WTF is going on with the world and this non-binary crap??

[rjc149]

Both, homosexuality and transgenderism are acquired behaviours. No one is born gay or transgender. Scientists have spent decades trying to find the"gay gene", without success. The same is true of transgenderism. There is no genetic basis for it (with the exception of a very small number of individuals who are actually born with both, male and female physical traits but we are not talking about them here).

IMO, if an adult want to change his or her sex, I am fine with that. It's a form of self-mutilation that should be discouraged but ultimately I believe in individual autonomy. However, the same does not apply to children. Anyone who brainwashes/encourages a child to change their sex deserves capital punishment.

Like nearly all human conditions, homosexuality results from a combination of nature and nurture. In other words, genetics loads the gun, environment/upbringing pulls the trigger.

Homosexuality is scientifically correlated with low natural testosterone levels, so it's partially genetic.

Environmental factors also play into it. Many gay men I've known were raised in matriarchal households.

Where we draw the line between homosexuality and transgenderism is clear to me. Both are age-old human conditions. Men living as women, and women living as men, is a tale as old as time. Transgenderism is just as much of an aspect of human society as homosexuality.

Biology does not determine your sexual orientation, but it does determine your gender, so sexual orientation and gender are not analagous. You don't come into this world as gay or straight, but you do come into this world as a male or female. Gender identity may be fluid and subjective, but gender is not.

The silent majority knows that challenging the scientific absolutism of gender and attacking those who state that truth is woke horsesh!t. Where I don't think people should remain silent is drawing that line at bodily mutilation and chemical alteration of hormonal production -- the surgical and irreversible -- transformation of one's body, from which minors should be prohibited.

That's not transphobia, that's simple social conscience.

 

[Billtx49]

It's been observed in nature, that when a species becomes overpopulated in it's given environment, there is a higher occurrence of homosexuality.

All I know for a fact is that a young person's personality/behavior is shaped by their heredity And/Or their environment during their formative years…

 

[Bokanovsky]

Homosexuality is scientifically correlated with low natural testosterone levels, so it's partially genetic.

If testosterone levels determined sexual orientation, gays could become straight by taking steroids. Yet, it doesn't work like that. The fact of the matter is that there is no solid proof of genetic causes of homosexuality, despite enormous amounts of time and money being spent trying to find it. All we have is vague studies of questionable reliability suggesting weak correlations.

Homosexuality is a fluid concept. Men in jail and in the military engage in homosexual acts and then "revert" back to heterosexuality. In some ancient societies, such as Greece and Rome, homosexuality and bisexuality were entirely normalized. In Sparta, they actually encouraged soldiers to be in homosexual relationships with each other (the theory was that a soldier would fight harder if someone they cared about was fighting side-by-side). Even in some modern societies, such as Afghanistan, homosexual relations with children and teenagers are considered more or less normal.

The fact that homosexuals comprise a growing percentage of the overall population is no coincidence and is certainly not a result of people coming out the closet. This is acquired behaviour, encouraged by society (or, more accurately, the people who control our society).

 

[PRW63]

WTF is going on with the world and this non-binary crap??

IT is called Society Self-Destruction.

 

[rjc149]

If testosterone levels determined sexual orientation, gays could become straight by taking steroids. Yet, it doesn't work like that. The fact of the matter is that there is no solid proof of genetic causes of homosexuality, despite enormous amounts of time and money being spent trying to find it. All we have is vague studies of questionable reliability suggesting weak correlations.

Homosexuality is a fluid concept. Men in jail and in the military engage in homosexual acts and then "revert" back to heterosexuality. In some ancient societies, such as Greece and Rome, homosexuality and bisexuality were entirely normalized. In Sparta, they actually encouraged soldiers to be in homosexual relationships with each other (the theory was that a soldier would fight harder if someone they cared about was fighting side-by-side). Even in some modern societies, such as Afghanistan, homosexual relations with children and teenagers are considered more or less normal.

The fact that homosexuals comprise a growing percentage of the overall population is no coincidence and is certainly not a result of people coming out the closet. This is acquired behaviour, encouraged by society (or, more accurately, the people who control our society).

Testosterone levels do not cause sexual orientation, it's correlative. Studies seem to support the anecdotal observations we have of very effeminate men -- they tend to be gay. Of course, high-T men can be gay, and low-T men can be straight. It's not causal.

Again, it's a combination of nature and nurture. There is a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, caused by low natural T levels. Environmental factors bring the predisposition to fruition. So while I'm not agreeing with you that homosexuality is on the rise as compared with other human societies past and present (because I've seen no scientific or demographic research to indicate there are more gays around) I'm not disagreeing that environment and micro society plays an influential factor in determining whether one either engages in homosexual acts, or identifies as a homosexual.

My theory is that there are less closeted gays than before, because it's becoming more normalized. It's important to distinguish that in the examples you gave of ancient Greece and Rome, and in samurai society as well, there was no such distinct "gay" or "straight" as an identity. Men in those societies who sucked d!ck were also expected to bang women and spread their seed.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Testosterone levels do not cause sexual orientation, it's correlative. Studies seem to support the anecdotal observations we have of very effeminate men -- they tend to be gay. Of course, high-T men can be gay, and low-T men can be straight. It's not causal.

The problem is that this is all very vague. "Studies seem to support anecdotal observations..."

Personally, I've met straight men who seemed rather effeminate and gays who were not effeminate at all. I will agree that, on average, gays have more effeminate mannerisms. But mannerisms are acquired traits. We know this because we constantly complain about modern women becoming less feminine. So if women can become less feminine as a result of cultural changes, why can't gay men become more feminine because they believe that this is how homosexuals are supposed to act?

And for that matter, why is it so difficult to accept that homosexuality may be entirely a result of environmental factors? Why does there have to be an underlying genetic reason?

 

[PRW63]

So while I'm not agreeing with you that homosexuality is on the rise as compared with other human societies past and present (because I've seen no scientific or demographic research to indicate there are more gays around)

It is on the rise now. They are "made" not "born". Committing a homosexual act doesn't make one homosexual, such as in the example of prisoners. With prisoners it is mostly about dominance and humiliation,...and that isn't the same as choosing the effeminate lifestyle.

It peaked areound 2000BC then declined to almost nothing.

It peaked during the Roman Empire (following the rise of feminism), then declined to almost nothing.

It peaked again during the Renascence, then declined to almost nothing.

It is in the midst of peaking in the modern western societies (following the rise of feminism) and bleeding over into non-western societies as they becomed more "westernized"

Not sure if it was proceeded by feminism in 2000BC or in the Renascence period.

It comes in the declining stages of the societies experiencing it. Sometimes the societies survive, sometimes they don't.

 

[joesbigship]

I doubt gay sex is anywhere near as prevalent in prisons or the military as the media makes it out to be.

More fake and gay propaganda...

 

[PRW63]

The problem is that this is all very vague. "Studies seem to support anecdotal observations..."

You can't get scientific objective studies on any subject that has been politicized and made "untouchable",...and forbidden to study it. As soon as some scientist tries to study it they would be labeled "homo-phobe" and would have their funding pulled, lose their occupation, and be destroyed in the "community" they existed in. So anecdotal is what you get,...and anecdotal does have value. Part of science is observation which is "experience" and that is exactly what anecdotal is. Science is "Experimentation & Observation". Anecdotal is Observation, it just lacks the controlled experimentation preceding it.

 

[rjc149]

And for that matter, why is it so difficult to accept that homosexuality may be entirely a result of environmental factors? Why does there have to be an underlying genetic reason?

Because this suggests that gay men have "learned" to be, and to do, something that in many societies will result in their ostracization, torture, and/or execution. If it were a simple matter of cognitive conditioning, they should be able to undo it, rather than continue the unwanted behavior surreptitiously at the risk of social/familial shunning or death. But it's not a simple matter of environmental conditioning or affectation of mannerisms, because that would lend legitimacy to the bogus "deconditioning" that gays have been subjected to throughout the 20th century.

I don't really want to spend time providing links to scientific studies which suggest a correlation between low T and homosexuality, but they are numerous and substantial. I'm also not arguing that gay and straight are black and white. We all fall within a spectrum based on genetic predisposition, upbringing and environment. The combination of those can put some people on a polar end of that spectrum. A man who solely and exclusively has romantic relationships with other men cannot decondition his homosexuality, which indicates some level of inherent chemical hardwiring over which he has no control.

 

[Billtx49]

I doubt gay sex is anywhere near as prevalent in prisons or the military as the media makes it out to be.

Don’t drop your soap in the prison shower…

 

[Bokanovsky]

Because this suggests that gay men have "learned" to be, and to do, something that in many societies will result in their ostracization, torture, and/or execution. If it were a simple matter of cognitive conditioning, they should be able to undo it, rather than continue the unwanted behavior surreptitiously at the risk of social/familial shunning or death. But it's not a simple matter of environmental conditioning or affectation of mannerisms, because that would lend legitimacy to the bogus "deconditioning" that gays have been subjected to throughout the 20th century.

Just because something is an acquired behavior shaped by environmental factors does not mean that it is easy to decondition or undo. Look at addiction, for example. There are people who are addicted to gambling, pornography, video games. Those addictions are often extremely difficult to break. And yet, they are entirely environmental. Before video games were invented, there were no video game addicts. Environmental conditioning does not imply someone waking up one day and deciding that they are going to try being gay for a change. It includes things like being sexually abused as a minor, growing up without a proper male model, and other types of extreme emotional trauma.

A study that I would really like to see is one that measures the percentage of children adopted by gay couples that grow up to be gay themselves. I would venture a guess that it is way out of proportion compared to children raised by heterosexual couples. But no one would date to conduct, let alone publish, such a study.

 

[PRW63]

Don’t drop your soap in the prison shower…

He may be right about the military. The media hates the military unless it is being used for a social experiment, or they can use it to forward and agenda. They bash the military every chance they get.

 

[rjc149]

Just because something is an acquired behavior shaped by environmental factors does not mean that it is easy to decondition or undo. Look at addiction, for example. There are people who are addicted to gambling, pornography, video games. Those addictions are often extremely difficult to break. And yet, they are entirely environmental. Before video games were invented, there were no video game addicts. Environmental conditioning does not imply someone waking up one day and deciding that they are going to try being gay for a change. It includes things like being sexually abused as a minor, growing up without a proper male model, and other types of extreme emotional trauma.

A study that I would really like to see is one that measures the percentage of children adopted by gay couples that grow up to be gay themselves. I would venture a guess that it is way out of proportion compared to children raised by heterosexual couples. But no one would date to conduct, let alone publish, such a study.

Equating homosexuality with addiction runs into a key problem — there are plenty of recovered addicts around. There are no recovered gays. That is because homosexuality cannot be undone, unlearned, deconditioned, or cured. Which again presents fairly incontrovertible evidence that genetic predisposition and chemical composition in the brain are factors in addition to environmental factors.

I don’t know the source or if it has an LGBT agenda, but here

Same-sex couples do not influence their adoptive children's gender identity

There is no major difference in the gender identity development of children raised by same-sex parents compared to those adopted by heterosexual couples. The toys that children prefer to play with in their preschool years are much more tell-tale about whether they will grow up to conform to...

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[Bigpapa]

Equating homosexuality with addiction runs into a key problem — there are plenty of recovered addicts around. There are no recovered gays. That is because homosexuality cannot be undone, unlearned, deconditioned, or cured. Which again presents fairly incontrovertible evidence that genetic predisposition and chemical composition in the brain are factors in addition to environmental factors.

I don’t know the source or if it has an LGBT agenda, but here

Same-sex couples do not influence their adoptive children's gender identity

There is no major difference in the gender identity development of children raised by same-sex parents compared to those adopted by heterosexual couples. The toys that children prefer to play with in their preschool years are much more tell-tale about whether they will grow up to conform to...

www.sciencedaily.com

what I have noticed by talking with gay guys is that the vast majority are actually bisexual and were raised by a very strict father or were raised by a single mother

I would say that most gay people have one or more traits in common :

- being gay is a form a revenge to the father
- have no clear identity to whom they really are , as they lacked a fatherly figure
- have some sort of mental problems . Like depression or low self esteem
- mainly sleep with other guys as it is way more simple to have gay sex ( as a guy ) than to sleep with at least an average women

I am not trying to put gay people down , on the contrary people should have the liberty to sleep with whom ever they want with ( except for minors , animals and dead people )

 

[rjc149]

what I have noticed by talking with gay guys is that the vast majority are actually bisexual and were raised by a very strict father or were raised by a single mother

I would say that most gay people have one or more traits in common :

- being gay is a form a revenge to the father
- have no clear identity to whom they really are , as they lacked a fatherly figure
- have some sort of mental problems . Like depression or low self esteem
- mainly sleep with other guys as it is way more simple to have gay sex ( as a guy ) than to sleep with at least an average women

I am not trying to put gay people down , on the contrary people should have the liberty to sleep with whom ever they want with ( except for minors , animals and dead people )

Most gay men I’ve known were not bi, but not super queeny gay either. I agree there’s usually an absence of a positive father figure, which is often the root of their neuroticism and low esteem (my cousin, who recently came out, had a very strained relationship with his conservative father who now will not speak to him). There is usually a more dominant, matriarchal mother. Most gay men I’ve known have been suicidal or given to other severe depressive disorders like bipolarity, but that may be rooted from living their whole lives in a society which is generally hostile to their existence, not being gay in and of itself.

There are undoubtedly environmental conditions at play, but my cousin for example played with Barbie dolls, wore women’s makeup and put on showtunes performances for everyone as a young child, long before any environmental conditions would influence his adult sexuality. He was just gay all along.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Same thing I would suggest to those who believe in the Illuminati and Santa Claus.

Cute. Might as well associate flat earth with the red pill while we're at it.

With a response to the OP, this is all part of an overarching agenda to neutralize those who are perceived as the main threat to globalist tyranny, which is the western white male. Make him feminine, dumb, tired and distracted and things get easier for total domination.

Curious though that this thread is coming up out of the blue when these issues have been obvious and a cause of concern for over a decade now.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Equating homosexuality with addiction runs into a key problem — there are plenty of recovered addicts around. There are no recovered gays. That is because homosexuality cannot be undone, unlearned, deconditioned, or cured.

That is completely untrue. Lots of people change their sexual identity later in life. Google "sexual fluidity". In fact, bisexuals and homosexuals are much more likely to change their sexual orientation than heterosexuals.

http://midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1153.pdf

 

[Bokanovsky]

There are undoubtedly environmental conditions at play, but my cousin for example played with Barbie dolls, wore women’s makeup and put on showtunes performances for everyone as a young child, long before any environmental conditions would influence his adult sexuality. He was just gay all along.

How did your cousin get his hands on Barbie dolls and makeup in the first place? Do you think that his parents may have had something to do with this? When I was a little boy, my parents bought me toy cars, toy guns, legos, transformers, action figures, etc. Not make up and Barbie dolls.

 

[rjc149]

How did your cousin get his hands on Barbie dolls and makeup in the first place? Do you think that his parents may have had something to do with this? When I was a little boy, my parents bought me toy cars, toy guns, legos, transformers, action figures, etc. Not make up and Barbie dolls.

His older sister.