Would it make sense to let your girl consume red pill content?

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Do you think it'd make sense to let a girl you're in an LTR with consume red pill content once you're deep enough into the relationship?

Assuming a girl is intelligent and open minded, on the off chance that she'll accept it / part of it -

Understanding her own nature and how it's perceived by men, just might end up creating the perfect life companion - it could help avoid future pitfalls that can literally be foreseen in order to maximize your shared life experience.

It might be however a logical solution to a problem that isn't driven by logic and can't be solved with logic in the first place.

I had 1 failed attempt -

In my previous LTR with a 25 years old - I tried to "educate" her on some red pill stuff, and while I completely "won" the logical side, logic ended up not mattering at all.
While accepting every logical argument I made, she literally admitted she just has this innate drive to act according to her emotions - even though she can logically see that they don't make any sense and are a dead-end.
It was a bit of a mind fvck for me at the time, even though I do understand that women are primarily driven by emotions, it just felt so absurd.

Has anyone ever tried to do such a thing? How did it end up for you? Is it a battle lost before it is even fought?
 

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Do you think it'd make sense to let a girl you're in an LTR with consume red pill content once you're deep enough into the relationship?

Assuming a girl is intelligent and open minded, on the off chance that she'll accept it / part of it -

Understanding her own nature and how it's perceived by men, just might end up creating the perfect life companion - it could help avoid future pitfalls that can literally be foreseen in order to maximize your shared life experience.

It might be however a logical solution to a problem that isn't driven by logic and can't be solved with logic in the first place.

I had 1 failed attempt -

In my previous LTR with a 25 years old - I tried to "educate" her on some red pill stuff, and while I completely "won" the logical side, logic ended up not mattering at all.
While accepting every logical argument I made, she literally admitted she just has this innate drive to act according to her emotions - even though she can logically see that they don't make any sense and are a dead-end.
It was a bit of a mind fvck for me at the time, even though I do understand that women are primarily driven by emotions, it just felt so absurd.

Has anyone ever tried to do such a thing? How did it end up for you? Is it a battle lost before it is even fought?
To what end? The rest of society is telling her the red pill way is the male hierarchy, it's oppression, it's abuse, blah, blah, blah. It's like spitting into the wind and trying to convince everyone else it's raining. Not going to happen.
 

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Well it is the male hierarchy in a sense :)
Red pill content (to the best of my understanding so far) tries to analyze things objectively, and then reach practical deductions for its male audience on the best approaches and concepts that stem from these analyzations.

Theoretically, I think women can learn from at least the first part of the equation the same way men can, though who's to say it'd be to the men's benefit.

I agree that in the majority of cases it'd be a futile attempt to fight the social conditioning of every single person in her life, but with the "right" person and an open mind, who knows.
 
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The red pill has some good points but also some hypocritical bs that understandably turns women off.

Showing someone red pill would have to involve removing the bs that women simply are not going to buy into, and approaching it in a way that would resonate with them.

For example when you see those red pill YouTubers the common themes tend to be women are evil, illogical, emotionally unstable, not able to commit, can’t truly love anyone or be loyal, garabage after a certain age, garbage if they are singles moms, garbage if they have had more than a few sexual partners, need to be trained, molded etc.

Naturally, most women are not going want to to be seen much less treated that way, and unfortunately, the most visible and known red pillers tend to have the most extreme and negative views of women.

So it’s a hard sell. There are also now sites and blogs warning women to avoid red pill men so my advice to you is if she doesn’t know about red pill, leave it be.
 

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The red pill has some good points but also some hypocritical bs that understandably turns women off.

Showing someone red pill would have to involve removing the bs that women simply are not going to buy into, and approaching it in a way that would resonate with them.

For example when you see those red pill YouTubers the common themes tend to be women are evil, illogical, emotionally unstable, not able to commit, can’t truly love anyone or be loyal, garabage after a certain age, garbage if they are singles moms, garbage if they have had more than a few sexual partners, need to be trained, molded etc.

Naturally, most women are not going want to to be seen much less treated that way, and unfortunately, the most visible and known red pillers tend to have the most extreme and negative views of women.

So it’s a hard sell. There are also now sites and blogs warning women to avoid red pill men so my advice to you is if she doesn’t know about red pill, leave it be.
Of course, what you mentioned is more like an impossible sell.

How about things like The Rational Male books, or even selectively trying to explain the sexual market place, what women are looking for, how a marriage could be set for failure without them even realizing it, etc, while trying to stay as objective as possible?

I'm deviating a bit from the topic, but following what you said -

I watched yesterday quite a few videos of "coach red pill", some of his stuff make sense, or at the very least are things I'd really like to buy into.
On the other hand, on some videos he pretty much says exactly these things - women are garbage after a certain age, if they are single moms, etc.
Even though some good points are made, things are put in a very cruel and binary way, there are many half truths.
Had I not been surrounded with women family members my whole life and had some real life references I could've easily bought into that - this puts into question the legitimacy of the rest of the content.

The red pill didn't shock my world because I was already familiar with game and RSD for quite a while and had a similar way of looking at things.
I already knew what it tasted like, I simply gained more knowledge of the same flavor.

Nonetheless, I was still exposed just very recently to this whole "red pill" as an actual thing and to this community.

From your experience, which "red pill" content stands out as more objective? Which stands out as more bs? (is the majority of red pill content on youtube bs?)

I'd like to learn from legit guys who've already been there and done that, ones that are at least close to being objective.
 

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or example when you see those red pill YouTubers the common themes tend to be women are evil, illogical, emotionally unstable, not able to commit, can’t truly love anyone or be loyal,
Sounds like personality disorders.

garabage after a certain age, garbage if they are singles moms, garbage if they have had more than a few sexual partners
- Everyone has an expiry date: they day they stop caring. Looks will decline with age, but if you take care of yourself and in particular if you get modern cosmetic treatments for that (and hormone replacement), you can mitigate it.

- Gotta give it on this one, I wouldn't be open to committing to raising a woman's child from another man in my household and taking on her ongoing baggage with her former/"former" lover unless I was a single dad and even then not happily, just because otherwise I'd be a hypocrite... there's a horrible gut feeling about it, like it or not.

- Guys' opinions on this will vary... mine is that women especially in 2018 have more, easier, and relatively hotter options for sex, so of course they will have much more of it. Guys seem to understand that abstractly, but don't want to admit it about their own princesses. I also believe in the principle of self-management, in this context meaning you have the liberty to control your own life without someone else imposing on you what they think you should do. I don't think women (or men) "should" have, be, or do anything that someone else tells them to, because it's their life, and I don't believe in shaming. However, if a man is going to commit to a woman then obviously he wants her to be able to do so and the fear is that screwing around too much will basically cause a "This is your brain on the c0ck carousel"-effect, and affect her ability to form a genuine pair bond. It's also that no one wants to be the "beta bucks" who is settled for after the "more than a few sexual partners" deal out of calculation rather than desire.

- need to be trained, molded etc.
Shrug... I guess they're referring to the bedroom somehow, but maybe it's also about "teaching" her boundaries or something... don't know what else it'd reasonably be, molding her into liking to play lego with you? lol
 
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Of course, what you mentioned is more like an impossible sell.

How about things like The Rational Male books, or even selectively trying to explain the sexual market place, what women are looking for, how a marriage could be set for failure without them even realizing it, etc, while trying to stay as objective as possible?

I'm deviating a bit from the topic, but following what you said -

I watched yesterday quite a few videos of "coach red pill", some of his stuff make sense, or at the very least are things I'd really like to buy into.
On the other hand, on some videos he pretty much says exactly these things - women are garbage after a certain age, if they are single moms, etc.
Even though some good points are made, things are put in a very cruel and binary way, there are many half truths.
Had I not been surrounded with women family members my whole life and had some real life references I could've easily bought into that - this puts into question the legitimacy of the rest of the content.

The red pill didn't shock my world because I was already familiar with game and RSD for quite a while and had a similar way of looking at things.
I already knew what it tasted like, I simply gained more knowledge of the same flavor.

Nonetheless, I was still exposed just very recently to this whole "red pill" as an actual thing and to this community.

From your experience, which "red pill" content stands out as more objective? Which stands out as more bs? (is the majority of red pill content on youtube bs?)

I'd like to learn from legit guys who've already been there and done that, ones that are at least close to being objective.

Not putting women on a pedestal.

Not allowing yourself to be treated like crap just to get sex.

Having your own hobbies and interests and not having a woman or women as the top priority in your life. She should compliment your life, not consume it.

All the health and fitness stuff/ self improvement stuff.

Getting out of your comfort zone to talk to women.

Having options.



Those are the ones I can think of from the top of my head.
 

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Not putting women on a pedestal.

Not allowing yourself to be treated like crap just to get sex.

Having your own hobbies and interests and not having a woman or women as the top priority in your life. She should compliment your life, not consume it.

All the health and fitness stuff/ self improvement stuff.

Getting out of your comfort zone to talk to women.

Having options.



Those are the ones I can think of from the top of my head.
Yup I'm familiar with those, thanks for listing them nonetheless :) I've been consuming RSD content for years.

I meant, are there any worthwhile red pill "mentors" out there? Would you consider RSD (real social dynamics) red pill?



- Everyone has an expiry date: they day they stop caring. Looks will decline with age, but if you take care of yourself and in particular if you get modern cosmetic treatments for that (and hormone replacement), you can mitigate it.
- Gotta give it on this one, I wouldn't be open to committing to raising a woman's child from another man in my household and taking on her ongoing baggage with her former/"former" lover unless I was a single dad and even then not happily, just because otherwise I'd be a hypocrite...
- Guys' opinions on this will vary... mine is that women especially in 2018 have more, easier, and relatively hotter options for sex, so of course they will have much more of it. Guys seem to understand that abstractly, but don't want to admit it about their own princesses.
Sure so far what you said makes sense, however, feel like watching this video and letting me know what you think?
 
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Sounds like personality disorders.



- Everyone has an expiry date: they day they stop caring. Looks will decline with age, but if you take care of yourself and in particular if you get modern cosmetic treatments for that (and hormone replacement), you can mitigate it.
- Gotta give it on this one, I wouldn't be open to committing to raising a woman's child from another man in my household and taking on her ongoing baggage with her former/"former" lover unless I was a single dad and even then not happily, just because otherwise I'd be a hypocrite...
- Guys' opinions on this will vary... mine is that women especially in 2018 have more, easier, and relatively hotter options for sex, so of course they will have much more of it. Guys seem to understand that abstractly, but don't want to admit it about their own princesses.



Shrug... I guess they're referring to the bedroom somehow, but maybe it's also about "teaching" her boundaries or something... don't know what else it'd reasonably be, molding her into liking to play lego with you? lol
Hahaha yes they do sound like personality disorders right?

Re single moms There’s preferring not to date a single mom which is fine, but seeing them ALL as garbage is not fine. There are many reasons why a woman becomes a single mom but they are lumped in with welfare case baby mommas, BPD’s and other negative traits which is a gross generalization.

The molding thing I’m referring to has been explained like basically training a dog or small child to behave the way one wants them to behave, and the more innocent and naive they are the easier it is to mold them, appearently. There was one comment on another site where it was suggested to date cute girls with mild developmental delay because they would be easier to mold. So that kind of stuff.

The boundary stuff has some good tips which actually apply to both men and women.

I do feel that girls who sleep around like sl*ts may not be able to pair bond which is a red pill theory. I think that’s true. But I also think it’s true for men to an extent, though perhaps not as much as for women.
 

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Sure so far what you said makes sense, however, feel like watching this video and letting me know what you think?
Yeah I'll tell you what I think... why is this guy doing a 22 minute meandering video instead of going to the gym to help get rid of his gut? He could've said the same things in a few minutes. He didn't even go into any emotional context with the length, just a resource context. Finally, considering women damaged because they don't have a decent father figure or they have more than 2 sex partners or they've had casual sex eliminates virtually every single woman. If you'd rather spend the rest of your life jerking your d1ck, go ahead. Me, I'll do what humans are born to do... adapt.
 

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Finally, considering women damaged because they don't have a decent father figure or they have more than 2 sex partners or they've had casual sex eliminates virtually every single woman.
That's exactly my point.
 

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The molding thing I’m referring to has been explained like basically training a dog or small child to behave the way one wants them to behave, and the more innocent and naive they are the easier it is to mold them, appearently. There was one comment on another site where it was suggested to date cute girls with mild developmental delay because they would be easier to mold. So that kind of stuff.
Obviously we all want good behavior but that specific formulation sounds kinda creepy to me, reading that I got a vision of some creepy little girl in a horror movie playing with a doll house puppeteering and talking for them, "molding" them...

I do feel that girls who sleep around like sl*ts may not be able to pair bond which is a red pill theory. I think that’s true. But I also think it’s true for men to an extent, though perhaps not as much as for women.
I wonder whether it's girls who weren't going to pair bond anyway who go on the carousel, or whether it's the carousel that causes the damage (obviously it's not that neatly simple in real life where everyone has their story). Chicken or the egg...

For men, I don't know, I've never dated a man... lol.. I think the risk is lesser for men in general in any case because men don't have the same kind of easy and abundant sexual options and with higher SMVs that women do, so they will be easier to satisfy. But there is certainly a segment of each gender which is "chronic" and my guess is that both high SMVs and personality disorders are overrepresented there.
 
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Obviously we all want good behavior but that specific formulation sounds kinda creepy to me, reading that I got a vision of some creepy little girl in a horror movie playing with a doll house puppeteering and talking for them, "molding" them...



I wonder whether it's girls who weren't going to pair bond anyway who go on the carousel, or whether it's the carousel that causes the damage (obviously it's not that neatly simple in real life where everyone has their story). Chicken or the egg...

For men, I don't know, I've never dated a man... lol.. I think the risk is lesser for men in general in any case because men don't have the same kind of easy and abundant sexual options and with higher SMVs that women do, so they will be easier to satisfy. But there is certainly a segment of each gender which is "chronic" and my guess is that both high SMVs and personality disorders are overrepresented there.
That’s an excellent question re chicken or egg. I never thought about it that way but yeah, are girls who are out sleeping around already in some way damaged? Or did sleeping around make them that way?
Because it’s true that women can get sex a lot easier, but not all women become sl*ts.

Yeah... food for thought...
 

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Advice from the old lady:

I refer to myself that way precisely because at my age and status (late 40's divorced mother of 3) I must inherently be garbage, right? So I make the reference tongue in cheek because I actually am having a good experience at my age and place in life. Ups and downs of course, but I'm pleased with my journey thus far, am enjoying success, enjoying motherhood, enjoying my relationship (with a hot slightly younger man), have options and I will never be, I assure you, a cat lady, lol. Cats are much more trouble and much less fun than a good man ;)

Red Pill encompasses so much that it is not an easy thing to explain to a woman who isn't already aware of the way things actually are between men & women. Feminism is a lie in many ways, promising happiness in independence (that is not how humans as social creatures are wired) and thus feminism does women a disservice in the realm of romance, dating, bonding and human relationships because it ignores biology and historical societal structure & function. From the standpoint that the TRP points out the lies of feminism I think it is a positive thing. There are great virtues and rewards to be found as a faithful wife, mother, and life mate to a worthy man. And therein are some of the inherent problems. There are few worthy men these days, few virtuous women, few parents teaching their sons and daughters how to be good partners, have decent morals and solid character, and the adverse consequences of behavior that doesn't conform to this value system.

The red pill theory from that standpoint has been quietly taught in upper class circles forever. Namely that sons need to have ambition and make something of themselves while being gentlemen and that daughters need to have grace, beauty, manners, feminine character, be a good hostess and exhibit class in their personal conduct as worthy wives & mothers. And the two complement each other and therefore make a good choices as a romantic partner. In certain circles women have always been judged by their ability to reflect well on their man and their family. Men have always been judged on accomplishment and status, whether inherited or earned of their own merit. Upper class circles retain the patriarchal structure even in Western cultures. I think the appeal of Eastern European, Asian and even Latin women derives from the fact that those cultures remain patriarchal in nature as well.

When you get into the masses however, at least in Westernized societies, where being naturally raised in a red pill way is not the norm in the present generation, then the meaning of the term morphs into something else. It's a way for men to grossly categorize women, judge them on appearance above all else rather than character, and it's an excuse for the mediocre man's shortcomings and failures. Its AWALT, hypergamy, SMP, LMS, SMV, the wall and all this other nonsense that sees all people through a filter that allows no one individuality, particularly not women, irrationally hopelessly emotional creatures that we must be (if you believe the generalization applies without exception.) This creates a jaded view that can't see individual variation and is therefore in my mind under developed and immature. And no, I do not think exposing a woman to this immature and jaded view is a good thing.

My father for example was red pill before anybody called it red pill. He thought women ought to be wives and mothers as top billing because that is what women are built to do (biology much?) and men cannot bear their own children...and men ought to pass on their lineage. That's grossly oversimplified of course, but that was at the core of my father's deeply help beliefs. He also held that men should lead the marriage and men should lead the family. Period.

There is good information out there on how to lead a relationship (good red pill advice), how to choose a woman of character to be one's life partner (good red pill advice), and how to be the best man you are capable of becoming (good red pill advice), and why you should not make women (or a woman) your end all be all in life (good red pill advice).

But there is also jaded information out there that lies to men the same way feminism lies to women. Some of the lies out there are:

1. Women are emotional never rational
2. Women are washed up after age xyz
3. Hypergamy drives all female behavior
4. Single mothers are always garbage
5. Hotness is all that matters
6. Marriage is never a good idea under any circumstances

and the biggest lie going IMO:

7. Sexual abundance is the goal and will solve all your problems

NONE of the above statements are true to the degree much of the manosphere would lead you to believe, and in fact the manosphere itself is made up of people who experienced hardship or failure in relationships along the way. The happily married men as a general rule do not end up finding the manosphere...they don't need it. So the manosphere has it's slant but like Pandora's box, it also has Hope and a means of self transformation.

So I think it is wise to understand the bias inherent in red pill perspective, and understand where the schism happens between encouragement toward positive self growth and dealing in reality where women are concerned and the darker side of TRP that tries to soothe mediocrity with AWALT theories and other things rather than handing people the unvarnished truth that the majority of people are average and to become above average without God-given endowment (a la Lebron James or George Clooney or Giselle) requires a tremendous amount of work (that relatively few people are willing to undertake).

There is nothing inspirational in telling the public the truth, which is that people fall on a bell curve. Most people fall under the bell of the curve where the average person is. Accept that and find another average person and life will do OK. Instead TRP for men (and feminism for women) try to tell everyone in their respective audiences that YOU are EXCEPTIONAL! And therefore YOU are ENTITLED to the best of everything. Consumerism maybe? At any rate both are misleading their audiences.

Those who truly are exceptional in some way are going to rise to the top in their respective arena. That is what exceptional people do. And that is why it is said that for the "high quality" segment of the SMP, hypergamy is dead. But statistically speaking few people are objectively exceptional. Everyone should therefore strive to be the best they can be and to reach a place of self satisfaction along the way. From there quality relationships with a suitable partner become viable.

I personally find some of TRP utterly silly but some of it of great value. One of the biggest things I see is just how much men CARE about stuff I didn't really realize men cared about...and that is useful to me as a woman because it helps me better understand my man in particular and the male mindset in general. But expecting the average feminism indoctrinated woman to see past all the gooble-d-gook to the meat of the matter is asking a lot.

Better to lead by example as someone mentioned above.
 

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There is nothing inspirational in telling the public the truth, which is that people fall on a bell curve. Most people fall under the bell of the curve where the average person is. Accept that and find another average person and life will do OK. Instead TRP for men (and feminism for women) try to tell everyone in their respective audiences that YOU are EXCEPTIONAL! And therefore YOU are ENTITLED to the best of everything. Consumerism maybe? At any rate both are misleading their audiences.

Those who truly are exceptional in some way are going to rise to the top in their respective arena. That is what exceptional people do. And that is why it is said that for the "high quality" segment of the SMP, hypergamy is dead. But statistically speaking few people are objectively exceptional. Everyone should therefore strive to be the best they can be and to reach a place of self satisfaction along the way. From there quality relationships with a suitable partner become viable.

I personally find some of TRP utterly silly but some of it of great value. One of the biggest things I see is just how much men CARE about stuff I didn't really realize men cared about...and that is useful to me as a woman because it helps me better understand my man in particular and the male mindset in general. But expecting the average feminism indoctrinated woman to see past all the gooble-d-gook to the meat of the matter is asking a lot.

Better to lead by example as someone mentioned above.
It's fascinating to hear the thoughts of a "red pilled" woman, thanks for the detailed response.

I'm very interested in further understanding your side of things. I have many questions for you - I hope it's not too much.

You'll see many question marks, but you can look at many of these as sub-questions that attempt to clarify my main questions.


1) What do you personally look for in a man?

Most likely some mix of status, looks, behavior, personality, wealth, lifestyle, etc. Which things do you objectively give more weight to and why?

How much weight do you specifically give to emotions and to how a man makes you feel?

For instance, would you prioritize a man who grants you with a wide range of emotions over a man who'd be a good partner and provider from a more logical point of view?

How would you describe the drive behind your romantic decisions?

Would the same apply to when you were younger?

2) When you were younger, how much "credit" would you have given to man who's working on maximizing every aspect of his life (wealth, health, self development, etc)?

i.e. how much credit would you give to the promise of a certain future or at the very least to the honest attempt to create such a future? other than the ambition which is already a given in such a case.

How understanding would you have been towards a man sacrificing important aspects of his life in the present (e.g. toning down social life, moderate lifestyle) in order to achieve his future goals and how willing would you have been to accept it?

Would any of that be any factor in the attraction to the person (both sexual and not sexual) as a possible companion? If so, to what degree?

3) Does the guy you're in a relationship with has any kids of his own?

4) What drove you to find the red pill community?

5) How would you define upper circles? Do you have any concrete examples of such upper circles? (I suppose the old fashioned nobility?)

Are they defined by wealth? status? both?

Can someone born in a "lower circle" find himself in such an upper circle by achieving things like financial success?

Personally, I care far more about the personal quality of a woman rather than any literal circles she might be hanging out in or any status she might have.

Since by that definition a high quality woman would not necessarily be hanging out in any such literal luxurious circles, how would you go about finding that kind of high quality women at different phases of their lives?

6) Interesting comparison between red pill and feminism, you might have a point there.

From your objective standpoint, would you entirely dismiss concepts like SMV, the wall, the epiphany, etc?

The more a person leans towards the average the more he's likely to be similar to others, and it seems to me that these concepts give a fair description of the masses.

I couldn't presume to know about how they apply to upper circles and to women who are otherwise truly far above average in their mindsets, at least not at the current point in my life.

7) How do you view career as a woman? Do you see yourself eventually as a housewife to be provided for? How far do you take your femininity?

8) "Sexual abundance is the goal and will solve all your problems" - I personally noticed in my own life at the very least the huge psychological gains and insights of having sexual abundance. I wouldn't define it as an actual goal, but rather as a necessary tool to reach a goal. Would you disagree with that? If so, why?
 
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When you get into the masses however, at least in Westernized societies, where being naturally raised in a red pill way is not the norm in the present generation, then the meaning of the term morphs into something else. It's a way for men to grossly categorize women, judge them on appearance above all else rather than character, and it's an excuse for the mediocre man's shortcomings and failures. Its AWALT, hypergamy, SMP, LMS, SMV, the wall and all this other nonsense that sees all people through a filter that allows no one individuality, particularly not women, irrationally hopelessly emotional creatures that we must be (if you believe the generalization applies without exception.) This creates a jaded view that can't see individual variation and is therefore in my mind under developed and immature. And no, I do not think exposing a woman to this immature and jaded view is a good thing.

My father for example was red pill before anybody called it red pill. He thought women ought to be wives and mothers as top billing because that is what women are built to do (biology much?) and men cannot bear their own children...and men ought to pass on their lineage. That's grossly oversimplified of course, but that was at the core of my father's deeply help beliefs. He also held that men should lead the marriage and men should lead the family. Period.
Just like feminism, there are different varieties of red pill. For me it means a mental self-emancipation. I decide who I should be and what I want to do in my life and I take the consequences of that. In the realm of women, that means you view people as individuals. But you act on what you feel about someone's personality and history rather than what someone else tells you to. For that to really be possible, you have to know as much truth about the person as you can and my "women" part of the red pill is supposed to be that on a collective level.

There is good information out there ...... But there is also jaded information out there that lies to men the same way feminism lies to women. Some of the lies out there are:

1. Women are emotional never rational
2. Women are washed up after age xyz
3. Hypergamy drives all female behavior
4. Single mothers are always garbage
5. Hotness is all that matters
6. Marriage is never a good idea under any circumstances

and the biggest lie going IMO:

7. Sexual abundance is the goal and will solve all your problems

NONE of the above statements are true to the degree much of the manosphere would lead you to believe, and in fact the manosphere itself is made up of people who experienced hardship or failure in relationships along the way. The happily married men as a general rule do not end up finding the manosphere...they don't need it. So the manosphere has it's slant but like Pandora's box, it also has Hope and a means of self transformation.
The cases you bring up are exaggerations and judgements of someone in the "anger" phase, but I guess that's what your point is.

The one thing I will say is not an exaggeration is that marriage is indeed not a good idea under any circumstances. All it is is a contract exposing you to and incentivizing her to have your and your childrens' lives ruined for something you can have anyway (a family), but you still have to watch out for laws that treat cohabitating as marriage.

So I think it is wise to understand the bias inherent in red pill perspective, and understand where the schism happens between encouragement toward positive self growth and dealing in reality where women are concerned and the darker side of TRP that tries to soothe mediocrity with AWALT theories and other things rather than handing people the unvarnished truth that the majority of people are average and to become above average without God-given endowment (a la Lebron James or George Clooney or Giselle) requires a tremendous amount of work (that relatively few people are willing to undertake).

There is nothing inspirational in telling the public the truth, which is that people fall on a bell curve. Most people fall under the bell of the curve where the average person is. Accept that and find another average person and life will do OK. Instead TRP for men (and feminism for women) try to tell everyone in their respective audiences that YOU are EXCEPTIONAL! And therefore YOU are ENTITLED to the best of everything. Consumerism maybe? At any rate both are misleading their audiences.
The red pill is not about competing with others to be someone else's definition of above average (or "the best you can be" if you want to euphemize it) thanks to now knowing what women "really" want, which is a self-defeating goal because most people will always be around average by definition. It's about self-emancipation and truth. Also, if you listen to guys who define themselves as red pill they will tell you that "finding another average person (woman)" is made harder by hypergamy in combination with womens' easier access to more sex and that's one of the things they talk about. I don't think your point about trp telling men they are exceptional and entitled is accurate either, that is a critique of the trp about feminism which you can't avoid seeing if you go on any kind of trp media.

[quoteThose who truly are exceptional in some way are going to rise to the top in their respective arena. That is what exceptional people do. And that is why it is said that for the "high quality" segment of the SMP, hypergamy is dead. But statistically speaking few people are objectively exceptional. Everyone should therefore strive to be the best they can be and to reach a place of self satisfaction along the way. From there quality relationships with a suitable partner become viable.[/quote]

"High quality" is a personality, not an smv. And each gender's smv criteria is different. For men it's looks, money, status and for women it's looks and baggage. Then the personality comes in. So there is no single segment of "high quality" where hypergamy is dead.

I personally find some of TRP utterly silly but some of it of great value. One of the biggest things I see is just how much men CARE about stuff I didn't really realize men cared about...and that is useful to me as a woman because it helps me better understand my man in particular and the male mindset in general. But expecting the average feminism indoctrinated woman to see past all the gooble-d-gook to the meat of the matter is asking a lot.
This is something women say a lot. What stuff are you thinking of?
 

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And to answer the OP's question... I don't think it makes much sense to show red pill content to your girl. If she's the kind of person you want to be with, she might not mind it too much but you won't need to. If she's not, it won't help. In either case it could also backfire by her thinking you are a loser because winners/real men to her wouldn't need or care about trp. That's basically the reaction I got when an ex-plate found out about it. Though whether someone having that reaction would by definition put her in the "person you don't want to be with" category is up to you, but don't say we didn't warn you. If you're going to expose a girl to trp, do it innocently and incidentally. Furthermore the red pill isn't really directed at women (ie. at what women want to achieve), to give a random examples of content off the top of my head like "womens' sense of entitlement" or "men are clowns to women" is useless to her.
 
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.............. As opposed to a masculine woman keep trying to boss the damn frame all the time.
Hmmm.... is that you deesade? ;)
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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