Why the wall for men is much worse than the wall for females

[CornbreadFed]

The female wall isn’t so bad because a female can have sexual options well in to her 50s. The issue is the quality of those options, but this can be improved by just working on herself sexually. I used to think being a single mom was the Scarlett S, but most men don’t care apparently. Regardless, the female wall isn’t that bad. Why is the male wall worse?

Scenario:

John is in his mid to late 30s and he makes around 50-70k a year which is enough for a single man to live comfortably by in a lower COL part of the state. John dated around a few, but none of the girls really panned out. He was more content on just smoking weed, playing PlayStation, drinking, and etc rather than focusing on his career or developing a family. Eventually, he realizes he is nearing 40 and his social circle group is dwindling, so he decides to get serious about finding a potential wife. John starts looking for single women around his age, but notices that they are career women and make more money than him. He looks at the women below his income and they are mostly washed up welfare single moms at this point. He could look for 18 year old women and become a sugar daddy, but does he really want to do that? His only option would be girls right out of HS since he doesn’t live in popular part of a downtown major US city. His only current viable option is to be a passport bro and find him a hot woman abroad. Realistically, John is royally screwed lol.

John is going to have to make some major lifestyle changes that he will not see the effects overnight to become viable in the dating marketplace. He is not economically viable to women in his age range and he lacks the money and looks to date younger women. His only option for a woman that is not low some is to go to a foreign country with a different language and government and find a woman there. Meanwhile, all a woman has to do is lose weight and wear the right makeup.

The best solution to this is to avoid turning in to John in the first place.

 

[MatureDJ]

What's wrong with GeoMaxxing?

 

[Mike32ct]

What's wrong with GeoMaxxing?

There’s nothing wrong with it per se. But relocating to another country is probably a too drastic a measure for most Homesick-just-thinking-about-it-cels.

 

[CornbreadFed]

What's wrong with GeoMaxxing?

Because unless you are fine with an international LDR, you would have to drop everything in your current country to move to some foreign country where you don’t know the language or legal system.

 

[RazorRambo24]

It's not so cut and dry homie. It depends on the individual and lots of variables.. all this generalization "men this" "women this" stuff means nothing to actual intelligent and logical thinkers.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

 

[Mike32ct]

Back the OP, I agree completely.

In this particular example, John is a minimalist. He could sort of get away with that when he was younger, but he can’t as an older guy.

 

[threeforfree]

Well, John isn't a quality man. If he were, he wouldn't have as much catching up to do. And if he's doing the catching up and bettering himself just so he can maybe land a woman, it's even worse.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

John in this case needs to get creative. If a woman can lose weight and wear makeup in a relatively short time frame, John can hit the gym and use moisturizer, get a stylish haircut so he can appeal to younger women. Assuming he knows game, he can cast a wide net, screen for high interest, indulge in his fetishes (women whom he likes who aren't universally sought after), catch women straight out of divorces, say he's investing in a business or saving for a home, find a male archetype whom fits his personality, pursue hotwives, etc. John can do ok if he gets creative.

 

[SW15]

John is in his mid to late 30s and he makes around 50-70k a year which is enough for a single man to live comfortably by in a lower COL part of the state. Eventually, he realizes he is nearing 40 and his social circle group is dwindling, so he decides to get serious about finding a potential wife. John starts looking for single women around his age, but notices that they are career women and make more money than him. He looks at the women below his income and they are mostly washed up welfare single moms at this point.

@jaymbrs did this same thread 2 weeks ago...except it was more focused on city men making $75-125k a year and he didn't attach an age range to it.

Women Don't Want a Semi-Successful Man

Men in this category, $75k-$125k salary, relatively in shape, drive a good car, has a few hobbies, women do not want. Why? Because this man has standards. Women do not want to work for their men. Women of today want a simp or a millionaire. Simple as that. This is what society aka social media...

www.sosuave.net

When you consider men who are 33-42, the options are slim, either in a rural, typically lower COL portion of a USA state or a bigger city with @jaymbrs inflated salary numbers.

In the lower COL area, there actually won't be too many childless career women. That would be more of a bigger city thing. Either way, a semi-successful man isn't going to appeal to them at those salary levels. Maybe $110-125k if the woman is only making $80-95k, but even a guy at $115k isn't that exciting for a woman at $85k. He can't play on money alone, he would need awesome looks for that.

He could look for 18 year old women and become a sugar daddy, but does he really want to do that? His only option would be girls right out of HS since he doesn’t live in popular part of a downtown major US city. His only current viable option is to be a passport bro and find him a hot woman abroad.

He doesn't have enough money to sugar daddy in the USA.

Realistically, John is royally screwed lol.

John is going to have to make some major lifestyle changes that he will not see the effects overnight to become viable in the dating marketplace. He is not economically viable to women in his age range and he lacks the money and looks to date younger women.

Realistically, you're correct. A lot of men in their mid to late 30s experience this if they are somewhat successful. It takes a lot to become economically viable after mid-30s. A guy like John is only economically viable to broke single moms in his age range. A guy making $75-125k in a bigger city and in his mid to late 30s would see his dating options only be single moms unless he's abnormally fit. He doesn't make enough to impress either childless career women close to his age or impress younger women 10+ years younger.

 

[BadBoy89]

He could look for 18 year old women and become a sugar daddy, but does he really want to do that?

Yep.

 

[Bigrig]

The best solution to this is to avoid turning in to John in the first place.

 

[CornbreadFed]

John in this case needs to get creative. If a woman can lose weight and wear makeup in a relatively short time frame, John can hit the gym and use moisturizer, get a stylish haircut so he can appeal to younger women. Assuming he knows game, he can cast a wide net, screen for high interest, indulge in his fetishes (women whom he likes who aren't universally sought after), catch women straight out of divorces, say he's investing in a business or saving for a home, find a male archetype whom fits his personality, pursue hotwives, etc. John can do ok if he gets creative.

This is a solution, but something that can’t be done over night at all. A woman could lose weight simply by just going keto for a few months or something silly.

Realistically, you're correct. A lot of men in their mid to late 30s experience this if they are somewhat successful. It takes a lot to become economically viable after mid-30s. A guy like John is only economically viable to broke single moms in his age range. A guy making $75-125k in a bigger city and in his mid to late 30s would see his dating options only be single moms unless he's abnormally fit. He doesn't make enough to impress either childless career women close to his age or impress younger women 10+ years younger.

This is what partially motivated me to seek a career change in to a higher paying field. I knew I wasn’t going to find a life time partner that met my standards with at 60k a year. Sure, it seems a lot for a recent college grad, but not when you are 30 and having to deal with women in more professional roles.

 

[SW15]

This is what partially motivated me to seek a career change in to a higher paying field. I knew I wasn’t going to find a life time partner that met my standards with at 60k a year. Sure, it seems a lot for a recent college grad, but not when you are 30 and having to deal with women in more professional roles.

$60k at 30 is decent but not likely to impress women. Your salary and lifestyle become a more important part of Game as you age. A $60k/year salaried 30 year old won't impress 26-29 year old childless women.

Here's a scenario I discussed on another recent thread that didn't get a lot of comments.

-40 year old White man
-$90,000-$120,000 annual salary from a white collar job
-little to no debt, bachelor's or advanced level degree is either fully paid off or mostly paid off, non-housing debt is minimal
-6.5 in looks, not overweight, goes to gym and/or plays a sport regularly (in adequate shape but not like a @sangheilios top guy at the gym status). Less than 3 tattoos and none visible
-5'9"-5'11" in height, specifically keeping this height around average and not at women's 6'0"+ preference
-Some Game knowledge but by no means an expert
-Social circle is mostly married people with children. Guy has effectively no social circle options
-Lives in a metro area with 500,000+ in population

Who is going to be interested in this man for an LTR when his options are swipe apps, social media DMs, and cold approaches?

Despite this man being a decent option, he'll struggle to get attention regardless of which method he chooses.

The majority of childless women close to his own age won't be impressed with his income or possessions despite his salary being decent. Childless women close to his own age are careerists. Many of them have gotten preferential treatment in hiring and their salaries are close to equal.

His income, possessions, and net worth are not large enough to get a childless woman 10-15 years younger.

He's most appealing to single moms close to his own age looking for beta bucks.

 

[Ricky]

The victim mindset is bad.
Take a look at your competitors. Most men dont take care of themselves, dont dress well and dont have game

its like outrunning a bear. I dont have to outrun him i just have to outrun you

 

[itouchyou]

The victim mindset is bad.
Take a look at your competitors. Most men dont take care of themselves, dont dress well and dont have game

its like outrunning a bear. I dont have to outrun him i just have to outrun you

Yea, some of these posts are surprising. They're comparing women who have thousands of options for casual sex, even if they're 2/10, to some below average guy. Of course his wall is going to be worse.

Now instead of that guy, say he's mid 30s, pulling in $175k, looks young for his age, and has a top physique.. wall isn't so bad. That's actually a man's prime.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The victim mindset is bad.
Take a look at your competitors. Most men dont take care of themselves, dont dress well and dont have game

its like outrunning a bear. I dont have to outrun him i just have to outrun you

Unless you are going for ugly women, the remaining 10-5% of your competition is still going to be extremely competitive. Does it really matter if 99% of the guys you are competing against are slobs while the other 1% is a professional Athlete and Chad Orthopedic Surgeon?

Yea, some of these posts are surprising. They're comparing women who have thousands of options for casual sex, even if they're 2/10, to some below average guy. Of course his wall is going to be worse.

Now instead of that guy, say he's mid 30s, pulling in $175k, looks young for his age, and has a top physique.. wall isn't so bad. That's actually a man's prime.

$175k might be super competitive in bum frick Kansas, but not in Los Angeles. Y’all must be going for some low hanging fruit lol.

Who is going to be interested in this man for an LTR when his options are swipe apps, social media DMs, and cold approaches?

His only viable option is to snag some lower girl at work that’s not on the apps. Not only will he face fierce competition from guys with higher income, he will have to deal with Boy toys that can compensate their lack of income with their looks and free time to careerist women.

 

[SW15]

His only viable option is to snag some lower girl at work that’s not on the apps. Not only will he face fierce competition from guys with higher income, he will have to deal with Boy toys that can compensate their lack of income with their looks and free time to careerist women.

And that's a guy with an above average salary too. I mentioned he was white collar so getting a woman at work isn't all that viable. he'd have to get a woman who worked in a far distant department in a larger workplace with irregular contact or a woman working in the same building, different company through a stranger approach. Approaching women at other companies in the same building isn't much different than other types of daygame approaches.

 

[itouchyou]

$175k might be super competitive in bum frick Kansas, but not in Los Angeles. Y’all must be going for some low hanging fruit lol.

Bro the average salary in Kansas is like $50k.

Most people will never reach $175k/year in their entire life. $175k/year might not be impressive in LA/Seattle/NY/Boston, but nearly everywhere else that salary is substantial.

Unless you're talking about this guy flaunting his wealth to be a provider while the woman sits at home forever, $175k is very respectable. That's $9k/month after taxes/deductions.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Okcupid did a well known study a while back. A man's age vs. the age the women look best to him, A woman's age vs. the age the men look best to her.

You guys see a difference here? According to this thread, probably not.