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slaog said:
Likewise a person who cheats usually cheats because that person was thinking about it. The more it's thought about the more likely it is to happen. In the 50's if a woman had a chance to cheat she would have been shocked at the thought of it. Nowadays it's all over the gutter media about celebraties cheating.
In the 50's women cheated less because it was less socially acceptable, but moreso because she had less opportunuity. She wasn't in the workplace. She didn't have a cell phone or email or myspace. Today its EASY to cheat. Meet coworker, start texting coworker, meet up for a "quick drink" after work, and BAM!

Likewise if we think all women want to cheat or will easily cheat then we're more likely to end up with a cheater and then probably make excuses like it's in the womans nature.
It IS in a woman's nature to cheat, as it is in a mans nature to cheat. Has nothing to do with making excuses. It happens. No amount of wishing is going to change this.

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I miss those signature STR8 posts from you ...

" This 22 year old bisexual nympho was all over me last Saturday night at my place. She wanted me real bad inspite of the two ripped hunks who escorted her to my bash which was paid for by my latest client and cost him $40k, but is was a "business investment " for him...blahblahblahblahblah.....
Way to counter there chief. More proof that rather than address something properly you go off on tangents.

I thought it was only women who have selective hearing, or in this case selective interpretation of written words.

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First, I have to say I resent the claim that I'm merely trying to perserve the idea that we are some god-like beings as my motivator to disagree with you. I disagree with you based on ideaology, not because of my ego.
My theory is that those who hold this silly idea that people have "transcended the influence of nature" do so out of a need to feel that we are some kind of superior beings. Why else would there even be an argument?

The fact we have a brain capable of building skyscrapers means our race have the potential to do the opposite as well. Again, as I said too, we are not beings given the ability that completely seperate us men from the animals, I actually said that we are only degrees in abilities different. I said that just above the direct address to you, in address to Rob's post. So to say I'm trying to argue to keep the god-like entity alive is not correct, right above I said are just smater animals too.

Again, I was trying to argue earlier, is our motivation, as for example as your art project, while can be view as more peacocking. I would imagine you derived much enjoyment from the hobby. I'm not trying to complicate, I'm trying to say that the details have weight too, even it may add some complication.
Okay, so we are somewhat on the same page.

My case is that although you can turn it upside down and inside out all you want, everything comes right back around to the fact that the base motivation is nature.

Do we have "fun" when we go out and throw a football around and tackle each other on a 100 yard field? Of course. That is what greases the wheels, but it isn't the spark that ignites the engine or the fuel that propels it forward.

We do it because it is the modern day mans equivalent of the battlefield. Men do manly things because it is a conspicuous display of our manhood. Who got the pu$$y in high school? The quarterback did.

Your stance is that we as humans do things for "enjoyment" which is a primary motivator to cause us to perform an action. I'm saying that this enjoyment is akin to the pleasure you receive from an orgasm. Would we have sex if it wasn't pleasurable? Of course not. There has to be an incentive for behavior. You gain pleasure from these activities that are exclusive to humans because it serves a bigger purpose.

Make sense?
 

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slaog said:
This is a debate about strength of character. A person with a strong character will not let any emotions or feelings control them. Certainly if that person has standards he/she'll stick to those standards.


Lets approach this from another angle. I believe in the law of attraction 100%. You get what you focus on. Not that it's easy it isn't but generally it's true.


A brain is nothing more then a tool for the real you to explore the world. From a young age as you begin to grow up you will begin to see things in a certain way. Your brain (which is like a muscle as somebody mentioned) will adopt to the way you see the world. Yes thats right you're brain adapts to you and not you behaving in a certain way because your brain is a certain way.


Take alcoholics for example. Most people presume that because they drank too much the brain got used to the alcohol and eventually it started to want it more and more. People presume that it's the brains fault but no it isn't. It's the persons fault for actually focusing on alcohol and nothing else. The person made alcohol the center of his/her thoughts and that persons reality adapted accordingly. The brain got trained to want alcohol.


Likewise a person who cheats usually cheats because that person was thinking about it. The more it's thought about the more likely it is to happen. In the 50's if a woman had a chance to cheat she would have been shocked at the thought of it. Nowadays it's all over the gutter media about celebraties cheating.


Likewise if we think all women want to cheat or will easily cheat then we're more likely to end up with a cheater and then probably make excuses like it's in the womans nature.
Well done.
 

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Hmmm...

I'm just testing here...

I think I may be banned from your forum, as twice I have made posts, and right after they say it has gone for moderation, and yet, my posts never show up.

If one of the mods has banned me, I don't really give a crap, but at least tell me so that I don't waste a half hour typing out some ****e that disappears into the cyber-lost-laundry-space, like a sock with too many holes in it.

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GAK! It just happened again! This is getting silly.

Sorry guys, I have it saved on Word, but, if your forum doesn't let me paste it, nor type it out longhand... well... I have talked on forums before where all of **** disappeared 50% of the time... and, it was a waste of time.
 
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Well, that one worked, lol!

Here is my post (I'm not totally stunned, I usually write my posts on Word, and then transfer them).

There is a book out there called Sex and Culture which was written by JD Unwin in the 1930's. He was an anthropologist who adhered to Freudian psychology.

Mr. Unwin took it upon himself to study over 80 cultures from the past, in regard to sexuality. He wound up being very pissed off because everything because everything that he discovered completely contradicted his beliefs up until that point (Freudanism), but, unlike nitwit academics of the modern day, he had the moral fortitude to report his findings accurately, despite it contradicting with his life-long beliefs.

He discovered that "female freedom" is 100% related to sexuality (and economics). And, he discovered that female sexual freedom is anti-civilization.

You cannot "liberate" women without giving them 100% license to screw men indiscriminately. He discovered that women will not stay with one man, but, in fact, will always behave as they do today.

He discovered that divorce, child support, and alimony has existed many, many times in the past. The Babylonians had child support and divorce. (The Babylonians rose up from the ashes of the Sumeran civilization, thereby linking it to the oldest civilization known to mankind.)

He also discovered that when female sexuality/freedom peaked (as it is doing today), the civilization soon destroyed itself within but a few generations. And then, the remnants of that civilization became highly embittered towards women and were cruelly misogynistic towards them (like killing them for adultery), and this cruel misogyny would again lead to a new civilization creating itself from the ashes of the old one... and eventually, over time, the natural male's "mangina-ness" would again give women more and more freedom, and this cycle simply repeats itself, over and over again - throughout history - nearly universally. (For example - as Darius III was getting his ass handed to him by Alexander the Great, he lamented "My men have become women, and my women have become men." Feminist cultures universally die, or live as "savages." All civilizations tend to swirl towards feminism - in all of nature, the male is the servant of the female. Even with plants.)

It is the old story of the yin and yang. The one takes over the other, and then gets taken over again in a never ending cycle. (A truly "progressive" society therefore, would seek to stop this cycle at some point where both genders achieve some sort of equal fairness and happiness, while still acknowledging that certain goalposts must remain).

This stuff women are doing today is not new. It is very, very old. In fact, it seems more accurate to say that the socialization which prevented women from behaving like this has been removed - rather than women magically became like this - we are witnessing woman in all her slutty, natural glory - her "suppressors" have been removed, and THIS is natural woman - not a pretty sight, eh?

Women have always been hostile towards men. In the book of Judges, there is a woman who snuck up on her husband as he slept and drove a tent peg through his temple - just like the Mary Winkler's of today.

Joseph was falsley accused of rape by Potiphar's wife, for her own nefarious purposes, and manginas came from far and wide to defend the lying woman and toss the man in prison, just as we do today.

Belfort Bax, a British anti-feminist writer during the time of the suffragettes and beyond (my great great great grandpa?), wrote much about female behaviour. He noted that as soon as the first female judges took to the bench, they instantly shifted the blame from of prostitution away from the soliciting prostitute, and onto the consumer male, and females felt the males shoudl be punished just as heavily as the prostitute, or more. (Kinda like treating the guy who buys and smokes a mere joint as an equal criminal as the guy who grows and sells it - and makes money from it). Mr Bax also noted that everytime a female judge made such a claim, that there were no shortage of manginas in the gallery who lept to their feet to cheer "hear, hear!"

Not much has changed.

Mr. Bax followed court cases in which he described 14 year old boys being criminally charged for having sex with 16 year old girls, who got off scott free, despite overwhelming evidence that the girl had been the sexual aggressor. Again, sound familiar?

Bax also discussed the theatrical industry of the day, and noted how it was absolutely necessary for playwrights to protray women as victims of evil males, and never the other way around - despite overwhelming evidence that this notion is anti-reality. Not much different than TV today, eh?

In the time of the suffragettes, the special dearies chanted "If women had the vote, there would be no more war." Today, this has merely morphed into "If a woman were President, there would be no more war."

The psychology is consistent, and women are always anti-male.

Tolstoy claimed that he had discovered the "secret" about women, but that he refused to share that secret with anyone until he was in his coffin, so that as soon as he said it, he could pull the lid over him and rest in peace.

One might think that Tolstloy didn't really tell us anything... or did he?

Of course, you have to stop reading the filthy censored garbage that fills academia today.

I view anything written post WWII with great suspicion. You would be shocked to find out how much of what we are talking about was general knowledge to the population a century ago... and, even moreso, when reading up on feminist (and Marxist) theorists of the past few decades, you will discover that the "intelligentsia feminists" firmly acknowledged all of these things were a reality as well - The Great Walrus, Andrea Dworkin, for example. (Most of the feminists you meet are mere useful idiots).

The thing is, because most feminists are Marxists (albeit many unwittingly), and Marxism is based firmly in Darwinism, they believe that because of evolution, that "The Truth is Relative." (As first developed by Hegel, with his Dialectical).

Because of evolution, what was true yesterday is no longer true today - agreed?

Therefore, what is true today, may not be true tomorrow.

Also, because of evolution (their theories - not mine), mankind can be forced into an evolutionary direction and the future "truths" can be altered towards man's will. This is the basis for all of our social engineering programs and those programs are the basis of Humanism (Man is God). Psycologists and Sociologists are our new priests - or voodoo doctors. We can "evolve" humans into equlity, or evolve them out of homophobia (always via totalitarianism, btw).

The Bible, of course, cannot exist within this paradigm. God is the beginning and the end, remember? He never changes. He is an absolute. If absolutes exist, then Darwinism is dead. If absolutes don't exist, then Christianity is dead. Marxism/feminism and the Bible simply cannot co-exist within the same space because they are eachother's anti-thesis. This is why there is such a war against Christianity, the foundation of our civilization. (And you don't have to be a Bible banger to recognize that - you just have to be smarter than political correctoids.)

Anyway, I could give you thousands of example that women have always been this way..., really, all you have to do is look, which most people don't - and again, look pre-WWII, and then go back to the beginning of time if you wish. Virtually everything has been censored because feminists feel that history was too misogynist. They even admit they are revising history in feminine terms, not accurate terms - remember, they are monkeying with your brain, and trying to induce psychological evolution upon you according to their Marxist agenda.

Here is a really good example of a poor man, suffering at the hands of his shrew wife - this was written 700 years ago, certainly at the "height" of the Patriarchy:

hxxp://www.theabsolute.net/misogyngy/matheol.html

This female clock is really driving me mad, for her quarrelsome din doesn't stop for a moment. The tongue of a quarrelsome woman never tires of chiming in. She even drowns out the sound of a church bell. A nagging wife couldn't care less whether her words are wise or foolish, provided that the sound of her own voice can be heard. She simply pursues her own ends; there's not a grain of sense in what she says; in fact, she finds it impossible to have a decent thought. She doesn't want her husband to be the boss and finds fault with everything he does. Rightly or wrongly, the husband has no choice: he has to put up with the situation and keep his mouth shut if he wants to remain in one piece. No man, however self disciplined or clear sighted he may be, can protect himself adequately against this. A husband has to like what the wife likes, and disapprove of what she hates and criticize what she criticizes so that she appears to be right. So anyone who wishes to immolate himself upon the altar of marriage will have a lot to put up with. Fifteen times, both night and day, he will suffer without respite and he will be sorely tormented. Indeed, I believe that this torture is worse than the torments of hell, with its chains, fire and iron.
 

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thedeparted said:
Wives disrespect husbands because there is no cost to doing so and it makes them feel good. What is he realistically gonna do about it? What leverage does he have in the relationship? This is why I feel that marriage often *ruins* a relationship. B/c once she has all the cards, she no longer has to behave, and it's downhill from there
I think DEPARTED hit it with this. This is the basis of STR8's married friend's predicament - he's not respectable and therefore his wife feels she doesn't owe him any due respect in her estimation of him nor in her own behaviors as a result of this. There is nothing motivating a genuine desire in her to outwardly express (in behavior) an acknowledged respect. This is the Desire Dynamic. Uncoerced behavior is the only verifiable indicator of intent and the factors that motivate intent. In other words, I can force a person to behave as I wish them to, but I cannot make them genuinely DESIRE to behave that way unprompted. That genuine, intrinsic desire can be manipulated in someone over time, but this must come as the result of an internalization within that person. In fact this principle is the foundation for AFCs changing their minds about themselves and transition into positive masculinity; as opposed to merely aping PUA's behaviors and scripts.

In STR8's friend's case, it's a lack of genuine respect that prompts her behavior. He could force her to behave respectfully with him by any number of means (walking away, ultimatums, moral obligation guilt or otherwise refusing to tolerate the behavior), however, he cannot make her, genuinely, intrinsically, respect him (and then manifest it in her behavior) - SHE must come to this acknowledgment of her own accord. Behavior prompted by obligation is not an indicator of genuine desire.

This then leads to the Cardinal Rule of Relationships:
In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

The guy tolerates his wife's behavior because on some level of awareness he interprets his need for her is greater than her need for him. Conversely, she behaves as a manifestation of her own awareness that she needs him less and he needs her more. This perception is at the core of any relationship not based upon genuine, desired, mutual respect.

The mistake is to think that a woman, wife, GF should pay due respect to a man in her behaviors, unbidden and unearned as a moral obligation. This is generally the first recourse for men frustrated by that lack of genuine desire - she ought to owe him respect. I forget if it was JOPHIL or GURU that started the thread about commanding respect as opposed to demanding respect, but this is a very good illustration of my point here. Demanding respect implies obligation, Commanding respect can only be accomplished intrinsically.
 

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Rob I think the admin of the forum has put a length limit on how big our posts can be.

Also if you were banned it would say banned under your name.

Oh yeah and what is annoying about this site but is probably common on other sites is if you spend a lot of time writing your post in the post box on this site and then try and click submit the server sometimes hangs forever and your message doesn't go through so instead of doing that if I'm making a giant post I'll usually copy it to wordpad after I'm done creating it here and then I'll refresh the site and find the topic I want to reply to again by newly seeking it out to reply in with my copy and pasted post and then it usually works and goes through.

About the post length limit again...

If your post is too large usually you'll come to a screen that says you have to shorten it by so and so many words or characters.

What most posters do to get around this is they break their post up in half and post the other half with their next reply.

Also we have a 10 posts limit on this forum where I think it refreshes and restarts every 1440 minutes or something like that so at times where you find you can't post in the future it just means you have to wait days or hours for your time to be up so you can post again, it doesn't mean a mod is deleting your posts or banning you from posting.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
There is nothing motivating a genuine desire in her to outwardly express (in behavior) an acknowledged respect. This is the Desire Dynamic. Uncoerced behavior is the only verifiable indicator of intent and the factors that motivate intent. In other words, I can force a person to behave as I wish them to, but I cannot make them genuinely DESIRE to behave that way unprompted. That genuine, intrinsic desire can be manipulated in someone over time, but this must come as the result of an internalization within that person. In fact this principle is the foundation for AFCs changing their minds about themselves and transition into positive masculinity; as opposed to merely aping PUA's behaviors and scripts.
That is awesome. I'm so glad other people are finally recognizing the difference between true personal development and just faking being alpha. Too many guys focus on outer-game when inner-game is where it's all really at.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
In STR8's friend's case, it's a lack of genuine respect that prompts her behavior.
The thing is, I'm not calling attention to this because it is a rare occurrence; I am seeing it play out over and over again.

It seems that women are becoming free to run amok. Of course this doesn't happen with a Real Man who has a "quality" woman who "loves" him, but it seems to be increasingly more prevalent for women to behave this way.

We have had the whole nature and nurture debate and I am still firmly of the belief that biology will always prevail in the end, but this is absolutely a case of women's entitlement attitude and lack of consequences for their actions.

This ties in with the fact that women KNOW they have a "plan B" even if it isn't with the guy they really want, and sometimes as long as they aren't lonely they are willing to sacrifice quality in a man simply because they know that no matter what, they will always have a steady stream of men who are willing to at least gove them ATTENTION if not more. in other words, with the abundance of AFC's willing to put up with a woman's BS they are more likely to push the limits with their S.O.. The only thing that seems to counteract this with a lot of women is when they have their sights set on a "A" guy. They are highly unlikely to push their luck with that guy.
 

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STR8UP said:
in other words, with the abundance of AFC's willing to put up with a woman's BS they are more likely to push the limits with their S.O.. The only thing that seems to counteract this with a lot of women is when they have their sights set on a "A" guy. They are highly unlikely to push their luck with that guy.
What makes a man the "A" guy you speak of is neither looks or wealth. It is the initial attraction + character. Looks and wealth will open the door but in itself will never win first place.

When I state character, I mean the ability to put oneself first and not compromising self respect or integrity for the woman. When a woman sees there is no room for negotiation of the frame and manipulation cannot prosper, she surrenders. This is when the "A" guy is realized.
 

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STR8UP said:
.... but this is absolutely a case of women's entitlement attitude and lack of consequences for their actions.

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I agree.
 

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When I state character, I mean the ability to put oneself first and not compromising self respect or integrity for the woman. When a woman sees there is no room for negotiation of the frame and manipulation cannot prosper, she surrenders. This is when the "A" guy is realized.
I learned that truth the hard way - by bitter personal experience.
When i thought about it long and hard I also realized that this is the principle behind military discipline and order.

I was trained as an army officer to seek unquestioning loyalty and compliance from my troops. I knew how to extract the best from them by NOT relying on their individual " desire" to comply. The "desire principle" is a weak motivator . "Desire" can waver and wax and wane according to an individuals mood and a myriad of other factors.

What motivated the troops was an instilled and internalised sense of duty and obligation coupled with a clear knowledge of the consequences of non compliance.

Read this last sentence and apply it to modern western women.

How much "duty and obligation" exists in them today ? How strongly do they believe that they "owe" their man ,respect and admiration and unconditional loyalty ?
They did, back in the day.

The other day I was talking to a school guidance officer who was proudly promoting his latest philosophy in regard to motivating students , " There can be no compliance without ownership"...

I am still laughing at that one.
 

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jophil28 said:
" There can be no compliance without ownership"...
This statement is correct and makes the art of selection quite easy.

On another board, a woman stated "She will do what she wants regardless of her man's tradition, boundaries or upbringing".

How many women do you know that share this mentality?

So I ask once again, whose fault is it? The woman or the man who does not walk away?
 

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STR8UP said:
In the 50's women cheated less because it was less socially acceptable, but moreso because she had less opportunuity. She wasn't in the workplace. She didn't have a cell phone or email or myspace. Today its EASY to cheat. Meet coworker, start texting coworker, meet up for a "quick drink" after work, and BAM!

I don't agree with that at all. Women and society today are being bombarded with with all sorts of messages from the media. Celebraties are cheating all the time and there the ones who seem to be most popular because of the bad behaviour. All this is sending subconscious messages to people. People are now thinking about sex, cheating, material goods etc alot more then they were in the 50's for example.


If women from the 50's could see the behaviour of modern women they would be shocked.


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It IS in a woman's nature to cheat, as it is in a mans nature to cheat. Has nothing to do with making excuses. It happens. No amount of wishing is going to change this.

These days people seem to not be able to control their actions or take responsibility. Then they make excuses for their bad behaviour because it's easier to believe it's out of our control then having to take control of it.
 

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slaog said:
I don't agree with that at all. Women and society today are being bombarded with with all sorts of messages from the media. Celebraties are cheating all the time and there the ones who seem to be most popular because of the bad behaviour. All this is sending subconscious messages to people. People are now thinking about sex, cheating, material goods etc alot more then they were in the 50's for example.


If women from the 50's could see the behaviour of modern women they would be shocked.
Chicken or the egg....

This may come as a shock to you, but people aren't that much different today than they were back then.

Sexual behavior wasn't radically different it just wasn't talked about and as such it certainly wasn't all over the media.

Read up on Kinsey's work. He studied sexual behavior in humans and blew the lid off all of the BS misconceptions people had. It wasn't just THEM doing it....it was everyone else too.

People weren't angels back then, they just had more at stake by revealing their devilish side.
 

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I don't want to sound like a fat girl complaining that there are 100 women for every men. But one more factor may actually be gender imbalance. Post WWII there was a man shortage due to war losses. More women competing for fewer men meant they behaved better because they had fewer options. I don't have numbers on me, but I believe that there are generally a few extra male births than female births, like 51 to 49 or something, having to do with sperm carrying a heavier X chromosome being a bit slower (really). In a "natural" state those extra males would die off. But today, there may actually be a bit of a male surplus. While that may sound insignificant, if you ever studied evolutionary biology you know that even minor changes in populations have massive impacts over several generations. So if there really are more males today than in the 50's, women would have more options, and be less loyal. I don't think it's the biggest factor. But it's something.
 

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STR8UP said:
Chicken or the egg....

This may come as a shock to you, but people aren't that much different today than they were back then.

Sexual behavior wasn't radically different it just wasn't talked about and as such it certainly wasn't all over the media.

Read up on Kinsey's work. He studied sexual behavior in humans and blew the lid off all of the BS misconceptions people had. It wasn't just THEM doing it....it was everyone else too.

People weren't angels back then, they just had more at stake by revealing their devilish side.
Like I said. People have lower standards these days and will make excuses for those lower standards.


The media has definetly something to do with it. Companies don't spend billions on advertising for nothing. Programs like 'sex and the city' also influence people. Role models going around having sex as often as possible will have an influence on young girls/women.


Regarding Kinsey..
Wikipedia said:
Sex life
Kinsey had been rumored to participate in unusual sexual practices. James H. Jones's biography, Alfred C. Kinsey: A Public/Private Life, describes Kinsey as bisexual and experimenting in masochism. He encouraged group sex involving his graduate students, wife and staff. Kinsey filmed sexual acts in the attic of his home as part of his research.[10] Biographer Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy explained that using Kinsey's home for the filming of sexual acts was done to ensure the films' secrecy, which would certainly have caused a scandal had the public become aware of them.[11][12]


Bias
James H. Jones wrote that Kinsey’s appetite for unconventional sex and his disdain for conventional sexual morality, drove Kinsey's agenda to strip sexuality of guilt and to undermine traditional sexual morality. Critics contend that Kinsey allowed his agenda to bias his work. They point to Kinsey's over-representation of prisoners and prostitutes and his classification of couples who have lived together for at least a year as "married".[13][14]
 

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thedeparted said:
I don't want to sound like a fat girl complaining that there are 100 women for every men. But one more factor may actually be gender imbalance. Post WWII there was a man shortage due to war losses. More women competing for fewer men meant they behaved better because they had fewer options. I don't have numbers on me, but I believe that there are generally a few extra male births than female births, like 51 to 49 or something, having to do with sperm carrying a heavier X chromosome being a bit slower (really). In a "natural" state those extra males would die off. But today, there may actually be a bit of a male surplus. While that may sound insignificant, if you ever studied evolutionary biology you know that even minor changes in populations have massive impacts over several generations. So if there really are more males today than in the 50's, women would have more options, and be less loyal. I don't think it's the biggest factor. But it's something.
They say that the dynamic is different anywhere where there is a shortage of men due to whatever circumstance.

It's interesting that you bring this up, because on a micro scale I witnessed this firsthand last night.

My female friend texts me yesterday asking if I want to go to a concert last night. I asked how much the tickets were, not even knowing yet who was playing. She had free tix, so I agreed to go without even asking.

I get to the concert and realize it's a total chickfest. Both the opening act and the headliner were in the female 18-34 demographic. The MC from the radio station even commented on how it was "5-1 women to men". Anyone who has ever been in a club on one of those bizzaro nights where it's 60/40 or 65/35 women to men instead of the exact opposite knows what I am getting at here.

Basically, any time the ratios are turned, the men go from being the predator to being the prey. When there are 60/40 men to women chicks don't even look at you. When the tables are turned you feel like every table you walk by one of these women is getting ready to jump up and pounce on you and rip your clothes off.

I'm not kidding.

You are probably on to something.

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Like I said. People have lower standards these days and will make excuses for those lower standards.
Do people today have lower standards? That's a loaded question.

Standards according to whom? Religion? Government? Self?

The media has definetly something to do with it. Companies don't spend billions on advertising for nothing. Programs like 'sex and the city' also influence people. Role models going around having sex as often as possible will have an influence on young girls/women.
Some of you guys get really confused as to the cause and effect relationship of things.

Once again, media is a refection of society, not the dictator of it.

The American media is PROFIT DRIVEN. That means that it RESPONDS to consumers existing desires. No media company in the world has enough resources to "convince" the world to become corrupt. No sir. And they don't HAVE to, because people do a good enough job of it on their own.

You aren't seeing moral decay, you are seeing moral exposure. just like back in the 50's.

I'm not saying homosexuality is "immoral", but do you honestly think that there were fewer gay people back then than there are today? Of course not. It's just that back then they sometimes risked life and limb if they were out of the closet. Today it is more accepted. this might make it SEEM like homosexuality is on the rise, but in fact it has always been there, just like a lot of other behaviors that were not spoken of "in polite company" back in the day.

And I can find other research to support Kinsey's findings, so?
 

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STR8UP said:
Do people today have lower standards? That's a loaded question.

Standards according to whom? Religion? Government? Self?
C'mon Str8 it's not a loaded question to say people have lower standards for women now. In the past a woman practically had to be a young virgin to get anyone to want to marry her. No one wanted an older woman, divorced women, or one with kids. Now it doesn't matter. Perhaps the government and religion was following the "natural order" more than what society is today?



Some of you guys get really confused as to the cause and effect relationship of things.

Once again, media is a refection of society, not the dictator of it.

The American media is PROFIT DRIVEN. That means that it RESPONDS to consumers existing desires. No media company in the world has enough resources to "convince" the world to become corrupt. No sir. And they don't HAVE to, because people do a good enough job of it on their own.
I think it is a two-way street. Marketing is as much about creating demand as it is meeting demand. You can put anything on TV, any propaganda, slant in the news and the people will eat it up. Remember what I said about the personality ethics? As long as crap is wrapped in a shiny, dazzling package it'll get accepted.

You aren't seeing moral decay, you are seeing moral exposure. just like back in the 50's.

I'm not saying homosexuality is "immoral", but do you honestly think that there were fewer gay people back then than there are today? Of course not. It's just that back then they sometimes risked life and limb if they were out of the closet. Today it is more accepted. this might make it SEEM like homosexuality is on the rise, but in fact it has always been there, just like a lot of other behaviors that were not spoken of "in polite company" back in the day.
Sure those things existed before and now there's more exposure and acceptance, but more exposure and acceptance cause a growth of it. If it became socially acceptable to steal and kill, that would rise dramatically too. You could argue, "that's people being natural", too. We all know humans naturally have a "dark-side". What I'm saying is people are embracing it, cultivating it, even making it a virtue more nowadays. But people also have naturally a "light-side" that they can cultivate.

I agree with the point that people have a tendency to act in certain ways, like animals basically, but that doesn't mean it's really in their best interest. Most people don't want to live the harsh life of the animals and they naturally see the value in living within rationally defined rules and guidelines. Going back to the point of the modern females, they have basically no rules or guidelines imposed upon them. And any one man can't impose them, it has to be done by the society. Instead we have the society of women imposing their rules on men when I believe men were suppose to be the rule makers by nature.

You're kind of losing me here Str8up. You seem to be making a nihilism/anarchy argument or something. I'm not really sure.
 

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The bottom line is don't get married. When you do, you lose 95% of the leverage you have over your female companion, namely your power to walk away.

The marriage contract has been modified in the 1970's as part of the No Fault reforms. In its current form it is not only defective, it is downright lethal.

As Tom Leykis says, if you really really want kids, you are better off knocking up a chick of your choice and paying her the state-minimum child support.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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