Your father will make your life

[Plinco]

Pls explain yourself on this one. Don't see how your comment is helpful. Is it an attempt to insult??? Are you capable to detail your point on this?

getting help from others results in faster improvements.

Is a true statement, assuming that the help is good, however....

yeah, but going it alone is not always fun.

It is always fun. The fact that you admitted to not having fun doing your own thing tells me that you don't enjoy your own agency. You want the work done for you, which also tells me that you are lazy and entitled.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The guy is not bad looking, but like you, I can tell why women would not contact him on a dating site. Though I don’t like speaking negatively about other men I don’t know, there is something weak, odd, and off putting about his face, smile, and body language. There are men who are less physically attractive but who attract women.

His looks are less masculine and more feminine. He looks to me like a 'twink', a boyish effeminate homosexual. For a straight woman looking for a straight man, he wouldn't look masculine/mature enough.
So, of course he could be straight (swiping on women), but my 'first impression' is an effeminate boy.

 

[GoodMan32]

A lot of being a married man is doing stuff in your leisure time that isn't what you as the man want to do.

Unmarried men have more freedom. Unmarried men not in relationships have the most freedom. Unmarried men in committed relationships have some freedom but can also resemble married men.

I think the younger two generations of adults (Gen Y/Millennials and Gen Z) haven't had great examples from their fathers in marriages. They've also seen a lot of divorces too.

Yeah. Even though a relationship means a steady supply of cooch (and in some cases, not even that), relationships come with the downside of getting roped into stuff your girlfriend/wife makes you do.

Perhaps that's why the best sex I've ever had was the affair with the married woman. I had the best of both worlds: Steady supply of cooch with no expectation that I'd act as a husband to her (because she already had a husband)

Speaking of our generation seeing lots of divorces, I saw multiple relatives move back in with parents after a divorce (one was pushing 40; the other was pushing 50)

I've also known men over 30 outside my family who had to move back in with parents post-divorce.

These examples of people moving back home post-divorce served as additional material for my case against getting married.

 

[GoodMan32]

That's because you're an autist.
Autists are similar to psychopaths in the sense that they lack the empathy to truly look at something from another perspective.
In your case, you are unable to look at the guy from the perspective of a straight woman.

Ok, fair enough. Apparently a straight woman doesn't want to be with a man who looks gay (even if he isn't)

I get mistaken for gay. Might explain my bad luck with the ladies.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Yeah. Even though a relationship means a steady supply of cooch (and in some cases, not even that), relationships come with the downside of getting roped into stuff your girlfriend/wife makes you do.

Perhaps that's why the best sex I've ever had was the affair with the married woman. I had the best of both worlds: Steady supply of cooch with no expectation that I'd act as a husband to her (because she already had a husband)

Speaking of our generation seeing lots of divorces, I saw multiple relatives move back in with parents after a divorce (one was pushing 40; the other was pushing 50)

I've also known men over 30 outside my family who had to move back in with parents post-divorce.

These examples of people moving back home post-divorce served as additional material for my case against getting married.

What do you want then? You don’t want a girlfriend (clown marriage), you don’t want a wife, yet you say you have major issues keeping you from being a Mac Daddy. You also want no accountability for attending boring events (part of adult life, especially raising kids).

Why not just go to hookers?

 

[GoodMan32]

What do you want then? You don’t want a girlfriend (clown marriage), you don’t want a wife, yet you say you have major issues keeping you from being a Mac Daddy. You also want no accountability for attending boring events (part of adult life, especially raising kids).

Why not just go to hookers?

I want a smash-piece who genuinely desires me (the genuine desire part is one thing you don't get from prostitutes). Also, a smash-piece doesn't charge you for sex.

You're right, attending boring events is part of raising kids. There's a reason I don't have kids (many reasons for that matter)

 

[SW15]

Even though a relationship means a steady supply of cooch (and in some cases, not even that), relationships come with the downside of getting roped into stuff your girlfriend/wife makes you do.

Most men choose extended relationships because it is the easiest way for most men to get regular sex.

Many good player/pickup artist types have extended periods without sex. Notice I said the word good. More mediocre to subpar player/pickup artists have even longer droughts. That tends to weed them out of the lifestyle and into some monogamous relationship.

After a certain amount of time, frequency of sex will drop. The man will get dissatisfied in the relationship. If he's married, he will realize that he's trapped because he'd likely lose some financial assets in divorce court. He is also likely to lose time with his children if he has any.

I saw multiple relatives move back in with parents after a divorce (one was pushing 40; the other was pushing 50)

I've also known men over 30 outside my family who had to move back in with parents post-divorce.

That can happen to men after a divorce.

Unmarried, childless men 30+ can also be forced back into a home of a parent(s) due to job loss.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I want a smash-piece who genuinely desires me (the genuine desire part is one thing you don't get from prostitutes). Also, a smash-piece doesn't charge you for sex.

You're right, attending boring events is part of raising kids. There's a reason I don't have kids (many reasons for that matter)

Do you want companionship and recreational activity with this smash piece too? Or do you just want a woman who actually just meets you for sex?

 

[BaronOfHair]

What do you want then? You don’t want a girlfriend (clown marriage), you don’t want a wife, yet you say you have major issues keeping you from being a Mac Daddy. You also want no accountability for attending boring events (part of adult life, especially raising kids)

This is what The Manosphere hath begot, whatever good intentions it began with: Several million men paralyzed by confused, contradictory thoughts on just about everything

 

[GoodMan32]

Most men choose extended relationships because it is the easiest way for most men to get regular sex.

Many good player/pickup artist types have extended periods without sex. Notice I said the word good. More mediocre to subpar player/pickup artists have even longer droughts. That tends to weed them out of the lifestyle and into some monogamous relationship.

After a certain amount of time, frequency of sex will drop. The man will get dissatisfied in the relationship. If he's married, he will realize that he's trapped because he'd likely lose some financial assets in divorce court. He is also likely to lose time with his children if he has any.



That can happen to men after a divorce.

Unmarried, childless men 30+ can also be forced back into a home of a parent(s) due to job loss.

I'm a subpar player and I have low tolerance for the nonsense that comes with a relationship. Perhaps that's why I'm on a 3 and a half year drought from free sex.

As for men moving back home after a job loss, there's a reason it tends to only happen to men. A woman could always find a guy willing to take her in as long as she pays the rent with her cooch.

 

[GoodMan32]

Do you want companionship and recreational activity with this smash piece too? Or do you just want a woman who actually just meets you for sex?

I'd be fine with companionship/recreation. I just don't want the commitment that comes with an all-out relationship (for example, a smash-piece is far more likely than a girlfriend/wife to take no for an answer if I don't want to attend a certain event)

It would be nice to travel/attend concerts/go to dining establishments with a smash-piece.

 

[plumber]

It is always fun. The fact that you admitted to not having fun doing your own thing tells me that you don't enjoy your own agency. You want the work done for you, which also tells me that you are lazy and entitled.

I see... very cool that you did the effort to refine this.

You fall or are trapped into the same very limited mind that we can see in other lost and limited persons. It is the expectation that others have the same ability and capability as you do or more likely that you wish you could do. This is a shame, because it causes many misunderstandings that even can lead to bad things.

You have decided to judge another based on your idea of true. This is probably the root cause of so many bad things in the world.

Do you do this by choice because your lazy, or is it really that you do not have the ability to do more? Or perhaps are afraid and use some mild aggression to hide.

I still don't connect lazy and entitled with preferring to interact with others instead of being alone. Thank you for doing your best to explain.

 

[Plinco]

You fall or are trapped into the same very limited mind that we can see in other lost and limited persons. It is the expectation that others have the same ability and capability as you do or more likely that you wish you could do. This is a shame, because it causes many misunderstandings that even can lead to bad things.

You have decided to judge another based on your idea of true. This is probably the root cause of so many bad things in the world.

Do you do this by choice because your lazy, or is it really that you do not have the ability to do more? Or perhaps are afraid and use some mild aggression to hide.

There is a reality that exists independent of what any of us wants to think. If you are talking about self-delusions, one way that I have found to cure those is to go out and act out my beliefs. The consequences delineated any false beliefs if I had them.

I still don't connect lazy and entitled with preferring to interact with others instead of being alone. Thank you for doing your best to explain.

Being alone is your preference. Just don't forget what your long-term goals are. To quote Confucius, "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."

 

[jhonny9546]

Family game is something you have or you don't.

What are your long term goals?

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and starting this discussion.

My main goals include:

- Family Stability: I want to live in a specific place with a women and a child.
- Career: I aim for a fulfilling career, both financially and professionally.
- Relationships: I want to maintain great relationships with family, childhood friends, colleagues, and acquaintances.


My worldview has changed after observing my cousins' separations.
I've started gathering knowledge, and also found sosuave.
Although many relationships seem perfect, I have come to understand that there are often hidden dynamics.
This realization does not diminish my desire to have a serious LTR with a woman of value;
I accept that everything can change.

I do not fully identify with the MGTOW movement, as I believe in building meaningful relationships.
I spent much of my teens and twenties alone, learning the importance of human connection while understanding the relevance of freedom and having/giving spaces.


My journey is characterized by a cycle of learning and growth:

1. Know the theory
2. Unlearn bad behaviors
3. Learn new good behaviors
4. Apply those behaviors
5. Fail and try again

As you can see I recognize that my growth has been negatively impacted by my upbringing, but I am determined to progress through continued experience and reflection.