Who are the "DOGS", men or women?

[DavenJuan]

I cannot figure out why Hollywood makes movies about women who cheat on their husband/fiance and promote itr as a "love story" . The first one to mind is "TITANIC". The story is quite blatantly about a women on a cruise ship who fukks some cute 'bad boy' who makes her 'feel' something that her fiance does not. Of course her fiance is portrayed as boring and very starched up, and those qualities apparently justified her cheating. The whole movie was a celebration of a women fukking a stranger because she "felt" like it.
I wonder how many real world women followed her example.

Secondly when did you ever see a movie which promoted and celebrated a MAN cheating on his fiance because of his infatuation with another woman ?

SAVING SILVERMAN

A GUY THING

JUNGLE FEVER

MY BEST FRIENDS WEDDING

a few and far between, but there are some out there

 

[AFC Savior]

SAVING SILVERMAN

A GUY THING

JUNGLE FEVER

MY BEST FRIENDS WEDDING

a few and far between, but there are some out there

The Heartbreak Kid!!!!

when Ben Stiller cheats on his wife on their honeymoon!!!

 

[STR8UP]

Somehing weird happened to me last semester.

I had a seminar for anthroplogy class, and my group was one woman and one boy. The woman is married, 31 y old, and I never showed to her any sign of interest or flirt. One day our hands crossed "by accident", and from there on she will always find a way to hold my hand and Squeeze.
Now, this woman is married, and I don't know what to do. She is 5 years older and doesn't look bad. I don't think I wanto fck her, but if she keeps it going, I might not to resist and make a move.

I don't pursue married or "taken" women. Neither do most of my friends. But a lot of these women have a hair trigger. All you have to do is breathe on it the right way and it's GAME ON.

It goes right back to women's constant search for the BBD. They ALWAYS have their eyes open to a better opportunity. Men go into relationships thinking they can relax and enjoy their relationship, women go into a relationship and as soon as the initial rush has worn off they start looking around.

I've found that for women it's an all or nothing proposition. If you could keep them in that constant state of euphoria they would NEVER look anywhere else. But it's like as soon as the drug wears off they have to go in search of another fix. guys don't get near the "high", so we don't "crash" and go into withdraw. It's more of a linear thing.

This is one of the reasons why women do what they do. If she were to end her CURRENT relationship she is at least comfortable in before starting a new one, it would be like locking a crack addict in a room for a few days without the ability to get high. They will crash, and they want to avoid that at all costs.

 

[Señor Fingers]

STR8UP,

The hard truth is that people today don't give a rat's nutsack about honor or commitment. Just the other day I had a girl practically reach into my pants even though she knew I was married.

The key word in that last sentence is girl and I think it's worth pointing out.

To put it simply, anyone who is driven primarily by their emotions or physical impulses is terribly immature. They haven't learned the basic principal of cause and effect, garbage in, garbage out.

When a girl flourishes into a woman you don't see this type of behavior. That desperate search for external fulfillment is just not there and these are the type of good and faithful women we all dream of.

Unfortunately, grown women are a rare breed these days. Girls just refuse to grow the fukk up, and I think that's what makes us lose patience. You work hard on yourself and try to be a good guy... honest, loyal and fair. Then you see these hoebags who have no principles and its disheartening.

Same thing can be said for guys though. People in general refuse to grow up.. why should they? It would mean making sacrifices, letting go of bad habits and facing their dark sides. This is the last thing on the mind of someone trying to numb themselves out or looking for their next easy fix of fulfillment.

Wide and paved is the road to destruction... narrow and difficult is the path to enlightenment.

It's not easy to grow up in a society that worships youth, folly and pure stimulation. We are products of our environment and the quality of the merchandise is only as good as the programming.

So be prepared to meet more shining examples of children trapped in adult bodies. The only way out is to grow up yourself and not tolerate that kind of BS, either by steering clear of those folks or just ignoring their drama. Otherwise you become infected by their toxic habits and your personal growth becomes stunted.

Personally I needed a break from the scene for this exact reason. I got tired of shady people backstabbing each other and at the same time playing the sophisticated role of an evolved human being..the hypocrisy is revolting! I took almost a year sabbatical from clubs, chicks.. everything.. totally monked out to clean my spirit of that toxic sh!t.

Maybe you could use a nice monk phase... sort out your own issues in a state of total sobreity. Just a thought...

Regardless, I hope you dont end up on the wide road... you seem way too smart for that.

 

[Aenigma]

The key word in that last sentence is girl and I think it's worth pointing out.

To put it simply, anyone who is driven primarily by their emotions or physical impulses is terribly immature. They haven't learned the basic principal of cause and effect, garbage in, garbage out.

When a girl flourishes into a woman you don't see this type of behavior. That desperate search for external fulfillment is just not there and these are the type of good and faithful women we all dream of.

Unfortunately, grown women are a rare breed these days. Girls just refuse to grow the fukk up, and I think that's what makes us lose patience. You work hard on yourself and try to be a good guy... honest, loyal and fair. Then you see these hoebags who have no principles and its disheartening.

Same thing can be said for guys though. People in general refuse to grow up.. why should they? It would mean making sacrifices, letting go of bad habits and facing their dark sides. This is the last thing on the mind of someone trying to numb themselves out or looking for their next easy fix of fulfillment.

From a certain perspective I can understand what you're saying. However, I disagree with you for multiple reasons.

Women's reproductive behaviors (just like our own) are molded by countless eons of evolution. Their reproductive behaviors, utlimately, are "designed" to access the best possible genes for their children and ensure their survival. The "physical and emotional responses" that woman experience are, from the perspective of evolutionary biology, mechanisms to control behavior; mechansims to ensure that a woman mates with the best possible source of genetic material. How do you think that these mechanisms evolved to be so powerful in the first place? Women (and females of our prehuman ancestors) who obeyed those impulses mated with the best possible source of genetic material available to them. They had children who were more attractive, intelligent, and able then the women who "controlled" those impulses and mated with males who were sub-prime. The laws of evolution, cruel though they are, then led to those less fit offspring being eliminated from the gene pool. In other words- ideas and emotions such as honesty, loyality, and fairness are actually unbenefical, if not harmful, to a woman's reproductive success. This is why woman often ignore these ideas and don't apply them (to their own behavior). To them, these are nothing but masculine social conventions.

Every generation of woman that ignored masculine social conventions, and obeyed their own "base" impulses had greater reproductive success (in terms of genetics) then the woman who acted "responsible, mature, moral, loyal, honest, or fair" (or whatever other term you want to apply to your masculine/slave/beta standard of reproductive morality). Little wonder we see these behaviors continue, and thrive, to this day.

 

[Señor Fingers]

@ Aenigma

Interesting points, but your logic falls apart when you try to apply modern social dynamics to human evolution.

If you go back far enough, before churches, patriarchy and other male institutions locked down female sexuality, women did not need to lie or cheat to sleep with multiple partners. Society was matriarchal and it was considered common practice for women to be promiscuous.

Think about a women's cycle of arousal vs mens, it makes total sense. A woman does not tire after orgasm and could easily handle a procession of men, who in contrast would not be able to do the same. (We just want to eat a sammich and go to sleep once we bust!)

Only the tantrics of the far east really explored the multi-orgasmic potential of men. Mainstream society never caught on and to this day guys are convinced that ejaculation = orgasm, which is actually not true!

I watched a documentary not too long ago called Sperm Wars (or something like that) They basically had these tiny cameras inside a promiscuous womans uterus and you could actually see sperm from different partners fighting with each other! That is evolution at work... for centuries it was considered the norm and nature adjusted our physiology as a result.

If you wanted to make a generalized statement, I think it would be more accurate to say that women are genetically predisposed to have multiple partners and are rebelling against society after years of repression.

In the final analysis, both genders have taken turns throughout history being "dogs".

 

[iqqi]

And when and where it was like that ? As far as I know, if you go back in history you will only see that men main job was to kill each and enslave each other and women job was to, well, do nothing but be the ***** of those who would dominate.

Remember the story of David and Beth-sabat from the bible ? For thousands of years, woman could be less than a commodity, nothing more than a possession, in special in western civilization. It was xtianity who kind of changed that.

Well for one the bible may be no more than a work of fiction, it isn't history.

And two, do some googling. You never learned in school about societies in history that were matriarchal?

 

[Señor Fingers]

And when and where it was like that ? As far as I know, if you go back in history you will only see that men main job was to kill each and enslave each other and women job was to, well, do nothing but be the ***** of those who would dominate.

Remember the story of David and Beth-sabat from the bible ? For thousands of years, woman could be less than a commodity, nothing more than a possession, in special in western civilization. It was xtianity who kind of changed that.

You are talking Biblical times. I'm talking pre-bible.. 5,000-10,000 BC and beyond. Evolution works pretty slowly ya know.. we havent really changed that much physically in the last 5 thousand years.

Before patriarchal institutions (Christian/Jew/Muslim) came along, the world was decidedly pagan. Everything worked completely different. Women called the shots in society and men were hunters/gatherers.

Back then you were the b!tch and women were dogs.

 

[Señor Fingers]

When and where ? I teach history, and no big civilization I know is matriarchal

Matriarchal society exists to this day.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mosuo-One-of-the-Last-Matriarchal-Societies-36321.shtml

You may want to revise your curriculum there professor. Those people dont even have a word for "rape".

That is wrong! In greek civilization women were nothing but some kind of slave with no rights whatsoever. And that before xtianity or jewish influence, and something like that. Roman and Chinese civilization the same thing.

Okay, so I left out some of history's worst dogs from my list. That's not the point though.

If you really were a teacher (i hope you are not), then you would know that Western civilization is not that old in the grand scheme of things. No one can pin an exact date on it, but if we use Mesopotamia (the "Cradle of Civilization") as a guide, civilization sprung up around 5000 BC

Now unless you are a creationist, there is a huge chunk of time that is unaccounted for. Scientific evidence places the age of the human race around 160,000 years old.

You are right about one thing, matriarchal societies are a controversial topic. It predates written record so it's hard to prove exactly what happened in that time (and it's even tougher when most of what is written was penned by dudes).

But if you put enough facts together, you see that it does make the most sense.

I can't see a reason why women need be more than slaves, since there's nothing a woman can do that a man can't do, and probably better.

Your right.. men can totally give birth and nurture families . I wonder how your mom feels about your stance.

It seems like our world today goes against all the laws of nature.
That's why some centuries from now everyone in the western world will be either chinese, hindu or muslim...

Please back up this outrageous statement with facts, as I have done.

 

[bigjohnson]

It predates written record so it's hard to prove exactly what happened in that time ....

But if you put enough facts together, you see that it does make the most sense.

I'd love to have an elaboration on what those prehistoric facts are that were not written down but are known to be true. Sounds to me like someone has been to one too many 'Wicker Man' parties.

 

[Señor Fingers]

I'd love to have an elaboration on what those prehistoric facts are that were not written down but are known to be true. Sounds to me like someone has been to one too many 'Wicker Man' parties.

That's Burning Man

Matriarchal societies exist in places where the western world hasnt cast its tight grip.. that and the biological considerations involved are enough evidence for me.

I'd love to see someone here disprove the existence of matriarchal societies with hard evidence. Please.. enlighten me!

 

[ketostix]

That's Burning Man

Matriarchal societies exist in places where the western world hasnt cast its tight grip.. that and the biological considerations involved are enough evidence for me.

I'd love to see someone here disprove the existence of matriarchal societies with hard evidence. Please.. enlighten me!

And how are you going to disprove the existence of patriarchal societies with hard evidence. And do you really think Eastern societies are/were matriarchal? Even today in China they abore female babies and in many other eastern societies women are basically prostitues.

 

[iqqi]

If you really were a teacher (i hope you are not)...

Yeah, THAT is a scary thought!


Can we get a mod? IS this guy old enough to be posting here?

I was also going to point out to him that western civilization is pretty darned new in the scheme of things.

 

[bigjohnson]

That's Burning Man

I'm no expert but I thought 'Burning Man' is just the best known of many modern Wicker Man parties. *shrug*

Matriarchal societies exist in places where the western world hasnt cast its tight grip

So? Are you saying that patriarchal societies only exist in westernized places?

I'd love to see someone here disprove the existence of matriarchal societies with hard evidence. Please.. enlighten me!

Who cares? I don't think that they exist as a fringe phenomenon is in question. I doubt anyone can prove or even make a good case for them ever being more than that though. Women are weaker and dependent for long periods of time, seems like a pretty toiugh nut to crack to me.



Making an assertion that's not provable and then requesting proof of a strawman is sort of weak isn't it?

 

[Phyzzle]

Well, prehistoric societies were more varied than you might think!

Among polynesians, it wasn't uncommon for a woman to have 4 husbands. What did it matter who the biological father was? A child basically belonged to his mother's family. On some islands, a son was mainly raised by his wife's brothers, and never really knew his father so much.

Among the navajo, a woman could divorce her husband - and keep his house!! These were all stone-age people.

 

[Señor Fingers]

@bigjohnson

You are right .. total strawman argument.. lets burn it!

Forget hard facts. I want you to wildly hypothesize why you think matriarchal societies never existed. I already posted my ideas.

Where is your material guys? Or do you only know how to pick apart loopholes in discussions

@SXS,

Read over my responses again. Make the link between matriarchal societies and female sexuality, vs patriarchal societies and male sexuality. This thread is about who is the DOG. I say we collectively tend to take turns.

What is your theory.. dont just disagree with me. Tell me why.

 

[Señor Fingers]

My theory ? Both are equally dogs. Sex is too important to keep the species going, so it's bigger than you or me. It's life. It's harsh, it's cruel, whatever people might say, but things are like this. Our sexual impulses are stronger than our will or morals(at least in most of us) because it's necessary to be this way for the the continuity. Sex will happen even with the person it's not supposed to.

I actually agree with you 100% here...although your "women should be slaves" stance does make you look less... evolved, for lack of a better word.

 

[bigjohnson]

I want you to wildly hypothesize why you think matriarchal societies never existed.

I have no doubt that they have always existed as they do now, as a tiny worn spot on the hem of the pant-leg of civilization. Why would I argue otherwise? Something existing and something being dominant are completely different things.

I already posted my ideas.

Yawn. Is story time over soon?

 

[Señor Fingers]

Yawn. Is story time over soon?

Apparently someone here is enjoying the "boredom"

What is up with the stand-offish attitude though?

I thought this was the Mature Man's forum

 

[Señor Fingers]

You misunderstood me. I did not said women should be slaves. I said that there are not any pratical reason for it not to be like that.

Umm, you also pretty much said they were worthless because men can do everything better. In my book that's ignorance.

But that dont mean you are not entitled to your opinion. If you really believe that countries like Saudi Arabia have the right idea, maybe you should be living there?