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Hi guys! This is something to discuss with mature men!


There is a common consensus that women are attracted to wild, dominant men. Those they perceive as "slippery conquerors".
Their goal often seems to be to "tame" these men and make them fall in love, thereby securing their commitment.
Infact, relationships tend to thrive only when the man is caught, in love, but not overly invested.

As we member of the sosuave forum, and other men, dedicated to solving our fallacies and pursuing self-improvement, we work to "solve" our impulsiveness, aggressiveness, and other malicious traits so that we become more stable and wise. Interestingly, women may be biologically drawn to men with more "wild" characteristics because it allows them to express their love through the act of "taming" or "controlling" them. Consequently, women may prefer unstable men, as this provides them with a challenge and an opportunity to feel love through their efforts to stabilize him. For instance, a relationship where the man is impulsive, aggressive, childish and forgetful sometimes, while the woman is nurturing, caring and organized, can create a dynamic where she feels needed and can bring "love."

As we work on self-improvement and become more complete and stable individuals, we may inadvertently become less attractive to women. This is because we no longer possess those "broken" traits that women feel compelled to fix. This leads to an intriguing observation: long-lasting relationships often seem to function better when there is an unstable male paired with a woman who seeks to stabilize him. It appears that many women are drawn to men with imperfections, as it allows them to feel a sense of purpose in their relationship.

Ultimately, it seems that some women desire something "broken" that they can fix. For a long-lasting relationship, a man may feel pressured to maintain certain flaws so that his partner can have the "privilege" of adjusting him. This dynamic can create an illusion of control for the woman and contribute to the longevity of the relationship. I hope I am mistaken in this perspective. I would appreciate hearing different viewpoints from those who live this reality but see it differently. Is there truly a version of the "mature man" who is not seen as someone needing fixing? Can a woman genuinely love a complete man without wanting to change or "tame" him?

A broken man that a woman can fix is also the first and most common fantasy in erotic and romance novels.
Is something they crave for, and if they happen to "catch" one and make the father of their child, look like they can be in "love".
I was such a nice, compliant, stable gentleman once.
A real white knight and got fvcked over and over again, not in the good way.

An important part of my maturing involved learning how to lose my shyt over a woman when necessary.

A lot of women i met really beg to be put in place and will only be happy if her man can do this.

Women love to be with a monster they think THEY can tame.

Be the "tamed" monster or be the beta provider.
 

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A lot of women i met really beg to be put in place and will only be happy if her man can do this.
I'm curious to know how you would react in those cases and how do you tell she is "begging" you to be put her in place
 

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I'm curious to know how you would react in those cases and how do you tell she is "begging" you to be put her in place
I respond in an aggressive way(non physical,not shouting, just putting an angry face on and changing tone ) to whatever i find annoying(acusations or demands for example).

She usualy backs down quickly and is very friendly afterwards. The "begging" is therefore indicated by her positive response to you putting her in her place.

To women responding "well" to this, i experienced that bantering over trivial things is a valuable tool to keep them on their toes, even in long term relationships.

If she doesnt back down, she faces consequences. Meaning i ignore her and or leave and of course not comply.

The other way around, is being compliant to her demands and see how she is getting more aggressive over time, losing respect and demanding more.

This is why a womans respect is a lot more important then love. It will make your life so much easier when she knows she isnt getting away with acting up.

Of course, some Karens will never be compliant, will not stop nagging at you and walk away if you dont submit. Thats okay, these are not women i need in my life, however hot they think they are.
 
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I loferlll


My mission since I've been back is to promote being an assh0le.

I have a thread where my girl sexted another dude, yet I still promote being an assh0le

I'm old. I've been on sosuave for a long time.

I learned what women like. Men that are in charge. And men that take charge are usually assh0les.

You can cry about it.
I'm more of a d!ck than an a$$hole. What do you think about that?
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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We are focusing on the romance novel thing, which is something that it's only an element of the all.

The fact is, you can see this in real life, so no need to think as the RN examples.
The real fact is that a "mature man" make women so insecure they reject him.
Now, if this is related to 1% or 99% of woman I can't say it for sure.
You should date higher quality women because this doesn't happen with them in many cases
 

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I respond in an aggressive way(non physical,not shouting, just putting an angry face on and changing tone ) to whatever i find annoying(acusations or demands for example).

She usualy backs down quickly and is very friendly afterwards. The "begging" is therefore indicated by her positive response to you putting her in her place.

To women responding "well" to this, i experienced that bantering over trivial things is a valuable tool to keep them on their toes, even in long term relationships.

If she doesnt back down, she faces consequences. Meaning i ignore her and or leave and of course not comply.

The other way around, is being compliant to her demands and see how she is getting more aggressive over time, losing respect and demanding more.

This is why a womans respect is a lot more important then love. It will make your life so much easier when she knows she isnt getting away with acting up.

Of course, some Karens will never be compliant, will not stop nagging at you and walk away if you dont submit. Thats okay, these are not women i need in my life, however hot they think they are.
This is a very good behaviour to have!
How could you not "raise your voice" when replying firmly, angry and changing tone too?

Btw, in this case, you're reactive to her, and you're looking to appear "superior" because of the fact you're making statements to her bad behaviour
You should date higher quality women because this doesn't happen with them in many cases
women don't have a "high quality" bandanna on their heads, so you must know em before giving judgment.
In this case, eventually, very often really, you will met with "low quality" ones
 

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Honestly I think there's something to the original post. You don't have to become a complete prick but women do respond very well to spontaneity and unpredictability. I would wager a lot of the RP self improvement crowd are boring AF in real life, yes you should aim to improve your life and work on things you love doing but really, seduction doesn't need to be so damn serious. It's all fun and games.
 

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Honestly I think there's something to the original post. You don't have to become a complete prick but women do respond very well to spontaneity and unpredictability. I would wager a lot of the RP self improvement crowd are boring AF in real life, yes you should aim to improve your life and work on things you love doing but really, seduction doesn't need to be so damn serious. It's all fun and games.
I remember there was a period where I just on quite a run of success and felt unstoppable and confident to the point I would say anything I felt like because I just believe it would work out in the end anyways...

There was this one woman who I could tell was a closet freak by the way she acted and it got to the end of the night and she asked if I wanted to come back and hang out at her place for a bit. I said sure, that sounded good.

And then she goes: "Well, we probably aren't having sex tonight, so I just wanted you to know ahead of time in case you got your hopes up."

And I said "I'm pretty sure I will be fvcking you in the ass within an hour and a half."

With a dead ass serious look on my face. And she looked kinda stunned at first and didn't know what to say and I just kept looking at her with the same look and gave her a smirk finally and she was like "I'm not sure if I like you enough for that to happen."

And I pulled her closer and whispered in her ear "you knew within the first 10 minutes of meeting me that's what you wanted to happen." And then I nibbled her earlobe a bit as I pulled away.

And she just said "We'll see."

And just as I predicted within the hour I was indeed fvcking her in the ass and she told me afterwards how hot she thought that was that I had the balls to say that to her.

Morale of the story?

Women are fvcking crazy sometimes. :lol:
 

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And I said "I'm pretty sure I will be fvcking you in the ass within an hour and a half."

With a dead ass serious look on my face. And she looked kinda stunned at first and didn't know what to say and I just kept looking at her with the same look and gave her a smirk finally and she was like "I'm not sure if I like you enough for that to happen."
I'm not in the condition to say this with "a dead ass serious look on my face" but I would have been able to whisper this in her ear in a more playful way, and then look at her with a smile or a perv look.
Would you have said that to a woman you thought you might consider for a LTR?

Here’s a corrected version of your text with improved grammar and clarity:

This essentially boils down to expressing things confidently and convincing yourself that she will accept it, even if she denies it for a while or smiles. It’s like telling a child, “Hey, I bet you can’t score a goal in that goalpost,” while you pick them up and hug them playfully or tickle them.

You convince yourself with what you say, and this approach works with women because it establishes the frame.
 
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I'm not in the condition to say this with "a dead ass serious look on my face" but I would have been able to whisper this in her ear in a more playful way, and then look at her with a smile or a perv look.
Would you have said that to a woman you thought you might consider for a LTR?

Here’s a corrected version of your text with improved grammar and clarity:

This essentially boils down to expressing things confidently and convincing yourself that she will accept it, even if she denies it for a while or smiles. It’s like telling a child, “Hey, I bet you can’t score a goal in that goalpost,” while you pick them up and hug them playfully or tickle them.

You convince yourself with what you say, and this approach works with women because it establishes the frame.
If you dont ask, 2 in 50 women might ask you if you fvck their ass.

If you ask nice, 10 in 50 women might let you fvck their ass.

If you tell them dead serious you gonna fvck their ass, 40 in 50 will let you fvck their ass.
(Dont smile, dont whisper, it doesnt work half as well)


The numbers depend on the value the women in question see in you and your capability to walk away from non compliant women.

Especially if you consider a woman for LTR you want to test her compliance. If she doesnt submit, next her.

Of course assfvcking is just an example and you can test her compliance with anything you deem fit.
 

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long-lasting relationships often seem to function better when there is an unstable male paired with a woman who seeks to stabilize him
In other words, those women are codependent and look for for broken men to fix them, like taking on a project, because that gives those women some meaning in their pathetic life, instead of creating their own. Good riddance.

Let them find themselves, mature men with their $hit together need codependent women to be with us.
 

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Hi guys! This is something to discuss with mature men!


There is a common consensus that women are attracted to wild, dominant men. Those they perceive as "slippery conquerors".
Their goal often seems to be to "tame" these men and make them fall in love, thereby securing their commitment.
Infact, relationships tend to thrive only when the man is caught, in love, but not overly invested.

As we member of the sosuave forum, and other men, dedicated to solving our fallacies and pursuing self-improvement, we work to "solve" our impulsiveness, aggressiveness, and other malicious traits so that we become more stable and wise. Interestingly, women may be biologically drawn to men with more "wild" characteristics because it allows them to express their love through the act of "taming" or "controlling" them. Consequently, women may prefer unstable men, as this provides them with a challenge and an opportunity to feel love through their efforts to stabilize him. For instance, a relationship where the man is impulsive, aggressive, childish and forgetful sometimes, while the woman is nurturing, caring and organized, can create a dynamic where she feels needed and can bring "love."

As we work on self-improvement and become more complete and stable individuals, we may inadvertently become less attractive to women. This is because we no longer possess those "broken" traits that women feel compelled to fix. This leads to an intriguing observation: long-lasting relationships often seem to function better when there is an unstable male paired with a woman who seeks to stabilize him. It appears that many women are drawn to men with imperfections, as it allows them to feel a sense of purpose in their relationship.

Ultimately, it seems that some women desire something "broken" that they can fix. For a long-lasting relationship, a man may feel pressured to maintain certain flaws so that his partner can have the "privilege" of adjusting him. This dynamic can create an illusion of control for the woman and contribute to the longevity of the relationship. I hope I am mistaken in this perspective. I would appreciate hearing different viewpoints from those who live this reality but see it differently. Is there truly a version of the "mature man" who is not seen as someone needing fixing? Can a woman genuinely love a complete man without wanting to change or "tame" him?

A broken man that a woman can fix is also the first and most common fantasy in erotic and romance novels.
Is something they crave for, and if they happen to "catch" one and make the father of their child, look like they can be in "love".
The secret is creating the flaws in yourself accidentally on purpose, myself I am unabashedly a rake, I love women, I adore them, it drives a woman crazy when she cannot have me for herself.

You can fix yourself and still be the bad boy.

Life is a process of reinventing yourself time and time again as you evolve.
 

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The secret is creating the flaws in yourself accidentally on purpose
You're suggesting that if you find out your GF is a very good cooker, and want to always cook for you, but you also like to cook for yourself, sometimes you can leave that to her and reward if she does it well.
Now replace "cooking" with something else
 

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You're suggesting that if you find out your GF is a very good cooker, and want to always cook for you, but you also like to cook for yourself, sometimes you can leave that to her and reward if she does it well.
Now replace "cooking" with something else
I think that is over simplified, because the way to make a woman fall madly in love with you is to get her to do things for you, when you can make a woman put in effort time and time again, she develops a strong attachment to you. She emotionally invests in you.
 

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Late to this thread, but here's my perspective as a man who attained a high degree of self-control.

You are onto something, but there's a number of issues here.

It is true that the wild man that you describe is found attractive by a not insignificant number of women, but they lack what's necessary for a relationship to really be sustainable. These men are exciting, in the same way men find the batsh!t crazy hot chick exciting. Is this a good thing? Is it really? I don't think so.

The other end of the spectrum is the guy who's very stable, but to the point he's just living in a loop doing the same old day in and day out. Nothing exciting ever happens, he might just go to work, get home, eat, sleep, rinse and repeat for eternity. Never mixing it up, never doing anything different, fun, novel, exciting. He's not living his life, he's just going on autopilot all the time. She can be with that guy forever, but if she has any dreams of living and exploring what life might have to offer she can just forget about it because this guy is bound to his established comfort zone. He won't leave, he won't do anything different, but that basically means no fun as the crushing monotony of daily life is never deviated from.

Now, I want to bring your attention to the fact that there is a middle ground between the extremes here.

The problem with the wild guy is the complete lack of stability, which isn't sustainable for any sort of lasting relationship as there needs to be at least some sort of structure and predictability to not go insane being with someone. The problem with the super stable guy is the complete lack of excitement, which also isn't sustainable because not feeling is like being dead inside, which is not really living. Both are dysfunctional in their own ways.

The middle ground is to incorporate the best of both perspectives in order to avoid the weaknesses of each of them. What I mean is that there is a structure to the relationship, there is the autopilot and going through the motions to make a living, but those resources are as far as possible while having enough security for the future spent on experiencing life.

That's where I'm at. I have to go to work and earn money, it's the daily grind, that's life. I have to manage life in a way I don't fvck myself for tomorrow, that's stability. We need ground rules in a relationship, organize who does what and not fvck around too much with that order so we can live comfortably, not constantly fight about crap and not suffer unnecessarily while doing the grind. Then there's the entire fvcking reason for doing all of that boring crap, to have the resources to do what we desire to do, what's fun in life. We get to break the monotony and do something entirely different, something exciting, perhaps travel somewhere, whatever we want (within the limits of our excess resources of course).

Meanwhile I also play at a smaller scale, in daily life, doing whatever small thing I can to spice up an otherwise boring loop. Some do this by causing drama, that's why they fvcking do it, because the boredom is suffocating and I totally get it. However I say the people who cause drama lack imagination, it doesn't have to be negative in order to be exciting. Doing just about anything a bit different or out of the ordinary is enough to keep it lively.

What you are describing as a long lasting relationship isn't healthy even if it might last a long time (because of co-dependency). There's plenty of couples out there who have been together for decades, but are toxic as fvck. To me a relationship isn't merely about lasting long, fvck, I don't want it to last long at all if we don't actually positively thrive together. I'd personally rather be alone than be in a relationship without a stable foundation.

A lasting healthy relationship needs aspects of both stability and novelty. Men who just have one or the other are incomplete, they are out of balance in life and just continuing down one path or the other is ultimately destructive. We need to take the middle path and strike a balance between these opposing forces in order to sustain and build a good life. There's downsides to both when taken to extremes.

This actually highlights how I think about many things, such as the classic nice guy vs. jerk. The answer lies somewhere in between and is somewhat related to the false dichotomy you're illustrating here. You can't be nice all the time or you will get absolutely abused, but you can't be an assh0le all the time either because nobody really wants to be constantly abused. The balance I find here is reciprocation across the entire range, I'm nice if you're nice and I'm an assh0le towards you if you're an assh0le towards me. I live by that and so far it has proven to be highly effective, even in turning people who strongly disrespect me into people who grow to respect me once they realize I'm playing by this simple rule. Same applies to women, a b!tch is met by an assh0le response from me. A kind woman is met with kindness. I'm just reflecting back to them what they're giving me, so if a woman wants me to treat her well all she has to do is treat me well, it's her choice.

This works excellently against testing behavior btw. As we all know, most women will test a guy at some point, particularly if it has all been kind up until then. She'll do something that's at least a little bit mean to see what you're made of. Now, a nice guy will double down on his niceness in the hopes she'll go back to being nice, but as he's rewarding bad behavior it makes him look weak and exploitable. A jerk will probably keep being a jerk even when she goes back to being kind, which is bad because it's punishing good behavior. What I will do is be kind right up until the point she's mean, then I'll be mean in return proportional to how mean she's being. Most often she goes back to being kind and I'll immediately flick back to that myself.

There's also something to be said about stability here. The rules of my game is as simple as it gets, I do to you what you do to me, that's the stability, the unchanging foundation.

The really wild men do not adhere to this principle as they're driven by whatever emotion they have in the moment, as such they're unpredictable and volatile, destructively so as they may punish what should be rewarded and perhaps also reward what should be punished. The rules are unclear as she can't read his mind and his emotions change from moment to moment based on unclear conditions.

I have the capacity to be kind and I do prefer that, but I will not hesitate to turn into an assh0le if someone is mean. My game being that clear and simple let's others catch onto it pretty quickly.

There's this guy at work who was a disrespectful piece of sh!t towards me many years ago, just as I was learning this strategy. I applied it to him. As long as he kept being that way I made it as hard as possible for him to deal with me without doing anything that would get me in trouble with HR of course. The guy was absolutely pissed at me for like a couple of months (he's stubborn) and I just didn't yield an inch. Eventually he came around and showed me a little bit of respect and I made sure to change my demeanor to a more positive towards him. Since then he hasn't messed with me and at times have actually been nice towards me, I'll keep the good tone for as long as he does.

Regarding women I have similar experiences. They've started off basically acting like cvnts towards me, immediately I conjure my inner assh0le in response. What's funny is just how quickly they go to the opposite end of the spectrum, suddenly they're being all kinds of nice towards me, which obviously I reward to amplify it. They might flip to test later just to make sure, so do I, they flip back and so do I.

This establishes the fact that I'm giving, but I have boundaries and in order to get something they need to give something. In other words, I'm not free and easy to get, not exploitable, she needs to qualify herself and I've shown her exactly how to do so. All she needs to do to get something out of me is to give in return. Kind, but not weak.

So yeah, whenever you see something two sided, instead of assuming there's only two options and trying to decide which one is better, consider that there might be a better third option somewhere in the middle. Combining the strengths to lessen the weaknesses of both.
 
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