Women find mature men repellent

[ThisIsSparta]

Hi guys! This is something to discuss with mature men!


There is a common consensus that women are attracted to wild, dominant men. Those they perceive as "slippery conquerors".
Their goal often seems to be to "tame" these men and make them fall in love, thereby securing their commitment.
Infact, relationships tend to thrive only when the man is caught, in love, but not overly invested.

As we member of the sosuave forum, and other men, dedicated to solving our fallacies and pursuing self-improvement, we work to "solve" our impulsiveness, aggressiveness, and other malicious traits so that we become more stable and wise. Interestingly, women may be biologically drawn to men with more "wild" characteristics because it allows them to express their love through the act of "taming" or "controlling" them. Consequently, women may prefer unstable men, as this provides them with a challenge and an opportunity to feel love through their efforts to stabilize him. For instance, a relationship where the man is impulsive, aggressive, childish and forgetful sometimes, while the woman is nurturing, caring and organized, can create a dynamic where she feels needed and can bring "love."

As we work on self-improvement and become more complete and stable individuals, we may inadvertently become less attractive to women. This is because we no longer possess those "broken" traits that women feel compelled to fix. This leads to an intriguing observation: long-lasting relationships often seem to function better when there is an unstable male paired with a woman who seeks to stabilize him. It appears that many women are drawn to men with imperfections, as it allows them to feel a sense of purpose in their relationship.

Ultimately, it seems that some women desire something "broken" that they can fix. For a long-lasting relationship, a man may feel pressured to maintain certain flaws so that his partner can have the "privilege" of adjusting him. This dynamic can create an illusion of control for the woman and contribute to the longevity of the relationship. I hope I am mistaken in this perspective. I would appreciate hearing different viewpoints from those who live this reality but see it differently. Is there truly a version of the "mature man" who is not seen as someone needing fixing? Can a woman genuinely love a complete man without wanting to change or "tame" him?

A broken man that a woman can fix is also the first and most common fantasy in erotic and romance novels.
Is something they crave for, and if they happen to "catch" one and make the father of their child, look like they can be in "love".

I was such a nice, compliant, stable gentleman once.
A real white knight and got fvcked over and over again, not in the good way.

An important part of my maturing involved learning how to lose my shyt over a woman when necessary.

A lot of women i met really beg to be put in place and will only be happy if her man can do this.

Women love to be with a monster they think THEY can tame.

Be the "tamed" monster or be the beta provider.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Nice relating clip:

 

[jhonny9546]

A lot of women i met really beg to be put in place and will only be happy if her man can do this.

I'm curious to know how you would react in those cases and how do you tell she is "begging" you to be put her in place

 

[ThisIsSparta]

I'm curious to know how you would react in those cases and how do you tell she is "begging" you to be put her in place

I respond in an aggressive way(non physical,not shouting, just putting an angry face on and changing tone ) to whatever i find annoying(acusations or demands for example).

She usualy backs down quickly and is very friendly afterwards. The "begging" is therefore indicated by her positive response to you putting her in her place.

To women responding "well" to this, i experienced that bantering over trivial things is a valuable tool to keep them on their toes, even in long term relationships.

If she doesnt back down, she faces consequences. Meaning i ignore her and or leave and of course not comply.

The other way around, is being compliant to her demands and see how she is getting more aggressive over time, losing respect and demanding more.

This is why a womans respect is a lot more important then love. It will make your life so much easier when she knows she isnt getting away with acting up.

Of course, some Karens will never be compliant, will not stop nagging at you and walk away if you dont submit. Thats okay, these are not women i need in my life, however hot they think they are.

 

[Plinco]

I loferlll


My mission since I've been back is to promote being an assh0le.

I have a thread where my girl sexted another dude, yet I still promote being an assh0le

I'm old. I've been on sosuave for a long time.

I learned what women like. Men that are in charge. And men that take charge are usually assh0les.

You can cry about it.

I'm more of a d!ck than an a$$hole. What do you think about that?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

We are focusing on the romance novel thing, which is something that it's only an element of the all.

The fact is, you can see this in real life, so no need to think as the RN examples.
The real fact is that a "mature man" make women so insecure they reject him.
Now, if this is related to 1% or 99% of woman I can't say it for sure.

You should date higher quality women because this doesn't happen with them in many cases

 

[jhonny9546]

I respond in an aggressive way(non physical,not shouting, just putting an angry face on and changing tone ) to whatever i find annoying(acusations or demands for example).

She usualy backs down quickly and is very friendly afterwards. The "begging" is therefore indicated by her positive response to you putting her in her place.

To women responding "well" to this, i experienced that bantering over trivial things is a valuable tool to keep them on their toes, even in long term relationships.

If she doesnt back down, she faces consequences. Meaning i ignore her and or leave and of course not comply.

The other way around, is being compliant to her demands and see how she is getting more aggressive over time, losing respect and demanding more.

This is why a womans respect is a lot more important then love. It will make your life so much easier when she knows she isnt getting away with acting up.

Of course, some Karens will never be compliant, will not stop nagging at you and walk away if you dont submit. Thats okay, these are not women i need in my life, however hot they think they are.

This is a very good behaviour to have!
How could you not "raise your voice" when replying firmly, angry and changing tone too?

Btw, in this case, you're reactive to her, and you're looking to appear "superior" because of the fact you're making statements to her bad behaviour

You should date higher quality women because this doesn't happen with them in many cases

women don't have a "high quality" bandanna on their heads, so you must know em before giving judgment.
In this case, eventually, very often really, you will met with "low quality" ones

 

[Swagman]

Honestly I think there's something to the original post. You don't have to become a complete prick but women do respond very well to spontaneity and unpredictability. I would wager a lot of the RP self improvement crowd are boring AF in real life, yes you should aim to improve your life and work on things you love doing but really, seduction doesn't need to be so damn serious. It's all fun and games.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Honestly I think there's something to the original post. You don't have to become a complete prick but women do respond very well to spontaneity and unpredictability. I would wager a lot of the RP self improvement crowd are boring AF in real life, yes you should aim to improve your life and work on things you love doing but really, seduction doesn't need to be so damn serious. It's all fun and games.

I remember there was a period where I just on quite a run of success and felt unstoppable and confident to the point I would say anything I felt like because I just believe it would work out in the end anyways...

There was this one woman who I could tell was a closet freak by the way she acted and it got to the end of the night and she asked if I wanted to come back and hang out at her place for a bit. I said sure, that sounded good.

And then she goes: "Well, we probably aren't having sex tonight, so I just wanted you to know ahead of time in case you got your hopes up."

And I said "I'm pretty sure I will be fvcking you in the ass within an hour and a half."

With a dead ass serious look on my face. And she looked kinda stunned at first and didn't know what to say and I just kept looking at her with the same look and gave her a smirk finally and she was like "I'm not sure if I like you enough for that to happen."

And I pulled her closer and whispered in her ear "you knew within the first 10 minutes of meeting me that's what you wanted to happen." And then I nibbled her earlobe a bit as I pulled away.

And she just said "We'll see."

And just as I predicted within the hour I was indeed fvcking her in the ass and she told me afterwards how hot she thought that was that I had the balls to say that to her.

Morale of the story?

Women are fvcking crazy sometimes.

 

[jhonny9546]

And I said "I'm pretty sure I will be fvcking you in the ass within an hour and a half."

With a dead ass serious look on my face. And she looked kinda stunned at first and didn't know what to say and I just kept looking at her with the same look and gave her a smirk finally and she was like "I'm not sure if I like you enough for that to happen."

I'm not in the condition to say this with "a dead ass serious look on my face" but I would have been able to whisper this in her ear in a more playful way, and then look at her with a smile or a perv look.
Would you have said that to a woman you thought you might consider for a LTR?

Here’s a corrected version of your text with improved grammar and clarity:

This essentially boils down to expressing things confidently and convincing yourself that she will accept it, even if she denies it for a while or smiles. It’s like telling a child, “Hey, I bet you can’t score a goal in that goalpost,” while you pick them up and hug them playfully or tickle them.

You convince yourself with what you say, and this approach works with women because it establishes the frame.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

I'm not in the condition to say this with "a dead ass serious look on my face" but I would have been able to whisper this in her ear in a more playful way, and then look at her with a smile or a perv look.
Would you have said that to a woman you thought you might consider for a LTR?

Here’s a corrected version of your text with improved grammar and clarity:

This essentially boils down to expressing things confidently and convincing yourself that she will accept it, even if she denies it for a while or smiles. It’s like telling a child, “Hey, I bet you can’t score a goal in that goalpost,” while you pick them up and hug them playfully or tickle them.

You convince yourself with what you say, and this approach works with women because it establishes the frame.

If you dont ask, 2 in 50 women might ask you if you fvck their ass.

If you ask nice, 10 in 50 women might let you fvck their ass.

If you tell them dead serious you gonna fvck their ass, 40 in 50 will let you fvck their ass.
(Dont smile, dont whisper, it doesnt work half as well)


The numbers depend on the value the women in question see in you and your capability to walk away from non compliant women.

Especially if you consider a woman for LTR you want to test her compliance. If she doesnt submit, next her.

Of course assfvcking is just an example and you can test her compliance with anything you deem fit.

 

[New_Journey]

long-lasting relationships often seem to function better when there is an unstable male paired with a woman who seeks to stabilize him

In other words, those women are codependent and look for for broken men to fix them, like taking on a project, because that gives those women some meaning in their pathetic life, instead of creating their own. Good riddance.

Let them find themselves, mature men with their $hit together need codependent women to be with us.

 

[The_Sea_Wolf]

Hi guys! This is something to discuss with mature men!


There is a common consensus that women are attracted to wild, dominant men. Those they perceive as "slippery conquerors".
Their goal often seems to be to "tame" these men and make them fall in love, thereby securing their commitment.
Infact, relationships tend to thrive only when the man is caught, in love, but not overly invested.

As we member of the sosuave forum, and other men, dedicated to solving our fallacies and pursuing self-improvement, we work to "solve" our impulsiveness, aggressiveness, and other malicious traits so that we become more stable and wise. Interestingly, women may be biologically drawn to men with more "wild" characteristics because it allows them to express their love through the act of "taming" or "controlling" them. Consequently, women may prefer unstable men, as this provides them with a challenge and an opportunity to feel love through their efforts to stabilize him. For instance, a relationship where the man is impulsive, aggressive, childish and forgetful sometimes, while the woman is nurturing, caring and organized, can create a dynamic where she feels needed and can bring "love."

As we work on self-improvement and become more complete and stable individuals, we may inadvertently become less attractive to women. This is because we no longer possess those "broken" traits that women feel compelled to fix. This leads to an intriguing observation: long-lasting relationships often seem to function better when there is an unstable male paired with a woman who seeks to stabilize him. It appears that many women are drawn to men with imperfections, as it allows them to feel a sense of purpose in their relationship.

Ultimately, it seems that some women desire something "broken" that they can fix. For a long-lasting relationship, a man may feel pressured to maintain certain flaws so that his partner can have the "privilege" of adjusting him. This dynamic can create an illusion of control for the woman and contribute to the longevity of the relationship. I hope I am mistaken in this perspective. I would appreciate hearing different viewpoints from those who live this reality but see it differently. Is there truly a version of the "mature man" who is not seen as someone needing fixing? Can a woman genuinely love a complete man without wanting to change or "tame" him?

A broken man that a woman can fix is also the first and most common fantasy in erotic and romance novels.
Is something they crave for, and if they happen to "catch" one and make the father of their child, look like they can be in "love".

The secret is creating the flaws in yourself accidentally on purpose, myself I am unabashedly a rake, I love women, I adore them, it drives a woman crazy when she cannot have me for herself.

You can fix yourself and still be the bad boy.

Life is a process of reinventing yourself time and time again as you evolve.