Why do we have to come up with excuses for not liking women with a high body count?

[Pandora]

Ok.. So she had a high body... She got impregnated by a dude who is Clinically Insane.. Her legs opened up for a lunatic & on top of that she cheated. Tell me why body count doesn't matter haha.

What "normal" girls are doing any better? Seriously. The divorce rate is 70%. Many of those are normal body count women.

My ex would have been loyal to me. I am 95% sure of that. I was her high score.

Our disagreement is this:
I say high score theory beats high notch theory.

You say high notch theory beats high score theory.

Im saying body count dont matter too much if you are her alpha widow. It matters in that its your ego.

 

[CornbreadFed]

What is considered high to you? Just out of curiosity. I had an ex that had a body count of around 26. I alpha widowed her.

I thought for sure she would be a bad mother because of her body count. Turns out she is a great mother. I was shocked.

She is seperated from her baby daddy and only ever cheated with me. Her baby daddy is clinically insane.

So life is complicated. People do grow. Yes low notch count girls are preferable but you are really not gonna find many of those. Hopefully you can find a person that can grown.

Any count higher than 8-10 is too much. This gives enough room for a boyfriend in each stage of life and room for error as well. I genuinely believe that a good girl that sloots herself out by mistake/immaturity will feel sick to her stomach and never do it again or maybeee make the mistake two more times max.

 

[Pandora]

Any count higher than 8-10 is too much. This gives enough room for a boyfriend in each stage of life and room for error as well. I genuinely believe that a good girl that sloots herself out by mistake/immaturity will feel sick to her stomach and never do it again or maybeee make the mistake two more times max.

Yes I agree but these girls are still so rare. Then on top of that she has to be sane and attractive.

Lets calculate the probability:
1.) Under body count of 10 -----> 20% of female population
2.) Not alpha widowed by any of them. ------> 25% chance
3.) Not a single mother --------> 50% chance
4.) Good looking --------> 25% chance
5.) Thin --------> 20% chance
6.) Pleasant attitude ( this is HUGE) --------> 20% chance
7.) Submissive enough to let you lead ----> 15% chance
8.) You make enough money for her --------> 50% chance
9.) Ages 18-30 --------> 25% chance
10.) She actually thinks you are good enough for her. -----> 20% chance
= you aint gonna find that.

You can find that but shes gonna be fat. Even overseas the girls are better but not by that much.

 

[Pandora]

Any count higher than 8-10 is too much. This gives enough room for a boyfriend in each stage of life and room for error as well. I genuinely believe that a good girl that sloots herself out by mistake/immaturity will feel sick to her stomach and never do it again or maybeee make the mistake two more times max.

You are right though. That is the ideal type of mentality for a girl to have.

 

[soulforge]

What "normal" girls are doing any better? Seriously. The divorce rate is 70%. Many of those are normal body count women.

My ex would have been loyal to me. I am 95% sure of that. I was her high score.

Our disagreement is this:
I say high score theory beats high notch theory.

You say high notch theory beats high score theory.

Im saying body count dont matter too much if you are her alpha widow. It matters in that its your ego.

Agreed it's a shiit show outhere.. Dating, marriage, relationships it's all a big mess.

So what do you do when every turn you take is a risk? You make an assessment on which path is the least riskiest for you.

Which girl is the least riskiest?

3 bodycount.. Or 30 bodycount girl, who has a bunch of trauma and emotional damage, mistrust of men & two abortions in the bag?

Bro how do you know for certain you are on her high score list? Because she really likes you?

Hoes are experts are making you feel like YOU ARE THE MAN, till they move onto the next dude.

Maybe she likes you alot because your funny & easy going & your a smart dude.. However chad used to eat her puzzy out better than you do.. She loves your intelligence, but Jamal was super spontaneous & used to just grab her and spank her azz which really turned her on..

You don't get it dude... Your just one of many many experiences she has had in the past, with a wide variety of men.

However you convince yourself, that out of 30 penises, your the damn best she has ever had.

You might tick her boxes in certain areas bother, but other dudes likely pleased her better in some other areas.

I bet you, all her previous guys thought they are high on her score list too.. Till they got dumped.

I'm not saying that a virgin or low body count girl is guaranteed to be the best wife.. However the chances of her being a good partner are significantly better than the girl who has been imprinted by many many men & has a wide variety of experiences.

Its extremely difficult to be her high score guy, when you're competing with 40 dudes who went balls deep inside her, before you did lol.

 

[Pandora]

Agreed it's a shiit show outhere.. Dating, marriage, relationships it's all a big mess.

So what do you do when every turn you take is a risk? You make an assessment on which path is the least riskiest for you.

Which girl is the least riskiest?

3 bodycount.. Or 30 bodycount girl, who has a bunch of trauma and emotional damage, mistrust of men & two abortions in the bag?

Bro how do you know for certain you are on her high score list? Because she really likes you?

Hoes are experts are making you feel like YOU ARE THE MAN, till they move onto the next dude.

Maybe she likes you alot because your funny & easy going & your a smart dude.. However chad used to eat her puzzy out better than you do.. She loves your intelligence, but Jamal was super spontaneous & used to just grab her and spank her azz which really turned her on..

You don't get it dude... Your just one of many many experiences she has had in the past, with a wide variety of men.

However you convince yourself, that out of 30 penises, your the damn best she has ever had.

You might tick her boxes in certain areas bother, but other dudes likely pleased her better in some other areas.

I bet you, all her previous guys thought they are high on her score list too.. Till they got dumped.

I'm not saying that a virgin or low body count girl is guaranteed to be the best wife.. However the chances of her being a good partner are significantly better than the girl who has been imprinted by many many men & has a wide variety of experiences.

Its extremely difficult to be her high score guy, when you're competing with 40 dudes who went balls deep inside her, before you did lol.

Again we agree 99% but you are wrong on one thing. You can tell when you are a girls high score. They are rare but once in a blue moon you catch a woman at a young age and she never forgets you. Plenty of women are walking around still longing for the man that got away.
At the risk of sounding naive, I know that 2 of my exes would have been loyal to me ( for the most part) for decades.

I bet you have a woman in your past that would have followed you to hell and back. Thats the only girl you should be marrying anyway. Hoes can pair bond but you have to be a special guy to her.

Look if you find a low body count girl ( 1 or 2) that is hot that high scores you..then you win at life. Thats gonna be rare especially at our age. If you find a girl that is young (24) that due to self esteem issues got a few bodies 15 or so....you can still rehab her as long as she see you as her high score.

You are also wrong about hoes seeing all her sexual partners are high scores. This is totally false. Hoes have sex with little emotional attachment for many guys.

Either way you are right. Low count is better but most men in the world aint gonna get a low count that is attractive and chill.

 

[soulforge]

Any count higher than 8-10 is too much. This gives enough room for a boyfriend in each stage of life and room for error as well. I genuinely believe that a good girl that sloots herself out by mistake/immaturity will feel sick to her stomach and never do it again or maybeee make the mistake two more times max.

It's shocking that in 2024, dudes consider raging wh0res the better option, over girls who had the self respect & discipline not to let random dude jizz inside there mouths.

 

[Pandora]

It's shocking that in 2024, dudes consider raging wh0res the better option, over girls who had the self respect & discipline not to let random dude jizz inside there mouths.

But they all let dudes jizz inside their mouth. Soulforge hear me out when I say this. Most attractive chicks are hoes on some level. I been around the dang on world. Travelled to different countries looking for this mythical good girl with a low body count who is hot. They really dont exist.

Every girl is going to have some hidden evil man. I am not saying be with a girl that has smashed 50 men. I am saying that good girls aint that much less of a risk. I am also saying that if you catch them young enough, they can grow. People do grow. They mature. As long as she is growing spiritually then you might stand a chance.

For example people say " oh dont wife up single mothers". My cousin who is ex college football player alpha dude wifed up a single mother. He now has a great marriage with a new kid. They are going on 10 yrs strong. There are no hard and fast rules.

 

[soulforge]

Again we agree 99% but you are wrong on one thing. You can tell when you are a girls high score. They are rare but once in a blue moon you catch a woman at a young age and she never forgets you. Plenty of women are walking around still longing for the man that got away.
At the risk of sounding naive, I know that 2 of my exes would have been loyal to me ( for the most part) for decades.

I bet you have a woman in your past that would have followed you to hell and back. Thats the only girl you should be marrying anyway. Hoes can pair bond but you have to be a special guy to her.

Look if you find a low body count girl ( 1 or 2) that is hot that high scores you..then you win at life. Thats gonna be rare especially at our age. If you find a girl that is young (24) that due to self esteem issues got a few bodies 15 or so....you can still rehab her as long as she see you as her high score.

You are also wrong about hoes seeing all her sexual partners are high scores. This is totally false. Hoes have sex with little emotional attachment for many guys.

Either way you are right. Low count is better but most men in the world aint gonna get a low count that is attractive and chill.

My G, we are going around in circles over here.. I am not doubting that a wh0re has the ability to pair bond.. They absolutely can pair bond.

The problem is, they are highly experienced & practiced in breaking that pair bond & hopping onto the next penis, to pair bond once again.

What makes you number 31 that special that she would never even dream of breaking that bond with you?

 

[Pandora]

@soulforge can I tell you this story? I was in the middle east where my fiance is from. I had an escort guy. He is a very smart good person. He translates stuff and takes me around. He is a neighbor. I met his wife before. Very shy quiet woman. Im sure she was a virgin before they married. She dont talk in public. I was envying him. In my head I was like " damn I wish my girl was pure and demure like her".

A few days later he tells me that he skipped out on a big promotion. I asked him why. He said his wife and him argued for days. She did not want to leave her city even if it meant more money. I was like wow. Even the super virgin demure ones are not submissive.

My girl was a thot but aint NO WAY she gonna tell me what do with my career. My point is that they all got their hidden evil. Pick you poison.

I have other stories like this too but I will save that.

 

[Pandora]

My G, we are going around in circles over here.. I am not doubting that a wh0re has the ability to pair bond.. They absolutely can pair bond.

The problem is, they are highly experienced & practiced in breaking that pair bond & hopping onto the next penis, to pair bond once again.

What makes you number 31 that special that she would never even dream of breaking that bond with you?

Fair enough. I see your point. Do you think its that much harder for so called " good girls" to do it? Maybe. Btw dont take this debate personally. I got respect for you. Its good to challenge our ideas. Peace

 

[soulforge]

But they all let dudes jizz inside their mouth. Soulforge hear me out when I say this. Most attractive chicks are hoes on some level. I been around the dang on world. Travelled to different countries looking for this mythical good girl with a low body count who is hot. They really dont exist.

Every girl is going to have some hidden evil man. I am not saying be with a girl that has smashed 50 men. I am saying that good girls aint that much less of a risk. I am also saying that if you catch them young enough, they can grow. People do grow. They mature. As long as she is growing spiritually then you might stand a chance.

For example people say " oh dont wife up single mothers". My cousin who is ex college football player alpha dude wifed up a single mother. He now has a great marriage with a new kid. They are going on 10 yrs strong. There are no hard and fast rules.

Agreed most girls are wh0res these days..

The thing is, we don't know which one is or isn't a hoe.

However let's be honest here.. You can sense it when your dealing with a 304.. The way she moves, it's in her behaviour, often they will tell on themselves, they will have personality traits that will have alarm bells ringing.

All I am saying is, it's probably better to stay single & use these 304s for recreationial use only.. like have fun with them, but don't take a tramp & make her the mother of your children, as likely you will get super divorce graped down the line.

End of the day it's free will brother.. We all gotta make choices right.. One thing I have to give the promiscuous girls credit for is, the sex is always damn good.

 

[soulforge]

Fair enough. I see your point. Do you think its that much harder for so called " good girls" to do it? Maybe. Btw dont take this debate personally. I got respect for you. Its good to challenge our ideas. Peace

I don't know man.. to be honest I can only speak from my own experience & what I have observed in my 40 years or so on this earth.

I have noticed that the girls who are young & have very little experience sexualy & have experienced very little trauma, they tend to fall in love with a dude in a very deep way.

It's almost like an irrational, illogical love for a guy.. Dude might be broke as fuk, but she still feels a deep love for him. You kinda become her life, it's this head over heals kinda thing. She probably has a screen saver of your picture in her phone, probably has a diary and writes romantic chit about things you did together haha.

On the other hand, girls who have experienced lots of dik and experienced multiple heartbreaks, toxicity, trauma, they tend to become very hardened to love.. Yeh they can pair bond with you, they can love you, but they can't & won't give you there all..

When things get difficult or complicated in the relationship, they are the ones who are likely to bolt real quick, as moving on is pretty much second nature to them.

All that being said, I have dated a few girls who had a higher notch count & they where pretty good chicks.. But personaly myself, I wouldn't risk starting a family with any one of them.

And I agree with you, the risk we take with the young inexperienced girls is FOMO as they get older... Either way is a risk for us.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Yes I agree but these girls are still so rare. Then on top of that she has to be sane and attractive.

I do not think they are rare, I just think men suck at finding them especially when they envelope the red pill.

1). These women aren't going to be lingering at bars or places men tend to approach women at. Frustrated men do not want to put in the necessary work or nuts of approaching women outside a bar venue. In addition, these women tend to have boyfriends and be emotionally single short periods of time. You would have to catch this woman at the right place and time. Again, you are more than likely not going to do it at a bar. This applies to OLD too!

2). The pessimistic nature of the Red Pill/Manosphere makes it impossible for these men to emotionally connect with women. Let's say this girl does give this guy a chance. How is he going to emotionally connect with her when he thinks all women are sloots practicing hypergamy, women need to go back to legal guardianship, every man deserves to have multiple wives/girlfriends, and etc? In addition, he is only used to messing around with sloots and low quality women because those are the only women that will give him a chance, so how would he even know any better as well? The minute she forgets to text him back because of God knows what, he starts freaking out and assumes it was just his turn and she is riding Chad's **** now. Make it Make Sense LOL! The Red Pill and Manosphere are nothing but an entrapment not a liberation.

 

[soulforge]

I do not think they are rare, I just think men suck at finding them especially when they envelope the red pill.

1). These women aren't going to be lingering at bars or places men tend to approach women at. Frustrated men do not want to put in the necessary work or nuts of approaching women outside a bar venue. In addition, these women tend to have boyfriends and be emotionally single short periods of time. You would have to catch this woman at the right place and time. Again, you are more than likely not going to do it at a bar. This applies to OLD too!

2). The pessimistic nature of the Red Pill/Manosphere makes it impossible for these men to emotionally connect with women. Let's say this girl does give this guy a chance. How is he going to emotionally connect with her when he thinks all women are sloots practicing hypergamy, women need to go back to legal guardianship, every man deserves to have multiple wives/girlfriends, and etc? The minute she forgets to text him back because of God knows what, he starts freaking out and assumes it was just his turn and she is riding Chad's **** now. Make it Make Sense LOL! The Red Pill and Manosphere are nothing but an entrapment not a liberation.

I think us men generally have a gut level instinct & sense for identifying 304s.. You can tell in the way she moves, more often than not, they tell on themselves anyway.

dating apps, clubs, bars... I rule those places out completely for meeting quality girls.

You have to be willing to approach girls in everyday situations in life.. The high street, the supermarket, the shopping mall, the Library or even church.

Even a religious girl is a better option than a bar/club girl.

The good girls do exist, you just have to have a good instinct to identify & approach them.

 

[Pandora]

I don't know man.. to be honest I can only speak from my own experience & what I have observed in my 40 years or so on this earth.

I have noticed that the girls who are young & have very little experience sexualy & have experienced very little trauma, they tend to fall in love with a dude in a very deep way.

It's almost like an irrational, illogical love for a guy.. Dude might be broke as fuk, but she still feels a deep love for him. You kinda become her life, it's this head over heals kinda thing. She probably has a screen saver of your picture in her phone, probably has a diary and writes romantic chit about things you did together haha.

On the other hand, girls who have experienced lots of dik and experienced multiple heartbreaks, toxicity, trauma, they tend to become very hardened to love.. Yeh they can pair bond with you, they can love you, but they can't & won't give you there all..

When things get difficult or complicated in the relationship, they are the ones who are likely to bolt real quick, as moving on is pretty much second nature to them.

All that being said, I have dated a few girls who had a higher notch count & they where pretty good chicks.. But personaly myself, I wouldn't risk starting a family with any one of them.

Look maybe I am being biased like @CBear mentioned. I am self aware enough to admit my biases. This middle eastern girl has red flags I agree. Im not an idiot. I know hoes very well. I was very promiscuous like many of you guys were. For some reason I just think you can make it work with a girl that has issues AS LONG as she is actually growing.

My homie who was a super white boy pimp has been in a long term relationship with an ex hoe/ bpd for 6 yrs. I did not think they would last 1 yr. Now NEVER ever date a BPD. I am not advocating this at all. They do swing together but its 2 girls and him. Actually this is not a good example because she did try to hook up with me but I don't think she smashed another dude.

What I am saying is that some girls become so obsessed with you that they really wont cheat. Even if they are crazy girls. Well, they wont cheat for the first 10 yrs anyway. Every woman becomes a cheating risk as the decades go on.

I have dated normal girls and it did not work out. Normal chicks in the west got their own issues man. If normal " low body count girls" were so good then none of us would be on this site.

I would rather date an attractive girl that is a little crazy, than a mid girl that still has her own issues. Maybe im nuts. Time will tell. Shyt I might get divorced in 5 yrs who knows. I wish I could go to the middle east and get the prime sane tail out there but I cant. Atleast she aint a fat single mother.

All I know is that her family likes me. Me and her get along well ( for the most part). We have fun together. Half my life is gone man I dont care anymore. I know the risks.

 

[Pandora]

I do not think they are rare, I just think men suck at finding them especially when they envelope the red pill.

1). These women aren't going to be lingering at bars or places men tend to approach women at. Frustrated men do not want to put in the necessary work or nuts of approaching women outside a bar venue. In addition, these women tend to have boyfriends and be emotionally single short periods of time. You would have to catch this woman at the right place and time. Again, you are more than likely not going to do it at a bar. This applies to OLD too!

2). The pessimistic nature of the Red Pill/Manosphere makes it impossible for these men to emotionally connect with women. Let's say this girl does give this guy a chance. How is he going to emotionally connect with her when he thinks all women are sloots practicing hypergamy, women need to go back to legal guardianship, every man deserves to have multiple wives/girlfriends, and etc? In addition, he is only used to messing around with sloots and low quality women because those are the only women that will give him a chance, so how would he even know any better as well? The minute she forgets to text him back because of God knows what, he starts freaking out and assumes it was just his turn and she is riding Chad's **** now. Make it Make Sense LOL! The Red Pill and Manosphere are nothing but an entrapment not a liberation.

They are rare. If they were not rare we would not be on this site. I have banged and dated a lot of chicks ( not as much as some of the vets here but still). Most of them have their hidden evil. The ones that were actually good catches you were too young to realize it. Now they are gone.

We are too old to be having crazy standards. Ima keep it real. The best girls were in high school and early college and even those girls would have divorced raped you.

Ive lived in different countries man. One thing I can tell you is that a good woman is rare anywhere on this planet. Just find one and try to make it work.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I think us men generally have a gut level instinct & sense for identifying 304s.. You can tell in the way she moves, more often than not, they tell on themselves anyway.

dating apps, clubs, bars... I rule those places out completely for meeting quality girls.

You have to be willing to approach girls in everyday situations in life.. The high street, the supermarket, the shopping mall, the Library or even church.

Even a religious girl is a better option than a bar/club girl.

The good girls do exist, you just have to have a good instinct to identify & approach them.

Yeah you are not going to find these girls at a bar where you can close in one night. You are going to either have to A). Have the balls & effort to approach women outside a bar, B). Have a strong social circle with these girls. I have met these girls on the apps, but they tend to not be on the apps long & they screen heavily.

 

[CornbreadFed]

They are rare. If they were not rare we would not be on this site. I have banged and dated a lot of chicks ( not as much as some of the vets here but still). Most of them have their hidden evil. The ones that were actually good catches you were too young to realize it. Now they are gone.

So how are you supposed to emotionally connect with an actual good girl when you are holding this "all women have their hidden evil" philosophy?

 

[Pandora]

So how are you supposed to emotionally connect with an actual good girl when you are holding this "all women have their hidden evil" philosophy?

You can emotionally connect. You just eventually find out that no woman is perfect. It takes a lot of dedication to stay with a woman. You have to really be able to overlook ALOT of flaws.

This is especially true if you want a hot one. Most attractive chicks are a pain in the azz on some level. You have to irrationally love them to stay with them.

The girls that are chill, cool, and stable are usually fat or ugly. Just the way it is.

" If you want to happy for the rest of your life, dont make a pretty woman your wife"..Jimmy Soul
" There no such thing, like a woman with good looks who cooks and cleans"...Eminem