Women LIE in order to maintain POWER

[joe henny]

I just tell these broads what they wanna "hear"

That's all you have to do....sell them the dream lol

Old lesson: Tell them whatever they need to hear to open their legs lol

 

[maqnetik]

Magnetique is right - "Having to lie to women because you are too afraid to be straight up is beyond cowardice" ..and it reeks of panic and desperation and the kind of despair that follows repeated failure.

But if that is what your 'game' has reduced you to doing to 'get some' then have at it I suppose.

exactly

and the definition of lying is simple: NOT TELLING THE TRUTH

anything different is basically b**** logic

:crazy:

 

[PokerStar]

"All I got in this world is my WORD and my BALLS. I dont break 'em for NOBODY" - Scarface

 

[bigjohnson]

and the definition of lying is simple: NOT TELLING THE TRUTH

Not true. To intentionally deceive is to lie. There are various methods of deception including telling untruths.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Yeah, fear is a huge problem, yet, it's rarely talked about. I mean people talk about how you shouldn't have a, "fear of loss" - but there's so many fears beyond that. Most men like feeling comfortable and will do anything to avoid discomfort (lie, let women talk to them however they want, do what they say, etc.) And then they wonder where the passion went...




Yeah, im not making judgment from a moral standpoint. In fact, i have horrible morals and would be dumb to pass judgment in that way... I've fvcked more taken women in my lifetime than i've fvcked single women. I've done some very HORRIBLE things to women...

My stance on not lying is purely strategic. Purely from leading and keeping the frame that i don't have to tell women sh!t that i don't want to.

And likewise on the "this is how you have a discussion" part. This board is full of so many flame wars these days - instead of real discussions - that i don't know how a "noob" can ever learn anything....


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Are you more into One night stands, fvck buddies, or long term relationships? One night stands - lying isn't a thing. Fvck buddies - you can get away with almost as easy. But for long term relationships - people are going to have serious problems if it's built on lies. Especially if they want to continue to be players behind their woman's back.

Again, this is not a judgment call (in the moral sense) - it's just unnecessary and too much extra work (keeping up with the lies).

Like you say in your video - women learn how to manipulate early on. Many men never learn how to do that at all. Going up against a professional manipulator (woman) with your own manipulation - is not a winnable game. Women are a lot better at that sh!t than most men are or ever will be.

And what are women lying to you specifically about? The only example you gave in your video was your client saying she didn't have an online dating profile.

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I agree.

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Yes, just smiling but not on some goofy smile like something is funny (which is what you are probably thinking). Instead, smiling like, "do you really think I am going to answer that? fvck you for even thinking i was going to."

It's not as hard as it sounds.

My whole point is that any question that a woman may ask me that i would feel the need to lie about - can be dealt with in other ways besides giving an answer. In fact, a question that is worth lying to is normally a double bind question (a question that will damage attraction n matter how you answer). If i AM going to lie it's going to be so outrageous that she will know it.

Woman: Did you sleep with her?
Me: Nope.... But i slept with her, her, her, her, her and.... all 3 of them (pointing to different women in the bar).

I just told her "fvck you" without saying it.




Is there a difference between saying "no" and not answering the question?

Yes, saying "no" to that question is the absolute worst way you can answer that question. Lie or not.

Even if you're being truthful by saying "no" - lying and saying "yes, i am messing around with other women" is a million times better! (not as good as not answering the question at all though)

Do you really want to tell a woman you're not dating that you have no other romantic interests?

That's what im trying to get at here! Everyone is focused on lying vs. not lying. TO me questions like these are the ones guys lie about:

- Are you sleeping with other women?
- Did you sleep with her?
- Do you love me?
- Do you see yourself with me in the future?
- Was she better than me in bed?
- Are we girlfriend and boyfriend?
- Are you still going out and partying?
- Do these jeans make my butt look big?
- etc. etc. etc.

And all of those types of questions are horrible questions to answer in a serious manner either way! Double binds!

I do agree with you about not lying in long term relationships.

I stick with ONS and booty calls. I'm quite happy with that arrangement.

As for women lying to me, I've caught them red handed. One woman canceled on me, told me she was sick. Then I talked to her later and she told me she went out for her friends.

She was on stupid side, so it was easy to catch her. Most women are more cunning.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

That's all you have to do....sell them the dream lol

Old lesson: Tell them whatever they need to hear to open their legs lol

Now that's some truth Joe!

 

[maqnetik]

"All I got in this world is my WORD and my BALLS. I dont break 'em for NOBODY" - Scarface

exactly

and how is acting like a woman at her worst being a man at his best?

makes NO sense

:crackup:

 

[TIC]

This just blows my mind. Some of you guys think it's perfectly fine to lie to women just because they lie to you? WTF is that! A real man does not lie, whether it's with women or your golden retriever. Tell the fVckin truth fellas. If somebody can't handle the truth, so be it. At least you have maintained your dignity and not lowered yourself to the level of others who are not worth your time to begin with.

Can I ask why I should play by the rules when women do not?

Newsflash: honor and dignity is no longer rewarded in todays society. It does not pay to be a good person, it does not pay to tell the truth. Take a look at some of the most successful CEO's and politicians in the world...make no mistake about it, they didn't get there by telling the truth and playing by the rules

Same thing in sports. There's that saying: "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying". Bill Belichick may have spied on opposing teams, but he got the Pats super bowl rings and that's all that matters in the end

In the dating game, same thing. All that matters is getting what you want. These women are cold, superficial, and spiteful. You'll be hard-pressed to find a girl that gives more than a hill of beans about you or your problems, or how honest you may be.

The guys getting laid are lying, cheating, and abusing women. Its reality and you have to adapt to what works

 

[maqnetik]

lying implies GUILT and SHAME. why would you have to lie if youre not doing anything wrong? lying also means youre AFRAID of the other person and WEAK-- inside and out.



peoples ACTIONS tell on them even when their WORDS dont-- lying is sending a CLEAR MESSAGE on a subconscious level: "im wrong and weak and i know it deep down which is why im acting like a b****"

:nono:

 

[5string]

Can I ask why I should play by the rules when women do not?

Newsflash: honor and dignity is no longer rewarded in todays society. It does not pay to be a good person, it does not pay to tell the truth. Take a look at some of the most successful CEO's and politicians in the world...make no mistake about it, they didn't get there by telling the truth and playing by the rules

Same thing in sports. There's that saying: "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying". Bill Belichick may have spied on opposing teams, but he got the Pats super bowl rings and that's all that matters in the end

In the dating game, same thing. All that matters is getting what you want. These women are cold, superficial, and spiteful. You'll be hard-pressed to find a girl that gives more than a hill of beans about you or your problems, or how honest you may be.

The guys getting laid are lying, cheating, and abusing women. Its reality and you have to adapt to what works

Why? Are you not better than those who lie? Hold yer fvckin head up and be truthful. Just because someone else does it, you use that for self justification for the exact same behavior? It's just like "well, if I don't bang the married chick, some other guy will". You know it's wrong.

 

[Kailex]

I'll make my own childish analogy. Yes, I know it's not the best analogy and yes I know its based upon my own personal fantasy world, but here it goes:

If women lie in order to maintain power... if I lie to maintain power and frame... does that not make me a woman???

Again, not a perfect analogy and it might be ripped apart and shred to pieces. But I am not here to discredit the OP in any way or form. If it works for him, more power to him, but I do NOT have to share his view. That's not to say that I don't see WHY people would choose to lie or "conceal the truth".

I, personally, gave up on doing it that way.
I'm above the game now. If anyone needs to lie to maintain power, then that's a toxic relationship for me and one I don't need. I've been around in the dating game to know when women are lying and when inconsistencies abound. I simply have decided to not put up with it.

Everyone lies.
But we all lie for different purposes and to different people for different reasons. I just choose to not lie to women because I'm not interested in playing that game in order for sex. Does that make a person who chooses to lie, a worse person than me? Of course not. We all play the game differently.

Take basketball (I love basketball analogies). It's ONE game, played throughout the world differently (NBA vs FIBA). The NBA has 300+ players. All 300+ play the game in their own way. What makes one way more right than the other? It all adds up to the overall beauty of the game. Some score more, some pass more, some are more defensive, but the end result is always the same: To win.

If you go through your life lying to maintain frame and it WORKS, why should I tell you to do it any differently? It's your style, your way of things. But by the same degree, no one can come and tell me that NOT lying isn't a way to do it. It's my way and it's how I choose to do it. The second I am caught up in a lie, I find that the tendency to cover myself up... is to lie some more. I'd rather be honest from the get-go and if that's not good enough for someone in order to spread their legs, then they are not good enough for me.

 

[IOS]

This was one of TheAsianLover's descriptions for one of his videos:

Lying to women is essential. Women have no problems infringing on your free will by lying to you to achieve her agenda, just like a con man has no problem lying to you to get your hard earn money. Self defense is a right.

Sounds like AFC p*ssy mentality to me.

 

[5string]

For the record, I'm with Kailex. Other guys can interact with women any way they choose. It's their business, not mine. I am "above the game" as well. I just figure that if someone can't handle the truth, fine. If someone lies to me, they are not worth my time. Have I lied? Of course I have. I just chose not to do it any longer. And think about this....does it not make sense that you will gain more respect from others if you choose not to lie? To each his own.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Can I ask why I should play by the rules when women do not?

Newsflash: honor and dignity is no longer rewarded in todays society. It does not pay to be a good person, it does not pay to tell the truth. Take a look at some of the most successful CEO's and politicians in the world...make no mistake about it, they didn't get there by telling the truth and playing by the rules

Same thing in sports. There's that saying: "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying". Bill Belichick may have spied on opposing teams, but he got the Pats super bowl rings and that's all that matters in the end

In the dating game, same thing. All that matters is getting what you want. These women are cold, superficial, and spiteful. You'll be hard-pressed to find a girl that gives more than a hill of beans about you or your problems, or how honest you may be.

The guys getting laid are lying, cheating, and abusing women. Its reality and you have to adapt to what works

Exactly.

These captain save a ho chumps still cling to this notion of what a man is supposed to be.

It would be nice if we could play fair and nice with women, but the guys that do get used and abused.

In other words, they are fools.

 

[loveshogun]

Someone remind me what kind of power women are achieving by lying? I read this entire thread and I'm not really seeing what the issue is.

It kind of turned into an argument about the merits of lying to get laid, which admittedly can be effective regardless of its morality, whatever that might mean. It's not a go-to of mine because I just don't like lying.

But as for women lying to get power, what power are they getting? When have any of you given any kind of power to a woman because of something she said? Are guys just giving them money and sh*t for nothing? What's going on here?

If that's the case, this is why I always say that if we were deaf, we'd see all women, good, bad or sideways, for whom they are - because we'd only pay attention to their actions, instead of what we want to hear.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Someone remind me what kind of power women are achieving by lying? I read this entire thread and I'm not really seeing what the issue is.

It kind of turned into an argument about the merits of lying to get laid, which admittedly can be effective regardless of its morality, whatever that might mean. It's not a go-to of mine because I just don't like lying.

But as for women lying to get power, what power are they getting? When have any of you given any kind of power to a woman because of something she said? Are guys just giving them money and sh*t for nothing? What's going on here?

If that's the case, this is why I always say that if we were deaf, we'd see all women, good, bad or sideways, for whom they are - because we'd only pay attention to their actions, instead of what we want to hear.

Women are physically far weaker than men, so they use manipulation to control men.

What kind of power do they get? A man to provide for her. A man to protect her. A man to do her bidding.

Women are very good at this. Take a look at most married couples.

 

[loveshogun]

Women are physically far weaker than men, so they use manipulation to control men.

What kind of power do they get? A man to provide for her. A man to protect her. A man to do her bidding.

Women are very good at this. Take a look at most married couples.

No disrespect, AsianLover - I'm an asian myself (Love Shogun) - but I still don't see how the women lying gets them power, unless the guy they're lying to is just forcing himself to ignore it.

Every relationship that I've ever seen where the woman was lying, it was obvious. Most of the time, she wasn't even trying.

Same the other way around. Every relationship I've ever seen where the man was lying, the woman was an idiot.

I always figured that only an AFC would do dirty work for a lying woman, but maybe I'm just old, harsh, and unsympathetic.

Is there anyone here who has been screwed by a lying woman? And if you were, can you really say that you didn't suspect, or that the signs weren't there, or that you did everything perfectly?

Once again, still not seeing how a woman lying directly gets her power over anything. Maybe it's happening to me and I don't know about it.

Not likely.

 

[maqnetik]

No disrespect, AsianLover - I'm an asian myself (Love Shogun) - but I still don't see how the women lying gets them power, unless the guy they're lying to is just forcing himself to ignore it.

Every relationship that I've ever seen where the woman was lying, it was obvious. Most of the time, she wasn't even trying.

Same the other way around. Every relationship I've ever seen where the man was lying, the woman was an idiot.

I always figured that only an AFC would do dirty work for a lying woman, but maybe I'm just old, harsh, and unsympathetic.

Is there anyone here who has been screwed by a lying woman? And if you were, can you really say that you didn't suspect, or that the signs weren't there, or that you did everything perfectly?

Once again, still not seeing how a woman lying directly gets her power over anything. Maybe it's happening to me and I don't know about it.

Not likely.

thats game player

:wave:

 

[xdreamz]

when women talk...sometimes i don't understand what the **** is going on. they have their view of the world as do we, which are both completely different. the only thing that we share is the world... that's why we're on this forum, we want to know what works with women.

we lie because we want to keep secrets. we don't want others to know too much about what our interests are...if you look around, a truly honest person is hard to find. so we should be as honest as we can. being honest does not mean sharing secrets, it just means being true to who we are.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

No disrespect, AsianLover - I'm an asian myself (Love Shogun) - but I still don't see how the women lying gets them power, unless the guy they're lying to is just forcing himself to ignore it.

Every relationship that I've ever seen where the woman was lying, it was obvious. Most of the time, she wasn't even trying.

Same the other way around. Every relationship I've ever seen where the man was lying, the woman was an idiot.

I always figured that only an AFC would do dirty work for a lying woman, but maybe I'm just old, harsh, and unsympathetic.

Is there anyone here who has been screwed by a lying woman? And if you were, can you really say that you didn't suspect, or that the signs weren't there, or that you did everything perfectly?

Once again, still not seeing how a woman lying directly gets her power over anything. Maybe it's happening to me and I don't know about it.

Not likely.

Now we have to define the meaning of power.

What is your definition of power?