Why are women exempt from consequences?

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djgirl said:
Ive been following this thread for a while now along with this forum....
At times this forum does feel like a hatred towards women, putting them down constantly etc

Whilst i do agree that some women are sh1t and have no respect for themselves and give us other good women a bad name, i do have to say were not all like that.....I can easily turn around and point out my hatred towards men and the countless bad experiences ive had with them! but i think theres good and bad in both sexes, and i aint no feminist but to make women the less superior, the scum just because you guys have had sh1tty experiences with them is wrong....

Ive had the best of both worlds, and have had problems with both genders. At the end of the day i feel as if you just have to weed out the bad apples to get to the good ones. And just remember if it didnt work out with that chick your crazy about, then look at it as experience and being one step closer to finding your "unique other"
a lot of what is written and misunderstood ont his forum is in part due to guys re evaluating women, if anything its because guys, and I was one of them, overalued women, we put them on pedestals for no good reason other than society, culture, media, religion, whatever promote the virtuous, demure, innocent values of women, which of course we now know is utter c0ck!

this realisation comes as a shock, what is often written is done so out of frustration. I dotn believe there are many on here who genuinely hate women, more often its a case of coming to terms with what appears to have been a deception
 

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carnivale2052 said:
I don't expect any of what I said to be addressed. Brainsick and Waitout have been the only ones that have actually acknowledged anything I said:

"I'm no feminist but I'd like to see you have a child in your stomach for 9 months and go into labor.

I'm guessing you don't get along well with your mother either.

True alpha males aren't on a women hating PUA site. Do you think James Dean, Frank Sinatra, Sean Connery would be on here? There is a nice youtube vid of Sean Connery admitting to Barbara Walters that he smacks his wife. He doesn't even flinch when she asks him..but you can tell she wasn't expecting his answer. If you still will defend him as an alpha male after watching that and not tear him down, I'll give you credit.

Notice how nothing positive is allowed on this site? If there are any "I met a great girl" messages they're followed up by other members saying "Wait until she cheats on you with some badboy."

It's all negative and has nothing to do with improving yourself.I've asked for and read plenty of guys giving other guys advice on here...although I only read the Mature Man section.

life goes on regardless of this site. Most guys manage to find gfs or wives that don't cheat and respect them, guys that aren't at all cool looking or whatever. Why is it that the guys on here are the exception?"What would you define as most? I'll give you that most guys get a gf or wife at some point in life but are you saying MOST don't cheat...I've known a lot to cheat and therefore means they most likely have lost respect too. And I don't know if you're implying that guys that frequent this site don't date or "get" girls or what, but I would beg to differ. This isn't just a site for how to get your first/any girl but how to sucessfully manage relationships you might be in or are about to get in/have been in. And that's just ONE thing this site is about. Hell, I've learned a lot of things in my short time browsing here that don't directly relate to dating. And I can't speak for any other guy here but just having a place I can go and talk to other "mature men", especially anonymously, is great because there was no real male role model in my life. etc etc

None of this has been addressed nor will it. I was just called a troll, a white knight, a feminist, and a fat woman just for having a differing viewpoint.You seem to share the same viewpoint of those groups so it's easy to throw you in to that heap. I would rather refrain from namecalling because I don't do that in real life, and the anononimity of the internet will not have me pretending me to be someone I"m not. Now if you can just get your friend on board with that...

I've also acknowledged many times that there are bad women out there and it's good to be aware of that. They can be easily avoided though. As much as I liked my friend, he should have been smarter than to hug and kiss women on the cheek at the workplace.

I fully acknowledge - and something that this site seems to envy - that women have pvssy power. Women are sex symbols, most men aren't - at least physical appearance wise. Get over it. Part of the reason women have so much power and a select few abuse it is because of guys like the ones on this site going after them for sex. Use whatever beta, alpha online lingo you want, but just by going for a low quality woman for sex, you're giving her more power and then complaining about said power and saying "why can't I find a quality woman?" when you're going after the low quality ones.

Don't badmouth women. They aren't claiming to be something they aren't. If you go after a low quality woman and get hurt, it's not her fault. It's easy to spot them if you aren't thinking with your d1ck.They aren't claiming to be something they aren't??? What? They do this all the time! Everytime some AW'in chick on FB posts something like ,"where are all the good/real men at?", that's what they're doing. They are saying I'm a good quality woman and I deserve a good quality man. Most of these women are seriously flawwed, they've already put up this mountainous qualifier a man has to conquer just to be in her company...it's not good enough just to be who he is already...he has to be SUPER GOOD QUALITY MAN. And if I had a dollar for every woman I dated that represented something she was actually not, I would have a lot of dollars. I don't hate women. I recognize they AREN'T equal(we weren't made to be equal it's obvious), we are NOT the same, we compliment each other, we are different...notice I didn't say one was better than the other. It's okay to point out differences and shortcomings. If you take that as an attack on them, then you are too sensitive in my opinion.
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carnivale2052 said:
I don't expect any of what I said to be addressed. Brainsick and Waitout have been the only ones that have actually acknowledged anything I said:

"I'm no feminist but I'd like to see you have a child in your stomach for 9 months and go into labor.

Did you say this or are you quoting someone else? Regardless, it's a sill statment. Women were BUILT for this role, physically and emotionally. The suggestion of imagining men doing this breaks down because we weren't built for that role. There are many things we men are saddled with that women couldn't even beging to accomplish or maintain. That's why there are are two genders in the world, and that was a good thing until it got perverted by feminism (the media).

I'm guessing you don't get along well with your mother either.

True alpha males aren't on a women hating PUA site. Do you think James Dean, Frank Sinatra, Sean Connery would be on here?

There was never any need for this site back then because men knew what manhood was and women knew what womanhood was. This site is a partial remedy for sick, twisted societal abberation (feminism).

Notice how nothing positive is allowed on this site? If there are any "I met a great girl" messages they're followed up by other members saying "Wait until she cheats on you with some badboy."

Patently untrue. I've seen lots of posts where a guy found a girl and was told "Good for you. I wish you well". Usually if there are warnings as you suggest it is because there are warning signs present.

It's all negative and has nothing to do with improving yourself.

Not true. This site is mostly about "Develop oneself to one's fullest potential FIRST and foremost".

life goes on regardless of this site. Most guys manage to find gfs or wives that don't cheat and respect them, guys that aren't at all cool looking or whatever. Why is it that the guys on here are the exception?"

Again, totally untrue. In actual fact, by far, most guys manage to find wives or gfs who end up despising them and not respecting them at all, except to the extent that public displays allow. WHat you might see on the surface is often nopt what is really happening in the relationship dynamic. Women for the past 40 years have been systematically trained to despise manhood and regard it as a threat.

None of this has been addressed nor will it. I was just called a troll, a white knight, a feminist, and a fat woman just for having a differing viewpoint.

You do sound like a feminist to me, albeit one who hasn't been able to remove himself from his feminized education in order to see a realistic perspective. You were educated by a feminized system and you are the product of that. Therefore you view realistic evaluation as "misogyny".

I've also acknowledged many times that there are bad women out there and it's good to be aware of that. They can be easily avoided though. As much as I liked my friend, he should have been smarter than to hug and kiss women on the cheek at the workplace.

It is a sad, sad fact that most (virtually all) women today have been brainwashed into a delusion of grandeur by the media, and they treat men accordingly. Therefore most women need to be guided and corrected in their perceptions. They do not take their social cues from an internal locus as we men do. Rather, all their beliefs come from outside of themselves. This makes them extremely easy to decieve and the media, by feeding their insatioable egos, has succeeded in doing just that.

I fully acknowledge - and something that this site seems to envy - that women have pvssy power. Women are sex symbols, most men aren't - at least physical appearance wise.

True.

Get over it. Part of the reason women have so much power and a select few abuse it is because of guys like the ones on this site going after them for sex.

False. Most abuse it, and it is so deeply ingrained in them because they have been sitting in front of the electronic hypnotizer (TV) for all their lives. Rebellion has become so deeply entrenched in them that they are incapable of recognizing this intellectually. They can only "FEEL" that their world-view breaks down in the presence of a man who has no regard for tiptoeing around their house of cards. When in the presence of such a man, they instinctively start SERVING him, because deep down that is what they were designed to do. Very few of you here know this. Show her the hand, and she becomes subservient because that's what she needs, what is hard-wired into her.

Use whatever beta, alpha online lingo you want, but just by going for a low quality woman for sex, you're giving her more power and then complaining about said power and saying "why can't I find a quality woman?" when you're going after the low quality ones.

Absolutely true.

Don't badmouth women. They aren't claiming to be something they aren't. If you go after a low quality woman and get hurt, it's not her fault. It's easy to spot them if you aren't thinking with your d1ck.
On the contrary, the vast majority are indeed claiming to be something they aren't. They are claiming to have traditionally male characteristics (strength, confidence, fortitude, ability to think rationally, etc.), none of which they actually have. They are delusional, based strictly on what the media shoves down their ever-hungry throats.

This is not "misogyny", but rather an honest and realistic evaluation of the facts that we men are forced to deal with. And this site hepls men to start to deal with it.

We were taught to be nice guys. We were taught to be respectful and selfless around women. And women have grown to despise those very traits because of their innate superficiality and immense egos. We are in a twisted world where a man who just wants to be a decent, respectful guy gets chewed up and spat out. I've said it before and I'll say it again... Women today are not sane. They are literally insane because they are so easily brainswashed. And a large part of that is that men haven't had the backbone to stem that tide. Male politicians want votes. Hence, no standing up to feminism. The media wants to transfer the dollar out of women's pockets and into theirs. Hence, the feeding of the ego, the scratching them where they itch.

The problem cannot be approached or solved unless and until fully defined. We are rapidly approaching full definition, and some men are starting to step up to the plate, challenging the current state of affairs one interaction at a time.

There are roughly two kinds of guys on this site... The ones looking for quick lays (who are useless for turning things around), and the ones who are looking for a relationship (who have the power to start making societal changes by demanding repect from women). The quick lay guys will always accept the game for what it is and have little desire to change things. The deeper thinkers will start to realize that they can be a part of effecting change in tiny increments until critical mass is acheived.

Soon it will be unecessary to define the problem, and we men will be engaged in taking back our authority in this world (OUR world, that WE built with the support of women BEHIND us). But for now, men who are trying to open the eyes of others will be labeled "misogynist" and such by some, because they cannot currently step outside of their feminized education and see harsh reality. So be it. Those guys will be the last ones to become enlightened.
 

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Let's see:

We engage in deep thought? Check

We are the few that are enlightened? Check

Everyone else is wrong and we are right? Check

Sounds like a cult to me and anyone else, including men that get more women than any of you could ever imagine.

"a lot of what is written and misunderstood ont his forum is in part due to guys re evaluating women, if anything its because guys, and I was one of them, overalued women, we put them on pedestals for no good reason other than society, culture, media, religion, whatever promote the virtuous, demure, innocent values of women, which of course we now know is utter c0ck!

this realisation comes as a shock, what is often written is done so out of frustration. I dotn believe there are many on here who genuinely hate women, more often its a case of coming to terms with what appears to have been a deception"

Betherman, it isn't society's fault that you guys watched too many chick flicks and mistook it for reality. For every romantic comedy, there's also a movie like fear or edward scissorhands where the girl stays with the abusive bad boy despite knowing better and there is no happy ending.

Big deal, you found out the easter bunny didn't exist. It's good to know that women aren't these innocent creatures, beyond that the rest of it is just ridiculous. If you want to spend the rest of your lives projecting your own anger and frustrations onto a gender, it's your lives, not mine.
 

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I think he was saying the realization and evening out process of reality is like a pendulum. At first, a lot are misled into believing we must be nice guys(might be due to single moms) and it's this fallacy is reinforced by western culture. When we finally get some experience and realize after some horrible encounters this is not what works, we maybe go to the other extreme and either hate women(although that's a bit harsh) or try to be *******s. Some on here might be in that part of the pendulum swing but later it will come back to the natural middle where you don't need to worship or hate women, be yourself. And then even later you find out that being your best self is even better..that's all you have to work with anyway.

Maybe because you're so sensitive on the subject of guy's hatred towards women that all you seem to pick up on are those type posts?
 

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disgustipated said:
I think he was saying the realization and evening out process of reality is like a pendulum. At first, a lot are misled into believing we must be nice guys(might be due to single moms) and it's this fallacy is reinforced by western culture. When we finally get some experience and realize after some horrible encounters this is not what works, we maybe go to the other extreme and either hate women(although that's a bit harsh) or try to be *******s. Some on here might be in that part of the pendulum swing but later it will come back to the natural middle where you don't need to worship or hate women, be yourself. And then even later you find out that being your best self is even better..that's all you have to work with anyway.

Maybe because you're so sensitive on the subject of guy's hatred towards women that all you seem to pick up on are those type posts?
Being your best self would be ideal, but it seems a lot of guys on here have fully decided to go to the other extreme and just say "fvck it I'll try to be an a**h0le." I mean atom's reply and he's in his 50s sounded rush lindbaugh esque and he isn't the only one. It has nothing to do in their case with finding that middle ground and being a better you and has everything to do with outright mad at the world sh1t and misdirected anger.

Believe it or not I've got in similar arguments with true feminists and men-bashers. Extremism either way is dangerous. A board I'm on has this moderator that is the female version of a lot of guys on this site and she alienates men and women alike.
 

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Would you classify a guy that openly admits to smackin his wife when she deserved it, an *******, an alpha, or mysoginist?

I'm curious how you reconcile your previous statement of Sean Connery being alpha when he freely admits this.
 

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My point was that a guy like him wouldn't seek out this site in the first place. Even if he weren't rich and famous, he'd be out there doing his thing.

I don't care who's alpha and who isn't. I actually live my life by your guidelines, trying to be a better me. I fully know what some women are capable of. Dating-wise I don't care how good a woman looks, if she's a bad person or has a sh1tty personality, she's ugly by my book. It seems from browsing the sub-forums on here that a lot of guys will put up with almost anything if he thinks she's hot and wants to sleep with her.

Danger, if you weren't one of the brainwashed "enlightened" you'd see the entire post was full of bitterness towards women. I realized I questioned the leader, but I'm not going to talk to you because you already drank the koolaid.

I'm actually done here. If you reply, you're talking to thin air because I'm gone. I realized that a lot of you have already gone off the deep end, are so devoted to the cause as to be lost causes. You think you're right, nothing's going to change that. The world is wrong, out to get men, the world hates men when ironically you're the ones full of hatred.
 

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Don't be one of those people when challenged says I'm done here and avoids all types of challenging conversation. It's okay to be wrong, it's okay to admit you're wrong(I'm not saying you are) but if someone sways you off of an original conviction you had, you don't need to go ghost and abandon any other points you might have wanted to discuss....it doesn't make them any less valid.
 

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carnivale2052 said:
Betherman, it isn't society's fault that you guys watched too many chick flicks and mistook it for reality. For every romantic comedy, there's also a movie like fear or edward scissorhands where the girl stays with the abusive bad boy despite knowing better and there is no happy ending.

Big deal, you found out the easter bunny didn't exist. It's good to know that women aren't these innocent creatures, beyond that the rest of it is just ridiculous. If you want to spend the rest of your lives projecting your own anger and frustrations onto a gender, it's your lives, not mine.
Ive never said it is solely societies fault, as for me being angry and frustrated? am I? do you know me? its ok for you to generalise now?
you are clearly female and sh!t stirring
 
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WWWWOOOOWWWW<<<

you all think you are enlightened and accusing Carnivale of being a ****-stirring female, I am reading this and I am happy that I am actually enlightened....i HAVE FIGURED IT OUT!!! HERE WE GO-

You sound like a bunch of GAY guys who are TRYING to act ALPHA and damning females.....to convince yourselves in your own minds that your NOT GAY (but you are)!!!

I mean I saw a comment back there that said something along the lines of "just because I want to f#@k a woman doesnt mean that I respect them"......
SAYS IT RIGHT THERE!!! YOU WILL f#@k THEM WITHOUT RESPECTING THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY!!!!

or with the same mentallity you might as well screw a farm animal!!! You dont have to respect that either!!! (and its probably easier!)

I AM SHOCKED, AND amused at how many of you talk like there is all these conspiracies among women culture and how they have unreasonable expectations of men and such......
I TREATED WOMEN JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, AND IN TURN I HAD SEX WITH MORE WOMEN THEN I EVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED!! ITS EASY!!!!!! JUST GO BE NICE AND GET LAID, THATS IT!!

Perhaps its because the only bad experiences I had with females were my fault (and I am man enough to admit it) and that I have had nothing but good luck and good *****(prior to getting married last year) -that I believe firmly females are just like men and want mostly what we want, and they are not evil *****es.

again, sorry that you all think your right, and you can explain it away all you want, but I AM right (along with most of us out here in the real world, NOT JERKIN IT AND HIDING BEHIND A MONITOR AND KEYBOARD) and that you are all confused about your sexually, or have mommy issues, OR your just PLAIN.... GAY!!:kick:
 

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brainsickirishman said:
WWWWOOOOWWWW<<<

you all think you are enlightened and accusing Carnivale of being a ****-stirring female, I am reading this and I am happy that I am actually enlightened....i HAVE FIGURED IT OUT!!! HERE WE GO-

You sound like a bunch of GAY guys who are TRYING to act ALPHA and damning females.....to convince yourselves in your own minds that your NOT GAY (but you are)!!!

I mean I saw a comment back there that said something along the lines of "just because I want to f#@k a woman doesnt mean that I respect them"......
SAYS IT RIGHT THERE!!! YOU WILL f#@k THEM WITHOUT RESPECTING THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY!!!!

or with the same mentallity you might as well screw a farm animal!!! You dont have to respect that either!!! (and its probably easier!)

I AM SHOCKED, AND amused at how many of you talk like there is all these conspiracies among women culture and how they have unreasonable expectations of men and such......
I TREATED WOMEN JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, AND IN TURN I HAD SEX WITH MORE WOMEN THEN I EVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED!! ITS EASY!!!!!! JUST GO BE NICE AND GET LAID, THATS IT!!

Perhaps its because the only bad experiences I had with females were my fault (and I am man enough to admit it) and that I have had nothing but good luck and good *****(prior to getting married last year) -that I believe firmly females are just like men and want mostly what we want, and they are not evil *****es.

again, sorry that you all think your right, and you can explain it away all you want, but I AM right (along with most of us out here in the real world, NOT JERKIN IT AND HIDING BEHIND A MONITOR AND KEYBOARD) and that you are all confused about your sexually, or have mommy issues, OR your just PLAIN.... GAY!!:kick:
just how full of sh!t can any one person be? you just cant be taken seriously
 
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Unfortunate for you, I am not full of sh#t, and you must actually be gay! Actually I am taking a big ole' s#it all over what you have previously posted!
Hold on......I am out of toilet paper, let me yell for my beautiful redheaded young and big titted wife to come bring me another roll! Cuz, you are probably going to make another GAY response that I am going to have to sh#t all over!

If your gay, I would go get that checked!
 

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Come on man, you're either trolling or you're straight lying OR you're telling the truth and incredibly good looking but dumb.

No one as goofy as you(if you're telling the truth) is moderate looking and used ANY game whatsoever, which you haven't claimed, to get a hot piece. I'm less likely to take advice on chicks from a guy that is great looking and has no idea why he really gets women than a guy who is moderate to below average but yet has good self awareness and has sucess. You're obviously not the latter because your posts indicate you aren't rational enough for that, or like I said your trolling.

At least be clever about it, you're showing your hand too much.
 
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Alright, since u were not malicious, I will talk to u seriously, like I had been doing before everybody flipped out. I am a decent looking guy who is smart, shotand, outgoing, and
 
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Technical difficulties, will respond tommorow from a working device without predictive typing.

Sincerely,
Your Alpha
 

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I probably won't be posting for a while because I'm going to Ireland.
It seems you can be a complete moron and still get chicks over there....
 

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brainsickirishman said:
i HAVE FIGURED IT OUT!!! HERE WE GO-
You sound like a bunch of GAY guys
brainsickirishman said:
to convince yourselves in your own minds that your NOT GAY (but you are)!!!
brainsickirishman said:
SAYS IT RIGHT THERE!!! YOU WILL f#@k THEM WITHOUT RESPECTING THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY!!!!
brainsickirishman said:
have mommy issues, OR your just PLAIN.... GAY!!
brainsickirishman said:
Unfortunate for you, I am not full of sh#t, and you must actually be gay
brainsickirishman said:
you are probably going to make another GAY response
brainsickirishman said:
If your gay, I would go get that checked!

........So what are you trying to say here? :confused:
 

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Take notice men.

Our resident female troll provides a fine example of the lack of female accountability....they will literally say any trash that comes to mind to feed their egos even (especially) in the face of stone cold logic.

she has made my original point exceedingly well...

the original post: The interesting thing about women becoming increasingly exempt from consequences is that it is precisely this that keeps them so far behind men in terms of achievement and contributing to civilization. Men’s greatness isn’t derived from being leaders, board directors, scientists etc – it comes from them being held accountable for their actions. Without this, nothing great is possible. Yet women, especially feminists, shrink from this almost violently. It’s very easy to come to the conclusion that women’s advocates haven’t really been interested in rising to become men’s equals, but have instead only formulated ways of securing status and wealth for themselves.

Since women have never needed to prove themselves in any way other than to bear children, it’s arguable that it will be forever thus. They may well have hitched a ride out of the jungle on the backs of men’s ingenuity – there was never any evolutionary necessity for them to rise above their primal state. If this is the cold reality of it, then by admitting them into all ranks of life, our future is very bleak indeed.
 

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Burroughs said:
Take notice men.

Our resident female troll provides a fine example of the lack of female accountability....they will literally say any trash that comes to mind to feed their egos even (especially) in the face of stone cold logic.

she has made my original point exceedingly well...

the original post: The interesting thing about women becoming increasingly exempt from consequences is that it is precisely this that keeps them so far behind men in terms of achievement and contributing to civilization. Men’s greatness isn’t derived from being leaders, board directors, scientists etc – it comes from them being held accountable for their actions. Without this, nothing great is possible. Yet women, especially feminists, shrink from this almost violently. It’s very easy to come to the conclusion that women’s advocates haven’t really been interested in rising to become men’s equals, but have instead only formulated ways of securing status and wealth for themselves.

Since women have never needed to prove themselves in any way other than to bear children, it’s arguable that it will be forever thus. They may well have hitched a ride out of the jungle on the backs of men’s ingenuity – there was never any evolutionary necessity for them to rise above their primal state. If this is the cold reality of it, then by admitting them into all ranks of life, our future is very bleak indeed.
Very well articulated.
 
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