Why are Some Guys So Against Cold Approach/Daygame

[Velasco]

manipulative

This is good example of manipulation

Is this rape?

My friend was dating x. My friend and x and had been arguing... Friend 2 swoops in and tells x that friend 1 was ****ing another girl and has moved on... Friend 2, who I no longer consider a friend lied as friend 1 was with me and the boys the whole weekend (he's my roommate) and was actually...

www.skilledseducer.com

Again for a definition of psychological manipulation

Psychological manipulation is a type of social influence that aims to change the behavior or perception of others through indirect, deceptive, or underhanded tactics. By advancing the interests of the manipulator, often at another's expense, such methods could be considered exploitative and devious.

lying

about your age
what you do for a living, where you live, your name, etc. all fall under this term.
Lesser devious ones include, the way you dress, cologne, hairstyle, confidence/extroverted (alcohol) because all theses things change the perception of others. which serves your purposes.

 

[corrector]

Sex is not easy to get. If it were, sexlessness rates would be lower.

It is for him, but not for us. Remember, the experience of a normie-tier and chad-tier is different. @Pan87 also sounds chad-tier.
You have to take what they all write with a grain of salt and say "of course, it works for them". Otherwise, they would be sounding more like @DonJuanjr or @Josh Davidson. You can tell what quality of experience posters are getting from women out there based on what they are posting and you can see if that can fit into your schema or not.

I have gotten approached by women less than 5 times in my life and I’m in my late 30s. I’d be impressed by it.

That's again Normie-tier experience. Believe it or not, it's better than the sub-5 experience. There are guys who have it worst than we do, and others who have it way better.

 

[Serenity]

Lesser devious ones include, the way you dress, cologne, hairstyle, confidence/extroverted (alcohol) because all theses things change the perception of others. which serves your purposes.

I would not call these manipulation at all, more like influence. To influence others decisions is a completely normal everyday thing to do, it's when we do it without regard for others that it's called manipulation. Dressing, smelling and doing your hair well is not something that harms others. Gaining a temporary sense of confidence in itself also doesn't harm others, but it depends what you do when drinking though.

Changing the behavior or perceptions of others is by itself not enough to call it manipulation, it's particularly when you should reasonably assume it's at the expense of the other person that it's manipulation. Even manipulation is something everyone does, but decent people try to minimize this in themselves.

Lying is no doubt a manipulation tactic though.

 

[SW15]

It is for him, but not for us. Remember, the experience of a normie-tier and chad-tier is different.

That's again Normie-tier experience. Believe it or not, it's better than the sub-5 experience. There are guys who have it worst than we do, and others who have it way better.

A few weeks ago, I defined tiers of men based upon the combination of looks, money, status, and persona. Below is what I stated.

1. Top tier (The top 10% of men). This is the 90th percentile +
2. Second tier. The 70th to 89th percentile
3. Average The 40th to 69th percentile
4. Below average The 11th to 39th percentile
5. The bottom. The lowest 10 percent of men. Often times a part of this group are called omega males.

I believe my combination falls in high average to low second tier. I have a solid notch count and some good relationships in the past 20+ years of participation in the mating environment. I've also dealt with a lot of rejection, drama, and overall bad behavior.

While only the top tier are suited to participate in swipe apps, the second tier and average men can get results with non-bar approaching.

 

[corrector]

A few weeks ago, I defined tiers of men based upon the combination of looks, money, status, and persona. Below is what I stated.

1. Top tier (The top 10% of men). This is the 90th percentile +
2. Second tier. The 70th to 89th percentile
3. Average The 40th to 69th percentile
4. Below average The 11th to 39th percentile
5. The bottom. The lowest 10 percent of men. Often times a part of this group are called omega males.

I believe my combination falls in high average to low second tier. I have a solid notch count and some good relationships in the past 20+ years of participation in the mating environment. I've also dealt with a lot of rejection, drama, and overall bad behavior.

While only the top tier are suited to participate in swipe apps, the second tier and average men can get results with non-bar approaching.

I think that there are three major groupings on how men are treated by women which is why the blackpill idea has traction. Are you suggesting there are 5 different ways that women treat classes of men? Can you elaborate further on your system?

 

[Velasco]

I would not call these manipulation at all, more like influence.

yes why I call them less devious ones. these ones are simple things that convey L (hairstyle, facial hair, skin (tan)) M (cologne, clothing) S (confidence (indirect way of conveying status because of the implication of what confident people's life is like (social connections/ex lovers/high status position). whether you have them (just being yourself) or not (lying).

As an aside, I like the definition of seduction listed under the psychological manipulation's wiki page:

• Seduction: Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust to the manipulator. They will also offer help with the intent to gain trust and access to an unsuspecting victim they have charmed.

Trust = allows her to come home with you. she can be attracted to your fundamentals, but if there is no trust that you won't harm her (perception created through demonstrating social calibration and congruence), she won't allow herself to be seduced by you.

 

[corrector]

yes why I call them less devious ones. these ones are simple things that convey L (hairstyle, facial hair, skin (tan)) M (cologne, clothing) S (confidence (indirect way of conveying status because of the implication of what confident people's life is like (social connections/ex lovers/high status position). whether you have them (just being yourself) or not (lying).

As an aside, I like the definition of seduction listed under the psychological manipulation's wiki page:

• Seduction: Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust to the manipulator. They will also offer help with the intent to gain trust and access to an unsuspecting victim they have charmed.

Trust = allows her to come home with you. she can be attracted to your fundamentals, but if there is no trust that you won't harm her (perception created through demonstrating social calibration and congruence), she won't allow herself to be seduced by you.

And trust = your looks score.

 

[Velasco]

S (confidence (indirect way of conveying status because of the implication of what confident people's life is like (social connections/ex lovers/high status position)

I do like this connection between status and confidence so I'll make another comment about it.

Its said that the difference in men and women's attraction to the opposite sex, is that the number one thing they like is different. For men its looks. For women its status (provided he isn't physically repulsive to her).

Confidence is also the number 1 thing constantly listed as #1 on girls list of what is attractive to them. What they miss is the asterisk *provided he isn't physically repulsive to me.

Autistic shy Chad with no friends loses out to fun of the party Chad-lite 10 out of 10 times (anyone who debates this either 1) isn't observant of social dynamics 2) watches too many incel videos.

One comment I remember by YaReally was that if you walk into a high end club, dressed in normal clothes while everyone is dressed up to the 9s. They'll think you are high status because you MUST be someone if your not following the dress code everyone else must abide by. However, if your a shy guy who is subcommunicating to the room that you feel you are out of place, then you don't get the attached "high status" label. Instead quickly reverted to socially uncalibrated werido status. Its only when you are confident that you ARE in the right place, that this prominent high status label gets associated with you.

 

[Velasco]

And trust = your looks score.

I'm sure as an ugly guy you have still talked with girls that were attracted to you (think back all of your life before replying for a second). and then you lost them once you demonstrated autistic-serial killer like behavior. that turned them off. this is them losing their trust in you, that you won't harm/make things (like sex) awkward.

 

[corrector]

I'm sure as an ugly guy you have still talked with girls that were attracted to you (think back all of your life before replying for a second). and then you lost them once you demonstrated autistic-serial killer like behavior. that turned them off. this is them losing their trust in you, that you won't harm/make things (like sex) awkward.

You are virtue signaling. Say when comminicating with a lady online and she is enthuiastic with me then I have lost her in two occasions once she saw my picture. The only difference was she saw my picture.

 

[Velasco]

your telling me youve never spoken to a girl in real life?

 

[corrector]

your telling me youve never spoken to a girl in real life?

Yes of course. The last lady ignored me when she was next to a chadlite. We had a good rapport before.

Let me guess you never had a bad online experience like that or have been amoged by another dude?

 

[SW15]

A few weeks ago, I defined tiers of men based upon the combination of looks, money, status, and persona. Below is what I stated.

1. Top tier (The top 10% of men). This is the 90th percentile +
2. Second tier. The 70th to 89th percentile
3. Average The 40th to 69th percentile
4. Below average The 11th to 39th percentile
5. The bottom. The lowest 10 percent of men. Often times a part of this group are called omega males.

I believe my combination falls in high average to low second tier. I have a solid notch count and some good relationships in the past 20+ years of participation in the mating environment. I've also dealt with a lot of rejection, drama, and overall bad behavior.

While only the top tier are suited to participate in swipe apps, the second tier and average men can get results with non-bar approaching.

I think that there are three major groupings on how men are treated by women which is why the blackpill idea has traction. Are you suggesting there are 5 different ways that women treat classes of men? Can you elaborate further on your system?

As I see it, women treat top tier men the best. They give them the sex fastest and most consistently. Women do typically "beta male" type behaviors like being clingy to be with them, especially the average looking women.

A second tier will experience more negative treatment but still have a solid experience.

Average tier men are most definitely beta and are treatment shabbily often. Many keep girlfriends and experience droughts in between relationships. Average tier men get fewer one night stands if they seek them because women save fast sex for higher tiers.

Below average and the bottom are invisible to women. Or, they are objects of disdain.

 

[Velasco]

Yes of course. The last lady ignored me when she was next to a chadlite. We had a good rapport before.

good rapport doesn't mean she was attracted to you. i have good rapport with a couple of my female friends that i will never fvck cuz I'm not attracted to them. the guy she was next to, she was attracted to. i'm talking about a girl that was attracted to you. if you can't tell when a girl is attracted to you, then I'm wasting my time. And no I've never been amoged. I've only been amoged trying to take a girl off a guy she was attracted to.

 

[corrector]

As I see it, women treat top tier men the best. They give them the sex fastest and most consistently. Women do typically "beta male" type behaviors like being clingy to be with them, especially the average looking women.

A second tier will experience more negative treatment but still have a solid experience.

Average tier men are most definitely beta and are treatment shabbily often. Many keep girlfriends and experience droughts in between relationships. Average tier men get fewer one night stands if they seek them because women save fast sex for higher tiers.

Below average and the bottom are invisible to women. Or, they are objects of disdain.

You combined the last two groups so its really one group that sounds similar to sub-5s. Again its your groupings but I think as blackpill is getting allot of traction that their groupings will likely be the gold standard.

 

[Velasco]

Below average and the bottom are invisible to women. Or, they are objects of disdain.

below average men, like corrector, are there by their own choice. He self admitted he is overweight and I've read his creepy photo post so i know there are some personality flaws. along with general pessimism. when you put all those together (overweight, creepy, pessimist), its no wonder girls don't want to associate with someone like that.

 

[corrector]

good rapport doesn't mean she was attracted to you. i have good rapport with a couple of my female friends that i will never fvck cuz I'm not attracted to them. the guy she was next to, she was attracted to. i'm talking about a girl that was attracted to you. if you can't tell when a girl is attracted to you, then I'm wasting my time. And no I've never been amoged. I've only been amoged trying to take a girl off a guy she was attracted to.

Sure you are right, you are wasting your time. Women are not attracted to me because I am too ugly. That must make you feel good to dump on me so you can live in your deluded virtue signalling world. Good for you.

People like you would probably rope if you had my looks.

 

[Serenity]

As an aside, I like the definition of seduction listed under the psychological manipulation's wiki page:

• Seduction: Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust to the manipulator. They will also offer help with the intent to gain trust and access to an unsuspecting victim they have charmed.

Trust = allows her to come home with you. she can be attracted to your fundamentals, but if there is no trust that you won't harm her (perception created through demonstrating social calibration and congruence), she won't allow herself to be seduced by you.

I don't like that definition at all, too biased towards the negative connotations, so to me it's only half right. Look at the usage of the word "manipulator" and "victim", makes sense for a wiki about manipulation in the negative sense though. I much prefer the way Wikipedia describes it.

Seduction, seen negatively, involves temptation and enticement, often sexual in nature, to lead someone astray into a behavioral choice they would not have made if they were not in a state of sexual arousal. Seen positively, seduction is a synonym for the act of charming someone—male or female—by an appeal to the senses, often with the goal of reducing unfounded fears and leading to their "sexual emancipation." Some sides in contemporary academic debate state that the morality of seduction depends on the long-term impacts on the individuals concerned, rather than the act itself, and may not necessarily carry the negative connotations expressed in dictionary definitions

As you see it's not as simple as seduction being a good or bad act, it's more of a gray area. I'd say it ultimately comes down to whether you also care about the other person or only yourself. How someone goes about seducing will differ depending on which one it is. Someone who mainly just cares about their own sexual urges will apply more devious tactics to achieve that. Someone who also genuinely cares about the other person will be more considerate and not rely mostly on trickery to achieve their goal by any means necessary.

 

[SW15]

below average men are there by their own choice. He self admitted he is overweight and I've read his creepy photo post so i know there are some personality flaws. along with general pessimism. when you put all those together (overweight, creepy, pessimist), its no wonder girls don't want to associate with someone like that.

To a large degree, this is true. Weight can be controlled via diet and exercise. I care about my physique. My BMI is in the normal range. I need to be more muscular but I have not worked on that enough over time. This has kept me away from the top tier. Pessimism can be controlled too.

The money part of the equation can't be controlled as easily because macroeconomic conditions have a lot to do with success. Ask any Millennial who finished a bachelor's or master's level degree between the 2007-08 and 2010-11 school years about graduating into a shiit economy.

SMV is looks, money, status, and persona. Variables in looks and persona can be most controlled at the individual level.

 

[corrector]

Weight can be controlled via diet and exercise.

When you are over 40, or my age 45, the metabolism slows down so its easier to pack in pounds and harder to lose weight compared to younger ages.