Winning Girlfriend BACK!

[kinjo]

Originally posted by Player_Supreme
1. Didn't you post this same post months ago?


nevermind. keep chasing her and wasting time if you need her so badly...the rest of us will be enjoying the company of new dates and prospects

I understand and appreciate your good intention, Player_Supreme. But I regret that have to do this. Either way, I'm learning, for best or worst, or I'll not be easy and this is the best for me for now. In the pursuit of this I've pick up so many books and learned so many. In fact I'm able to pick up woman easier now, but the REAL CHALLENGE for me is to get her.

I just saw your latest post on 11 book list you recommend, right below my post on another thread. The first book on your list is what I'm trying to learn. The hard way. I think this is the way for this case I will learn best, so if you have the patience, your insights in helping making this work for me would be appreciated.

Could you offer some opinion on this thread, player?
http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=399736#post399736

 

[SemperFi719]

Alright man, from what you have posted I can only give you one piece of advice.... MOVE ON! Dude, you said it yousefl... you're having an easier time getting girls than before. Use it to your advantage! You now have the power to get girls (which you always did but now you know how to do it effectively) and you're wasting your time on this chick who is being as inconsistent as a pile of crap that a cow ****s out of its ass. You're short-changing yourself by not using your new attitude and techniques to get a girl who will appreciate you for what you're worth. You've wasted already a good 5 months on this girl and she is still not sure herself about you two, in my eyes she ain't interested and she wont be. You could become a master DJ with more suave moves that casanova himself, but when it comes down to it this girl aint interested and you should realize that and move along to a better future for yourself. If you do move on (which you should have a while ago) you will eventually find yourself with a good outlook on life, and a babe in your arms that will go to the far reaches of the earth for you and you for her. But IT WILL BE MUTUAL, if it aint mutual, it aint worth it.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by kinjo

At the moment, I think she only lust for me for her needs because she told me her heart is still "cold" for me. She mentioned that maybe the lust would bring the feelings back. I forgot a few important lessons and went back AFC a bit, damn it.

Kinjo hombre (that means man in Spanish ) - didn't you say you wanted to stop being an afc 4 months ago - let me tell you something reading a thousand books aren't going to help -you are using these books and this forum as a crutch for your weak-minded behavior. You have to change your thinking – that’s it!

Your thinking will change your behavior and not the other way around.

Try this for 4 weeks and I'll guarantee you it will cure your afc'ness - do the exact opposite of what you have been doing the last ten years when you had 5 girls dump you. Just think your opposite prior self - say the opposite - act the opposite - do the opposite!!! You know why you have to do this ? Because you are your worst enemy - so you must completely destroy your old self before you begin your journey to your new self! Otherwise you are deluding yourself if you think reading a book and talking to us will improve your situation - change your mindset and heal thyself - create a new paradigm - u r the only one that has the power to do so!!!!

Books are not going to save you and Don Juans are not going to save you - especially after four months of acting afc and reverting back to your old self every time you see this chick. Read the above quote - she stated that her 'heart is cold'. You know why? I'll tell you why, she has been screwing other guys - quit making this chick out to be so innocent - she states 'maybe the lust will bring it back" - this is something dudes would say to get in her panties!
This is an absurd statement - fuvk me back into loving you!!! HUH??????? She sounds like a wh@re. But who cares if she left you and screwed another guy and then he left and now she comes back to you and of course you don't care what she did with someone else, you'll take her back anyway!

Grow some balls!

I know your longing for her is a sincere and a real sentiment, that is because your whole life has been wrapped around this girl since childhood and you have a lot invested in her, emotionally speaking - and you seem to be an one woman man and you don't want to play the field playing all the ho games - I understand! But it doesn't matter how you feel - it's about how she feels and she said her heart is cold - this is a matter-of-fact statement that tells you that you don't have a chance in hell! Nor would you want to take her back, you’ll just be divorced in a few years anyway and waste more of your youth with being with a woman that doesn’t want you.

If she was a virgin and you were her first lover - if this wasn't a big enough bond to keep her what makes you think you can talk your way back to her. You can no longer be a mystery to her because she knew you since childhood. Read the first post I sent you two months ago - this girls wants to experience other guys before she gets married .If you get back with her, she'll just leave you again when she finds another guy that she wants to fuvk!

Ask yourself, "What am I going to do to make her heart grow warm" Yeah, i have the answer, "I'll screw her back to making her love me!"

Save yourself, and change your thinking - AS A MAN THINKETH, SO IS HE! If you thinketh afc, you are afc,. If you think like a man, you are a man!

Here is your test. If you want to be the total opposite of what you were when 5 girls dumped you (AFC) and what you are today then call this girl and do not take her up on her offer of sex and reject her straight out and say, “I don’t want to have sex with you, I’m wasting my youth and I must proceed to concentrate on my future and not my past, if I am to better myself and my life” then hang up – and this will be the first step for becoming the new you, an official Don Juan –and not a typing Don Juan!

 

[JustDoItAlways]

Education

You will PASS the biggest challenge / test so far in your "education" when you decide to cut this b1tch loose.

You haven't learned a damn thing yet if you haven't learned that.

You are just like one of those chicks that only falls for jerks that treat her like sh1t.

Your education should have taught you by now that "if you can get any women you want with your new education, why would you want a b1tch that doesn't care about you and treats you like sh1t."

You next post should be about how you're nailing this really cute new sweetie that licks your balls to sleep each night. Forget this b1tch.

 

[kinjo]

The Real Motive

Allright ) I have enough. I understand what you guys are saying.
In this long post I'm gonna pay you a respect, and try to share my true motive.

Othello, you're right. Also, )) ...to add to that, in my own different way, I had moved on. Yes, I've survived, with or without her does not matter that much to me anymore. It is not all true that all I think about is her. I, however, have to admit that at the moment I have no real HB that I'm really interested in. I have courted some chicks (HB 6-7), but somehow I just lost interest for them

I am "still" pigheaded, but I am not in infatuation with her. I've learnt not to be. If I'm still am, I'm going to deal with it instead of running away (nexting her) and mess around behind her back too. That's the point.

I'm srewing other girls when I have the chance and at the same time I get to screw her too... body and in time... her mind. I have nothing to lose. Time? I have many. My feelings...? Man only have 3 feelings right? Happy, Angry, n HORNY! Money? I made her mostly pay for herself. Favours? Gee, baby you got to BJ me good to get favours. She's using me for sex? GREAT!! We're using each other then. She's sincere? Ok, what's the deal then? WIITFM (whats in it for me?) This is the way I see things now.

If any of you had posted that comments on a book by robert green(art of seduction {AOS}, laws of power), you're right... , in a way it had also changed my perspective... I'm less honest (honesty like my middle name back then), I'm more manipulative, creating an illusions for deception. I still go for her because it took me a lot of self control (essentially in the beginning) to stay detached. It is not all about her, it is always about my best self interest, all the way. Don't we all?

In her presence, I play the coquette and the charismatic added to my own "natural" seductive tendency (AOS). I also acted like I'm clean as a saint althought she knows (and complained) that I'm out with many woman. (boy, I slept with 5 girls in the past 6 months and told her I haven't even touch them )

Anti seductively, she's a windbag and a moralizer. SO, I could not be that attracted to her. I could not be infatuated with her. But she's still an innocent looking babe I know of, and a victim type mix of the new prudent, the novice, plus drama queen.

My motive is to use her as my OBJECT of training, plus vanity I'd like to control my emotions over jealousy, greater self control over my AFC tendencies while with her, and really, ultimately to become a seductive chameleon by habit. It's easier with a new girl (you're still a mystery to her), but with HER, there's a habit and familiarity I have to break free from. So you see, I may have a twisted way of thinking, and again, pigheaded, but she is the perfect victim for me for the moment. It is not a much challenge at this time with new girls I've met so far, a woman that can stir my north as well as my south.

Yea, I'm basicaly a one woman man, but later, when I found a lot better deal at anytime, you bet I'll take my chances. The trouble is, in this side of the world I'm located, HB in my minority ethnic group is rare and damn hard to find. Local babes only good for ONS, and I'm not that eager. So I have to make the best use of what I have at hand. And what I have at hand is an ex giving me access to her panties, a great BJ that I thaugt her and other new exciting things to try on her.

I don't take any crap from her anymore however. When she's nice, I'll treat her the same. Whenever she try to pull any tricks that displeases me I've learnt not to take it personal anymore, I play it fun n cool, and often aloof. If she withdraw, I withdrawed even more. No strings attached right? and I let her know that through my actions.

I'm posting this one because I kept getting "move on" advices from you guys. Not that I disrespect your good intentions, but THIS is my motive.

Winning her back is not any longer my true motive. Creating illusions and manipulating her mind into thinking she's deeply infatuated with me is the goal. You're right, time, is the essence for reseduction. Successful or not, I'm still getting access to her pants and no hard feelings. We're still benefiting from each other.

Thanks again guys, but please... no more "move on advices"
As english is second language to me, I hope I've differentiate the case in this post. This is already a long one and I couldnt possibly give you all the reasonings and backgrounds over my actions or way of thinking. So you can say I'm a real pigheaded dumb f%&* for not taking your advices and nothing you can say will change my mind. You've tried your best.

I just have to see for myself how high (or low) is the so called the im'possible.

Looking forward to hear from anyone interested to have a stimulating debate/discussion on applications of AOS over my case here. Let's say I want to learn this the hard way

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

hahahahahahah Four months later and you are in the same place as you were but now it's for a different motive Ok - whatever works for you. Just don't marry the chick!

Your english is good.

 

[Alonso]

Re: The Real Motive

Originally posted by kinjo
Winning her back is not any longer my true motive. Creating illusions and manipulating her mind into thinking she's deeply infatuated with me is the goal. You're right, time, is the essence for reseduction. Successful or not, I'm still getting access to her pants and no hard feelings. We're still benefiting from each other.

Wow. People started out thinking you were a hapless chump; now maybe they'll just think you're a mean b*stard. I'm not sure either one is so good . . . .YMMV.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Re: The Real Motive

Originally posted by kinjo
Successful or not, I'm still getting access to her pants and no hard feelings. We're still benefiting from each other.

Wait a second here, you are getting into her pants and are not getting hard???? What benefit iare you to her now!!! How are either of you benefitting when you can't have sex? You should get a prescription for viagra!!!

All this trouble for naught!!!

Why do you want access to her pants? Do you wear the same size pants and are now sharing her clothes - what the hell is going on here??? You are deteriorating and are a disgrace to all dj's.

 

[kinjo]

Re: Re: The Real Motive

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
Wait a second here, you are getting into her pants and are not getting hard???? What benefit iare you to her now!!! How are either of you benefitting when you can't have sex? You should get a prescription for viagra!!!

It's good to hear some sense of humour from PuertoRican_Lover

 

[am4591]

If you're bangin' her and other girls too, then what's the problem? It sounds like you're already back with her and seeing other girls as well.

 

[kinjo]

Originally posted by am4591
If you're bangin' her and other girls too, then what's the problem? It sounds like you're already back with her and seeing other girls as well.

No, we're not back yet, and I haven't talk to her in more than a week now, but I'm going to text her today about buying me some things while she's in our hometown. Making her do things for me

Before she left, she told me that she's thinking about going back. She was talking in presupposition with me about our coming back. However, I've learnt my lessons and aint gonna make it easy for her too I'm more patience now, using it to my advantages. (I bought the Sedona Method, it works!) I'm tagging along with her game as long it is still in my best interest.

PuertoRican_Lover, your comment on not to mary the chicks get me thinking, and AD's Machines just clarified that for me. Weeding out uninterested ones. Yup, it's better to be single than married to someone who maybe doesnt even like me.

Ok, I have a question to all DJ's.
I've mentioned in my previous post that I've made SOME improvements. Please comment and let me know how do you intepret these below:

When she first want's to make out (first time after the break up) I withholded it and not giving in to her. However, for like five minutes I just go on and off with her (foreplay) like I wanted it and then withdraw again/play cold (I make it a point that I'm horny like hell) But in the end I left her hungry for it. Before I left, she throw tantrums and treatens that she's gonna find someone to satisfy her, and I smilingly said,"well, that is your body isn't it? You're free to do anything you want with it... see you!"

Exactly 3 days later, her hunger is still there and we make out, on my terms where she want me to C her, but I told her that I won't until she B me first, where she gave me one of her best Then afterward, laying with her in my arms, I let her spill her heart out to me from 2300-0330 n she's doing 90% of the talking.

However, she has not fall that hard yet. All she talks about were about her, and a little about woman I went out with (i kept my lips closed however)

So far, I intepret her attitude as,
" Hey, I have a lot of man at the moment to choose from, but hell, my IL for them is not that high too, yea some of them are rich, interesting, drove a mercedes, some gadgets and stuff. It has been fun, but hell I'm confused, and not sure if I want a relationship at these time since my grade's at Uni has increased significantly as I have more time to study more (relationship takes her focus away and a few of her friends already graduated last year) If, you act "nice" I maybe come back to you, well... if I haven't found anyone else that is raising my IL level higher than you... so I think I'll play wait and see huh?"

My respond? I'm using Player_Supreme's contribution on this post of "player rules" to work for me. Thanks Player! I also found that the more "aphatic" my attitude toward winning her back, the better she responded with it.

And Alonso, it is better to be a mean b4st4rd than a whining hapless chap. DJ game is an amoral art of seduction, manipulation and deception. From this perspective, ain't it the truth? And I still have A LOT to learn.

 

[kinjo]

Anti Dump's Machine

I'm on the last chapters of AD's Machine by Pook, several quotes from it hits me, I hope this will refresh your memory:

Men rule the action world. Women are king in COMMUNICATING. But weak in action. The secret is asking them to DO things. This is their weak spot.

We have defined confidence ALL WRONG.

Confidence is not in our actions, it is the vision of our own world. It is THE LINK between our dream and day.

Confidence is when a man is proud of his job, but never brags about it. When he has a great body, but doesn't call attention to it. He talks about his hobbies and passions because he can see that you're interested, not because he assumes you are. A confident man will approach a woman directly, but with a questioning smile. Confident men will state their opinions, welcome criticism, ask when they don't know, admit mistakes, and stand up for what they believe even if it's going to make things difficult for them. At the heart of it, I'd say confidence is about being sure of who you are and what you're worth, but never thinking you know it all. ****iness is thinking you're the ****, and taking for granted that everyone around you thinks the same.

 

[kinjo]

Mission accomplished. Her IL shoot up. Time has turn the tide in my favour, and she has fallen for me again.

But it aint over yet, not even close to what I have in mind. I'm gonna screw her mind this time.

 

[SemperFi719]

Dude this is just wrong. Its one thing if you are getting revenge on the ex, but the way you are doing it is gonna come bite you in the a$$. You're using this girl and playing her like a handpuppet. Sure, she did things to you as well, but dont you think you should use the "new you" to get other girls and not to get evil deceptive revenge on your ex. Ive head it many times, and I believe it... the best revenge you can get on your ex is living your life to the fullest and meeting new women.

 

[Ricky]

interesting stuff.

I have ignored 2 of my 3 ex girlfriends, but i want one back. I've started to ignore her as well.

It may be amoral but using them as batting practice to try out new techniques is interesting.

 

[docv]

I love this thread! It has inspired me to change my goals. Instead of trying to get my ex back, I am going to try to mess with her mind and have her literally stalk me. bwwaaaaahahahahha

 

[Road Demon]

Thank you all. That is heart and ego shattering, but highly appreciated indeed. I'm letting her go. At least I'm trying hard.

A few days ago, I made a purchase of this ebook Stop your divorce at www.stopyourdivorce.com Quite good stuff about reverse physcology. The site has many quote's (actually major) from the eBook where you can read it. Let me know your thought on these. I'm applying some of it.

I know, I still have high hopes, especially she lost her virginity to me, and she is religious and still lost all the faith and all to me.

I too have read that excellent. If anything will work; his ideas will. Much of what the guy says applies to many other aspects of life. Very powerful stuff, worth every penny. But you must be CONSISTENT with the use of the techniques, he makes that very clear.

RD

 

[Jon55]

Kinjo there's so much good info in this thread it's ridiculous.


We've all been where you are, and the best thing to do for right now is go NC (no contact). Make like the rubber-band and bend the other direction. Spend the time getting your life back together. Read stuff on this site like crazy. Looking back, it sucks at first but the rebuilding process is actually fun after a while.


It's like the part before the climax in a movie, where the main character is at his lowest, and has a revelation. Then he starts rebuilding and becomes infinitely stronger than he was before...