L777 said:
You're not seeing the bigger picture. Mystery is just the example at the moment cos of the nature of this thread.....you can replace his name with any of the other gurus, or any of the guys that are at mASF that are getting great results.
Potato says that these guys aren't the real deal because they have to TRY to get women...ie. cold approach and then seduce.
THATS WHY THEY ARE THE REAL DEAL....THATS WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ABOUT.
And he doesn't like the fact ppl like this are getting better than he NATURALLY is. I've seen it with myself. Guys that were getting action back in highschool when I was jacking off and now getting outgamed by me, and not sleeping with as many quality chicks as me....the tables have turned. My game has evolved and has become better than these "naturals", just in the same way that Mystery and other good PUAs' game has evolved and become better than potato's.
If you look around you will see that as much as half the posters here don’t see the PUA way as the best way to get women.
Look at someone like DjDan, he didn’t spend all his time learning game, he transformed himself into a man that women find attractive.
It doesn’t take a lot of thought to see that the promise of PUA methods can’t possibly be true – that any man can learn a few rules, apply them and get any women he desires. Teach a hundred men game and turn them loose on the same woman and you’ll see the ridiculousness of it all.
Over the past few months I have been showing women PUA literature and videos, asking their opinions. Without exceptions they find it all appalling. When I show them pictures of Mystery, Ross Jefferies, Johnny Soporno, and all the others they are not at all impressed. Creepy is word they tend to use.
I have a woman in my life who loves me, who worships me and is more than willing to tell the world how wonderful I am. I believe that almost every guy in the world could have such a woman in their life but they will never find her following the teachings of PUA gurus. Teaching one routines will do nothing toward the goal of forming relationships. Towards the end of The Game Neil Strauss wrote something to the effect of that it was shared values and experiences that created relationships not six hours of routines and two hours of sex.
I think that ultimately most people, men and women, would prefer a long lasting relationship with someone with whom they feel a great deal of love – and I think society would be better off for it. PUA ideas are the antithesis of this.
In the end I think that the PUA teaching business, on the whole does not only a disservice to the men who get sucked up into it, but to society as a whole.
So how do you get women? You become the man she wants. Part of it is improving yourself, part of it is being more social, and part of it is discovering women who are most compatible with you. I’ve been very successful at finding women who I am highly compatible with not by trying to seduce a thousand different women but by doing what I want and befriending the women who seemed to be doing the same thing. I have a step brother who is a little slow and not at all that attractive. Still he has managed to have long lasting, loving relationships with women and he doesn’t at all use PUA techniques or antics.
One thing that I’ve known for a long time is that women do fall for men that they see around pretty much the same way as men fall for women. Just as a woman who keeps her weight under control, dresses nicely, does her hair and make up well, has good posture, has interesting things to say, and is confident and happy will have more guys attracted to her, a guy who gets and stays in shape, dresses nicely, grooms himself well has good posture, has interesting things to say, and is confident and happy will have more women attracted to him. No PUA antics required.
