What if nothing changes after yrs of struggle?

[Commandante]

Try going out to have fun instead of hoping to hook up with chicks.

God has spoken! Amen!

 

[kingsam]

moneyisking...

questions:
how many girls have you approached in these 3 years?
how often do you go out?
where do you go to meet/practice your game?

 

[kingsam]

moneyisking...

questions:
how many girls have you approached in these 3 years?
how often do you go out?
where do you go to meet/practice your game?

---
PS your too outcome dependent - rejection should be empowering

 

[nismo-4]

After yet another failure with a girl, I'm really staring to believe that some men are just not meant to get girls.

Should there be a time when giving up is the right course of action?

I have no intention of living my adult life as a lonely man. I just can't see a point to it. In a little over a year from now I'm going to be out of college and 30 years old. Is there really any hope of getting a woman from then on if I haven't been able to get one in my youth?

Like Megaman said, some guys go into hiding and come out when they're handsome of famous. I came across a book called "The Handsome Factor" by Mark Belmont. I haven't read the book, but I read one called "Guy Gets Girl" by Tiffany Taylor and it's laughable at best.

Judge Nismo-4 says no man is entitled to any pu$$y.

Here again, some men go into hiding and come out when they have something cool to offer.

Case and point, I have a friend back in Louisiana who totally struggled to get a date, to the point where I had to hook him up with a date for prom. 2 years later, we go to a casino and we were really lucky! Not yet with the women there, but I won 100k on Roulette! Then I dropped the max on red (10k) and won again, bringing me to 120k! I chilled the f**k out, but my friend outshined me by hitting a progressive jackpot on a slot machine (about 2 million dollars) I had to stick by his side and casino security had to escort us out. He had no problem with girls for a long while, and that new E-class Benz he bought the next day was a big help for him! He came and picked me up and hooked me up with some of his newfound-otherwise-unattainable-but-is-since-he-got-money pu$$y! Pretty awesome in Louisiana BTW.

Remember, everything a man does, there are groupies, some more than others. World of Warcraft doesn't have that many. But if girls aren't coming to you naturally, stop chasing them and focus on your life. And grow some balls too! That's my ruling.

Case closed.

 

[Zarky]

I won 100k on Roulette! Then I dropped the max on red (10k) and won again, bringing me to 120k! I chilled the f**k out, but my friend outshined me by hitting a progressive jackpot on a slot machine (about 2 million dollars) I had to stick by his side and casino security had to escort us out.

Was that like in some fantasy of yours?

 

[Kupid Diggs]

@ Scion & Moneyisking where do you guys live? Alaska? Maybe is where you guys live. Come down south, to Atlanta. It's so many women down there that you'll get them on accident. Or do like you name says, and get to the money. If you get $$$ you'll definitely have your pick of the liter.

 

[Maxtro]

I get what your point is but the "example" of your friend getting women by getting money is a very poor one. Of course money is going to bring girls. There is no way I'm going to start gambling to try and become rich. That's nothing more than having extreme luck.

Remember, everything a man does, there are groupies, some more than others. World of Warcraft doesn't have that many. But if girls aren't coming to you naturally, stop chasing them and focus on your life. And grow some balls too! That's my ruling.

Case closed.

Your contradicting yourself. How is me stopping chasing girls going to have them come to me naturally?

Either one has girl go up to them, or one chases the girls. My life is currently not set up in a way that would have girls coming to me. The only way I can hope to get any action is to chase girls. It's just very depressing when I make a little bit of progress with a girl, but then things go wrong before I even get a chance to kiss her. It's just so frustrating.

 

[nismo-4]

I get what your point is but the "example" of your friend getting women by getting money is a very poor one. Of course money is going to bring girls. There is no way I'm going to start gambling to try and become rich. That's nothing more than having extreme luck.


Your contradicting yourself. How is me stopping chasing girls going to have them come to me naturally?

Either one has girl go up to them, or one chases the girls. My life is currently not set up in a way that would have girls coming to me. The only way I can hope to get any action is to chase girls. It's just very depressing when I make a little bit of progress with a girl, but then things go wrong before I even get a chance to kiss her. It's just so frustrating.

For the top paragraph, I brought this guy to the casino to get him out the house. Madden does get boring after a while. We weren't expecting to win much, but we just got quite lucky! In more ways than one!

For the second sentence and last paragraph, I was ju- wait a minute! See that part Judge Nismo put in bold italics? Understand that YOU can set up your life in a way that would have girls coming up to you. I had some luck in this case, but I'm work in tax liens-real estate and now I got a great, steady income. I didn't have time to chase women, I only took those who were interested. Otherwise, I disregarded females and acquired currency.

Did you listen to PokerStar? Read his post.

Now, I want you to read what I underlined. How do these things go wrong? It's a vague statement.

You seem like a guy who NEEDS a woman in his life. Women can sense that sh*t. All I can say is raise your market value because women's market value is high, so much so that the fatties and uglies act like divas more than 9's and 10's!

 

[nismo-4]

@ Scion & Moneyisking where do you guys live? Alaska? Maybe is where you guys live. Come down south, to Atlanta. It's so many women down there that you'll get them on accident. Or do like you name says, and get to the money. If you get $$$ you'll definitely have your pick of the liter.

I think the Palin-looking women in are the easier picks.

In Atlanta (yes Kupid, I stay on the Eastside in Dekalb county) Most women in the perimeter (inside Interstate 285) are tougher to get, unless, obviously, like you said, get $$$! Those Atlanta women are fine for the most part, but will snub you if you don't have a lot to offer. I've see these women gravitate toward the guys with the Benzoes and the Lambos, etc.

 

[Maxtro]

For the top paragraph, I brought this guy to the casino to get him out the house. Madden does get boring after a while. We weren't expecting to win much, but we just got quite lucky! In more ways than one!

For the second sentence and last paragraph, I was ju- wait a minute! See that part Judge Nismo put in bold italics? Understand that YOU can set up your life in a way that would have girls coming up to you. I had some luck in this case, but I'm work in tax liens-real estate and now I got a great, steady income. I didn't have time to chase women, I only took those who were interested. Otherwise, I disregarded females and acquired currency.

Did you listen to PokerStar? Read his post.

I'm going to a big university in SoCal. I should at least be doing a new girl every three months. But instead of that, I've gotten nothing in the two years I've been here. I know my life could be absolutely crazy and drowning in pussy but I just don't even know how to get the ball rolling. The only thing holding me back is myself. So yeah, I'm definitely my biggest cockblock. Unfortunately knowing that isn't going to change anything as I don't know how to fix it. I'm still waiting to get my "big break."

Since I'm a full-time student I just have enough money to live on. So I can't use that to get girls.

Now, I want you to read what I underlined. How do these things go wrong? It's a vague statement.

Here are some examples. The current girl I'm working on, I had one date with her. Then the very next day I had to leave for a family camping trip that I really didn't want to miss since I only see them once every six months. Then I had to visit my parents so I was basically out of town for a week and a half. There was no way I could keep her interest going in that time period.

I managed to get her attention yesterday and were going to do something in the near future but since she's busy with school I have to wait for her to tell me when she's free. Odds are I'm never going to hear from her again.

Before her there was a girl that I was getting close to but she was leaving to study abroad in Australia right after school got out. There was no way I could game her fast enough.

Back in March there was the nerdy girl that I hung out with a couple of times and when we were going to have a real date she decides to bring her guy friend along. The next way she tells me we can still be friends.

That's the shit that keeps happening to me.

You seem like a guy who NEEDS a woman in his life. Women can sense that sh*t. All I can say is raise your market value because women's market value is high, so much so that the fatties and uglies act like divas more than 9's and 10's!

Damn right I need a woman in my life. 28 years old and I still haven't had a freaking girlfriend. Hell I haven't even gotten sex the "right/correct way" yet. I'm very careful in how I present myself when I'm around women. I actually do such a good job at it that women often have no idea that I'm interested in them at all.

Raising my market value is hard at this point. All I can do is try to look good, everything beyond that is based on my social skills.

 

[Zarky]

I should at least be doing a new girl every three months. But instead of that, I've gotten nothing in the two years I've been here. I know my life could be absolutely crazy and drowning in ***** but I just don't even know how to get the ball rolling. The only thing holding me back is myself.

Um, no, despite the rumors, college-age girls are not all about the sex. You don't really start getting lots of chicks until you get older. I went to a "large SoCal university" too and found p*ssy hard to get, and I was a popular guy on campus.

College age women are just out of their teens and in their early 20s. This is still basically childhood. Women don't start really getting horny until their 30s, and they often don't loosen up until their 40s.

 

[yuppaz]

I'm just going to throw this out there. You first need to forgive yourself for not having the success you wanted. You then need to realize that you're a cool guy and that women would be lucky to hang out with you. You then need to approach more, and approach to GET REJECTED, go through that **** as a fun game for yourself (at least for a couple weeks). You need to completely let go of the idea that getting rejected is in any way going to hurt or affect you, so you can mellow the hell out in "set". I would bet a gazillion dollars your problem is your own feeling of self worth and fear of rejection. You don't see yourself as a prize but you should, because you kick ass. Girls don't see any hint of interest and that isn't working so try something else. Try showing massive interest, in the cool stuff they talk about and in who they are because they are people too and want to be seen as valuable and feel connected to you just like you really do with them. Throw game away for a while and focus on connecting with really cool people. You will be surprised at how some of your mannerisms and things you have learned will naturally come out at the right time when you are just vibing with her, and it will make all of the time spent learning this stuff worth while. You're an awesome and social guy, go share that part of yourself with the world. Stop being selfish and keeping that **** inside and go express who you are, they will love you for it....

 

[FairShake]

I actually do such a good job at it that women often have no idea that I'm interested in them at all.

I think this may be your problem. How about some hints that you're interested?

 

[Scion]

I'm going to a big university in SoCal. I should at least be doing a new girl every three months. But instead of that, I've gotten nothing in the two years I've been here. I know my life could be absolutely crazy and drowning in pussy but I just don't even know how to get the ball rolling. The only thing holding me back is myself. So yeah, I'm definitely my biggest cockblock. Unfortunately knowing that isn't going to change anything as I don't know how to fix it. I'm still waiting to get my "big break."

Since I'm a full-time student I just have enough money to live on. So I can't use that to get girls.

Here are some examples. The current girl I'm working on, I had one date with her. Then the very next day I had to leave for a family camping trip that I really didn't want to miss since I only see them once every six months. Then I had to visit my parents so I was basically out of town for a week and a half. There was no way I could keep her interest going in that time period.

I managed to get her attention yesterday and were going to do something in the near future but since she's busy with school I have to wait for her to tell me when she's free. Odds are I'm never going to hear from her again.

Before her there was a girl that I was getting close to but she was leaving to study abroad in Australia right after school got out. There was no way I could game her fast enough.

Back in March there was the nerdy girl that I hung out with a couple of times and when we were going to have a real date she decides to bring her guy friend along. The next way she tells me we can still be friends.

That's the shit that keeps happening to me.


Damn right I need a woman in my life. 28 years old and I still haven't had a freaking girlfriend. Hell I haven't even gotten sex the "right/correct way" yet. I'm very careful in how I present myself when I'm around women. I actually do such a good job at it that women often have no idea that I'm interested in them at all.

Raising my market value is hard at this point. All I can do is try to look good, everything beyond that is based on my social skills.

Umm, wow. No offense but that's pathetic. Why do you need a girl? You don't. Just look at me, I've never had any girls, I'm almost your age and I don't need a girl. I want a girl sure, but I've got along just fine alone up til now so I figure I'll be fine if I'm alone for the rest of my life.

 

[Warrior74]

Um, no, despite the rumors, college-age girls are not all about the sex. You don't really start getting lots of chicks until you get older. I went to a "large SoCal university" too and found p*ssy hard to get, and I was a popular guy on campus.

College age women are just out of their teens and in their early 20s. This is still basically childhood. Women don't start really getting horny until their 30s, and they often don't loosen up until their 40s.

What? I swear every time you post its just full of fail.

I got more ass in college than at any other point in life. It was a free for all. And I was not popular. If you were popular and didn't get laid that's on you. College is when girls get away from mommy and daddy and even good girls can go bad without parental scrutiny. So this guy is suppose to just beat off and wait until he can pull 30 and 40 year olds? Get the fvck outta here with that. They dont get horny until 30s? Really tell that to all the pregnant kids I see at the mall and all the college girls we banged back in the day. Dude, you gotta give better advice than that.

 

[S.U.R.F.]

OP, honestly your mindset is messed up.

You have ONLY THREE choices from here on out.

1) Give up, die alone
2) GET better, **** women
3) Kill yourself.

It's THAT simple.

 

[909pua]

I have struggled a long time and after getting shot down at bar again yesterday, I am thinking "WTF", maybe I am just a dumba$$ who doesn't get it or some divinity is majorly c0ck-blocking me. I don't know guys... What should a guy like me do

This is my experience. I've been in this forum for over a year and been reading other things for 2 years. Everything you learn in this website, PUA books, and other sites is only a guideline, its not meant to make you get girls. Each person is different and girls react to different things about you and they are influenced by different factors such as age, height, status, race, personality type, body type, looks, etc.

What works for one person might not work for others. You just need to go out there and try different things, sometimes that's things that this website has never covered or talked about it. Sometimes thats things that are violating DJ rules. You are not supposed to do these things on purpose but rather you are testing the situation out and see what results you get. Then you try that same method to someone else and you see the reaction. Then you try it again, if lets say 4 girls you try a certain method on bit the bait, then you know for a fact that what you tried works for u. You just need to go out there and stop over analyzing and thinking too much and just go for it and test stuff out. Girls like to test guys, its your turn to test them.

And remember, getting rejected is part of the game and you just have to eat it up and not let it bother u

If I dont make myself clear or you are confused about something in my post, let me know send me a PM. Look at my signature, I keep updating it because I keep discovering new things. What I have now in my signature is what I learned up to this point.

 

[Plinco]

I cannot believe some folks are complaining after all is handed to them on a silver platter.

If I made the rules here, there would be a rule saying that if you say you want to give up more than twice, you get booted off this forum.

 

[nismo-4]

ORDER IN THE COURT!

I'm going to a big university in SoCal. I should at least be doing a new girl every three months. But instead of that, I've gotten nothing in the two years I've been here. I know my life could be absolutely crazy and drowning in pussy but I just don't even know how to get the ball rolling. The only thing holding me back is myself. So yeah, I'm definitely my biggest cockblock.

Have you learned how to get the ball rolling? I just speak my mind. I wore "The Legend of Zelda" shirts on my campus and women loved how it looked on me. Great convo starter. I even wore spinner rim watches. That ice helped me break the ice. Make yourself look like you're interesting, at least.

Unfortunately knowing that isn't going to change anything as I don't know how to fix it. I'm still waiting to get my "big break."

As in hit the lottery? What are you doing until then?

Since I'm a full-time student I just have enough money to live on. So I can't use that to get girls.

I didn't. I delivered pizzas. I became a popular student. Worked for me.

Here are some examples. The current girl I'm working on, I had one date with her. Then the very next day I had to leave for a family camping trip that I really didn't want to miss since I only see them once every six months. Then I had to visit my parents so I was basically out of town for a week and a half. There was no way I could keep her interest going in that time period.

You still could've talked, but keep the attraction going.

I managed to get her attention yesterday and were going to do something in the near future but since she's busy with school I have to wait for her to tell me when she's free. Odds are I'm never going to hear from her again.

Odds are you're right. That's because you put the ball in her court. Control the ball. That's what men do.

Before her there was a girl that I was getting close to but she was leaving to study abroad in Australia right after school got out. There was no way I could game her fast enough.

You were apparently unarmed. You should've tried to game her quick, provided she lets you.

Back in March there was the nerdy girl that I hung out with a couple of times and when we were going to have a real date she decides to bring her guy friend along. The next way she tells me we can still be friends.

Proof that even woman-nerds have high market value too! Maybe there are groupies for guys who play a lot of World of Warcraft.

That's the shit that keeps happening to me.

Goddamn.


Damn right I need a woman in my life. 28 years old and I still haven't had a freaking girlfriend. Hell I haven't even gotten sex the "right/correct way" yet. I'm very careful in how I present myself when I'm around women. I actually do such a good job at it that women often have no idea that I'm interested in them at all.

Beta male qualities in the light. Not good. There is an overpopulation of desperate males. Don't tell guys you never had a girlfriend unless you want to be the butt of your friends' jokes. Keep it a secret from everybody. Except on this site. And what's the right way to get sex? What, you paid for pu$$y? Goes to show you that women have a high market value.

Raising my market value is hard at this point. All I can do is try to look good, everything beyond that is based on my social skills.

Well, that's a start. Try becoming popular. Make lots of money. Join a band. Look desirable. Look like you got something to offer. Don't say you got a huge c0ck because the only way it gets social proof is if it gets in that pretty pink stuff.

Read betw-Hope this helps.

OP, honestly your mindset is messed up.

You have ONLY THREE choices from here on out.

1) Give up, die alone
2) GET better, **** women
3) Kill yourself.

It's THAT simple.

I'm gonna file this one under "Get off your ass." And it gets a rep! Warrior74 would get rep too, if his wasn't disabled.

Case closed. Send me a PM with a follow up or some more cases Maxtro.

 

[Maxtro]

I'm just going to throw this out there. You first need to forgive yourself for not having the success you wanted. You then need to realize that you're a cool guy and that women would be lucky to hang out with you.

Good points, but very hard to accomplish. Sadly I can't just convince myself that women would be lucky to be with me. I need to have the good experiences and then I can believe that I'm a cool guy.

You then need to approach more, and approach to GET REJECTED, go through that **** as a fun game for yourself (at least for a couple weeks). You need to completely let go of the idea that getting rejected is in any way going to hurt or affect you, so you can mellow the hell out in "set". I would bet a gazillion dollars your problem is your own feeling of self worth and fear of rejection. You don't see yourself as a prize but you should, because you kick ass. Girls don't see any hint of interest and that isn't working so try something else. Try showing massive interest, in the cool stuff they talk about and in who they are because they are people too and want to be seen as valuable and feel connected to you just like you really do with them.

I agree with you here. One thing I've really tried to do is increase the number of women I pursue at a time. Normally I try to get one girl every other semester. During the quick summer semester I did things a bit differently and tried to go after three girls. Two of them didn't pan out but I had one date with the third. Assuming she doesn't change her mind, we are getting together on Thursday but I doubt it will happen.

I don't believe in cold approaches or sets. I only go after girls I see on a semi-regular basis. I'm experimenting with showing different levels of interest. Because of my past I was afraid to show any interest because it usually led to rejection. Now I'm trying to find the balance between too much and not enough. Rejection still sucks.

Throw game away for a while and focus on connecting with really cool people. You will be surprised at how some of your mannerisms and things you have learned will naturally come out at the right time when you are just vibing with her, and it will make all of the time spent learning this stuff worth while. You're an awesome and social guy, go share that part of yourself with the world. Stop being selfish and keeping that **** inside and go express who you are, they will love you for it....

I've never thought of it as game. I just like talking to cute girls and having fun conversations. I just wish somebody would actually let me get beyond the friend phase.

You have ONLY THREE choices from here on out.

1) Give up, die alone
2) GET better, **** women
3) Kill yourself.

It's THAT simple.

Ain't that the truth.

For me, 1 isn't an option and 3 is only a last result to consider in the future if things don't pick up a few years from now.

Umm, wow. No offense but that's pathetic. Why do you need a girl? You don't. Just look at me, I've never had any girls, I'm almost your age and I don't need a girl. I want a girl sure, but I've got along just fine alone up til now so I figure I'll be fine if I'm alone for the rest of my life.

Maybe my mom didn't love me when I was a kid, I don't know. Just that ever since I was 13, there was nothing more that I wanted in my life than a girlfriend. 15 years later and I still haven't gotten one.

BTW if you were fine without having a woman in your life, you wouldn't be on this site...

What? I swear every time you post its just full of fail.

I got more ass in college than at any other point in life. It was a free for all. And I was not popular. If you were popular and didn't get laid that's on you. College is when girls get away from mommy and daddy and even good girls can go bad without parental scrutiny. So this guy is suppose to just beat off and wait until he can pull 30 and 40 year olds? Get the fvck outta here with that. They dont get horny until 30s? Really tell that to all the pregnant kids I see at the mall and all the college girls we banged back in the day. Dude, you gotta give better advice than that.

I agree with you. College is the time to get serious action. The girls are hot and horny. I wouldn't even know where to start to try and get 30+ year old women.

Have you learned how to get the ball rolling?

I became a popular student.

When I said get the ball rolling, I mean to get my life on a track where I become a popular guy and the girls want to be with me. I don't know how to get that path started. Heck I haven't had a friend in over a year.

You still could've talked, but keep the attraction going.

Odds are you're right. That's because you put the ball in her court. Control the ball. That's what men do.

Right now I'm terrified of going into the friendzone so I purposely kept my contact with her to a minimum. I don't have a clue how to maintain attraction over the phone. I also texted her twice during my vacation and she never responded. Fearing the I was rejected I sent her an email suggesting we get together, since we've exchanged emails a few times before it wasn't out of the ordinary, and again she didn't reply.

I was going to delete her email address and number but before I did that, I sent her one last text last Thursday. She actually replied and asked me what I wanted to do. We agreed on doing a bike ride but she has a big project that's due on Wednesday so she won't be free until next Thursday. I sent her a text yesterday (Saturday) asking if she's free today and she said no, still working on the project. I'm going to contact her again in a couple of days and try to set concrete plans or find out if she's playing me.

Proof that even woman-nerds have high market value too! Maybe there are groupies for guys who play a lot of World of Warcraft.

Beta male qualities in the light. Not good. There is an overpopulation of desperate males. Don't tell guys you never had a girlfriend unless you want to be the butt of your friends' jokes. Keep it a secret from everybody. Except on this site. And what's the right way to get sex? What, you paid for pu$$y? Goes to show you that women have a high market value.

I was surprised that, that girl rejected me. She may have had some issues that I don't know. She is super nerdy and used to be a fatty so she may have not been used to getting male attention.

I do know that women, all women have high market value. Much higher than my own. All I can do is try.

I've been desperate for many years, but I keep it very tightly under wraps. The only people that know I'm unhappy are my parents and the thousands of anonymous people online.

To me the right way to have sex, is to meet a girl you like, and who likes you back. You go on a couple of dates and or have a relationship then have sex. Or maybe you hook up at a party. The key is that you at least like each other and that it has to be an accomplishment. Getting laid just because you paid the entrance fee doesn't count.