What does "game" offer a woman?

[Urbanyst]

Take a comfortable seat by this roaring fire, dear reader, and let me spin you two separate yarns.

STORY 1:

A hefty, overweight woman approaches you at a bar. She has a pretty face but she'd really need to hit the gym for a long time to capture your physical attention. Your first impression is that you're really not that interested.

"Hi, I'm Dana. I'm a CEO and a leader in my field."

She shows off a big blingy gold ring on her finger and tells you that she's a multi-millionaire thanks to her cardboard box factory business. The ring looks tacky enough that it's probably fake, but you shrug. She draws her stool closer, leans in, and starts telling you how the factory allowed her to buy a Ferrari and a private jet. She's wearing a really heavy perfume that while expensive also reeks of desperation. You start to move away slightly but she seizes your wrist.

"Wait." She says. "I have a burning passion for cardboard box factories. They make so much money, it's fascinating. Let me regale you about my success."

She talks for 2 and a half hours about cardboard boxes, you're only staying because of the free drinks. You feel like you want to slice your own ears off.

Eventually you go to leave and she points at her pretty face. "Is it my face you don't like? Don't worry, I'm going to have $1,000,000 of plastic surgery on it soon and get that gorgeous trout pout everyone likes."

STORY 2:

A pretty woman with a svelte figure approaches you at a bar. She has long flowing dark hair and the body of a dancer. She draws a stool up and you find yourself staring into her eyes unconsciously.

"Hey, I'm Sarah." She says. "What's a handsome man like you doing in a place like this?"

Sarah lightly touches your wrist as you talk, and coolly diverts the topic towards her hobbies of travelling, athletics, animal care and computing. She seems really well rounded and the conversation flows very naturally, with the occasional burst of mutual laughter. At the moment she's lacking funds, but she dreams of opening a business one day.

She ends the conversation by handing you her number and landing a playful pat on your thigh. You have to restrain yourself from calling her a couple of hours later, she has a crafted a strange air of mystery about her and you want to know more.

--

There you are, story time over. An unconventional approach from a woman rather than the typical approach from a man to illustrate the point - which woman would you go for? The one with enormous financial backing and absolutely zero appreciable personality, or the financially poor one with an accomplished personality, sense of humour and her own sense of game?

Personally it'd be Sarah for me every single time. Every. Single. Time.

Cool story.

I would go for the HOT woman.

You need another lesson:

 

[Urbanyst]

This is how to be unforgettable to a woman^^^^

LMS is important, yes. But game and frame have everything to do with how a man manages his interactions with women & translates into how he manages his relationships. All of that boils down to how a man manages himself. Confidence & charm go a long way in building comfort with a woman. Those are huge components of game. Those are huge components of compatibility too.

When a man can be described as having the ability to "charm the pants off women" that is something more than LMS. Game + frame + LMS is how you reach the apex of SMV.

If you can't dispute this video (as no one can) its all hot air lol.

 

[BeExcellent]

If you can't dispute this video (as no one can) its all hot air lol.

Why is anything I say hot air? Because a chick said it? That is silly. You BELIEVE in the content of the video. It's pointless to argue about beliefs. There are no facts nor real science to be had in that video as it is an opinion piece.

Furthermore, nobody here is debating whether or not LMS is important. The consensus of the whole board, myself included, is that LMS is important, it has its place and should be a goal men strive for (for their own purposes.) But it isn't the whole basis of attraction. It never was, is not now, and never will be. I'm a woman who deals ONLY with men who have LMS. I find very very few men attractive out of that group (where all have LMS.) Like Amante I'm talking from my own life experience. I agree LMS can get you access to the best women, but once you have access you still have to create attraction.

Again, see rich good looking tech geeks in Silicon Valley in their Teslas.

SMV and LMS are not the same thing. One does not require the other, although they can both exist in the same individual.

 

[Macaframalama]

If you don't have the LMS a woman wants, she will drop you.

Keeping women boils down to emotional, sexual and/or financial gratification. LMS can get you in the door, but she stays with you for one or a combination of the afore mentioned and if you are the only one investing, that will only keep her around for so long and you are just tricking yourself off, until you are used up. The key is in getting them investing from the onset, wether you need her resources or not. Getting her to buy into you. You are speaking from the perspective of having the game flipped upside down and inside out. Who's really selling who a dream in your scenario?.?. You are either "pimping" or getting "fvcked". No two ways around it, period. It's the way it's always been and the way it will always be. Your perspective is flawed and your frame is frail. I'm not saying that to throw insults, but I won't sugar-coat facts to coddle egos either. LMS are important, but the second a man chooses to pursue improving areas of his life for the sole purpose of seeking validation from others, that man has just fvcked himself off. You can live in delusion and you can try to change the terminology, the rules and the regulations of the game all you like, but the game isn't going to change for you, just because you can't operate within it and succeed with losing strategies.

 

[Murk]

I recommend that you cool it on personally attacking other members or you will be the one banned, not him. This post brings no value to the forum or this thread. This is your warning.

You having a laugh? You must have your work cut out then looking at the amount of personal attacks and 0 value nonsense being posted here on this board. My post actually did contain value, that charm and confidence have a massive swing, something I’ve noticed other posters beginning to post about too. Thanks for the warning.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Absolutely

After some thought Richard The frog

Take a comfortable seat by this roaring fire, dear reader, and let me spin you two separate yarns.

STORY 1:

A hefty, overweight woman approaches you at a bar. She has a pretty face but she'd really need to hit the gym for a long time to capture your physical attention. Your first impression is that you're really not that interested.

"Hi, I'm Dana. I'm a CEO and a leader in my field."

She shows off a big blingy gold ring on her finger and tells you that she's a multi-millionaire thanks to her cardboard box factory business. The ring looks tacky enough that it's probably fake, but you shrug. She draws her stool closer, leans in, and starts telling you how the factory allowed her to buy a Ferrari and a private jet. She's wearing a really heavy perfume that while expensive also reeks of desperation. You start to move away slightly but she seizes your wrist.

"Wait." She says. "I have a burning passion for cardboard box factories. They make so much money, it's fascinating. Let me regale you about my success."

She talks for 2 and a half hours about cardboard boxes, you're only staying because of the free drinks. You feel like you want to slice your own ears off.

Eventually you go to leave and she points at her pretty face. "Is it my face you don't like? Don't worry, I'm going to have $1,000,000 of plastic surgery on it soon and get that gorgeous trout pout everyone likes."

STORY 2:

A pretty woman with a svelte figure approaches you at a bar. She has long flowing dark hair and the body of a dancer. She draws a stool up and you find yourself staring into her eyes unconsciously.

"Hey, I'm Sarah." She says. "What's a handsome man like you doing in a place like this?"

Sarah lightly touches your wrist as you talk, and coolly diverts the topic towards her hobbies of travelling, athletics, animal care and computing. She seems really well rounded and the conversation flows very naturally, with the occasional burst of mutual laughter. At the moment she's lacking funds, but she dreams of opening a business one day.

She ends the conversation by handing you her number and landing a playful pat on your thigh. You have to restrain yourself from calling her a couple of hours later, she has a crafted a strange air of mystery about her and you want to know more.

--

There you are, story time over. An unconventional approach from a woman rather than the typical approach from a man to illustrate the point - which woman would you go for? The one with enormous financial backing and absolutely zero appreciable personality, or the financially poor one with an accomplished personality, sense of humour and her own sense of game?

Personally it'd be Sarah for me every single time. Every. Single. Time.

The poor lady could've been running game on you. The game is to hook you in order to get to your resources. The heavy lady didn't need your resources. The poor lady needs to help herself. The rich lady needs to chill out and get her physical appearance in order.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

After some thought Richard The frog


The poor lady could've been running game on you. The game is to hook you in order to get to your resources. The heavy lady didn't need your resources. The poor lady needs to help herself. The rich lady needs to chill out and get her physical appearance in order.

Game is pretty smart and would stir your emotions and imagination. So the poor lady KNOWS she is hot. And she knows she peaked your interest. I wonder how the future conversation goes and if she strings you along for dates and withholds sex. She seems really good at what she does.

 

[Grit-Persist]

Very rarely do I still log in here, but I did the other day and I couldn't help but notice how my boy (@Urbanyst ) is getting completely gang attacked on this forum by folks who want to hold onto a dying market phenomenon (which is the notion that the 99.5% of women left on this market are worth anything of true long term merit).

What @Urbanyst is preaching about Looks, Money, and Status is the gospel, because that's just how shallow, unfulfilling, and lack of substance this market of women are. Like I've said before, the short term dating market is BOOMING, the long term dating market is in a Great Recession. Now, this does not mean that having a decent Personality is of low value, but you have to get the fvcking audition first and if your "headshot" ain't right (looks), or if nobody else can "recommend you" (status), or if you can't buy your way into exclusive circles (money).....then forget about it.

I have always said that "Game" was cartoon shyt because I don't believe you can truly "seduce" a woman like the cartooon network, Daffy Duck, Pickup Artists continue to preach. When I refer to "Game" in this context, it's simply the notion that SOLELY through your words, conversations, body language, and NLP tactics, you can CONVINCE a chick to fvck you or date you....who 15 minutes prior, didn't want to have ANYTHING to do with you.

Complete cartoon shyt.

A woman takes a look at you for the first time and within 20 seconds she will decide whether or not she's going to fvck you. That's before you say any damn thing. That decision will be highly leveraged on your looks, monetary potential, or the amount of social proof you carry. AFTER THAT, all you need is basic (very basic) personality/social skills of knowing how to carry on a basic fvcking conversation (which any grown a.ss man should know how to do) and you're all set.

Note, this is for women 7+ in looks. For women of lower looks value, things could be different but who really wants a woman that's less than a 7 anyway?

I can't sit back and let you guys gang attack @Urbanyst like this. Right now he's pound for pound, your most valuable member on this board, but I'm not sure how long he will last though. Sosuave is now a website where blue pill FEMALE MEMBERS get popular male posters like myself, Poon King, etc. banned for the simple reason that our content hurts their feelings.

 

[ohrein]

Very rarely do I still log in here, but I did the other day and I couldn't help but notice how my boy (@Urbanyst ) is getting completely gang attacked on this forum by folks who want to hold onto a dying market phenomenon (which is the notion that the 99.5% of women left on this market are worth anything of true long term merit).

What @Urbanyst is preaching about Looks, Money, and Status is the gospel, because that's just how shallow, unfulfilling, and lack of substance this market of women are. Like I've said before, the short term dating market is BOOMING, the long term dating market is in a Great Recession. Now, this does not mean that having a decent Personality is of low value, but you have to get the fvcking audition first and if your "headshot" ain't right (looks), or if nobody else can "recommend you" (status), or if you can't buy your way into exclusive circles (money).....then forget about it.

I have always said that "Game" was cartoon shyt because I don't believe you can truly "seduce" a woman like the cartooon network, Daffy Duck, Pickup Artists continue to preach. When I refer to "Game" in this context, it's simply the notion that SOLELY through your words, conversations, body language, and NLP tactics, you can CONVINCE a chick to fvck you or date you....who 15 minutes prior, didn't want to have ANYTHING to do with you.

Complete cartoon shyt.

A woman takes a look at you for the first time and within 20 seconds she will decide whether or not she's going to fvck you. That's before you say any damn thing. That decision will be highly leveraged on your looks, monetary potential, or the amount of social proof you carry. AFTER THAT, all you need is basic (very basic) personality/social skills of knowing how to carry on a basic fvcking conversation (which any grown a.ss man should know how to do) and you're all set.

Note, this is for women 7+ in looks. For women of lower looks value, things could be different but who really wants a woman that's less than a 7 anyway?

I can't sit back and let you guys gang attack @Urbanyst like this. Right now he's pound for pound, your most valuable member on this board, but I'm not sure how long he will last though. Sosuave is now a website where blue pill FEMALE MEMBERS get popular male posters like myself, Poon King, etc. banned for the simple reason that our content hurts their feelings.

No one disagrees that LMS is important. I'd also agree the dating market (at least in the city I live) is terrible. Society has devalued relationships and marriage to the point that they're valued so little, people are encouraged to discard them at a whim. Integrity has taken a sideline to excessive personal "freedom".

That said, there's not much to be gained from droning on about LMS. Improving your looks as a guy is simple. A bit of fashion and hit the gym. Money and Status are basically career driven unless you're lucky enough to make it as an artist so there's not much to discuss there either. So we don't need a hundred posts about them a week.

On top of that, no one thinks game can magically get you any woman outside of your range. We all instinctively and consciously know that our LMS limits our access to certain social and dating circles. Again, there's not much to be learned from that information.

"I have always said that "Game" was cartoon shyt because I don't believe you can truly "seduce" a woman like the cartooon network, Daffy Duck, Pickup Artists continue to preach. When I refer to "Game" in this context, it's simply the notion that SOLELY through your words, conversations, body language, and NLP tactics, you can CONVINCE a chick to fvck you or date you....who 15 minutes prior, didn't want to have ANYTHING to do with you."

This is not what game is. You clearly do not understand it. There's no tricks, there's no convincing, it's not in isolation. The fact you put body language on that list means you really don't understand what game is. If you don't think body language has anything to do with attraction you need to go read some more. It is incredibly important throughout the animal kingdom. And I have had women who didn't want anything to do with me, want to date me 15 minutes later so I can state that this is absolutely possible. Strong masculine behavior is just as important if not more important than good looks. There are quite a few good looking guys on this very forum who will confirm that.

Anyway, the reason Urbanyst is being "attacked" is because firstly he's just wrong, and that's what this forum is for, discussing information. But two because that sort of toxic mindset that your dating life is out of your control is potentially dangerous to users. I've seen a few users recently talk about suicide and giving up and it's in part because they feel the situation is hopeless. I and many others on here know that it's not. You can have the success you want, within reason of course.

 

[Grit-Persist]

I'd also agree the dating market (at least in the city I live) is terrible. Society has devalued relationships and marriage to the point that they're valued so little, people are encouraged to discard them at a whim. Integrity has taken a sideline to excessive personal "freedom".

Correct.

That said, there's not much to be gained from droning on about LMS. Improving your looks as a guy is simple. A bit of fashion and hit the gym. Money and Status are basically career driven unless you're lucky enough to make it as an artist so there's not much to discuss there either. So we don't need a hundred posts about them a week.

Well, I don't know about that. If building up your money/finances and fixing your looks were easy, honestly, I don't think The Manosphere/MGTOW would exist in the high numbers that it does today. Yes, granted, the character of women have decreased to low levels......but the honest truth is that 80% of the guys in the Manosphere are bitter dudes who can't get BASIC dates and BASIC pvssy. They hide behind the "women ain't shyt" analysis in order to mask their own failures.

If most of the Manosphere/MGTOW dudes had their looks and finances together, they would be getting a lot of dates/a.ss in this short term dating market BOOM and honestly wouldn't care about most of this shyt. There would still be a community, but it would be filled of guys like myself.....who have fixed his shyt, are getting women, getting a.ss, but come to discuss how the Long Term Dating prospects of women are shyt.

- Fixing your looks is hard. You have to workout, eat right, fix the way you dress, fix the way you smell, fix your hair, fix your teeth, get plastic surgery if you are just completely fvcked up in an area, etc., and you have to maintain all of this. That's not easy, it takes WORK.

- Fixing your finances is even harder, considering the bad job market we have with jobs that can barely support a family, cost of living going up, 80% of jobs not even being POSTED anywhere, along with other issues.

So a guy that looks good with good finances is a unicorn right now. That's why he's able to take advantage of this booming Short Term Dating Market even with having very minimal/basic social skills. This is what @Urbanyst was trying to pinpoint to you guys.

This is not what game is. You clearly do not understand it. There's no tricks,

Sir that's exactly what the crap is. It's straight from the Pick Up Artist/Seduction Community, with Mystery Method, Neil Strauss, and other cartoon PUAs who charge fat, broke, ugly, guys a CRAP TON of money to tell them that Looks/Money doesn't matter.....and all that matters is having these "secret" conversational tactics. It's straight up cartoon shyt lol.

I've seen a few users recently talk about suicide and giving up and it's in part because they feel the situation is hopeless..

The reality is that it is hopeless for far too many folks out here. I know that's not positive, Joel Osteen, uplifting information. But the truth is that our "system" of life here in the free world (America) was NEVER built so that "every man" can achieve "happiness". We simply just have the Declaration of Independence, which only says that you can "pursue" Happiness........never said you were going to get it.

The reality is that only about 10% to 20% of men in America will truly achieve happiness. That is to be successful in looks, in money, in career, in social life/status, in good health, and with a good family/support group. That's the truth.

 

[Urbanyst]

Why is anything I say hot air? Because a chick said it? That is silly. You BELIEVE in the content of the video. It's pointless to argue about beliefs. There are no facts nor real science to be had in that video as it is an opinion piece.

Furthermore, nobody here is debating whether or not LMS is important. The consensus of the whole board, myself included, is that LMS is important, it has its place and should be a goal men strive for (for their own purposes.) But it isn't the whole basis of attraction. It never was, is not now, and never will be. I'm a woman who deals ONLY with men who have LMS. I find very very few men attractive out of that group (where all have LMS.) Like Amante I'm talking from my own life experience. I agree LMS can get you access to the best women, but once you have access you still have to create attraction.

Again, see rich good looking tech geeks in Silicon Valley in their Teslas.

SMV and LMS are not the same thing. One does not require the other, although they can both exist in the same individual.

The video showcases real life events and the results of those events. How is that "opinion"?

Tell me three claims made by the video that you believe to be false and why.

I'm sure Christmas will come before I get a straight answer lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

Keeping women boils down to emotional, sexual and/or financial gratification. LMS can get you in the door, but she stays with you for one or a combination of the afore mentioned and if you are the only one investing, that will only keep her around for so long and you are just tricking yourself off, until you are used up. The key is in getting them investing from the onset, wether you need her resources or not. Getting her to buy into you. You are speaking from the perspective of having the game flipped upside down and inside out. Who's really selling who a dream in your scenario?.?. You are either "pimping" or getting "fvcked". No two ways around it, period. It's the way it's always been and the way it will always be. Your perspective is flawed and your frame is frail. I'm not saying that to throw insults, but I won't sugar-coat facts to coddle egos either. LMS are important, but the second a man chooses to pursue improving areas of his life for the sole purpose of seeking validation from others, that man has just fvcked himself off. You can live in delusion and you can try to change the terminology, the rules and the regulations of the game all you like, but the game isn't going to change for you, just because you can't operate within it and succeed with losing strategies.

Yeah you're talking a lot of sh*t here.

LMS gets you in the door and compatibility keeps you there. "Game" is horse sh*t voodoo tricks and FRAUD.

I don't know where you got the idea that "game" has anything to do with improving your life. If anything MONEY will improve your life more than just about anything else lol.

Making MONEY to live well isn't validating others. Using "game" to impress women is the ultimate validation seeking pathetic behavior.

 

[sosousage]

Yeah you're talking a lot of sh*t here.

LMS gets you in the door and compatibility keeps you there. "Game" is horse sh*t voodoo tricks and FRAUD.

I don't know where you got the idea that "game" has anything to do with improving your life. If anything MONEY will improve your life more than just about anything else lol.

Making MONEY to live well isn't validating others. Using "game" to impress women is the ultimate validation seeking pathetic behavior.

What if i dont have money?

Also look at people like @RichardTheFrog . Rich and failing terribly

 

[RichardTheFrog]

What if i dont have money?

Also look at people like @RichardTheFrog . Rich and failing terribly

But I'm not rich yet, you retard.

Plus, even if I was, no one would have any way of knowing because I drive an old car and wear work clothes all the time.

Pretty strong words from a guy who goes on dates with transsexuals.

 

[Urbanyst]

What if i dont have money?

Also look at people like @RichardTheFrog . Rich and failing terribly

STATUS.

You have to pass a woman's LMS test.

 

[Urbanyst]

Once these are all maxed out and we've done all we can do, what else do we have to work with besides game?

Compatibility.

Higher LMS than your competition.

Stability when a woman is hitting the WALL.

That's what you work with. Not fraudulent voodoo.

 

[sosousage]

But I'm not rich yet, you retard.

Plus, even if I was, no one would have any way of knowing because I drive an old car and wear work clothes all the time.

Pretty strong words from a guy who goes on dates with transsexuals.

You will fail even with money you keyboard warrior.

 

[nismo-4]

Who said to lead with your wallet?

You need to have high SMV to a woman or she won't f*ck you. High SMV consists of your looks, MONEY and status compared to her other options.

Guard your wallet.

Of course high SMV helps, and LMS gets you more chances.

At the end of the day, it's all about what the woman is looking for. Does she want sex? A beta provider? A new orbiter? An emotional tampon? Attention only? A serious boyfriend? Business connections? A career boost? An ego boost? Access to exclusive clubs? Temporary validation? A surrogate boyfriend?

Her interest lies somewhere in there, depending what you have to offer. She may see you in some beta role, which you should cut ties immediately. Sex comes first guys.

You are always competing with her other options and guys that she has around her. Every woman has a man in their life in some capacity. If she rejects you sexually, your SMV wasn't high enough. At that point, you're between friendzone and creep zone.

There are otherwise infinite reasons why a woman will reject you. Cheering for the wrong football team, having a Samsung phone, not having dreadlocks, etc.

Second place is first loser. You need to be coming in first.

 

[Macaframalama]

There would still be a community, but it would be filled of guys like myself.....who have fixed his shyt, are getting women, getting a.ss, but come to discuss how the Long Term Dating prospects of women are shyt

You stated in the past, that women were approaching you, because of the rims on your car. No wonder these are your experiences and your truths, because the both of you are fishing for bottom feeders.

Sir that's exactly what the crap is. It's straight from the Pick Up Artist/Seduction Community, with Mystery Method, Neil Strauss, and other cartoon PUAs who charge fat, broke, ugly, guys a CRAP TON of money to tell them that Looks/Money doesn't matter.....and all that matters is having these "secret" conversational tactics. It's straight up cartoon shyt lol.

It isn't what the game or game is. The chumps you listed have exploited something that has been around, before any of us on this forum. They claim to have reinvented the wheel and have made something that should be simple, rocket science and have gotten rich in the process. Much like the fitness industry or muscle mags promising "10lbs of rock hard muscle mass in 3 weeks" or "10 minute abs" etc. Then they provide some secret, complex routine, when the answer is found in simply getting off your fat a$$ and regulate your eating habits or in the case of you and your "boy", stop fvcking with gutter slvts. You honestly can't be so ignorant to think, that slapping 24" rims on your candy painted, box Caprice isn't going attract every hood rat, within your vicinity. These are your and urbs realities. There are too many men out here doing what they want, getting what they want, how they want and happy doing it for what you two are saying to be universal truth. Rather than pissing and moaning about it, level the fvck up already and stop seeking validation from other humans. You two are the biggest whiners on this forum with your toxic nonsense and ppl are sick of you thumping on about your "doomsday prophecies".

But the truth is that our "system" of life here in the free world (America) was NEVER built so that "every man" can achieve "happiness".

No chit Sherlock. When has it ever? In any society?

We simply just have the Declaration of Independence, which only says that you can "pursue" Happiness........never said you were going to get it.

The reality is that only about 10% to 20% of men in America will truly achieve happiness.

And are you going to be one of the 10% to 20% of men in pursuit of truly achieving happiness? It's not hard to find, but big fvcking newsflash for ya, IT IS NOT FOUND IN WORLDLY, MATERIAL POSSESSIONS AND VALIDATION FROM OTHERS!!!

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You will fail even with money you keyboard warrior.

Smart phone warrior? Because I'm out at my 2 jobs all day?

Show us some hot matches you get.

Cause girls are attracted to me nearly every time I go out, btw.

At this point, I've been with so many hot escorts that sex alone can't possibly be my goal. So I don't even know what is.