What does "game" offer a woman?

[Trump]

If you're red pill, you know attracting women comes down to your looks, MONEY and status.

Imposed statement. Red pill has nothing to do with LMS.

Different women will have different criteria for acceptable LMS. But you have to pass her LMS test or you have no chance in hell of ever f*cking her. Plain and simple. Just remember her LMS standards will change with age. So you might pull her when she is 30 even if she rejected you when she was 23 lol.

Another imposed statement.

LMS gets you in the door. What next? People claim "game" is what keeps a woman interested after you pass her LMS test. I say bullsh*t.

You know what keeps a woman interested after you pass her LMS test? Its how well you improve her lifestyle and how well she fits into your lifestyle compared to her other options.

If you can't keep her interested with GAME you are done.

Is your lifestyle appealing to her? Do you have similar values? Do you elevate her in some way?

That's what determines if a woman sticks around once you pass her LMS test.

No it's GAME.

What does "game" offer a woman? Nothing but VALIDATION. Using "game" showcases how little faith you have in your SMV. Using "game" shows who you are isn't enough. Using "game" means you are trying to punch above your weight.

Your SMV gets you in the door. What you offer in terms of lifestyle keeps you in the door. Everything else is blue pill horse sh*t.

Game makes a women feel good about herself and will let you have sex with her. Everything else is blue pill garbage.

 

[Urbanyst]

Game makes a women feel good about herself and will let you have sex with her. Everything else is blue pill garbage.

Horse sh*t.

If that was true, any guy on this site with "game" could just cherry pick any woman they want and f*ck her lol.

Idiotic post.

LOL.

 

[Urbanyst]

Agree. But perhaps "game" is a set of tools that allows us to navigate In the world of status. "Game" also allows one to manipulate and cause emotions in a structured manner.

This is true.

But if you have nothing to offer a woman in terms of SMV, she won't care about you enough to have an emotional response to your "game".

Using fraud to manipulate women works. Faking your STATUS works. But how long can you be a fraud before your relationship implodes on itself? If you're not being authentic it will show itself eventually.

That's why some blue pill clowns have been on this site for 10 years with the same lady problems they've always had lol. They believe if they just learn just a little bit more PUA voodoo they will get where they want to be. They don't understand their current SMV/LMS and their compatibility with the women they date is what drives their dating success and that's it. Not their "game".

People are trying to call basic social skills "game" in a desperate attempt to save face. Nah, "game" is not basic social skills. Game is following strict rules when interacting with women to control the outcome.

 

[Urbanyst]

The compatibility you talk about, I agree. But I don't have the energy, time or patience to plow through endless women unscreened with the hopes of eventually stumbling onto it.

So you think "game" is the solution to this? Lol.

I don't agree with your definition of "game". What you are describing is social/cultural intelligence. That's not what "game" is. Game is a verb. Social intelligence is an adjective. Its not the same thing.

No, it doesn't. But you don't have to actually do these things to lead many women into believing that's what coming. They do it all on their own as soon as they know you have the resources. That's all that needs to be established.

Any woman with a monetary agenda is going to overlook weaknesses almost willingly. This is a disaster for compatibility (not to mention inflates a man's sense of SMV). These men I spoke of with "LMS, but not much else"..... many didn't have the ability or desire to screen for these compatibility factors that become important in LTRs. All they saw was a trophy girl who admired them so dearly. When the glow of the LMS-driven fairytale life faded into day to day compatibility, they found themselves coming up very short.

Ok I hear ya.

You're talking more about screening for the right women. I'm talking more about what it takes to consistently attract and f*ck HOT women.

Even still.. "game" is not required to screen women. Knowledge and social intelligence is required.

 

[Roober]

I don't understand your obsession about the phrase "game". I also don't understand your reasoning about bashing PUAs making good money teaching guys to come out of their shell. It's their thing, just like the corrupt stock market and the many other gimmicks people pay for in this world.

I don't think anyone hear pays for PUA material, so your really barking up the wrong tree. I certainly never did. To me, game is the ability to get women and keep them in check. Game, alpha, whatever you want to call it is the push of pull of relationship dynamics that goes on for the first part of the relationship (longer for unhealthy individuals).

If a woman cheats on a guy, he likely had no game. If a woman denies a guy, he likely had no game. And what I mean is that he lacks confidence, the ability to flirt effectively, the ability to get a woman in the sack, and the ability to bed that woman appropriately, and down the line the ability to maintain that frame.

No amount of LMS will keep a woman if the man is essentially not enough of a man. She may be with him, but she won't actually be with him, if that makes sense.

This site is about self improvement. Focus on your looks (all men can be at least a 7) and your career first, then use your social calibration and confidence to get women.

So what is your point exactly? Don't spend money on pua material? Or...?

 

[zekko]

LMS gets you in the door. What next? People claim "game" is what keeps a woman interested after you pass her LMS test. I say bullsh*t.

People define "game" in a lot of different ways, so it's kind of a vague term IMO, like "alpha". It means different things to different people.

The way the community talks about "game" though, I've always gotten the impression that if you don't have anything to offer a woman, "game" tricks a woman into thinking that you do, lol. Because you are trying to mimic the behaviors of high value guys that she would really be interested in. Trying to trigger some sort of instinctual primitive response within her to get her attracted, long enough that you can bang her and then move on to the next.

I've always thought it was funny when I read a post where a woman calls the guy out on his BS. Like she will say something like "I don't think you really have any reason to be this ****y".

 

[fastlife]

Christ lol. What motivates women, logic or emotion? Trick question. Both, to a degree. Dualistic mating strategy.

BUT when all logical concerns for a woman’s survival are already spoken for what becomes her primary motivation?

Emotions.

What is game? The ability to press a girl’s emotional buttons. LMS can all generate emotional responses, in varying degrees to various girls. BUT exposure, overtime, to any emotional stimuli results in a lessened response (see bored, rich wives banging a deadbeat since her husband, even if he has LMS, no longer makes her feel anything).

Which brings in solipsism. LMS is an objective (logical measure). That’s what men deal in. Women deal in subjective measures (How does your money make her feel? Does she feel like you’re good looking? Does she feel like you have high status?). It all comes back to her and how you make her feel.

In most of my lays a girl has no idea what I do for a living, no idea what my social life is like, no idea how much money’s in my bank account. It’s a non factor. Looks help, but I look the same with the girls who like me and the girls who don’t. What changes? My behavior. What might be a word we use to describe behavior that generates the emotional responses in girls that make her feel like fvcking me is a good idea?

Game.

Get it yet? Or do you have ego investments that make it seem like working 60 hrs a week is a safer bet than a little rejection here and there In terms of time investment, your greatest returns will be optimizing your looks with the least amount of effort & going out and learning game.

 

[zekko]

What is game? The ability to press a girl’s emotional buttons. LMS can all generate emotional responses, in varying degrees to various girls. BUT exposure, overtime, to any emotional stimuli results in a lessened response (see bored, rich wives banging a deadbeat since her husband, even if he has LMS, no longer makes her feel anything).

Yeah, I think "game", as the community describes it, is mostly a short term effect. Although people sometimes talk about the long term, as in "the game never ends". Like if you get married, you can't let your guard down or get complacent with your wife. But by and large, it's a short term thing.

I personally define "game" as the way that you relate to women, especially in the way you attempt to seduce or create attraction in them. We all have our own way of trying to do this, even if some of us are less than competent.

 

[Spaz]

Christ lol. What motivates women, logic or emotion? Trick question. Both, to a degree. Dualistic mating strategy.

BUT when all logical concerns for a woman’s survival are already spoken for what becomes her primary motivation?

Emotions.

What is game? The ability to press a girl’s emotional buttons. LMS can all generate emotional responses, in varying degrees to various girls. BUT exposure, overtime, to any emotional stimuli results in a lessened response (see bored, rich wives banging a deadbeat since her husband, even if he has LMS, no longer makes her feel anything).

Which brings in solipsism. LMS is an objective (logical measure). That’s what men deal in. Women deal in subjective measures (How does your money make her feel? Does she feel like you’re good looking? Does she feel like you have high status?). It all comes back to her and how you make her feel.

In most of my lays a girl has no idea what I do for a living, no idea what my social life is like, no idea how much money’s in my bank account. It’s a non factor. Looks help, but I look the same with the girls who like me and the girls who don’t. What changes? My behavior. What might be a word we use to describe behavior that generates the emotional responses in girls that make her feel like fvcking me is a good idea?

Game.

Get it yet? Or do you have ego investments that make it seem like working 60 hrs a week is a safer bet than a little rejection here and there In terms of time investment, your greatest returns will be optimizing your looks with the least amount of effort & going out and learning game.

Cleverly put.

 

[devilkingx2]

Well as i see it, game isn't supposed to give the woman anything, it's entirely for you.

Game as i see it, as like when you're playing video games and use unintuitive or non roleplay friendly strategies to get ahead,

like staying at level 1 to beat the level scaling of enemies, shooting a rocket at your feet to boost yourself higher, jumping constantly to make yourself hard to shoot, finding a super efficient grinding spot to power level yourself easily and skip most of the content/challenge, etc.

For the 5 guys in the world that don't play video games, think about standardized tests, specifically SAT prep, remember how it was mostly ways to game the system and figure out the answer without necessarily worrying about knowing the information? (read the questions then scan the passage for the answers, estimating the answer to quickly knock off the obviously wrong answers to make it easy to guess, looking for at least two right answers off the bat so you can circle "all of the above" without needing to read the other 2-3 choices, etc.)

For those of us into computers and software, i liken game to hacking into account, gaining access without worrying about pesky things like knowing the password or owning the account/being allowed to access it

Picture a woman's ideal way of finding a mate, ever seen the bachelor? A bunch of guys lining up to take their turn with her, kowtowing to her every whim, taking only what she chooses to give and not a bit more? Game is you shifting the paradigm out of her benefit and into yours, if your strategy is to show up with flowers on her doorstep and hope that you're the richest best looking guy she knows at the moment, you're not using game but you are playing into her hands/frame for no reason

Using game would be not taking her on official formal dates and dinners, instead grab drinks or netflix n chill on one of your couches, take her to a party or a rave or a club or a bar, use kino and put the moves on her, ask to use the bathroom when you drop her off so you've got an excuse to go up with her, etc.

 

[devilkingx2]

In the same vein, women have their own versions of game, all the strategies they use that's to their benefit rather than yours.

Why would a woman want to withhold sex until several dates in when some nebulous criteria is met?

Why would a woman wait until she has a new man to drop the old one?

Why would a woman keep many orbiters around and lead them on indefinitely despite her lack of interest?

All of these things have benefits to her and her alone, they serve her purposes. And you're playing her game and losing if you don't counter with your own game.

 

[captain55]

If you're an actual suave guy, you know confidence trumps LMS. I know this for a fact. LMS theory/outlook is for beginners looking for guidance. If you are in the big boy leagues, you know confidence and charm is everything. You are a basic *****, which is fine, but don't you dare mislead guys here into your way of thinking, you do more harm than good and like many others, I highly doubt your credentials and recommend you be banned from making topics.

LOL. I don't care how much game you have or well you bang your girl, how good looking you are....you can't compete with a rich guy assuming the rich guy is decently attractive. Occasionally you may get lucky and land a super hot loyal chick, but don't think for a minute she's not turned on by a man with money. When that guy in the rolls royce pulls up, and she grabbing your arm super tight....deep down she is soaking wet.... money and success are universally attractive to women. Especially young chicks.... And its the reason every man should be chasing money over women...

If you don't believe me go to vegas or miami for a weekend and get bottle service at a high end club, wear a nice rolex, dress sharp. Please tell me how much game you need to leave with the best looking girls in the club. Please pay attention to who the best looking chicks in the club are going home with.

The only exception to this rule is cluster B's. These women are more into men they can feed off of emotionally than a man's status/ wealth. But a 9 with BPD is no prize....the rich guys get the hottest chicks and thats the way it is. Sure you may get lucky if you have average income and your very good looking combined with amazing game, but to play in the big leagues (miami, LA, vegas, NY) you need money to be able to pick and choose from the creme of the crop.

 

[Murk]

Well I've never been to Vegas, LA or NY and have no plans to (well not long term anyway) I'm from a different country so I guess I will never play in the big leagues. But I have picked up women in Miami, I even did it back when I was 19 and had very little money or game. All this rich guys get the best women is failure talk, I'm not even gonna engage with beta convo like that.

 

[captain55]

Yup. It's not just a porno, fantasy storyline. I can show you screenshots of texts describing those trophy wife types that was sent to me by a woman who knows a lot of them.

They stay with the man for the lifestyle. The cheat on him for emotional/sexual satisfaction. These guys got LMS, and that's about it.

Your talking about the rich beta. The alpha with money has gotten bored of his wife sexually and is cheating on her with his hot ass 22 year old foreign secretary and she knows it but still puts up with it. She's cheating with the pool boy because she knows the husband can do better any time he wants so will use a man with lower status to fulfill her emotional needs. I'd rather be the rich guy being cheated on but thats just me....this thread is sending the wrong idea to guys. Game only goes so far...and A guy with money can bang whoever he wants with mediocre game.

 

[Bingo-Player]

have only read the OP but i will have to disagree

have been with a chick for a solid 6 months now and to be perfectly honest i cant offer her anything more than i can offer myself

i am far from rich , i live in a house share with a guy thats supposedly "well off" but im not sure is entirely all there in his head...... my car is 14 years old

the women OP addresses in his post are not women you want to be dealing with unfortunately i know these do make up around 70% of the female population

but this is where your screening comes into play.......if you screen properly then you shouldn't encounter any problems as long as you dont ignore any red flags

the guy i live with now spent 4 years of his life with a girl that wanted nothing more than a roof over her head and any other materialistic things he could provide for her

he of course was just happy to receive sex in exchange

when you engage in a transactional relationship like this you are doomed for failure from the word go

work out what you want from a woman ( other than sex) and then take it from there

 

[BeExcellent]

To preface, when I say game, I don't mean all the little "tricks" PUA gurus teach like negging or waiting to text. I'm talking about a proper internalized understanding of masculine/feminine dynamics. An understanding that is almost automatic.

Game offers what looks, money and status can't. Deep emotional experiences. LMS will attract a woman to you but you will never have a deep and lasting impact on a woman if that's all you have to offer. At the end of the day, women (and men) do want actual social and emotional connections with other people. Women are driven by evolutionary biological drives (as are men), but that is not the complete story. Red pill explains the biological behaviors and desires that men and women have through evolutionary psychology and game teaches you how to be a man that will leave a lasting impact on the people you interact with through strong values and masculinity.

Women will talk about the hot, rich guy they ****ed a couple of times, but they'll talk about the guy with game for the rest of their lives.

This is how to be unforgettable to a woman^^^^

LMS is important, yes. But game and frame have everything to do with how a man manages his interactions with women & translates into how he manages his relationships. All of that boils down to how a man manages himself. Confidence & charm go a long way in building comfort with a woman. Those are huge components of game. Those are huge components of compatibility too.

When a man can be described as having the ability to "charm the pants off women" that is something more than LMS. Game + frame + LMS is how you reach the apex of SMV.

 

[fastlife]

Yeah, I think "game", as the community describes it, is mostly a short term effect. Although people sometimes talk about the long term, as in "the game never ends". Like if you get married, you can't let your guard down or get complacent with your wife. But by and large, it's a short term thing.

I personally define "game" as the way that you relate to women, especially in the way you attempt to seduce or create attraction in them. We all have our own way of trying to do this, even if some of us are less than competent.

It's possible--preferable IMO--to incorporate your game as a permanent part of your personality. Yeah, you can use gimmicks that you turn on & off or you can internalize that confidence, that non-neediness, that ability to lead/dominate, the ability to generate emotional responses in other people; until its just a part of 'who you are.' But any new set of behavior patterns take practice--whereas your current set of thoughts & behaviors have been practiced for so long that you can't remember the point where you learned them (even though you did, at some point). You can call that 'faking it' but that's like calling someone learning how to play a piano a 'fake' piano player, or calling someone who is training to program a computer a 'fake' computer programmer.

And regardless of what strategy you pursue to reach your desired ends (in the context of this convo, seducing or attracting women), ALL of them (outside of straight prostitution, be that BackPage or the wedding altar) depend on generating an emotional response in women. YOU CANNOT SEDUCE OR ATTRACT A WOMAN LOGICALLY. So, the question becomes, how do you navigate those emotions most effectively & efficiently?

Well, you could set out to attain a socially-conditioned & reinforced sense of a 'status.' That's what most benefits society & makes you a productive little consumer. Be a good little boy and go slave away at a job you hate for 15 years and maybe you can afford that car, that outfit, that house, that whatever, and then women will like you. And they might; that might help. BUT unless that job or that car or that outfit is the goal for you, in and of itself, you're better off pursuing the goal you want DIRECTLY. Makes sense, right? You want success with women, it makes sense that you would be better off allocating your time & resources to spending time with women. That's how we achieve success in every single other pursuit we undertake. You don't wait to go to the gym until your finances are good. You don't spend months in the gym to get the perfect body you want before you feel entitled to ask for a promotion.

Why is it that men have such a deeply ingrained belief that they HAVE to do ALL this auxiliary sh1t if all they really want is a little bit of trim and a girl or 10 to like them?

 

[Urbanyst]

If you want to be the beacon of light in the dark world of lonely men here, if you want to lead them to a land of milk and honey, then by all means, have at it. I have no interest in being Peter Pan, and I suspect we actually agree in more than we disagree on. It's just a circular discussion on the definition of words at this point.

But if you're going to lead men to the glories of LMS being alpha, being wreck less with women, as you put it, you better paint the whole picture for them. There are a lot of traps and pitfalls out there for men like this.

Everything I discuss here is not theory. It's experience. I don't talk about rich people from a theoretical perspective. I talk about such things because I live it. I talk to these people. I know their stories.

Many of these guys ended up in front of a judge in divorce court. They had to sell all of their properties. They have to pay $100k/year in alimony and child support. They can't stand in front of a judge and say, "But your Honor, I'm good looking, alpha and can Fvck my secretary".

These guys are now making 6 figures and trying to live on $400 a week. Their money and status is gone. These guys would kill if their only problem in life was that they couldn't land a hot piece of ass.

That's the only reason I'm in on this conversation. You and some others never talk enough about the dark side of this glorious life.

Don't want to call it game? Fine. Want to say it's compatibility and social IQ? Fine. But talk about it and provide some warnings

All of the LMS and alpha glorification will lead to a world of pain without those discussions.

I hear ya and agree.

However, I don't think anyone on this forum needs to be a one-stop shop for information. If I'm covering the LMS topic, there are lots of other guys like you who can talk about screening women and the dangers of commitment to shallow women. The forum is diverse enough that no one here should be getting all their information from one poster. I'm not anyone's daddy lol. We are all grown men who can think for ourselves (I hope).

The way I get flamed on here, I doubt most people are listening to me anyway. I just want to get the info out there. Maybe someone more charismatic can take what I post to the next level of "positive emotions" your average blue pill clown needs in order to accept new information lol.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

Take a comfortable seat by this roaring fire, dear reader, and let me spin you two separate yarns.

STORY 1:

A hefty, overweight woman approaches you at a bar. She has a pretty face but she'd really need to hit the gym for a long time to capture your physical attention. Your first impression is that you're really not that interested.

"Hi, I'm Dana. I'm a CEO and a leader in my field."

She shows off a big blingy gold ring on her finger and tells you that she's a multi-millionaire thanks to her cardboard box factory business. The ring looks tacky enough that it's probably fake, but you shrug. She draws her stool closer, leans in, and starts telling you how the factory allowed her to buy a Ferrari and a private jet. She's wearing a really heavy perfume that while expensive also reeks of desperation. You start to move away slightly but she seizes your wrist.

"Wait." She says. "I have a burning passion for cardboard box factories. They make so much money, it's fascinating. Let me regale you about my success."

She talks for 2 and a half hours about cardboard boxes, you're only staying because of the free drinks. You feel like you want to slice your own ears off.

Eventually you go to leave and she points at her pretty face. "Is it my face you don't like? Don't worry, I'm going to have $1,000,000 of plastic surgery on it soon and get that gorgeous trout pout everyone likes."

STORY 2:

A pretty woman with a svelte figure approaches you at a bar. She has long flowing dark hair and the body of a dancer. She draws a stool up and you find yourself staring into her eyes unconsciously.

"Hey, I'm Sarah." She says. "What's a handsome man like you doing in a place like this?"

Sarah lightly touches your wrist as you talk, and coolly diverts the topic towards her hobbies of travelling, athletics, animal care and computing. She seems really well rounded and the conversation flows very naturally, with the occasional burst of mutual laughter. At the moment she's lacking funds, but she dreams of opening a business one day.

She ends the conversation by handing you her number and landing a playful pat on your thigh. You have to restrain yourself from calling her a couple of hours later, she has a crafted a strange air of mystery about her and you want to know more.

--

There you are, story time over. An unconventional approach from a woman rather than the typical approach from a man to illustrate the point - which woman would you go for? The one with enormous financial backing and absolutely zero appreciable personality, or the financially poor one with an accomplished personality, sense of humour and her own sense of game?

Personally it'd be Sarah for me every single time. Every. Single. Time.

 

[Urbanyst]

People define "game" in a lot of different ways, so it's kind of a vague term IMO, like "alpha". It means different things to different people.

The way the community talks about "game" though, I've always gotten the impression that if you don't have anything to offer a woman, "game" tricks a woman into thinking that you do, lol. Because you are trying to mimic the behaviors of high value guys that she would really be interested in. Trying to trigger some sort of instinctual primitive response within her to get her attracted, long enough that you can bang her and then move on to the next.

I've always thought it was funny when I read a post where a woman calls the guy out on his BS. Like she will say something like "I don't think you really have any reason to be this ****y".

Exactly right.

"Game" as defined on this site is FAKING your status. LMS still holds up because you are faking one of the big three attraction builders.. STATUS.

Being a fraud is bad for the soul. Essentially you are saying "I'm not good enough so I must pretend to be someone else". You are also placing women above you, since there is no requirement for the woman to adjust her behavior lol. Its all good if you want to f*ck women out of your league and leave. Just don't whine and complain when you can't get a LTR with these women. If you don't have the LMS a woman wants, she will drop you. "Game" can only keep the facade going for so long lol.

Guys have a choice to make. Do you want to be your best self and pick from those options or do you want to be a fraud and get temporary highs?