Women's Sexual Past

[MickoZ]

- Never do error might mean not learning. You can get as much theory as you want but if you never experience it, or do the error you might never either remember it, or learn from it.

- One example is not all example!

- You guys have to understand that we can't generalize, I hope you _understand_ this. We can generalize to "show a viewpoint" but there is always exception, at less, I tend to think there is. ;-)

- Nobody said we were not polygamous. Women and men might have similar acting in life and that is torward sex too. There is a lot of talk that our "love feeling" are somehow chemical. A lot of "love feeling" can come from a sexual attraction. Sure there is more, but it does help a lot ;-) And I say this even though I like to be rational.

 

[MysteryWoman]

Sorry BP1974 have to disagree, but you are looking at the darkest side of human sexual nature. Not all good looking women use men for money to get sex, and if is sex was about all about power, I'd give it up and lead a cellabate life forever.

As for the women that use rich men, do not have near enough contempt as most men do towards women who sleep around. Gay men do not have hatred towards other men who sleep around. And their sex very much involves penetrator and being penetrated.

But you want to know why a lot of women let a lot of men fcuk them, is as simple as this she gets pleasure out of it, yes it turns her on. Even the most promiscuous women will have her standards, she will only sleep with men she likes or does it for money (well in this case it is power, e.g a prostitute).

My definition of slut is probably different from yours, I don't necessary percieve a woman who sleeps around as a slut. I percieve a slut that is will do absolutely any sexual favour to turn on a man, if it goes against turning her on. For example agreeing to threesomes, sadomasochism, and real kinky sex where the guy gets pleasure in abusing her.

 

[bp1974]

Not all good looking women use men for money to get sex

I agree, and not all good-looking men use women for sex either.

if is sex was about all about power, I'd give it up and lead a cellabate life forever.

This is why I've been making a distinction between sex in a loving relationship, and sex between people who don't know each other that well. In the first case, it is not about power, it's about intimacy. And when a certain amount of intimacy, trust and respect is built, you can begin to have fun with the power elements too, safe in the knowledge of your partner's love and your love for them.

In the second case, as far as the 'penetrator' is concerned, there is an exciting element of power in penetrating someone new and unknown. What you call the 'dark' side is always present to some degree in sex - better to acknowledge it as much a part of our nature as our 'lighter' sides.

Like I said, as a male it is impossible to fathom the idea of being penetrated by a stranger as any thing other than humiliation, so it's impossible to understand how a woman (or gay man) could do that to herself purely for the sexual pleasure it brings her.

Perhaps this is where the unbridgeable difference between male and female lies. I can never see it from your point of view, and you can never see it from mine, purely because of who we are. And no matter how many men say that a promiscuous woman doesn't bother them, underneath that surface shinel you will find in all of them to a greater or lesser degree the kinds of thoughts I've laid out in my posts.

 

[MysteryWoman]

A lot of gay men don't mind being penetrated, and straight women do not know any difference. But to percieve penetration and being penetrated as the role of being dominant and submissive, goes back to the old arguement that nice girls don't really enjoy sex. That is why it should be a privillgae for her husband alone. But things are different now, women can take the pill and have the freedom to get divorced.

But again I will say it the reason why a lot of girls sleep around is because they get pleasure from it (even though we are not as sex obssessed as men), apart from the screwed up few who do it for the sake of it and get no pleasure out of it. Of course there are many women who can't handle sex without emotions.

But things are never going to be black or white.

Take for example Madonna the reformed slut, she has now given up her promiscious ways since she has had children and have settled for a stable relationship. Whereas Kate Moss the shy and unassuming girl next door, model is reported to have thrown an orgy for her thirtheeth birthday (and is furious that this has come out, she can't deny it because staff at the hotel reported it to the newspaper). She is in a long term relationship with the father of her child that is barely a year old. Niaomi Campbell, Marianne Faithfull and Sadie Frost are other women who have been reported to take part.

Why does she do it? Well simply it turns her on, she is rich and has the freedom to do what she likes. If she got no pleasure from it, chances are she would do it , unless she was a prostitute being paid to.

I don't expect you to understand how women enjoy being penetrated and some being promiscuous, as you can't climb into a woman's body and feels what goes on.

Men don't like women being promiscuous consciously in your terms is because they can't understand how a woman can enjoy being penetrated by different men. But I think it goes deeper than that and is more on a subconscuious level. Men want to compete with men and penetrate as many women as possible, to pass on their genes to the next generation. And have the unconscious desire to kill another man if he cuckolds one of the the women in his harem.

I don't care if men deep down if men don't like it, or choose not to hang around the next morning, as long as he has the decency to give the woman pleasure as well as himself for that just one night.

I suggest you read My Secrete Garden, and Women on Top by Nancy Flower, this will give you insight into the deep often kept secrete of many womens sexual fantasises. I haven't read these properly yet, but I currently reading Men In Love about men's secret fantasises by the same author.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

MW,

Your anologies using "Gay" men is sickening and erroneous. By definition, people of the same gender canot have sex - you must have complements of two parts to make a whole. Homsexual men is the proper term to use when describing such freakish actions. "Gay" means 'cheerful and lighthearted" - they basterdized the name to make evil fair-seeming.

All your arguments are weak when you equate this abominable act with the sublime union between male/female. Your examples are not strenghening your stance, they are only making your statements null and void!

By your constant mentioning and references to homosexuals, you are trying to legitmize their existence. Is this because you are of their ilk? Keep it to yourself, and leave all your homo dribble for homo websites and not here!

 

[NewMan]

Originally by Puerto R L

The past is 99.99999999999999999% of your time on this earth, the present is too minute to calculate, and the future never happened...now why in the hell would I disregard a woman's past actions to determine our current and future situation?

The past is the only thing that matters...your past actions brought you where you are at today, and the past is the only indicator of what you will do in the future.

Just to say, "I've changed" means nothing!!! You are a fool to believe so. Quit using the word, 'insecure' - women get insecure not men!!


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You are mistaken.

The past is just a dream - the future is just an illusion - only the moment - right now matters.

I challenge you to find your past. To prove your past.

Becuase in reality - only the right now matters the most.

People live in the past or the future - and they do not enjoy the moment. You could die tomorrow - so enjoy today.


Of course you need to plan for the future, but you also need to live the today.


The problem is that your all so strung out on the past.

You think a woman is a Ho becuase she's slept with 6 guys?

It's ridiculous.

Sex is all over the place.

Guys come to web-sites like this one in order to get women.

Women want to find the one man.

If a guy is saving himself for marrage - and stands up for what he believes in, then I think that man deserves to get the virgin woman he wants.

But to call a woman a hoe because she's had sexual relations in the past is stupid.

If the woman has had a lot of men, then sure, she's definitely undesirable - but what's that number?

Sex is healthy and it's natural.

Most of the guys here who are calling women ho's for sleeping with other men obviously have some kind of issue if sex. Perhaps it's a control thing?

I don't know.

 

[bp1974]

PRL - calm down, dude. The word GAY really makes you froth at the mouth doesn't it.

MW - thanks for the book recommendations, they look interesting.

I think both men and women use casual sex for a lot of different things, in the same way people use alcohol, drugs, food etc. As a numbing, a making-up-for, a brief moment of pleasure and escape from reality. An orgasm is just that - a fix, a high, and a numbness that lasts a little while and then fades back into dull reality.

It's no coincidence that the rise in casual sex has been accompanied by a major rise in alcohol and tobacco use in young women. It's my belief that when people have truly grown up, done their experimentation, gotten to know themselves and reconciled their past and their baggage, they will not settle for meaningless sex because they value themselves too much.

Sex isn't some precious jewel, but it does have meaning, every single time. When someone has sex, it provokes feelings and thoughts about themself, about the other person, about the experience they've just had. There is no such thing as sex in a void, no matter how much we may try to make it that way. To say that women have casual sex purely for the physical pleasure it brings at that moment may be true, but is less than half the story. The rest of it will be buried in their feelings, their thoughts and in their past. Same for men.

 

[MysteryWoman]

Not promoting it, just givening an emotionally detached point of view. How would I describe myself well not exactly PRL ideal but not as wild as Kate Moss .

I can't understand that is PRL has not worked it out that I am absolutely not communicating with him and have no intention of ever doing so again.

 

[kinjo]

Re: thats why I dont ask

Originally posted by seulaxplaya
I get totally pissed if a girl has been with more guys than me. First it makes me seem inexperienced. Secondly if she has been with more guys thans I have girls I get the impression shes a slut. I dont like to know how many other guys have put game on her and scored. I dont ask. No need to know.

Not to brag or exaggerating this, but I was devilishly rakish and slept with almost 200 woman since I was 16 till about I'm 22 (like avg.3 times a week, u do the math). I am a recovering rake till now. However, my gf get the hint of my rakish past, and was quite upset. But I know my devilish past has seduced her to me somehow.

My question:
Anybody has a thought of what this "hint" will do to her towards me in the long run?

 

[dietzcoi]

200+ women? Three different ones a week?

What kind of a country is Indonesia? I though you were Muslims?

WTF?

This is just as bad as women having 30+ partners...

I do not know what women would think of you. I am personally disgusted...

It is good to be a DJ and it is good to retain your power as a man over women... but to just fcck everything that walks... you have no self esteem either.

I certainly would not want an LTR with any woman who gave it up to you so easily... this just reinforces my point about the whole issue.

Who on this board wants an LTR with one of Kinjo's rejects?? Don't all rush forward at once!

Dietzcoi

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Kinjo,

You are a male hor (200 women in 6 years) - if there is such a thing. Let me rephrase that, you are a -'hormonger'! You must have the sex drive of a monkey on crack! Did you contract any diseases? How much money they did cost you?

 

[( . )( . )]

isnt this topic moot?

Women's Sexual Past?

a non issue, no man will ever know a womans true sexual past anyway, so why worry?

 

[kinjo]

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
Kinjo,

You are a male hor (200 women in 6 years) - if there is such a thing. Let me rephrase that, you are a -'hormonger'! You must have the sex drive of a monkey on crack! Did you contract any diseases? How much money they did cost you?

You can't imagine how cheap things is in here. Yea, wild time in my teens. But I wouldnt advice you do to what I've done. It's true, its damaging to your self esteem, something I need to rebuild now. Being a sex maniac is not pretty too in the long run, it damage your LTR and your game somehow when you're at my age

 

[legolas]

Originally posted by ManOMan
From my experience the # of partners a woman has had reveals ALOT about her attitude towards casual sex.

That is, Some Women think sex is sacred, and should only be done with people they love & on the other end of the spectrum is women who think sex is fun! and will screw any guy that shows a hint of interest

Maybe Im wrong, but I think the more laid back and open women are about casual sex, the more likely she will put out to others while in a relationship to you

my logic is this: If a chick has no conscience about bangin many guys, chances are she has a lower conscience in remaining faithful

Call me what you will but I disgust promiscuous women. And let me rephrase your quote:

"The more laid back and open women are about srewing other guys, the lower is the respect she has for herself, let alone you."

She can talk all she want about sexual freedom, but on the core of it all is self-respect. I know this girl who'd been in a psychological and social prison most of her life. She was home-schooled. Well on the surface she looked al nice and proper, but inside was a wild beast ready to be released. My friend found out and he told me, but I don't think he cares all that much.

 

[DJMaC23]

What do you think I should do? Well, my girl has a past. Lost her virginity in November of our senior year HS, She supposedly was forced into having sex her first time and then had sex with a few other guys shortly after. Then we met in late Dec and talked (who knows how many other guys she was talkin to at the time too, but I was talkin to other chicks too, just not as serious as her) for monthes. I took her to my senior Prom in late April (she didn't go to my school) and lost my V to her on that night. We did not officially become exclusive until sometime in July. However, she was to go to Puerto Rico for school in August.

She went and then we were broken up. However, she neglected to inform me that we were broken up until late August/early September.

Now, in September a HB8 had the hots for me and initiated convo. We started talking and she was the person I would do PG-13 stuff with lol...1 night we started to have sex but there was not enough room so we stopped...damn Mustangs. Anyways, my girlfriend (whom I got back together with when she came back to MD in mid December) basically spills to me that she had sex with a guy down there at her school multiple times from October to almost December. Now I'm thinking, my God this ho...I'm so angry and frustrated, yet at the same time we were not going together at the time. I was also seeing t his other girl during that time period. I recently flew her up here to MD to spend 6 days at my house with me and my family for President's Day and Valentines weekend. She tells me that she knows shes in the wrong, and to do what I feel I have to do. I mean, I feel betrayed because when I had mentioned "last times we had sex" she had said July, so she had lied to me. I had wondered why she hadn't felt so tight like she did this time around. She tells me about alot of things, guys trying to hit on her, about how ashamed she is of what she did in the past, how God and me have made her realize she needed to change that about herself (shes Adventist and attends an Adventist university).

I told her so far, that I'm not really worried about her past cuz like she said she didn't respect herself and felt like ish with whatever she did...however I am focused on the present and that **** like that can't ****in happen cuz she knows i will drop her a$$ in a heartbeat if she were to cheat on me..hell i feel like droppin her right now even tho were weren't together at the time...at the same time shes great in every other aspect...I was the first guy she gave head to (this I know for a fact cuz it wasn't good at all the first time and she was mad awkward, or shes a grrreat actress)...

anyways, what are your guys thoughts on this?

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
The past is 99.99999999999999999% of your time on this earth, the present is too minute to calculate, and the future never happened...now why in the hell would I disregard a woman's past actions to determine our current and future situation?

The past is the only thing that matters...your past actions brought you where you are at today, and the past is the only indicator of what you will do in the future.

Just to say, "I've changed" means nothing!!! You are a fool to believe so. Quit using the word, 'insecure' - women get insecure not men!!

DJmac, I quote myself here because you obviously have an issue with her past sexual behavior (and lies) or else you wouldn't have posted your concern here on this thread.

This is my stand on this issue...it is up to you to decide on how you feel about her past conduct!

 

[AMF]

My new sig - PuertoRican_Lover...bringing prejudice, biggotry, and destructive ignorance to my fellow Don Juans in the SoSuave community, via hindsight, mental flaws, and faulty logic!

Especially for you PRL

 

[AMF]

My new sig -

PuertoRican_Lover...bringing prejudice, biggotry, and destructive ignorance to my fellow Don Juans in the SoSuave community, via hindsight, mental flaws, and faulty logic!

Especially for you PRL

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by NewMan
PR_L You are mistaken.

The past is just a dream - the future is just an illusion - only the moment - right now matters.

Most of the guys here who are calling women ho's for sleeping with other men obviously have some kind of issue if sex. Perhaps it's a control thing? I don't know.

Newman your description of the past is poetic, but meaningless.

You say "the past is just a dream". WAKE UP!! THE MATRIX HAS YOU!! You are living in a dream world!! Reality doesn't exist? Are you on crack? Put the pipe down brother - put the weed down...it is affecting your mental state and judgment!! Here is a little insight for you on the 'ho' situation...

"Ho", that is what I call them, and that is how they are. I call a thing for what it is! You don't have to subscribe to my words or thinking, but I'll tell you one thing, if you look at the 'success' of relationships and marriages today vs. the past, you'll see something has changed for the worst.

The thing that changed the most was the 'attitude' of women and their actions regarding how they value sex. It went from something meaningful and sacred and to be experienced with their husbands to just downright 'casual sex' with whomever and whenever.

This change in women's attitude of having 'casual' sex has changed how men treat and view women today. There is much more disrespect and disregard for the female persuasion today than at in other time in history. And as a result relationships have suffered and marriages are avoided and seen as a liability, amongst men
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The women of today are viewed mainly as sex objects and are treated as such, because that is what they have become. Women's sexual 'liberation' and sexual past has directly impacted men and how they view women as a future wife and mother.

Their sexual past is taken into consideration because it has set precedence on how the woman thinks and acts today. Now this sexually liberated mindset has gone further than just the bedroom, it has liberated women’s thinking with regards to their role in the male/female union.

Now they see themselves as so-called ‘equals’ among their male counterparts, and since they are ‘equals’ the man no longer has the ultimate power in the decision-making process over the household. This so-called‘equality’, actually creates stress and strife in the relationship and conflict is the result, when there is disagreement among the two and when there is no remedy to satisfy either party.

Since the man is no longer the final voice, he must now compete with his partner to rule what was once his domain. As the man being the natural aggressor and having dominating characteristics, he chooses to leave instead of being a supplicating fool in his own household!

So u see the 'hor mindset' goes beyond sex and the bedroom. See my post on page 1 of this thread for further clarification.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

AMF, This statement coming from you, an effeminate, is quite a compliment, it only tells me that I am on the mark. Thank you for the glory and recognition by putting me into your new sig.

And thanks for not contributing anything in your post, you have joined the ranks of Newman and Cyrano as the top effeminates who give the least insight on this forum! Congrats