red flag?I'm fairly certain that no one likes being cheated on or deceived...including people who are liars and cheaters themselves. In fact, when I hear a woman loudly proclaim that she hates "liars and cheats", I treat it a red flag as women are prone to projection.
I read earlier in the thread from one member it's not necessarily "better" but rather "different." Which I agree with.
Again, I just don't like the lying and deception, the cheating.
In today's culture it's not necessary. As @Slowhandluke said, it's perfectly acceptable to have children and a family without marriage.
Couples can cohabitate and have an agreement to non-monogamy which works for them and is honest.
I do know couples with such an arrangement and their kids are loved, cared for and happy. And they grow up witnessing their parents in love and happy as well. No deception.
It's unclear to me why this isn't an option for men rather than cheating? Especially the newly married guys.
I think I posted this earlier but by agreeing to what she wants (a monogamous relationship or marriage), but YOU don't, you have fallen into HER frame. And then cheating on her.
Try as I might, I truly don't understand this, especially since you acknowledge she's aware you cheat and should accept it.
I like what @AmsterdamAssassin does. He's remains true to himself and his own values and if a woman wants to be with him, she falls into HIS frame.
Isn't that what you guys preach on here, maintaining your own frame?
I dunno, this forum is confusing sometimes.
Correct.Not sure I follow. If a woman (or man as this is not gender specific) claims they dislike cheating and deception, they're projecting because they themselves are cheaters? And it's a red flag?
I would suggest that it's not necessary to reveal a dislike for something that is universally disliked by every human being. Do you feel the urge to reveal to others that you would hate to be punched in the face or thrown under a train? If you came up to me and said "gee, I'd really hate to have my wallet stolen", hell yeah, I would immediately suspect that you are a thief yourself.How would you suggest a person reveal they dislike deception and prefer honesty when they witness cheating or hear people discuss their acceptance of it?
Not sure about that. @EyeBRollin has been discussing cheating before he got married and took the vow to forsake all others.men in general do not go into marriage expecting to cheat.
In other words STFU is basically what your saying. Lol.Correct.
I would suggest that it's not necessary to reveal a dislike for something that is universally disliked by every human being. Do you feel the urge to reveal to others that you would hate to be punched in the face? Or thrown under a train? If you came up to me and said "gee, I'd really hate to have my wallet stolen", hell yeah, I would immediately suspect that you are a thief yourself.
yeah, if this is so.. if you aren't going to even try, then I agree. don't marry. just cohabitat.Not sure about that. @EyeBRollin has been discussing cheating before he got married and took the vow to forsake all others.
Discussing how it a man's biological imperative to desire many women (which I agree with) and that it's okay to act on that desire (which I don't agree with) but never tell your wife and "take it to your grave."
Many others agreed with him, I recall those posts quite vividly before he got married..
It's a general mindset that after reading this thread many men share.
This. Unfortunately, most of our western peers don’t see it that way. Instead, a couple who’s been married for decades should blow the whole family up because a woman threw pvssy in the husband’s face. Sad part is, if the wife leaves she is the one that is worse off. The advice given by women to women is literally sabotage.men in general do not go into marriage expecting to cheat. men try their best not to but they are only human. It is like a suicide mission, people still hold out that miniscule hope things will work out.
it would be shame if everyone "gave up" trying to be committed because failing would mean massive negative repercussions.
Trying should be commended... but having tried and FAILED at a noble pursuit (commitment) should not cause financial ruin and having your kids poisoned against you by a vindictive ex.
Yes, catsmeow the men agreed with my points because my points are realistic. Not your disingenuous attempts to re-frame them.Many others agreed with him, I recall those posts quite vividly before he got married..
It's a general mindset that after reading this thread many men share.
No, quite the opposite. Keep talkingIn other words STFU is basically what your saying. Lol.
No problem!
Ciao mate.
Please . You are such a hypocrite. When you married your first husband, did you "stand before God" and take a vow to stay with him "till death do us part"? Well he's not dead, is he? But that didn't stop you from breaking your vow and filing for divorce. You and EyeBRollin are the flip sides of the same coin.If you stood up before God and your wedding guests and took a vow to forsake all others and you cheat? You are a liar and your word is no good and you have at best weak character.
Thank you. I'll let you take it from here although I doubt since you're a man, you will receive the same backlash for having essentially the same thoughts and opinions as I.yeah, if this is so.. if you aren't going to even try, then I agree. don't marry. just cohabitat.
Thanks! But I'm gonna take a pass on that, and wish y'all the best.No, quite the opposite. Keep talking
With me it's not a 'frame', I've always been an Einzelgänger and a non-conformist, but most men are too worried about the perceptions of others.I like what @AmsterdamAssassin does. He's remains true to himself and his own values and if a woman wants to be with him, she falls into HIS frame.
True. The interesting thing to me is that I tried monogamy but it didn't suit my lifestyle, so virtually all the women I've been involved with knew before they became intimate with me that they'd would be sharing me and I found that it spared me a lot of aggravation, because I spoke with men who told me about being denied sex and having to sleep on the couch and being worried about women leaving them. I never understood why anyone would want someone to stay with them when they clearly didn't want to stay anymore. What for? Pity? Duty? Meanwhile, I admire people who make a monogamous relationship work without manipulating each other and/or cheating.Whereas @AmsterdamAssassin is honest and transparent about how he operates. Women choose to become his lover under full disclosure. That builds trust and respect, although its not an arrangement every woman will agree to.
Not at all. My first husband became depressed and an alcoholic after his business fiasco. Five years before I left I explained that if he did not get treatment for the depression & alcoholism that I would divorce him over it. Five years later, no change. So I left.Please . You are such a hypocrite. When you married your first husband, did you "stand before God" and take a vow to stay with him "till death do us part"? Well he's not dead, is he? But that didn't stop you from breaking your vow and filing for divorce. You and EyeBRollin are the flip sides of the same coin.