Women believe their own lies.

[macagent]

Back on Track!

So I don't have much of a opinion on the Vagina Debate here, but I do think it has terribly derailed this thread, and the constant bickering between you two has really gone overboard. I'm now annoyed with you both, regardless of your points.

Strelok, if you want to debate the woman-ness of Jaylan, please go start your own thread for that purpose. You can even set up a poll, if you'd like. But don't fuk up somone else's thread for you own agenda.

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Bottom line, this attitude of "all women cheat" comes down to what we are observing in our lives: out of 8 married couples in my group of friends that i can recall off the top of my head, and including myself, 6 women cheated (some multiple times, up to and including being impregnated by another man), 1 man cheated, and god bless them, one couple broke up with their integrity and honor intact.

Also, 2 weeks ago, I was taken home by an old friend ("just friends" for years while I was married) who tells me her BF isn't doing it for her and she is "desperate" for some good loving...was going well until she realized we were in his bed with "their" photos and stuff everywhere. oops

I would call this empirical evidence.

My perspective: women, as a group, are more prone to cheat while in LTRs, and more prone to pre-plan and lie about their endeavors. This is what I see in the world around me, and would invite others here to post their similar statistics from their circle or family to further clarify what kind of numbers we are talking about.

Onward with useful discussion please.

 

[Scorpio6913]

So I don't have much of a opinion on the Vagina Debate here, but I do think it has terribly derailed this thread, and the constant bickering between you two has really gone overboard. I'm now annoyed with you both, regardless of your points.

Strelok, if you want to debate the woman-ness of Jaylan, please go start your own thread for that purpose. You can even set up a poll, if you'd like. But don't fuk up somone else's thread for you own agenda.

----------------------------------------------------/rant

Bottom line, this attitude of "all women cheat" comes down to what we are observing in our lives: out of 8 married couples in my group of friends that i can recall off the top of my head, and including myself, 6 women cheated (some multiple times, up to and including being impregnated by another man), 1 man cheated, and god bless them, one couple broke up with their integrity and honor intact.

Also, 2 weeks ago, I was taken home by an old friend ("just friends" for years while I was married) who tells me her BF isn't doing it for her and she is "desperate" for some good loving...was going well until she realized we were in his bed with "their" photos and stuff everywhere. oops

I would call this empirical evidence.

My perspective: women, as a group, are more prone to cheat while in LTRs, and more prone to pre-plan and lie about their endeavors. This is what I see in the world around me, and would invite others here to post their similar statistics from their circle or family to further clarify what kind of numbers we are talking about.

Onward with useful discussion please.

Amen!! I really enjoyed the thread topic, however the derailment really annoyed me, where is a Mod when need be?

To the Op, I think it is now becoming the norm for women to cheat, very sad indeed, wasn't this bad when I was younger (I'm 41 now) & goes to show times are changing, especially while dating these days. Anyone have any constructive solutions to this?

 

[Scars]

Scars, really listen to what this guy has said. If you want to be bitter and unhappy sure. But you can only blame yourself to be honest.

Being brutally honest Scars, your post sounded like someone whos a bitter hypocrite who only dates low quality insecure women. I mean these women have no quality if they say they dont care being betrayed by your cheating, or if they willingly date you despite your consistent disloyalty. I have NEVER met a woman ok with cheating...and saying "make sure shes prettier than me" is just a screaming lack of self esteem

And your hypocritical attitude about cheating will only perpetuate this bad situation. Dont EVER get mad if a woman fvcks some dudes on the side if you do it too. And you talk about one girl never found out....dont be so sure these girls werent fvcking around on you.

Like I said to you before in another thread, let go of all that negativity. Be a realist yes, but not some bitter pessimist who disrespects other people yet expects respect for themselves. You get what you give, you receive what you distribute, you reap what you sow.

Damn, if I got a dollar for every time someone called me "bitter" on this board..

Perhaps neither of you have felt the effects of having PTSD, or have dated a borderline. You've never had the feeling of losing half of yourself, getting your heart ripped out, suffering mentally/emotionally/physically everyday afterward, and it becomes a hassle just to wake up in the morning. That is what it's like. People who come out of BPD relationships feel victimized, because they truly are. Perhaps your right, maybe I haven't "let go", but I know for sure that it has completely changed the way I think and feel, and I will never allow some girl to fvck with my emotions like that again. I may come off of calloused at times, and everyone wants to point the finger on woman (because I often take out my aggression on them), but no one here truly knows my story, nor knows some of the things, or have done. I'm not here to try and get sympathy, that's just simply truth. I have reasons for how I am and why I think and act the way I do. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I don't feel myself as bitter, I feel myself as a realist with his eyes open.

And as far as the whole "dating low quality woman" is concerned. I don't actually really date. I've only really had 3 serious girlfriends (I call them serious because they lasted a year+) and those were the ones that generally fvcked me up. Yes, I encounter BPD/nutcases/histrionics all the time, and fvck them without a care in the world. I DO attract low quality woman, well maybe not low quality, because they are generally very hott and seductive, but definitely low-self esteem. I agree. I actually have no problem with that. I am fine with fvcking woman and then getting rid of them later, it's what I do. It's only when I get enticed that it becomes a problem. My constant bantering/negatively is more/less me coping and also just reminding myself of why I don't date. If I don't date, I'm fine. I'm 21 years old anyway, I shouldn't be trying to find my "love". I realize that. Right now I wanna fvck and have fun. So when people try and tell me "I don't date quality woman", I just kind of laugh at them, because there really aren't any "quality" woman out there anyway. And if there are, I ain't going to settle down with them anytime soon. I'm way too young. I think you guys attacking me for cheating is more or a morality issue on your guys part. I new getting into any of my relationships that they weren't going to last forever. I never clouded my thoughts or dreams in that sense because I've always been a realist. Perhaps I am too real for people. It wouldn't be the first time I've heard that.

But all this aside, I'm getting kind of annoyed at how I get labeled bitter constantly. It's an easy label to stick onto anyone who is trying to reveal the truth about woman. That's why a lot of the best advice givers here have left. The morality DJs/newbies who don't know any better simply cling to what feels right/comfortable. But that's not always right. It's sad to see how many people here have still not truly "unplugged" themselves. That's my goal here, and you can hate on me for it or not.

-Scars

 

[Zodiac]

You are one to talk dude. You dont have the ability to participate in a mature debate so you simply dismiss my valid responses with "hes a woman" chants.

Pathetic at best. At ease soldier.

What debate? You have done nothing but lie through your female mouth since it came to light you have a vagina.

Perhaps neither of you have felt the effects of having PTSD, or have dated a borderline. You've never had the feeling of losing half of yourself, getting your heart ripped out, suffering mentally/emotionally/physically everyday afterward, and it becomes a hassle just to wake up in the morning. That is what it's like. People who come out of BPD relationships feel victimized, because they truly are. Perhaps your right, maybe I haven't "let go", but I know for sure that it has completely changed the way I think and feel, and I will never allow some girl to fvck with my emotions like that again. I may come off of calloused at times, and everyone wants to point the finger on woman (because I often take out my aggression on them), but no one here truly knows my story, nor knows some of the things, or have done. I'm not here to try and get sympathy, that's just simply truth. I have reasons for how I am and why I think and act the way I do. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I don't feel myself as bitter, I feel myself as a realist with his eyes open.

I watched my best friend and roommate go from being a loving and caring man into a neurotic and life hating man that wanted to kill himself each and every day towards the end of his relationship, all from dating a BPD chick. They are evil hell spawn that need to be locked away until they can fix their issue as other people don't deserve the emotional abuse they cause. That's just an outsider that saw the arguments and heard the vile nasty things that thing said to him. Its utterly disgusting what they get away for because "They have a condition and you need to accept it."

But all this aside, I'm getting kind of annoyed at how I get labeled bitter constantly. It's an easy label to stick onto anyone who is trying to reveal the truth about woman. That's why a lot of the best advice givers here have left. The morality DJs/newbies who don't know any better simply cling to what feels right/comfortable. But that's not always right. It's sad to see how many people here have still not truly "unplugged" themselves. That's my goal here, and you can hate on me for it or not.

-Scars

Agreed Scars. The people that reveal the truth are the firsts ones to get ripped apart. That old saying: "First comes denial, then anger and lastly acceptance" is so true.

 

[Jaylan]

What debate? You have done nothing but lie through your female mouth since it came to light you have a vagina.

What debate? Please dont try and act like you arent privy to the discussion at hand.

Also please highlight where I have lied in this thread. I am sure that if you are making this accusation that you could at least do that, right?

So I don't have much of a opinion on the Vagina Debate here, but I do think it has terribly derailed this thread, and the constant bickering between you two has really gone overboard. I'm now annoyed with you both, regardless of your points.

Strelok, if you want to debate the woman-ness of Jaylan, please go start your own thread for that purpose. You can even set up a poll, if you'd like. But don't fuk up somone else's thread for you own agenda.

----------------------------------------------------/rant

Bottom line, this attitude of "all women cheat" comes down to what we are observing in our lives: out of 8 married couples in my group of friends that i can recall off the top of my head, and including myself, 6 women cheated (some multiple times, up to and including being impregnated by another man), 1 man cheated, and god bless them, one couple broke up with their integrity and honor intact.

Also, 2 weeks ago, I was taken home by an old friend ("just friends" for years while I was married) who tells me her BF isn't doing it for her and she is "desperate" for some good loving...was going well until she realized we were in his bed with "their" photos and stuff everywhere. oops

I would call this empirical evidence.

My perspective: women, as a group, are more prone to cheat while in LTRs, and more prone to pre-plan and lie about their endeavors. This is what I see in the world around me, and would invite others here to post their similar statistics from their circle or family to further clarify what kind of numbers we are talking about.

Onward with useful discussion please.

Its a shame what you have seen these guys go through, but its something many folks go through, male or female. There was a time where I was so down about the idea of relationships because most of the guys I knew seemed to have cheated or talk about cheating as if it was no big deal. However the kicker is these same dudes would flip a sh!t if it happens to them. One dude I know even brought his other gal around the boys during a football game a few years back while his pregnant gf was at home.

But hell, as I started to open your eyes to all the things around me, I realized I was easily glossing over the good people. There are a good number of stable relationships and good people out there. I think also that age group is a big factor too. As someone in his teens and early 20, I saw a lot of bs, but at that age people are learning about what they really want in a partner. As I have gotten older (almost 25 now) and have made older friends and acquaintances, I see that theres a lot of loyal folks out there.

I cant say for sure that the numbers are down the middle for the amount of good folks and bad folks out there, but Im sure theres a bunch of diamonds in the rough out in the world. Hell, forums exist where women are b!tching about how horrible guys are and about how all their gal pals get used and screwed over. Just like women pass over a lot of good dudes to date for one reason or another, we have prolly done it too for one reason or another.

Im no saint and never will be. But Ill try to be a good person, treat folks well, and surround myself with good people. The rest can piss off

 

[crazyboy]

Yall agruing like some *****es. for **** sake let it go.

 

[Zodiac]

Also please highlight where I have lied in this thread.

The parts you deny being a woman.

 

[AlexDP]

So you don't know how to answer except ad hominem, passive aggressive behaviour and random insults against me, in many lines of course.
I'm fine with that,I'm sure those reading can make an idea by themselves, im fine also with your insults as long as you avoid the private messages unlike before.

Whilst I can't even begin to explain how much I dislike Jaylan, you don't seem to know what "ad hominem" means. If anyone started the ad hominem attacks, it's you. In fact, virtually everyone who is debating with Jaylan right now is attacking him on a personal level. It's a very ugly scene. Why get so worked up over this anyway?

 

[AlexDP]

BTW, my girlfriend said she feels bad, because her ex kissed a guy. She's coming over right now to apologise for her "feeling". This after I told her yesterday that I thought that maybe we should break up. I think she feels bad, because the ex used to do everything for her when they broke up a year ago. He's a controlling chump and even if she'd go back, they'd break up within weeks anyway.

But here's the deal:

I want her as a fully committed girlfriend or I don't want her at all. I'm at a point where walking away is going to hurt, no doubt, but also at a point where I still can. It's not that she's really lying about anything, she's pretty straightforward, but still..

What do you guys think?

 

[Strelok]

Lmao, thats your reply? I give you a well presented and valid answer and you are still hostile.

Not my fault reading a little extra text is a problem for you.

Keep going sweety, change the form but dont change the meaning.

Whilst I can't even begin to explain how much I dislike Jaylan, you don't seem to know what "ad hominem" means. If anyone started the ad hominem attacks, it's you. In fact, virtually everyone who is debating with Jaylan right now is attacking him on a personal level. It's a very ugly scene. Why get so worked up over this anyway?

Bvll**** dear alex, ad hominem refers to attack the subject instead of his points, saying that someone is either a woman or seems such is not an insult since being woman is not anything bad.

My question is simply how comes dozens of users got the same impression.

 

[Solomon]

It's bickering like this which has made the quality of the forum go waaaaaaay down. Instead of arguing on topics guys are puffing their chest trying to be alpha and arguing for the sake of arguing

Where the fucc are the new mods at?

*Exits thread*

 

[Zodiac]

My question is simply how comes dozens of users got the same impression.

Possibly because we all see the truth of the matter instead of what she is trying to spew as "truth?"

 

[macagent]

jesus christ *****es, get over yourselves! You're acting like a bunch of teenaged girls. Knock it the **** off!

Would a Mod please step in and Mod this thread? I mean really Scars, isn't that what you are supposed to be doing here, keeping threads on track and trolls in control? ****ing ridiculous...

 

[Strelok]

Possibly because we all see the truth of the matter instead of what she is trying to spew as "truth?"

Very possibly, however lets let it go any user will think for himself, our posts were close to the spam border and the fact that some other user spammed himself to tell us to stop spamming makes it even worse.

 

[Acq]

I'm a guy and I believe my own lies too, its the key to sound believable ..

 

[Jaylan]

jesus christ *****es, get over yourselves! You're acting like a bunch of teenaged girls. Knock it the **** off!

Would a Mod please step in and Mod this thread? I mean really Scars, isn't that what you are supposed to be doing here, keeping threads on track and trolls in control? ****ing ridiculous...

Agree, thus I will not be responding to my haters last comments. I do apologize for going along with that crap for so long. I just dont take kindly to illogical e-bullying.

Its good to see that a few members decided to call us all out and put an end to this. I too really do wish the mods would do their job a bit more. Ad hominem tends to be rampant on this forum. And I constantly tell people to attack the post, not the poster.

I'm a guy and I believe my own lies too, its the key to sound believable ..

I lol'd xD Good show mate

 

[Strelok]

I realize a mistake has been made by following and feeding that online b1tching, hope nobody got pissed off especially mods that are not paid for their patience.

 

[Zodiac]

I realize a mistake has been made by following and feeding that online b1tching, hope nobody got pissed off especially mods that are not paid for their patience.

Same here. I apologize for feeding the attention w****s ego.

 

[Jaylan]

Same here. I apologize for feeding the attention w****s ego.

When Strelok and I apologize to the forum and drop it without adding anything else to the argument....the fact that you continue to try and take pot shots at someone shows who the real attention wh0re is.

Grow up kid, this immaturity is not a good look for you.

 

[Popwer]

When Strelok and I apologize to the forum and drop it without adding anything else to the argument....the fact that you continue to try and take pot shots at someone shows who the real attention wh0re is.

Grow up kid, this immaturity is not a good look for you.

I love it when people fall back on the good old 'immaturity line'. Fact is you've just spent the past six pages arguing with someone whom you consider to be immature, what does that say about you?