When 2 nd Wave Feminism's "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" ethos had flamed out by the early 80s https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/17/magazine/voices-from-the-post-feminist-generation.html , one has to wonder: What leads MGTOW's to believe that what they're proposing will be any more sustainable for men?
This article was a very good find.
MGTOW is not sustainable for men. Men do not arrive at MGTOW magically. When a man decides to pursue MGTOW, it is after being ignored and rejected by women.
And conning himself into believing that his lot in life is MOSTLY the fault of not only the women he desired not wanting him, but also the result of
That was true in 1982 when it was written and true in current times as well (2010s-2020s).
Good for her for having that self-awareness. Not many women do. One current day example of a woman with self-awareness is Courtney Ryan. Courtney Ryan likely had sex with numerous alpha/sigma type males in her teens - mid 20s, then settled with wealthy dweeb Teddy Baldassarre around age 24. She's only with Teddy Baldassarre for his money and she realized earlier in life than a lot of money that she was going to be unable to secure a long term commitment out of the alpha/sigma type that she truly desired.
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I don't think the red pill is a bad thing. The red pill has been a reaction to changes in the sexual marketplace in recent decades. In the GI Generation (1910s-early 1920s births), Silent Generation (late 1920s-1945 births), and Baby Boomers (1946-1964 births), Western men could attract women by having decent jobs and not being overweight. That hasn't been reality for Millennial men (1981-1996) and this thread was started by a Millennial man. Right now, there is a generation of Millennial men in their 30s-early 40s who were encouraged by their Boomer parents to go to college and get a solid paying job because that advice worked for the Boomers. Millennial men are seeing that their slightly above average paying white collar jobs aren't getting them laid. The blue collar Millennial tradesmen are also struggling to get laid in a lot cases. Being a decent salaryman isn't much in attracting women.
It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
In regards to whether or not The Red Pill is "a good thing".... As said elsewhere, life was much simpler when we weren't emulating The Woke Left, by speaking and writing of these things in paragraphs overflowing with jargon and buzzwords. It wasn't all that long ago that we were doing so both here at SS https://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000265.html and in The MSM https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/rationale-male-players-handbook.282121/#post-3116512
I don't put anything past anyone, nonetheless what evidence are you basing all of this on?
Why else would Courtney be with a dweebish looking guy?
There are plenty of data points around increasing sexlessness among men, women rating 80% of men below average, women only swiping right on 4.5% of men while men swipe right on around 50% of women, less sex within marriages now compared to the pre-internet era.
With great respect to CR, she's a solid 6 at her most glorious. It would actually be very odd to see her with a dude who looks like Henry Cavill or MB Jordan
6 is a defensible rating for Courtney Ryan. She's a "cute" range female, which would be around a 6 to low 7 depending on who is doing the rating.
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Not here simping but Courtney Ryan would be easily an "8" in Wisconsin some of you guys gotta realize there are some fat/ugly women in smaller US states those ratings easily bump up
No one who has overlapping areas of agreement with MGTOW has penned a searing examination of the entire subculture, similar to Didion's takedown of The Women's Movement https://www.nytimes.com/1972/07/30/archives/the-womens-movement-women.html
This is true. It's essentially true in Dallas as well.
Courtney would be more positively perceived in Ohio or Wisconsin than Florida or Texas. She went to college in small town Ohio and appears to have lived in Cleveland since then. Cleveland is a bigger city but not quite as known for attractive women as Miami, Dallas, New York, or Los Angeles.
Yes, he does. I maintain that she settled for him because she couldn't get the commitment she desired out of a 6'0"+ fit guy she would have seen on Spring Break in Florida or in the Cleveland bars. She arrived at this realization in her mid-20s. Many other women are still seeking commitment from alphas well into their 30s or even 40s and end up putting up higher notch count as penis carousel riders.
I used to be into watches and watched Teddy Baldassarre’s channel from time to time. He pulled about 100K views per video, had a video with Kevin O’Leary, and owns an online watch accessories store. Not sure what he is up to now.
IMO Courtney is smart for that, most women had this strategy circa 2010, heck you even see it now although it's not in large numbers as before as women now are holding for the mythical 6s guy. There is nothing more pathetic than seeing a 40-year-old woman going to the club with women half her age and competing for the same guy. Truly sad to see as the makeup runs down her face, due to alcohol sweat and the wrinkles appear and once the lights are on you can see the crow's feet lmfao
Interesting conjecture. Like so much else in both Red Pill Theology (And, for that matter, Intersectionality), it's that... Conjecture, based on not much hard evidence and predicated on several nonsequitur leaps in logic
