Your thoughts on the latest abortion ruling

[Fruitbat]

Abortion is a key mens issue.

the child is a man’s offspring. Currently the decision rests with the woman. While this isn’t great, it can’t be any other way.

However, the way you make this fair, is by offering a man a financial abortion.
If the woman has the right to bring an unwanted (for the father) child into the world, the father still has to pay for 21 years. It’s called having your cake and eating it.

 

[user252009]

I don't give a **** - the US isn't the rest of the world

 

[Pandora]

There are medical conditions that make pregnancy a death sentence for some women. But those b!tches can just fvckin die...say the pro life people.

I agree but this is less than 1% of the total abortion cases.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Political theater.

Exactly. This is the biggest non-event ever. The Supreme Court didn’t outlaw abortion. It just said that there is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees abortion as a constitutional right (which is 100% legally correct, as the word ‘abortion’ does not appear anywhere in the Constitution), therefore it’s an issue for the states. People will still have the right to vote for pro-abortion politicians at state level. No one is taking that away.

Roe v. Wade invented a constitutional right that simply didn’t exist. It’s no different than a court deciding that one has the constitutional right to own a car or a smartphone…or to attend college and travel the world. It made no legal sense.

 

[Bokanovsky]

This isn’t about abortion rights it’s about states’ rights, just like gun control.

Agreed, except for this part. Unlike abortion, gun ownership is actually a constitutional right.

 

[Bokanovsky]

But then why have a federal government at all? The first attempt at this country was a confederacy, and it failed because the states couldn't get along and no one could make them do anything.

National security, monetary policy and regulation of foreign trade are really the only practical purposes for a federal government. Everything else is better handled at state level.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Most people misunderstand the ruling. It does NOT ban abortion in the US. It leaves it up to the states to decide.

There are going to probably be about 15 states that ban it, most in the Midwest Bible Belt. Another 2 or 3 might ban it after 6 weeks. About another 10 are 50/50 that will likely allow some up to 15 weeks. The others it won't make any difference. In fact, some of the other states may expand it further.

There is nothing to stop people from going to a state that allows it if they live in a state that doesn't. There is nothing to stop them from going to Mexico to one of the high end centers that caters to this, especially for those who live in Texas.

IMHO, people are making it a much bigger deal than it will turn out to be. For people who live in a state that bans it, they simply just made it harder and more expensive, but not impossible

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Agreed, except for this part. Unlike abortion, gun ownership is actually a constitutional right.

The part that is States' rights is the ability to restrict abortions or not.

 

[SW15]

I'm wondering how the change in availability of abortion will impact the sexual marketplace in various areas within the United States.

In more middle class+ interactions (mainly 20s/30s people with bachelor's degrees + and white collar jobs), I doubt there's much impact. Most of the women are on birth control. A good portion of men will use condoms. There might be some changes in lower class submarkets in states with less available abortions.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

simple: it won’t.

I'm wondering how the change in availability of abortion will impact the sexual marketplace in various areas within the United States.

In more middle class+ interactions (mainly 20s/30s people with bachelor's degrees + and white collar jobs), I doubt there's much impact. Most of the women are on birth control. A good portion of men will use condoms. There might be some changes in lower class submarkets in states with less available abortions.

 

[SW15]

simple: it won’t.

I think there has to be some change involved. Why do you say no change at all?

 

[Bible_Belt]

The economic cost of banning abortion is in the billions. We're all going to pay, because religious nutballs control the Supreme Court. Abortion bans keep women from working and paying taxes, and they end up taking more in social services instead of contributing to the economy.

But everyone here wants more of their tax dollars to go to welfare, right? That's what our Taliban of a Supreme Court is accomplishing.

 

[Kotaix]

Roe v wade was based on a stack of lies, enough said there. But I am pro choice at the end of the day because if you outlaw anything out will just move to the black market.

 

[Bokanovsky]

The economic cost of banning abortion is in the billions. We're all going to pay, because religious nutballs control the Supreme Court. Abortion bans keep women from working and paying taxes, and they end up taking more in social services instead of contributing to the economy.

But everyone here wants more of their tax dollars to go to welfare, right?

This is hilarious. For a country with a $20 trillion GDP, “billions of dollars” is literally nothing. It’s like $100 to someone who makes $100,000 a year. What a joke.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I think there has to be some change involved. Why do you say no change at all?

Because birth control of all types. People who get knocked up are simply imbeciles. They will not go away. They're part of it all.

 

[SW15]

Because birth control of all types. People who get knocked up are simply imbeciles. They will not go away. They're part of it all.

I have been participating in the mating environment for 20+ years. I have not had a pregnancy scare. The majority of women I have had sex with were using birth control while they were having sex with me. I had sex with a few women who didn't use any birth control. I used condoms. It wasn't an issue at all.

I used condoms with both women who used birth control and women who didn't use it.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #5
NEVER allow a woman to be in control of the birth.

I was using condoms all the time before I ever heard of this iron rule.

 

[Bible_Belt]

This is hilarious. For a country with a $20 trillion GDP, “billions of dollars” is literally nothing. It’s like $100 to someone who makes $100,000 a year. What a joke.

Fine, trillions. The truth is that no one knows, because this is unprecedented stupidity. Letting the church run the state is the way of life in Iran, Afghanistan, and everywhere they have sharia law. They are our new role models.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Because birth control of all types. People who get knocked up are simply imbeciles. They will not go away. They're part of it all.

You do know that smoking makes the pill not work, right? It also happens from secondhand smoke for women who have to work around smokers in bars and restaurants.

 

[Fruitbat]

Exactly. This is the biggest non-event ever. The Supreme Court didn’t outlaw abortion. It just said that there is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees abortion as a constitutional right (which is 100% legally correct, as the word ‘abortion’ does not appear anywhere in the Constitution), therefore it’s an issue for the states. People will still have the right to vote for pro-abortion politicians at state level. No one is taking that away.

Roe v. Wade invented a constitutional right that simply didn’t exist. It’s no different than a court deciding that one has the constitutional right to own a car or a smartphone…or to attend college and travel the world. It made no legal sense.

Forgive my ignorance, but aren’t there tons of amendments? Can’t amendments be made?

When US politics talks about “unconstitutional” things, surely isn’t the idea to change things as and when time and utility merit it?

Here, we just pass a law. There’s no constitution, just common law which evolved over thousands of years.

if something is unconstitutional, can’t they just amend the constitution?

The worry would be under this system is that the constitution is hundreds of years old, it’s like basing your life on a book written thousands of years ago ;-)

 

[Bible_Belt]

if something is unconstitutional, can’t they just amend the constitution?

The extent to which all the states must agree, as well as congress, makes it nearly impossible to amend the constitution. The procedures were created back when there were just 13 states.