Women believe their own lies.

[Strelok]

I edit as I read and add points. There is an edit button for a reason. But I am glad you continue to prove me right. Like I said, you have NO leg to stand on.

Stick to the main topic. Stop derailing.

Stop derailing after you had the last word?
Anyway this is no derailing you're the exactly the subject of this thread, a living example for everyone to observe.

 

[Jaylan]

Dude you STILL fail to argue my points at all. Its just the same baseless accusations and character attacks because you have NO way of logically counter-arguing my views.

That says a lot. You'd make a decent mud slinging politician though.

 

[Strelok]

Dude you STILL fail to argue my points at all. Its just the same baseless accusations and character attacks because you have NO way of logically counter arguing my views.

That says a lot. You'd make a decent mud slinging politician though.

Thx I take it as a great compiment, however you shouldnt pretend you dont care about what I type just to answer 5 minutes later, editing many times the posts because your emotion cannot allow you to fake indifference.

At least when you prented to be a guy.

 

[Jaylan]

Thx I take it as a great compiment, however you shouldnt pretend you dont care about what I type just to answer 5 minutes later, editing many times the posts because your emotion cannot allow you to fake indifference.

At least when you prented to be a guy.

I respond so other guys know better than to behave as you do yourself. Can you really call me out for responding quickly when you are doing the same? Its quite asinine really.

I think you need to learn to stop riding my jock through whichever threads I decide to post in. Its become down right idiotic that you seek to continue this exchange in threads week after week. Allow me to quote myself and bring an important point to light again. After which you can actually try quoting and counter arguing something for once, without dancing around subjects and bashing people.

Stop pretending like I am the only one in the forum, or the various threads I post in, that holds the opinions I do. DO YOU EVEN READ THE THREADS IN THEIR ENTIRETY?

NUMEROUS people have agreed with me on topics and spoken about the typical behavior that is rampant on sosuave over the last several years. I am noones copy, and I have varying opinions on many issues. I am, however, someone who chooses to always see the good and bad in all things. I dont carry the bias that fuels people like yourself.

You call me a "bad copy" of some other member, when the real issue is that you dislike the fact that I am not a carbon copy of the typical 2011 sosuave poster.

 

[Strelok]

I respond so other guys know better than to behave as you do yourself. Can you really call me out for responding quickly when you are doing the same? Its quite asinine really.

I think you need to learn to stop riding my jock through whichever threads I decide to post in. Its become down right idiotic that you seek to continue this exchange in threads week after week. Allow me to quote myself and bring an important point to light again. After which you can actually try quoting and counter arguing something for once, without dancing around subjects and bashing people.

Why do you reframe and repeat what I told you in this same thread few posts ago?
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1843955&postcount=42
So I'm right ,you're a parrot.

 

[Jaylan]

Explain to me how I am a parrot. There tends to be two frames of thought on this site.

1) guys who point out how evil women are and how men are modern day victims

2) everyone can be evil and you have to take people case by case.

I hold the latter view. Tell me how you are not a parrot of some posters on this board? Since you accuse me of such a thing.

EDIT: P.S. - I think you really need to quit this cycle where week by week you come into a thread seeking to create an exchange between yourself and I based on your need to attack my character. I have no problem debating with you, but stick to the points (which you never seem to do)

You waste my time, and especially yours, by repeating the same cycle over, and over, and over again. And this quote is from the linked thread you provided earlier. "A mature person would argue their point without resulting to trying to disrespect [any]one here." You should say this to yourself before addressing me in any future threads.

 

[Strelok]

Explain to me how I am a parrot. There tends to be two frames of thought on this site.

1) guys who point out how evil women are and how men are modern day victims

2) everyone can be evil and you have to take people case by case.

I hold the latter view. Tell me how you are not a parrot of some posters on this board? Since you accuse me of such a thing.

EDIT: P.S. - I think you really need to quit this cycle where week by week you come into a thread seeking to create an exchange between yourself and I based on your need to attack my character. I have no problem debating with you, but stick to the points (which you never seem to do)

You waste my time, and especially yours, by repeating the same cycle over, and over, and over again. And this quote is from the linked thread you provided earlier. "A mature person would argue their point without resulting to trying to disrespect [any]one here." You should say this to yourself before addressing me in any future threads.

Yeah we will explain you everything just read:

What atom smasher said! lol

Besides, Jaylan is a girl anyway, trolling the board :crackup:

Take a compliment when someone likes you Miss Jaylan. Personally I disagree with his choice. But hey, some guys like feminist chicks and pegging.

:yawn: Typical female. Entangling herself in arguments that don't even apply to the given topic and running around in circles with it. There's nothing more to be said.

And I'd argue that the guys you label "negative" are doing what you only claim you're doing. I've read your posts and you are a female-defender and a male-blamer. I made my point earlier in this thread and you keep twisting and sugar coating what you claim you post on here. It sure seems like I'm talking to a female here. I'm not buying it. You do not come across as a positive person that everyone likes that you claim.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen Miss Jaylan.

Jaylan,

You're a brotha? Hmmm, a brotha who used to wear make up and pain his nails? Well, that's a first... :crackup:

Oh, wait.. my bad.. Rodman did this too, but he was batsH*t crazy and I guess he did ok with chicks (hookups, not relationships obviously) lol :rockon:

hahaha, I'm still shocked these guys are even questioning Jaylan being a chick :crackup:

If you've read some of her stuff in threads, it's pretty clear this is a broad trolling the boards, not sure why you guys are even bothering.. you know what they say, you "can't win an argument with a woman" lol and if you noticed, "jaylan" was never the one to give up, always had to have the last say :crackup:

I'm not even saying I agree or disagree with what she said on here, I"m just saying,, that's a chick! lol Reading some of the posts makes it pretty clear. She even admitted she used to paint her nails and put makeup on her face and what not like a month ago or so lol :crackup:

I have no problem with women on the forum as long as they don't pretend to be men.

Equal =/= Identical. I don't know if you were clever enough to figure it out but I thought I should just lay it out there for you just in case it's beyond your scope of understanding. I know feminists tend to struggle with this simple concept.

No offense but you sound like a f*cking b!tch. You should be the last person in this place trying to tell people what a man is all about. Keep your opinions to yourself. I dare you to try and point out the last time I attempted to define masculinity. So much for "we all define what a man is" I don't recall giving my opinion to others in order for you to form an opinion about it in the first place.

You're a hopeless case. You do realize you contradicted your main arguments from several threads ago? Whatever you do please don't become a parent. I have mentioned before that most women (this includes you) have absolutely no business having children and the more you keep talking the more you further prove my point. I know I made a vow to not say anything to you but I'm concerned about a future generation of unborn children.

For the third time, Jaylan is a broad trolling the boards... LOL

If it talks like a woman, gives advice like a woman, always wants to have the last word like a woman, it's a girl!!! :crackup:

I don't believe Jaylan is a male. But even if he is there is something really off about his posts. My impression is Jaylan is a woman posing as a man thinking that her female-centric agenda will be more accepted from a "man".

You are likely in university and they are brainwashing the sh1t out of you.

Jaylan, the only people who talk like you do are feminists, manginas and BIs.. (even gay guys are aware of who the queen is)

take your pick.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uRIMUBnvw <-- this is YOU in a few years.

Jaylan: "Her listening to what you say and you calling yourself the boss means she is your subordinate. That is not treating someone as an equal, unless she could expect the same from you if she requested you to do something similar".
~

What is this gay sh!t?

You don't have your age in your profile mate - but one thing I can tell you that you are going to find out over the years - you start treating a woman as your "equal" - she will be on a one way street to "cheatsville".

You have been corrupted by a feminazi americanized mentality of how you are supposed to handle women brother. You need to cleanse your mind of what you have been taught and embrace different options. Check out the first link in my sig.

Much like you have been molded into a weak nice guy by society (like most of us recovering nice guys in this forum) the same rationale can be applied to how you are supposed to handle a woman. I wouldn't criticize Sue Madre for he is doing the right thing.

I COULD FIND EVEN MORE SEEKING ON HER POST HISTORY, I LIMITED MYSELF TO THE FIRST PAGES.


As if it wasnt enough we can find an other fake account from jaylan who has been banned
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=186407
Post nr 16

Think twice before paying attention to her

 

[Jaylan]

Yeah we will explain you everything just read:

I COULD FIND EVEN MORE SEEKING ON HER POST HISTORY, I LIMITED MYSELF TO THE FIRST PAGES.


As if it wasnt enough we can find an other fake account from jaylan who has been banned
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=186407
Post nr 16

Think twice before paying attention to her

Dude are you obsessed with me?

Below you will find links to posts of praise or agreement with me on this board. I have friends and detractors. Noone is liked by everyone. So whats your point now? Should I take a screen snap of the praise in my reputation field for the forum as well? All you did was find my haters, and I brought you those who have given me kudos, so where does that leave us?

And about my "fake" account. Is it really a fake account when I use the SAME name with a number at the end? How about when I announced to the mods that it was me just using a spare account because I was new and had no idea about the 10 post per day limit? I was in no way trying to hide my identity, and only sought to contribute to the discourse of the thread.

You really need to hop off my jock.

Heres the links. My fave is first lol

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1838703&postcount=67
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1831482&postcount=43
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1821134&postcount=20
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1838699&postcount=66
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1844109&postcount=53
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1839770&postcount=23

 

[Strelok]

Dude are you obsessed with me?

Below you will find links to posts of praise or agreement with me on this board. I have friends and detractors. Noone is liked by everyone. So whats your point now? Should I take a screen snap of the praise in my reputation field for the forum as well? All you did was find my haters, and I brought you those who have given me kudos, so where does that leave us?

And about my "fake" account. Is it really a fake account when I use the SAME name with a number at the end? How about when I announced to the mods that it was me just using a spare account because I was new and had no idea about the 10 post per day limit? I was in no way trying to hide my identity, and only sought to contribute to the discourse of the thread.

You really need to hop off my jock.

Heres the links. My fave is first lol

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1838703&postcount=67
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1831482&postcount=43
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1821134&postcount=20
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1838699&postcount=66
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1844109&postcount=53
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1839770&postcount=23

First most of those post simply say you're right on generic things like :
"some people here makes me laugh" its not a personal idea jsut a passive rant.

I got the same responces saying "I wish girls were less fat".

Second: if dozens and dozens of users had the same idea regarding you and not some other users it means you have "that something in you".
If a guy say you smell he could be wrong, if a mass of people say the same maybe it's the time you have a shower.
Anyway even brevik got positive feedbacks here and there.

 

[Zodiac]

Ah Jaylan is a chick. Makes sense why she endorses men to pick up chicks in GAY BARS.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187557

Check out post 15 and onward. Now it all makes sense.

 

[bigneil]

Imagine if Jaylan is not only a woman, but Strelok's BPD ex.

 

[Konada]

My response is in bold
Because guys never get away with crap in court....never ever right?

My point is that you guys let a few cases of sour grapes allow you to ignore the fact that people in general--man, women, and from all walks of life-- are ****ed up people.

I like how you twisted my words into an absolute statement that you can retort. I said men in general tend to get punished more often than females if they commit the same degree of crime. Just look around, it doesn't take an Einstein to see the double standard exist in society.

While I still do agree majority of people are fvcked up in this world, women tend to get more leniency as compared to men. Hell, we live in a world where women are supposedly equal to men, yet a greater deal of leniency is shown?? I believe men have seen this double standard and depise women who manipulate this into their favour.

Take for example: http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187615
I am willing to bet that this b!tch will still receive alimony and child support even though the lame ass basis forthe divorce is 'Oh, he's too nice with providing me everything I want and need. I'm bored.'

As you said, these women are 'sour grapes' and logical hate eventually turns into blind hate as these incidents perpatuate themselves. This is where I agree with you when people start labelling every woman as a 'demon' bent on destroying your soul and life by default.

 

[Jaylan]

First most of those post simply say you're right on generic things like :
"some people here makes me laugh" its not a personal idea jsut a passive rant.

I got the same responces saying "I wish girls were less fat".

Second: if dozens and dozens of users had the same idea regarding you and not some other users it means you have "that something in you".
If a guy say you smell he could be wrong, if a mass of people say the same maybe it's the time you have a shower.
Anyway even brevik got positive feedbacks here and there.

I knew you would be easily dismissive of my post. I think you need to read those links I posted better. Or perhaps the threads as well. What I am being quoted on is not general stuff. But of course since those posts agree with me, you chose to ignore the context of those threads. I mean, of course only posts that agree with you could be valid If my links are generic and passive responses then I could say the same for what you provided.

Basically your quoted posters behave just as you do. If one says something they disagree with or one has an alternate opinion to theirs, its immediately deemed feministic and one is branded a woman. Its a rather sad response that does nothing to logically counter argue the point at hand. Its generally an emotional response (sound familiar) that uses the words feminine and masculine subjectively.

Yes subjective, not every collective opinion of whats masculine and feminine is agreed with across the board by most people. Personally I seek to maintain an egalitarian perspective without male or female bias. All I ever do in threads is point out that everyone can be cool or suck as well. And I also state that I wish to find an equal partner, not a woman who needs to know her place. Noone needs to "know their place" in a relationship. Its a partnership and folks work together. There are different places to be had nowadays.

Regarding your second point. Sosuave is a smaller subset of a small subset of society. So why should I care if I am going against the grain of the typical realm of thought here and some posters want to call me wrong? People's opinion of myself and my beliefs do not affect how I cohose to live or think, so I need to make no change.

Like I said, Sosuave is a subset of a subset. Some of the things touted on this forum conflict with other PUA groups and communities. And the whole PUA community in general is a rather small piece of society and most guys have no idea what it is. So I am puzzled why you think I would alter my behavior because of what a few bias and bitter anonymous internet posters think.

Especially one who consistently accuses me of being a women, yet he is the one who follows me from thread to thread seeking to spark an exchange with me as if hes got some little crush.

Dude from now on how about you learn to just Hop Off My Junk, like I keep telling you. No need to constantly go back and forth with this. Its pointless and gets you no where. Plus I am sick of threads derailing because of it.

Ah Jaylan is a chick. Makes sense why she endorses men to pick up chicks in GAY BARS.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187557

Check out post 15 and onward. Now it all makes sense.

Really dude? You are gonna join in on this ridiculously immature tactic? Are you gonna call all the other posters in that thread who hold my position women as well? Btw, the fact that on some nights more straight and bi women are in some gay bars instead of some sausage fest straight bars does tell you a lot. You go where the poon is, or is that less macho because its in a gay bar? Even though those dudes were telling you how much easier it was to game women.

All I ever said is that I could never really see myself doing something like that but I didnt have a problem with those who did. Its not my business what they do and it doesnt bother me none. You do realize not every straight guy has the "ew gay dudes" response when anything regarding gay people comes up.

But I guess this is how sosuave is.

"Hmmm I disagree with what that person said, so I am gonna call them a woman. Of course everyone will agree with me because real men think 'this' way or 'that' way. People couldnt possibly be complex individuals with thoughts and behaviors independent of their collective gender" /sarcasm

Shame I am too lazy and dont care enough to start a youtube channel to shut some of you up. But then you would call all those who dont agree with every single piece of PUA mantra a feminized male. I digress.

Imagine if Jaylan is not only a woman, but Strelok's BPD ex.

Imagine if bigneil wasn't a jock riding troll.

I like how you twisted my words into an absolute statement that you can retort. I said men in general tend to get punished more often than females if they commit the same degree of crime. Just look around, it doesn't take an Einstein to see the double standard exist in society.

While I still do agree majority of people are fvcked up in this world, women tend to get more leniency as compared to men. Hell, we live in a world where women are supposedly equal to men, yet a greater deal of leniency is shown?? I believe men have seen this double standard and depise women who manipulate this into their favour.

Take for example: http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187615
I am willing to bet that this b!tch will still receive alimony and child support even though the lame ass basis forthe divorce is 'Oh, he's too nice with providing me everything I want and need. I'm bored.'

As you said, these women are 'sour grapes' and logical hate eventually turns into blind hate as these incidents perpatuate themselves. This is where I agree with you when people start labelling every woman as a 'demon' bent on destroying your soul and life by default.

I did not twist any words. Re read what we both originally said.

Two parts to this response.

1) While women do get lesser sentences than men when it comes to crime, you should blame men for this. Firstly, because we commit the vast majority of crimes which causes us to be punished more severely. Secondly, because men take pity on women offenders or believe their shady sounding stories. Like what you mentioned about Casey Anthony. This doesnt however mean that men dont ever get away with stuff too. Just definitely not as much.

Sure I would love to see equal treatment and punishment for all, but most folks, especially a lot of guys here, dont believe in equality and a lack of bias across the board. This is apparent in numerous threads. All the talk of female entitlement and women needing to know their place only makes the collective cause of boards like this hypocritical. Many things said here smack of entitlement as well. Lets be honest about this bro.

Everyone should be allowed to have equal choice and treatment across the board. And also equal freedom of choice.

2) You act as if women getting leniency in punishment is the main reason why some dudes or angry or bitter at them. Thats just part of it but not the root cause. The root cause it dudes being upset that women either didnt let them smash, dumped them, used them, broke their heart, or ruined them mentally, financially or emotionally.

Outside of financial ruin all of those other things men do to women as well. So for every case of some vapid, selfish cvnt who screws a guy for alimony, there are women who busted their ass being stay at home moms just to get played by a bad husband as well. It goes both ways and thats all I have been saying.

For all the crap thats ever talked about that women apparently get away with, men get away with just as much. Not to mention women get away with stuff because of the men in power. And about power, some here love to conveniently forget that men control everything in the world, so the blame starts with us.

The big problem a lot of the time is that some of you argue one part of my main point instead of understanding the whole thing. You have to look at the root causes, and at the same time realize humans are flawed as a whole. Theres blame for both sides, but it originated with those in power who let crap get out of hand.

 

[Zodiac]

Really dude? You are gonna join in on this ridiculously immature tactic? Are you gonna call all the other posters in that thread who hold my position women as well?

*Yawn* A mod, numerous posters and myself all come to the same conclusion so we all are "immature." I bet you win every argument with that mindset.... at least in your mind.

*Tick number one of women tactics to win a fight*

Btw, the fact that on some nights more straight and bi women are in some gay bars instead of some sausage fest straight bars does tell you a lot. You go where the poon is, or is that less macho because its in a gay bar? Even though those dudes were telling you how much easier it was to game women.

Last time I checked in the thread I made, more people say your view is wrong. Hell the only field report in there says he got a feel, lost a camera but did not get anything else. How is that better than shelling out a cover charge to a strip club, downing a few beers and seeing a naked woman? Hell actually going to a strip club has a GUARANTEED chance to see some nudity which is a lot better than going "Hehehe I touched a boobie. Yippie!!!".

If we follow your advice, and others in the minority in that thread, we are at a better chance to be another sausage in a sausage fest, BY THE DESIGN of the club, at having the sausages hitting on us and ruining our chances at getting a taste of poon. Again I have to ask; how going to a club meant for sausages seeking other sausages not sending a backwards message to the women there?

*Tick number 2*

All I ever said is that I could never really see myself doing something like that but I didnt have a problem with those who did. Its not my business what they do and it doesnt bother me none. You do realize not every straight guy has the "ew gay dudes" response when anything regarding gay people comes up.

And I gave my reasons WHY I don't like those establishments along with reasons why I think others should not go there. You have not gone to one judging by your opinion I have quoted. I also don't have the opinion of "Ew gay dudes" as I grew up around them constantly as my high school had a large number of homosexuals and transgender people along with a Chapter of the Gay Straight Alliance (Something for another discussion of why I don't like them.) so I have no opinion of them overall.

I do have a problem of a man bending another man over and giving it to him on the wall near a urinal. Why do I have to see that while I attend to my business in there?

But I guess this is how sosuave is.

"Hmmm I disagree with what that person said, so I am gonna call them a woman. Of course everyone will agree with me because real men think 'this' way or 'that' way. People couldnt possibly be complex individuals with thoughts and behaviors independent of their collective gender" /sarcasm

Taking a look at your posts over time is what gives me the reasoning of why I think you have a vagina and nothing else. Just because I don't post that often doesn't mean I don't browse this site. Remember; I have been here since 2008.

Shame I am too lazy and dont care enough to start a youtube channel to shut some of you up. But then you would call all those who dont agree with every single piece of PUA mantra a feminized male. I digress.Imagine if bigneil wasn't a jock riding troll.

And male shaming tactic number 3 in one post.

*Tick number 3*

DING DING DING WE HAVE A VAGINA HERE!!! Your prize is everyone with a brain knows your real goals and why you recommended a GAY BAR for picking up STRAIGHT CHICK to STRAIGHT MEN and ignore the posts like mine where I say the reasons why i don't like them which happen to be rampant gay sex in the open when I'm trying to urinate. That is my reason, a legitimate one at that, and for you to mention the male shaming tactics you do in almost every post you make, does not help your case to "prove" you aren't packing a vagina.

 

[macagent]

In modern egalitarian society, why should equality not exist?

Don't believe I've ever met an un-indoctrinated male who actually believes this statement.

Equality doesn't exist, because this "Egalitarian Society" you speak of is a myth. There is nothing egalitarian about our society. Perhaps we are moving that way, however, based on observations of other animals on this planet, "equality" is not a priority which has been selected for over the past several hundred thousand years. Females are not equal to males, and males are not equal to females. We do however balance quite nicely, as we were originally designed to do.

This whole concept of equals is mistaken, and merely an intellectuallizing of where some think we should go as a society. We like to think of ourselves as evolved and aware, but we are just pretending in our evolutionary adolescence to be more grown up than we are. With "equality" we are forcing something un-natural onto our social construct, based solely on our arrogant and incomplete understanding of how things really are.

That being said, equal rights, equal opportunity, and equal protection under the law are the societal equalities I will pursue for myself and my children, but societal homogenization of males and females is a misguided, and destructive, attempt to change something we have very little conscious understanding of.

As for the OP's buddy, poor ****er is asking for it. She will cheat and lie again, because that behavior has been made OK by him. She'll then justify it to herself and friends, and heap the guilt and shame on him while walking out the door with his child. Tell him there is someone better, himself!

 

[JD57]

Nobody is blaming your friend. Nothing justifies a wife cheating. But the fact of the matter is women do these sort of thing to men they no longer respect.

When a woman respects you as a man she will not flirt or look at any other guys because in her mind she thinks she has the alpha male of the tribe waiting at home.

Being a strong male reduces the chances of being cheated on, but doesn't always prevent it.
The quality PUA stuff improves your odds at getting women, but failures still outnumber success by a lot.

 

[crazyboy]

Most of time i agree with jaylan because he take an open view to subject instead constanstly bashing women. I mean i wouldn't go to gay bar to pick up girls i better off just going to a starbucks. Most his statement are stating the obvious women act this way because men allow them too. There use be a level respect for married women. Thats respect is gone now you women cheating all around. Women get all these benefits in court because of guys like you that think that women aren't equal so they give them money and lesser charges. Its not a women faults for acting in there nature. Its our faults for acting upon ours. A woman would automatically follow a masculine male who a dominant behavior and beat her ***** up. Those two thing would pretty much make a woman yours. But since most men don't have that masculine mentality they ended trying reason with women or try think like her. When in all actually if you think and act like man you would see for what it is. A woman thats blowing off steam and wanted to be listen too or "feel" like her opinion matters. To keep simiple for some you guys treat your woman like she your assisant.

Listen complains , occasionaly show appriecation, couple compliments, make sure she has place with you and **** her brains out. Thats how you handle most sane women. sane being the keyword.

 

[Jaylan]

*Yawn* A mod, numerous posters and myself all come to the same conclusion so we all are "immature." I bet you win every argument with that mindset.... at least in your mind.

*Tick number one of women tactics to win a fight*

You guys are hilarious.

Did you know one of the mods who attacked me actually later PM'd me and after we got over our misunderstanding acknowledged that some posters here are close minded and childish?

And you say numerous posters came to a conclusion...well numerous posters have come to different conclusions about me which I provided in a few links in a previous post. Would you like more links to opinions. You can look right above this post as well. I have buddies and haters on this board...so wheres that leave us?

And spare me the talk about tactics. When one uses a tactic to disagree with the typical thought of this board, its a womens tactic. However the same tactic could be used, along with the typical insult slinging some of you do, and noone calls it a womens tactic when it defends the typical sosuave viewpoint. And the funny thing is, if I used name calling and character attacks the way many guys here do, my haters would be quick to call it a womans tactic when they do it themselves.

How the hell you gonna judge someone by different standards than which you judge yourself?

Last time I checked in the thread I made, more people say your view is wrong. Hell the only field report in there says he got a feel, lost a camera but did not get anything else. How is that better than shelling out a cover charge to a strip club, downing a few beers and seeing a naked woman? Hell actually going to a strip club has a GUARANTEED chance to see some nudity which is a lot better than going "Hehehe I touched a boobie. Yippie!!!".

If we follow your advice, and others in the minority in that thread, we are at a better chance to be another sausage in a sausage fest, BY THE DESIGN of the club, at having the sausages hitting on us and ruining our chances at getting a taste of poon. Again I have to ask; how going to a club meant for sausages seeking other sausages not sending a backwards message to the women there?

*Tick number 2*

You wanna talk about what most people think? We are on a website that is a super small subset of society. Basically you are saying "if most people say something, then thats the correct frame of thought" Thats idiotic at best, especially considering that a lot of talk on this forum is about how "just because a lot of people says something is so, doesnt make it so" Your premise is therefore flawed.

We are not dealing in absolutes. Some people held my viewpoint, and some people held the opposite viewpoint. As I said in the other thread, dudes I know who have been cool with the lgbt community tend to do very well with women in general. And thus end up hooking up with cool azz bi chicks. I have done this numerous times myself. Funny thing these gals tell me theres more poon at their clubs then sausage fest straight clubs these days.

It really depends on the venue though.

And I gave my reasons WHY I don't like those establishments along with reasons why I think others should not go there. You have not gone to one judging by your opinion I have quoted. I also don't have the opinion of "Ew gay dudes" as I grew up around them constantly as my high school had a large number of homosexuals and transgender people along with a Chapter of the Gay Straight Alliance (Something for another discussion of why I don't like them.) so I have no opinion of them overall.

I do have a problem of a man bending another man over and giving it to him on the wall near a urinal. Why do I have to see that while I attend to my business in there?

You were at a strictly, or more targeted toward male establishment. Hell I agree that people need to be decent folks in public.

But as someone who used to hit up raves, ive seen tons of wild sh!t done by all sorts of people.

"Hmmm I disagree with what that person said, so I am gonna call them a woman. Of course everyone will agree with me because real men think 'this' way or 'that' way. People couldnt possibly be complex individuals with thoughts and behaviors independent of their collective gender" /sarcasm

Originally posted by Zodiac

Taking a look at your posts over time is what gives me the reasoning of why I think you have a vagina and nothing else. Just because I don't post that often doesn't mean I don't browse this site. Remember; I have been here since 2008.

How did this at all address my point? Explain how my calling out the typical tactic used by one sided posters on this board makes me out to be a woman. You basically did what I originally described. Instead of attacking my point, you simply disagreed and called me a woman without breaking my point down and providing a counter argument.

Case and point.

And male shaming tactic number 3 in one post.

*Tick number 3*

DING DING DING WE HAVE A VAGINA HERE!!! Your prize is everyone with a brain knows your real goals and why you recommended a GAY BAR for picking up STRAIGHT CHICK to STRAIGHT MEN and ignore the posts like mine where I say the reasons why i don't like them which happen to be rampant gay sex in the open when I'm trying to urinate. That is my reason, a legitimate one at that, and for you to mention the male shaming tactics you do in almost every post you make, does not help your case to "prove" you aren't packing a vagina.

My favorite part of your reply right here. Like I said before, its funny how some of you are picky and selective with your use of logic and rationale. When I defend my posts with a point or show indifference, you call it a male shaming tactic.

But when you guys defend your posts, in any way, even if its in an attacking manner, you dont call it shaming. You guy do the exact thing you accuse me of. If I behaved like any of my detractors, out would come the wolves with all these same accusations of shaming and being a woman...when in fact you perform these tactics yourselves.

You are just so emotionally invested in your argument and want to "win" so badly that you dont equally scrutinize yourself and I.

Btw, I did not really advocate going to Gay bars. I mostly said I see why straight guys do it to get girls. I said I understand it and its not my cup of tea. Why twist my words and put words in my mouth.

Hell dude, try not working at gay bars that cater to mostly dudes. From what my chick friends say of the ones most lesbians and bi women attend, alot of you haters would love the bars they hit up on lezzie nights.

And quit talking about shaming. If anything some of you try to shame anything you disagree with. The only thing I ever try to shame is outright negativity. I always see both sides of things. What I think some of you need to learn is how to fully read and understand my points. Instead of jumping on one part you dislike, try to truly comprehend the entire point.

I couldn't care less if you guys think I am a woman. I merely respond so when others see these threads or the archives, they dont get peer pressured into one realm of thought. And also so they dont have a negative, bitter, or bias view regarding the various things we debate on.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Jaylan -- stay up man -- don't let the haters get under your skin.

Keep on your path to good things.

 

[perseverance]

I honestly don't know how a person can cheat on their partner, to me that's worse than getting beaten to a pulp. I'd rather take a beating from a group of men than have a woman cheat on me.

There is no justification for cheating on your partner, whether she is your girlfriend or wife, it doesn't matter. If a person is unhappy in their relationship then they should a) work on fixing the problems or b) split up and play away while they're single.

I'd hate to be the girl that cheats on me because when I am highly distressed I can switch and become extremely aggressive and in some cases violent. Nobody wants that, least of all me.

As far as I am concerned low quality people are people with little or no morals and are the ones who sleep with taken women/cheat on their partners.

As for the institute of marriage, no thank you. I'll gladly have a LTR and I might even have children, but I won't marry, ever! A waste of money and a kiss of death for many relationships.