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I agree with the points of the intrusion of LAW and the MEDIA. Very well put.
I don't agree with people's perspective on women. There's too many competing issues at play.
First, regarding "bets." If we want to get into investing and gambling, MOST successful investors LOSE more than they win -- it's simply that their WINS carry the day with huge returns -- so if they lose 70% of the time, it's cut at 10% or so stop loss. If they win 30% of the time, it's a huge Return -- 50,100,200% returns. I can reference trading books.
The same mentality applies in VEGAS -- not at all machines, but the ones you do actually affect the outcome, such as blackjack or hold 'em. There you align your bets according to the system and there's plenty of differing systems to arrange bets at different times EVEN with odds stacked against you.
So if we're using the same example, it doesn't fly here, because people do work both the markets and casinos, over time when using a system.
Do we not attempt to implement systems when meeting women or have I been confused for the 8 or more years I been coming here?
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You guys are blanketing ALL women with your perspectives. I GET what you're saying -- marriage is a bad deal because it is increasingly complicated when you add the elements of LAW, TAXES, and the DIVORCE implications -- so we must separate LEGAL marriage with the CONCEPT of marriage, or 2 people/souls coming together.
However, many of you have scarred viewpoints on relationships or women, which again, leads to finding those women who'd never be quality marriage material. I know PLENTY of girls that respect and "hear" what yall are saying right now, but would probably not approach given the underlying attitude.
Rather than hunting for what might be worthy of a committed relationship or even marriage (in whatever sense you want it), you're trying to AVOID landmines. That's a very POOR way to think. To find what you want, you have to think, almost obsessively, about what you want. Your mind can't contain both feelings and images.
That's why I'm not sold on much of what was said. Because I've found a great many women who are good marital material. Not to mention, guys aren't without their faults, who change, screw women over in a divorce, and so on. In most cases, and I deal with Divorcees in my everyday life as part of my JOB, women get phucked more than men.
Both my aunts who were divorced were screwed over. Sure, it was a poor deal for the man, but the women forewent their careers to raise children, were dumped at 15+ years and the men hardly come around during some of the toughest years.
I'm a guy. Been coming here and other places nearly 8 years. My brotheren actually disappoint me, because guys today cite stats, back track, deflect blame, or act the victim, rather than just take action and focus on what they want. Most don't think they have a responsibility to a child, when the plain fact is, if you put your **** in her ***** and you make a baby, do the right thing and raise the child and be there for it.
You can't say she lied about BCPs, or that the condom busted, or she lied about the time of the month, or that she agreed to an abortion. Plain fact is, you had the choice not to proceed that far. You had the choice NOT to bust in her, with or without a condom. You had numerous choices UNTIL you blew a load. Then, your freedom is gone. Not unlike men in society today -- you have choices until they are gone. You have freedoms until you won't fight for 'em.
Granted, guys do get phucked over by the legal system, but no stats are absolute. Nor am I saying LIVING LIFE EQUALS MARRIAGE. What I'm saying is...you can sit there and debate all day, but without taking action, all the gibberish going on is Mental Masturbation and Exercises in Futility anyways.
Relationships come down to people. Yet, anyone can link me stats to back up their claims. Thing is, you're a person. You create your life. Take responsibility for it. Don't come here telling me because stats play out one way, my life or your life will go that way, why bother living then?
You could site stats on flying in planes and crashing, or driving cars and crashing, or w/e, but will that change my choices in life? No.
As far as the 70% of divorces INITIATED by women, you can't determine who's at fault and for what -- very vague stats. Did he cheat? Did she cheat? Was he abusive? Did he not fulfill his promises (women are apt to end a relationship more than a man b/c she cares more about her own emotional fulfillment) ? Did he gain assloads of a weight and do a 180 (most men would cheat, but not divorce if their wife became heavy or obese, because they KNOW the divorce laws suck) ?
I'd say most women also end relationships, too. Most guys here think so logically, they don't end them. How many SS posts are made about a guy losing his girl or she goes on "break" and doesn't come back as planned? MOST girls dump or go on s/t breaks with GUYS. Just scan the posts here. That's not startling to me. Women care about their emotional wellbeing, so they will do what it takes, even if it's wrong, to cure that feeling. Men are less emotional, so they'll endure what seems painful, holding hope that things are fixed.
I'm not SIDING with women, but even persuing SS you'll see that women end relationships more than MEN. Women might be more discreet about cheating, but both parties probably cheat as much. Guys might cheat more b/c they don't see cheating as being an emotional thing, so if he loves his girl, he'll keep his girl, cheat, and hope the guilt doesn't kill him. Conversely, a woman wants to be happy in a relationship, so she will dump him before cheating in a lot of cases, unless she's just that unhappy that she wants to FORCE him to dump her or doesn't care anymore.
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Finally, not talking ABOUT strong women vs strong men. Or w/e. I'm talking about MEN, in a vaccuum, are weaker. They pull more psycho crap today on women than in history. They cry more over a random gf they had as a teenager or college student or whatever, rather than going to get more *****. They don't want to get their hands dirty and would rather live off mommy and daddy and party or smoke pot.
They're disrespectful to their elders like never before. Rather than care for humanity and the world, and view themselves as caretakers through their emotional and physical strength, they play the victim card expecting women to be equally emotionally and physically strong. Men have always bore the difficulties in nature, and in return we are repaid with the great feminine beauty of a good woman and the fruits of nature.
By they, today, cry like they've never been fed. Weak and wimpish, they don't get their hands dirty, dress like metros, and can't handle relationships properly. Rather than be the bigger person, men use their powers against humanity, rather than for it. They play the victim, which in and of itself, indicates weakness, rather than internal strength. They rarely hold doors or take action. Rather than ASK WHAT THEY CAN DO...they are asking what should be done for them.
The pervasive image of "I AM THE PRIZE" is well and good to build your self-confidence, but it tends to tip further and blow up someone to an ego maniac who's done nothing and worth nothing. People of value needn't proclaim it publicly; it shines brightly. People of worth are people you seak to be around. If a person is acting little, disrespectful, or careless, move along. Trying to exact revenge yanks you down to their level.
Men have lost their sense of pride in being a man and need PAYMENT just because we are men. It's stupid and it's why women also don't respond properly. Same as a magnet. Men's magnetism is over kilter. I see it on forum boards and in real life, in friends and unfortunately in male family members. People wonder why life doesn't seem as it should, when in reality, we are always our own worst enemies.
