Women find Evil men erotic and arrousing

[floydb25]

Wrong. Most men would like a beautiful woman who isn't a lying, manipulating b1tch, but a nice and intelligent woman. There's nothing for us to like from this sort of b1tch personality. It just so happens that many hot women have this character, so many guys on this forum attempt to persevere (of course they shouldn't bother most of the time).

Men are not attracted to the arrogance of b1tches.
Women are attracted to the ****iness and arrogance of men. They like bad boys.

Not to ignite a flame war, but this is such bull****. Men specifically chase after bad girls and *****es, all the same. They ARE attracted to their wild, promiscuous, naughty, even arrogant side. The fake sluts and skanks, or just straight up *****es. Like you REALLY can't tell when someone is a *****, or bad news. Get that **** outta here.

There ARE natural, classy, kind "beautiful" women out there. But most guys like the trashy bad girls who play games, dress like skanks, look like pornstars, are loud and flashy, aggressive and conceited, use vulgar language, act like men, have arrogant attitudes, entitlement mentalities, immaturity out the ass, treat men like objects, the works.

Being hot is just one aspect of their appeal, and these girls are fake, shallow hot on top of that. They dress to impress, and are more innately naughty and flirtacious than kind or welcoming. There's an aura of value surrounding them - which they're not oblivious to, and exploit to the fullest. Again, the bad girl pornstar look. The SAME traits women find appealing. The look + charm + attitude + value + dark traits. All while claiming to want a nice girl, complaining about *****es, blah blah.

Same ****, different gender. Even as far as limiting their selection to this specific type of woman, and complaining about the same things they are with their bad boys and *******s.

****, I've been right in the middle of this vicious cycle for years, and still get turned on by bad girls. Guilty as anybody. Being attracted to losers is NOT gender-based. A bad girl or boy doesn't necessarily mean they are *******s, either.

 

[( . )( . )]

There ARE natural, classy, kind "beautiful" women out there. But most guys like the trashy bad girls who play games, dress like skanks, look like pornstars, are loud and flashy, aggressive and conceited, use vulgar language, act like men, have arrogant attitudes, entitlement mentalities, immaturity out the ass, treat men like objects, the works.

http://www.palzoo.net/file/pic/gallery/1311_view.jpg

 

[LMFAO]

I think we've entered a parallel universe in this thread.

 

[floydb25]

http://www.palzoo.net/file/pic/gallery/1311_view.jpg

I don't see what's so hard to grasp... These are the kind of *****es men chase after, and complain about EVERY SINGLE DAY on here. The teases, AW's, game-players, actual players, *****es, etc. Maybe they just haven't gotten far enough to see their true evil colors yet... oh, but they would sure love to! If only they become bad and douchey enough to attract them, and not just be manipulated, used, or strung along by them. Dip****s.

Again, like they REALLY can't tell girls like this are trouble, from the jump. And it just gets worse and worse - because they're toxic, troubled people. This is NOT a prize to be won. Woohoo! I landed a crazy retard! HIGH FIVES ALL!

Die. :nono:

 

[( . )( . )]

I don't see what's so hard to grasp... These are the kind of *****es men chase after, and complain about EVERY SINGLE DAY on here. The teases, AW's, game-players, actual players, *****es, etc. Maybe they just haven't gotten far enough to see their true evil colors yet.

Or maybe that's all that's available to them and their limited skill set.

 

[floydb25]

Or maybe that's all that's available to them and their limited skill set.

I'd wager it's moreso what they're attracted to. Loving drama, misery, chaos, unpredictability, mind games, etc isn't gender-based, and neither is having low self-esteem, jaded views, and other issues. Most people attracted to bad types aren't all that good themselves, and share many of the same traits, issues, insecurities, failures, and experiences. They can relate to them instantly. They're not, for example, optimistic, happy, kind, fun-loving, open, etc... otherwise it's what they would be seeking after and attracting. They're only "nice" to people worse than themselves - while still caught in the same circle of *******s and losers. Like all those PoF skanks in denial.

Never forget that like attracts like. What you're focusing on (and probably *****ing about) is what you are. Maybe you just don't see it, since you're too busy *****ing about everyone else. Which, in itself, is part of the problem, and the vibes you give off to others as a result. Negativity attracts negative people. And so the cycle continues; the further down you go

(Not referring to you specifically.)

 

[backbreaker]

There ARE natural, classy, kind "beautiful" women out there. But most guys like the trashy bad girls who play games, dress like skanks, look like pornstars, are loud and flashy, aggressive and conceited, use vulgar language, act like men, have arrogant attitudes, entitlement mentalities, immaturity out the ass, treat men like objects, the works.

most guys want them, they just don't think they can get them

the avg guy has ****ty self esteem and most of the time it's warranted.


guys settle for trashy game playing skanks just like women settle for arrogant alpha males

 

[Mike32ct]

Men don't go after bad girls because they like bad traits. They go after them because they are PERCEIVED as EASY/PROMISCUOUS.

Men perceive the nice good girls as prudes that will make us wait and expect commitment.

Men would LOVE a decent looking nice girl that has casual sex. Ever had a ONS with a female that was nice? I have. It's fantastic. It's like the Gf Experience that you don't have to pay a hooker big money for. But finding a genuinely nice girl for a fling isn't so easy.

Women don't have to worry about who is EASY or not. Almost all men (good or bad) are easy lol.

Actually part of me sort of wonders if nice guys are viewed by women as prudes sexually. Some women have told me "they can't picture mr. Nice guy having sex." But there another topic.

 

[BlackEricNorthman]

There is quite a bit of negativity and unfocused anger with many members of this board. This thread is really bringing out some serious bruised egos.

I think quite a few of you guys would benefit from typing up or writing out a list of your strongest traits and values, and a separate list of the pros and cons that you seek or have experienced from various women.

Embrace your positive traits and values. If you don't have many or aren't happy with the ones you have then you have your starting points for immediate improvement. Do not use these as a checklist to rattle off to some girl in a shallow means to impress her. It's a mental checklist to give you confidence, personal milestones to accomplish and an understanding of why you truly are a rare trophy male.

With your pros and cons list of women that you have known or (would like to know) you will have a general idea of the type of women you prefer in your company, as well as a way to start screening the undesirables. Chicks do the same thing judging your appearance, car, etc and most even tell us blatantly what you must have to even speak to them. Turn about is fair play.

The result of punching up these lists is that it makes you focused. You start to realize your goals gaining solid confidence and exude what makes you valuable in this world. You also have higher standards for the female company you keep so you separate the wheat from the chaff early by pre-selection.

 

[floydb25]

Men don't go after bad girls because they like bad traits. They go after them because they are PERCEIVED as EASY/PROMISCUOUS.

Men perceive the nice good girls as prudes that will make us wait and expect commitment.

Men would LOVE a decent looking nice girl that has casual sex. Ever had a ONS with a female that was nice? I have. It's fantastic. It's like the Gf Experience that you don't have to pay a hooker big money for. But finding a genuinely nice girl for a fling isn't so easy.

Women don't have to worry about who is EASY or not. Almost all men (good or bad) are easy lol.

Actually part of me sort of wonders if nice guys are viewed by women as prudes sexually. Some women have told me "they can't picture mr. Nice guy having sex." But there another topic.

Disagree, but the premise works both ways. Most women like bad boys for ONS', as well, but don't want to get caught up in their BS. I used to be quite the *******, and most chicks were only interested in sex... especially once they found out how crazy I was.

Women are smarter than men think. They know who they're targeting, and what their intentions are. They just don't want everyone else to know - including the guy they're trying to have a ONS with - especially when they're just hooking up, have boyfriends already, etc. A lot of their drama and *****ing about *******s is over-exaggerated, as well. They just like to ***** and complain, seek sympathy, and claim everyone is a jerk whenever things don't go their way.

Truth is, most *******s and bad boys don't last very long with most women... namely because the women who are into them are just as crazy as they are. All of the BS gets to be too much eventually, and one or the other calls it quits for good. Never fails, and these relationships are rocky and chaotic throughout.

But I was friends with a lot of guys who dated bad girls. They always told me - amidst their non-stop complaining about their crazy, heartless ***** at the time - that some girls were just too nice... too available, too submissive, too interested, too easy, too sweet. They liked someone who kept them on their toes, could keep up with them, were aggressive, dominant, independent, unpredictable... just like themselves. Crazy attracted crazy. *******s attracted *****es. And these guys were definitely bad... they always cheated on the side, were loud, douchey, and selfish, got involved in drugs and violence, occassionally hit their women once a fight escalated... but all of this was mutual, and the theme of their entire relationship. They'd curse at each other, get into fights, break things, act rude to others, blame each other, call each other out... it's just the kind of people they were.

Of course, none of those relationships lasted for very long, either. Chaos can't sustain itself. It's just, at the time, or even when they ***** about it after the fact, it seems so intense and detailed and dramatic. And it leaves an unforgettable mark. But despite the heightened emotions they may have about it, those relationships did not last very long. 3-15 months at most. As always, looks and sexual attraction played a vital role in keeping these hellish relationships afloat. Aside from the sex, these people hated each other, but were mutually crazy and dysfunctional enough to keep it going.

I was guilty of this, as well, but definitely not to this extreme. Most people and relationships simply aren't very good, and people like to complain and play the victim. Being bad is by no means a free pass to fun and excitement and long-lasting relationships and respect from others. People just assume too much and delude themselves without any actual facts or first-hand experiences. No different than people who judge others - based on what they see, hear, or how they think things are - only to end up dead-wrong about everything.

 

[Mike32ct]

Disagree, but the premise works both ways. Most women like bad boys for ONS', as well, but don't want to get caught up in their BS. I used to be quite the *******, and most chicks were only interested in sex... especially once they found out how crazy I was.

Ok.

Women are smarter than men think. They know who they're targeting, and what their intentions are. They just don't want everyone else to know - including the guy they're trying to have a ONS with - especially when they're just hooking up, have boyfriends already, etc. A lot of their drama and *****ing about *******s is over-exaggerated, as well. They just like to ***** and complain, seek sympathy, and claim everyone is a jerk whenever things don't go their way.

I agree with this. Women are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing.

Truth is, most *******s and bad boys don't last very long with most women... namely because the women who are into them are just as crazy as they are. All of the BS gets to be too much eventually, and one or the other calls it quits for good. Never fails, and these relationships are rocky and chaotic throughout.

No doubt.

But I was friends with a lot of guys who dated bad girls. They always told me - amidst their non-stop complaining about their crazy, heartless ***** at the time - that some girls were just too nice... too available, too submissive, too interested, too easy, too sweet. They liked someone who kept them on their toes, could keep up with them, were aggressive, dominant, independent, unpredictable... just like themselves. Crazy attracted crazy. *******s attracted *****es. And these guys were definitely bad... they always cheated on the side, were loud, douchey, and selfish, got involved in drugs and violence, occassionally hit their women once a fight escalated... but all of this was mutual, and the theme of their entire relationship. They'd curse at each other, get into fights, break things, act rude to others, blame each other, call each other out... it's just the kind of people they were.

Of course, none of those relationships lasted for very long, either. Chaos can't sustain itself. It's just, at the time, or even when they ***** about it after the fact, it seems so intense and detailed and dramatic. And it leaves an unforgettable mark. But despite the heightened emotions they may have about it, those relationships did not last very long. 3-15 months at most. As always, looks and sexual attraction played a vital role in keeping these hellish relationships afloat. Aside from the sex, these people hated each other, but were mutually crazy and dysfunctional enough to keep it going.

I was guilty of this, as well, but definitely not to this extreme. Most people and relationships simply aren't very good, and people like to complain and play the victim. Being bad is by no means a free pass to fun and excitement and long-lasting relationships and respect from others. People just assume too much and delude themselves without any actual facts or first-hand experiences. No different than people who judge others - based on what they see, hear, or how they think things are - only to end up dead-wrong about everything.

I see your point. I was probably projecting MY views on most men. Being an a$shole to women just isn't in me. Thus, her being bad doesnt do much for me. When I was younger and less experienced, the only reason I would check out a bad girl was her looks AND the (misguided) belief that she was EASiER.

Of course, any experienced DJ knows that bad girl sluts are quite picky. They are "easy" to a small percentage of guys and nearly impossible to the others lol.

 

[floydb25]

Agreed... bad girls are trash, anyway. They're more crazy than easy. There's a lot of **** involved with them, and they tend to hook you with their craziness. Wild, animalistic sex is always offered, but comes with a price, and isn't always so easy. It's just flaunted constantly, to make you think otherwise. There's always a lot of intentional push / pull involved with it, because they thrive off craziness and control. Bullies who get off on seeing other's suffer - AFTER luring them into it. Then all the breaking up and getting back together... it's chaos.

These *****es are takers, and sexuality is just another tool in their arsenol to keep you hooked. It's not "just sex", and they still pull all the bull**** they do to others. They're master manipulators - just like all the bad boy players - and know how to keep you hooked. Crazy sex and strutting their bodies around is all part of their game. They're still highly controlling, selfish, crazy, demanding, moody, crazy, etc. All the mixed messages, mind games, manipulative attempts to gain control still apply. They mess with everyone's head, piss them off, push / pull... all that ****.

Bad girls tend to go after bad guys because they're just as crazy and dysfunctional as they are. They're not kind, happy, caring people, and don't relate to those who are. But the "league" BS still applies. Being nice and "hot" would still result in them being repelled, insulting you, starting fights, and acting crazy... once the "charm" charade is over, that is. They always seem sweet as pea in the beginning, and many of them are predators and bullies.

Again, all of this is universal. Bad guys act in a similar fashion.

 

[Hydrak]

^your description of a bad girl fits into the personality disorder HPD perfectly. Just as the guys attracted to these girls and their games are psychopaths/narcissists. It's quite sad that society puts a label on them as bad girls or AWs when its clear they have a disorder and should be called out for it accordingly. Most normals who get attaches to borderlines and histrionics are unaware of their disorder and thinks its part of their personality.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

I'd say that many girls are attracted to some traits in the dark triads but that's because they are male characteristic disorders. Being a full blown sociopath doesn't get many girls once they realize how f**ked up the dude is. The only girls who are fully attracted to narcissists, psychopaths and so on, are girls with female characteristic disorders.

These girls making fanclubs of the boston bomber are obviously not 100% normal. All of them probably has a personality disorder. Since so many people in todays society does, their behaviour might seem pretty normal and they're just "being girls". Just like the girls sending letters to guys in jail. Every girl usually has traits from HPD/BPD since they are female disorders, so utilizing and embracing some traits that NPD/ASP has will up your game and make you more attractive.

 

[floydb25]

Word... but most bad people have issues, and are dysfunctional. It comes with the territory. Most suffer from low self-esteem, have a strong fear of acceptance and abandonment, a plethora of insecurities, etc. As well as mental health issues, coming from broken homes, being on the streets, shunned or bullied, etc. They tear down and bully others to be "above" them, and gain control / keep them dependant on them. This is abuse and manipulation... They always need the upper-hand, and to be in control.

Then you also have things like not caring about anyone other than themselves, using them as objects, backstabbing them... there's too much **** to list, and I've done it all before.

But bad is bad. Bad is trouble. Bad is not created out of thin air, but the result of bad experiences. It's not good in hiding, or free / easy / crazy sex. Bad girls curse, insult, attack, demand, manipulate, control, etc. There's a lot of bitterness, resentment, anger, etc behind all their behaviors and actions.

 

[Doc Kas]

From what I've read betheman, it's about 10%.

And I agree that some women want alpha sperm, and will find a beta to raise the child.

The association between this guy and "alpha" is what I have a problem with, as well as the ignorant assumption that because some deranged subset of women actually want to fuk this guy, there is some valuable lesson to be learned about "game" here.

There are probably far more women interested in nerds than there are that are interested in mass murderers. Obviously, nerds (or the women who love them) aren't sensationalized by the media - so you won't be reminded of that. Are even 10% of women interested in "nerds?" Maybe not. But even if it's only 5%, you'd be hard pressed to argue that even 1% actually find this type of extreme violence sexy. What women do generally find sexy are psychopathic traits (ruthlessness, fearlessness, carefree nonplanfulness, stress immunity, social potency, etc.) that are sublimated.


Listen, I fuked a woman on her honeymoon. I ran a train on a married b!tch on a boat once. I've fuked strippers. I've done all kinds of sh!t and I've seen some outrageous behavior from women - single, engaged, married.

I am far from naive as to many women's inability to control their impulses.

But I'm also smart enough to understand that the type of behavior these women are exhibiting, is atypical and far outside the bounds of normal - which means I shouldn't give a sh!t about it.

If you're honestly that desperate to get a woman that you idolize an indiscriminate mass murderer, be my guest. But as another poster explained, the sexual marketplace is a great big place, with room for all kinds of people. You don't have to be a psychopath to get laid, or - GASP - to find and actually keep a woman that adds value to your life.

Intelligent response and I completely agree.

 

[Doc Kas]

Is it really all that flattering to be a woman's "safe alternative"?

If you reverse the situation.. is like a guy who would prefer to f*ck and be with Minka Kelly.. but since she would treat him like dirt.. he gets in a LTR with someone "safe". A chubby chick with bad skin. He dates her and f*cks her.. but when he masturbates.. its Minka Kelly he thinks about.

Its similar to the person who buys a Toyota because they can't afford a Benz. Sure.. they like the Toyota too.. but its no Benz.

There is a reason women initially go for the bad boy and marry the nice guy. They ALL want the bad boy. Look at Rihanna and Chris Brown. She will probably end up with a beta faggot in the end. But she lusted for the man who smashed her face in. :crackup:

Only after women realize they can never keep a bad boy do they change their standards and go for men they have more control over. Same with men. We all want the supermodel in the beginning don't we?

Just saying.. being Mr. Nice Guy beta faggot who washes the dishes is not all that "flattering" when you look at the big picture bro.

I see what this guy is saying and somewhat agree. I guess you can never really know a woman's true motivations.

No one wants to be second best. I've felt what you have talked about. When I've had a woman, you want to inspire that raw desire in her which is the "bad boy" image you are referring to. Gina tingles and not just I'm with you cause we emotionally bond.

However, to use a label like the "bad boy" is where the ambiguity may be. It seems bad boy is the arbitrary term that gets chucked around but is different in everyone's perspective.

He could be rebellious, methodical, calculated, emotionally distant, cunning, dominant, intimidating, yet have tattoos under his shirt when he goes to his office job. He could also sell weed on the weekends from his hydro set up. This dude is straight up sociopath "bad boy".

But, if you were walking down the street, you may see this guy with his office gear on and you wouldn't think "bad boy". You wouldn't see his Tatts or be exposed to his personality.

Then you've got the loser down the road who's a mumma's boy yet has tattoos as well and dresses gangsta and drives a car with rims. Loser "bad boy" sells drugs too. One day he crosses paths with mr hidden "bad boy" office worker and the loser starts a fight cause he thinks office worker is an easy target. Although the office "bad boy" hands him his ass cause he ain't the poser here.

See how things aren't so black and white now.