Women Don't Want a Semi-Successful Man

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

Bouncer salary is not $75,000+/annual. Yet bouncers have an advantage over men in that $75,000 - $125,000 range who are white collar or blue collar workers. They are considered exciting, protector men. Imagine being a bouncer who is 6'0"+ and 200 lbs + of mainly muscle. That's going to impress a lot of women. A bouncer of that height and weight with a motorcycle will have abundance and it is abundance of stripper and barmaid vagina.

It would take a lot of money for a 5'9"-5'11" white collar worker in a non-STEM field, in decent shape, and with average social skills to replicate what a bouncer has. That might take a white collar salary of $250,000+ to achieve that sort of abundance with attractive women.

Yes, you're right, it's a fun experience, especially if you have a bunch of guys who get along. You need this especially when you 'accidentally' hurt someone. Everyone is going to cover for each other and these are the guys you are going to radio for help when shtf. It's also a great tool to network with club owners, promoters, strippers, bar girls, drug dealers etc. A lot of door guys deal drugs too and they help women skip the line which when you're a 20 year-old social-lite seems like a big deal. The majority of uni girls go home with their friends at the end of the night and if they get an opportunity will run up to the 'cute' bouncer before they leave to get his number so they can have something to brag about in the car. Lots of the girls who work in the club bang the bouncers too because they spend a lot of time around them complaining about the boss or gossiping about X ****head manager snorting coke in the backroom... so you're already a 'funny guy she knows from work'. In addition, you learn an interesting set of skills that make you assertive and a bit confrontational but also social, as opposed to a jail guard who has to be ON the entire shift. I would highly recommend everyone into PUA moonlighting as a bouncer at your local nightclub or raves, it will get you in front of hot women. I think for this reason, bouncers are perceived as 'cooler' than cops... the bouncer goes home with a phone number while the cop goes home with PTSD.

I don't want to de-rail this thread so I'll just say, whatever your opinion here George Floyd was a bouncer while Derek Chauvin was a cop. The two knew each other prior to the incident and worked the same club in very different roles.

 

[Solomon]

The access thing is extremely under appreciated. Probably because you have limited control over it and is very clearly not the fictional meritocracy everyone seems to want to fantasize about.

The reality is to many people are stuck in one or 2-dimensional thinking(thinking getting women is some sort of algorithm or formula when that's not the case) When it comes to being successful with women there are lot of nuances that cannot just be explained by LOOKS, MONEY, and STATUS. Once you understand this, you will be further ahead than 90% of men when it comes to women

 

[Manure Spherian]

"I want a man who has a goal in life, something to shoot for."

Translation: I want a man with status and money.

Most women who say this would be fine with a man with an inheritance from a rich and powerful family whose goal was to sit by his pool and sip on alcohol all day.

 

[Manure Spherian]

amazon princess

Can you define epic-level woman and Amazon princess?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Can you define epic-level woman and Amazon princess?

No, he can't. He left the forum.

 

[Manure Spherian]

No, he can't. He left the forum.

Amazing.

 

[Gamisch]

The access thing is extremely under appreciated. Probably because you have limited control over it and is very clearly not the fictional meritocracy everyone seems to want to fantasize about.

Absolutely.

By now we came to find out:

The fastest way to play the numbers game effectively is by having access to as many women as possible in REAL life.

The only drawback of neing a bouncer is that either each man has done some form.of martial arts training, amd those who didn't will most definitely come back to shoot or stab the f0ck outta ya when you simply refuse them access ..its a HUGE and hefty price to pay.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The only drawback of neing a bouncer is that either each man has done some form.of martial arts training, amd those who didn't will most definitely come back to shoot or stab the f0ck outta ya when you simply refuse them access ..its a HUGE and hefty price to pay.

It's the reason I quit. The access to women was great, the repercussions for throwing out fragile ego criminals was too risky, especially in my hometown (I was a bouncer in London, Barcelona, Berlin and Paris, but I didn't stay there longer than a few months).

 

[Macadellic]

Why do I care what women want
I know how things are working out for me

 

[Anom]

Translation: I want a man with status and money.

Most women who say this would be fine with a man with an inheritance from a rich and powerful family whose goal was to sit by his pool and sip on alcohol all day.

Sorry for the horribly late reply, provider I had before made some threads and articles load just a white screen or with pointless PHP errors. (Bonus: feeling the embarrassment of no one knowing your reply was sarcastic.)

I'd like to think even more than "most women" would enjoy that. Are these the same type of women that say "I wAnt a maN nOt a boy!!" when they just want someone to take care of them and also their kids from a previous marriage? That's a quote I hear/read a lot from women like that. It's mind blowing how entire thick books could be printed just listing off translations of what women really mean when they say something - from just the topic of 'what women are looking for' alone.

 

[RickTheToad]

Men in this category, $75k-$125k salary, relatively in shape, drive a good car, has a few hobbies, women do not want. Why? Because this man has standards. Women do not want to work for their men. Women of today want a simp or a millionaire. Simple as that. This is what society aka social media is telling them. Get a man who accepts you for you are OR "you deserve better queen!"

Yes I am posting this out of frustration. I'm meeting many women (in their late twenties) who put in very little and expect a lot. I've never in my life had to put up with so much arrogant and self-entitled garbage from women of today.

Pretend then. If you just want the pus, become an actor.

Step 1, get a burner phone. I do not recommend an app, as they are tracking your location. Go to your local CVS/Walgreens/etc. and buy pre-paid phone with minutes. You can go to Walmart and it's called StraightTalk for 20 bucks a month; and buy a simple phone. If you plan to text, you can get a low end smart phone on ebay for 20-30 bucks.

Step 2, build a separate Insta profile from that cellphone and put pics of you doing sh!t. You can even go on to Fiverr and have people professionally placing you in pictures as actually doing those things; if you do not want to show your own pics.

Step 3, build a persona of a $250k+ person and act it in front of the female and on dates. You can still take them out for coffee/drinks, but elude success and bravado. Always pay cash; no credit/debit.

Step 4, rent a place on AirBNB for a weekend or a few days, line the females up, and have fun.

Step 5, rinse and repeat at a different location.

 

[Apone]

The reality is to many people are stuck in one or 2-dimensional thinking(thinking getting women is some sort of algorithm or formula when that's not the case) When it comes to being successful with women there are lot of nuances that cannot just be explained by LOOKS, MONEY, and STATUS. Once you understand this, you will be further ahead than 90% of men when it comes to women

Exactly. While I do agree men who are in what I call the gray-middle are pretty lost in the dating market, a lot of it has to do with mentality. The man at the bottom has nothing to lose and acts like it. Total bravado. The man at the top has safety and security. Total bravado. The man in the gray-middle is scared to death. Scared they don't have enough looksmoneystatus yadda yadda ya. This mentality oozes through every pore and turns the man into a simp. They're ****ed before they even open their mouth because the gray-middle man is looking for validation from a woman. They're looking to qualify themselves as enough. Loser mindset.

What's more valuable than looksmoneystatus? It's something that's more precious than gold. Good emotions. You can't buy it. Bench pressing won't give it to you. A chiseled jaw won't help. You can't even really fake it. You literally have to get your head on straight, learn to get in the moment, overcome your own issues, and become a 5 year old again where only the present moment exists. Women secretly like FUN more than looksmoneystatus. If you know how to give them that, then you win.

Also, instead of gray-middle men faking that they have money, try going the other way. Fake that you're a starving artist/bohemian/garbage man and don't give a ****. Take on that mentality. Try it out for the date. Your results will probably be better than bragging about some bull**** corporate cubicle job

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Also, instead of gray-middle men faking that they have money, try going the other way. Fake that you're a starving artist/bohemian/garbage man and don't give a ****. Take on that mentality. Try it out for the date. Your results will probably be better than bragging about some bull**** corporate cubicle job

I agree, except that I don't have to fake bohemian artist.

 

[Solomon]

Exactly. While I do agree men who are in what I call the gray-middle are pretty lost in the dating market, a lot of it has to do with mentality. The man at the bottom has nothing to lose and acts like it. Total bravado. The man at the top has safety and security. Total bravado. The man in the gray-middle is scared to death. Scared they don't have enough looksmoneystatus yadda yadda ya. This mentality oozes through every pore and turns the man into a simp. They're ****ed before they even open their mouth because the gray-middle man is looking for validation from a woman. They're looking to qualify themselves as enough. Loser mindset.

What's more valuable than looksmoneystatus? It's something that's more precious than gold. Good emotions. You can't buy it. Bench pressing won't give it to you. A chiseled jaw won't help. You can't even really fake it. You literally have to get your head on straight, learn to get in the moment, overcome your own issues, and become a 5 year old again where only the present moment exists. Women secretly like FUN more than looksmoneystatus. If you know how to give them that, then you win.

Also, instead of gray-middle men faking that they have money, try going the other way. Fake that you're a starving artist/bohemian/garbage man and don't give a ****. Take on that mentality. Try it out for the date. Your results will probably be better than bragging about some bull**** corporate cubicle job

Yup I was watching a video by this big youtuber who found out his ex-girlfriend was dating a broke guy after him and he couldn't fathom it. YOu have to understand the youtuber is a millionaire but out of shape and he wonders why his girlfriend would cheat on him with a broke athlete

 

[SW15]

Exactly. While I do agree men who are in what I call the gray-middle are pretty lost in the dating market, a lot of it has to do with mentality. The man at the bottom has nothing to lose and acts like it. Total bravado. The man at the top has safety and security. Total bravado. The man in the gray-middle is scared to death. Scared they don't have enough looksmoneystatus yadda yadda ya.

In the 2020s, the gray middle market is a tough place to be.

Making $75,000 - $125,000 in 2024 will get an unattached man a decent 1 bedroom apartment in a lot of bigger USA cities. In the most expensive Northeast and West Coast cities, that might mean a 2 bedroom apartment with a roommate.

In a lot of bigger USA cities, men reach that $75,000 - $125,000 salary range at age 30 or later. When men are in their 30s-40s, money becomes more important in the SMV equation.

A mid-tier salary man like the $75,000 - $125,000 earning man is doing well enough to have a decent life but he's not earning enough to base his SMV completely on money. Some men in this salary range will take on some level of debt to get impressive possession to use as a means of seducing women.

It's also a challenging place to be because a job loss in this salary range will cause financial pain. It could take 6-12 month to replace this salary range in the white collar space. If a man has debt, that won't be good. Even paying the rent could be challenging for the single man.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

In the 2020s, the gray middle market is a tough place to be.

Making $75,000 - $125,000 in 2024 will get an unattached man a decent 1 bedroom apartment in a lot of bigger USA cities. In the most expensive Northeast and West Coast cities, that might mean a 2 bedroom apartment with a roommate.

In a lot of bigger USA cities, men reach that $75,000 - $125,000 salary range at age 30 or later. When men are in their 30s-40s, money becomes more important in the SMV equation.

A mid-tier salary man like the $75,000 - $125,000 earning man is doing well enough to have a decent life but he's not earning enough to base his SMV completely on money. Some men in this salary range will take on some level of debt to get impressive possession to use as a means of seducing women.

It's also a challenging place to be because a job loss in this salary range will cause financial pain. It could take 6-12 month to replace this salary range in the white collar space. If a man has debt, that won't be good. Even paying the rent could be challenging for the single man.

Things become ridiculous and men should just stop playing and walk away from shyt like that.

When the system is rigged against you, operate outside the system.

At some point in the near future the passport bro's will be making fun of the cvcked simps at home that are working their azz off to get the last open spot in a poly-relationship.

Western men need to realize there is a war led against them and nothing but slavery will be acceptable for the powers at work.

 

[SW15]

Things become ridiculous and men should just stop playing and walk away from shyt like that.

When the system is rigged against you, operate outside the system.

At some point in the near future the passport bro's will be making fun of the cvcked simps at home that are working their azz off to get the last open spot in a poly-relationship.

Western men need to realize there is a war led against them and nothing but slavery will be acceptable for the powers at work.

I have long said that Game (seduction & retention) is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. I have long believed that looks and money are the most important variables there.

This thread is mostly about money and its role in initial seduction and retention in longer term relationships.

A $75,000 - $125,000 salary in 2023-2024 puts a man in a higher percentile among all income earners. Men typically don't reach this salary range until after age 30. After age 30 is when money starts to become more of a relevant variable in a man's SMV.

The mid-tier provider male hasn't been doing as well in recent decades. I'm 41 and I can't recall a time in the last 20 years when provider males were considered something that women desired. Most women earn enough money to not value a provider male with a slightly above average income.

I don't talk as much about Passport Bros as others. Most men simply don't have what it takes to leave a Western nation and search for women in non-Western nations. I can understand why Western men opt out of dating and chose to relocate.

It would stink to be a higher earning man in an expensive city like San Francisco and be in a poly relationship. A lot of San Francisco men are doing that now.

 

[jhonny9546]

C'era un motivo per cui nostro nonno li teneva a piedi nudi, incinte e dietro i fornelli

That's why women had more than 10 sons back in time...
You get a realtionship of 30 years in this way.

So until then its only fun and games that a man should offer.

This. You can be that man, but not a good father.

 

[jhonny9546]

So until then its only fun and games that a man should offer.

This. You can be that man, but not a good father.

I don't care what women want. I take note of what they respond to, that's all I need to know.

For me, I saw big changes in women (doing IOI's) for:
- my Kindness
- my Muscles
- my Intelligence
- my Creative/Humoristic side

Thanks for this comment. This made me understand I could note those quality somewhere.

Part of the challenge has to do with adjusting to the generational gap brought by the Internet. Their desires are the same, but there's a lot of new ideas that's been affecting their minds, from feminism and the shows they watch, to dating apps and Instagram. From there stems a lot of false conviction that is really just confusion, and I guess part of that is where we come in - we clarify so they understand the world better (not so much as it becomes pedantic and ineffective). We lead and they follow, right?

You can do it, and yet remember her everytime, but sometimes, you may still not being understood.
Sometimes, there's no room to change/adapt (specifically for BPD women)

 

[SW15]

Things become ridiculous and men should just stop playing and walk away from shyt like that.

When the system is rigged against you, operate outside the system.

This is nice to say in theory. It doesn't always work out that way in the real world.

There are more and more men following the MGTOW path. I don't comment about MGTOW stuff too much because I don't think it's very realistic for a lot of men. Most men have too much testosterone to walk away completely on their own. However, in the USA, many women will reject men and turn them into involuntary celibates (incels). There are similarities between incels and MGTOWs.

Some men operate outside of the system by paying directly for sex. These are men who struggle to get laid in conventional dating (indirectly paid sex) but are getting laid from directly paid sex.

There are many men who are in the income range of semi-successful men who are ignored by women in the conventional sexual marketplace.

At some point in the near future the passport bro's will be making fun of the cvcked simps at home that are working their azz off to get the last open spot in a poly-relationship.

This is already happening in places like San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland, OR. Women in these cities are able to get penis in poly relationships from many men despite being subpar to mediocre looking.