What do you say not to look bad when they ask you

[Latinoman]

What is backwards is someone who thinks that a majority opinion is also a correct opinion. Ahh... the soft tyranny of social conformity...

What Americans are more against is the psychological dependency that living with one's parents may indicate rather than the actual physical dependancy.

The U.S. is also economically, technologically and militarily powerful nation on the planet. The frontier mentality that leads to independent thinking has largely helped this process. If Americans had looked at the world 50 years ago and said "well golly, everyone else is signing up for this communism thing I guess we should too, shucks!" Then we'd be in the same sh!t-hole mess most of this planet is in.

A general spirit of independence creates an atmosphere where being innovative and different from the norm is acceptable. That doesn't mean American society doesn't have a strong conformist streak, it just means that being non-conformist is an option and people won't stone you to death for being that way.

Bringing something new to the world, by definition, means thinking and doing things independent of the majority. It's no accident that the majority of new things and change in the world had come from America in the last few decades and not the rest of the world.

ABSOLUTELY right.

 

[Latinoman]

My thought on this, in my situation, is that if a WOMAN doesn't see what I see, or support the fact I am doing this to start a business, she isn't worth my time.
I know women cost money, but they dont cost as much as was posted for me anyway. I have gotten along just fine without ever spending that much, and i've had LTRs too.

You have to realize you can go out, have fun, and do MANY things and not unload the wallet. You can also just chill. Watch a movie, play pool, hang out with friends, etc etc. It's all in how you manage what you have. I have managed JUST FINE. And no time soon will I spend that much on a woman. So I dont worry about that whole.... "Well, how are you going to afford a woman" deal. I've done it and i'll do it again.

Now back to my original thought, I even test women with the whole.... Yeah, I live at home still so I can get my business off of the ground. I'm trying to save some money and instead of spending it on rent, i'm using it for start-up costs.

I'll then see her reaction and see how she goes on. I had one girl once whine that she said I should just forget it and do a 9-5pm job like everyone else and their mom. THIS IS NOT ME.

I've had other girls say.... Wow, I respect that, and can tell you have dreams and goals, and you are doing whatever it takes to get there.

A girl that tells me she has no problem with it and would be supportive is the type of woman that is a winner in my book. I know she'll understand, and even if I do move out, she'll be supportive of the fact I run my own business.

If I find one that doesn't like the fact I live at home so I can do something that has been a dream of mine (though it will be the second business i've owned) they aren't worth my time.

Like I said before. I look at what is at the end of the path and not what is there at the moment. To get to where I want to be, and be doing what I want to be doing the rest of my life, I do what it takes, even if it means living at home for the time being.

I think people who have owned a business before can understand this, and sometimes people who haven't, dont realize what it takes.

You cannot blame a woman for wanting an independent man over one that is dependent on his parents.

And how can you manage your business if you cannot manage your home?

There plenty of loans out there. I bet that if you were living on your own...you would have already started that business. Living at home under the comfort of your parents breeds lazyness and takes away from that independent and innovative spirit.

 

[Latinoman]

The fact is that living with your parents, for good reason or bad, is a huge negative with most women. Are they shallow for thinking that? If your genuinely doing it to look after your family, maybe so, but them's the breaks, they don't reward noble intentions with their pussy, just what turns them on.

I'm talking about the UK and it seems the US is the same. Italy and maybe some other European countries seem to have a different take on it, but unless your planning on moving there you have to deal with the reality.

Like any other negative, you can make up for it in other areas - but there is no doubt that it is a negative and you guys still living at home will realise that when you get your own place - even if it's a dump. How can a woman scream with orgasmic pleasure if she thinks she might wake up your folks?

As for a practical solution, apart from moving out at the earliest opportunity, the 'I'm supporting my family because they have no one else' line sounds best. I think you'd honestly be better off saying you were homeless.

I also agree with this 100%.

This is the U.S./U.K. mentallity. We have to accept that for what it is. France and Italy? Sure...good for you. But here in the U.S. or in the U.K. and I also suspect in Australia? That's a different story.

 

[Omen]

You cannot blame a woman for wanting an independent man over one that is dependent on his parents.

And how can you manage your business if you cannot manage your home?

There plenty of loans out there. I bet that if you were living on your own...you would have already started that business. Living at home under the comfort of your parents breeds lazyness and takes away from that independent and innovative spirit.

I've managed a business before. I've also managed a place on my own too, out of state. Not an issue.

There are plenty of loans out there, you are right, but you dont get it. A loan is a loan, regardless if you live at home, live on your own, or live in the trunk of your car.

A loan however comes with PAYING IT BACK, and paying interest on it. If I am stupid for living at home so I can try to NOT have to take a loan out as big as I would if I had been living my own. Guess I have no idea what is going on.

I just spent $500 last week on something related to it, and its not even going yet. I also have to spend another $375 in a few weeks. THIS COMES OUT OF MY POCKET RIGHT NOW. If I had to spend that on TOP of rent, it couldn't be done. I wouldn't have that money to do that. BUT, since I live at home, I have that money to spend, so when it comes time to take out a loan, I dont have to go... Well, looks like I need another $5,000 more.

Living at home doesn't breed me any laziness. I work my ass of day in and out.

NOTHING takes away from my independent innovative spirit. That's what keeps me going to get this business off of the ground, and NOTHING else.

Not only that, no one says this is forever. In fact my plans are to be out by years end, or early next year when I know how things are going.

But to each his own. I look at the future and not the present. And to get to that point, I do what it takes to get there.

 

[reset]

So, mature masculine men, care about what others think about their living situation or lifestyle. Being the best man you can be and moving towards your goals is ok, but the main thing is, do you have your own pad?

(sarcasm)

 

[Latinoman]

I've managed a business before. I've also managed a place on my own too, out of state. Not an issue.

There are plenty of loans out there, you are right, but you dont get it. A loan is a loan, regardless if you live at home, live on your own, or live in the trunk of your car.

A loan however comes with PAYING IT BACK, and paying interest on it. If I am stupid for living at home so I can try to NOT have to take a loan out as big as I would if I had been living my own. Guess I have no idea what is going on.

I just spent $500 last week on something related to it, and its not even going yet. I also have to spend another $375 in a few weeks. THIS COMES OUT OF MY POCKET RIGHT NOW. If I had to spend that on TOP of rent, it couldn't be done. I wouldn't have that money to do that. BUT, since I live at home, I have that money to spend, so when it comes time to take out a loan, I dont have to go... Well, looks like I need another $5,000 more.

Living at home doesn't breed me any laziness. I work my ass of day in and out.

NOTHING takes away from my independent innovative spirit. That's what keeps me going to get this business off of the ground, and NOTHING else.

Not only that, no one says this is forever. In fact my plans are to be out by years end, or early next year when I know how things are going.

But to each his own. I look at the future and not the present. And to get to that point, I do what it takes to get there.

I am not critisizing you for putting your goals ahead of women. That's actually good. But, it is a trade off. You cannot be upset if a woman decides to go for what she views as an independent man.

 

[Omen]

I am not critisizing you for putting your goals ahead of women. That's actually good. But, it is a trade off. You cannot be upset if a woman decides to go for what she views as an independent man.

I hear ya. And it is a trade off. This is why I actually dont want anything LT right now since I have so much other stuff to focus on. But if a woman decides that, then so be it. If she says... Hey look, I understand what you are saying, and i'm with you 100% of the way, so be it.

 

[edger]

Maybe you should move to Europe.

Perhaps some day I will. And for once be around actual good, genuine human beings, rather than ignorant, closed-minded, shallow, scum of the earth. Wanna join me Latinoman? Come on, maybe it'll do ya some good for a change.

that responsibilities to your parents are NOT allowing you to MATURE as an adult. That's a fact.

Latinoman, how is a guy/girl that pays RENT, helps out with the household, etc., not being responsible for his/herself??

It's the person who doesn't contribute ANYTHING to the household that is NOT responsible. Make sense?

 

[edger]

If you lives in your parents homes...they are the ones making the HARD decisions. Especially when it comes to paying bills or trading off issues (e.g. should I fix the ceiling this month or should I instead replace the window) and taxes and other responsibilities. In essence...it is about MANAGING a home and its responsibilities.

That's why if you're going to live with your parents, you CONTRIBUTE financially to the household in all aspects whatever you can(RENT, etc.)

 

[edger]

So, mature masculine men, care about what others think about their living situation or lifestyle. Being the best man you can be and moving towards your goals is ok, but the main thing is, do you have your own pad?

(sarcasm)

Nonsense, I know.

Latinoman talks from a very narrow-minded perspective, yet what gets me is, he "claims" to be open-minded. He see's things only one way; tunnel vision. And to think the way he does on this issue, does not reflect too good on his character as a human being. I have to be honest here. But that's right, I forgot, he is of good character, because he pay's his TAXES(I remember him saying something like that once in another thread). He thinks that's all being of "good character" entails. There's way more to it than that.

 

[edger]

double post, my mistake

 

[reset]

Well from my perspective, I DO want my own pad--it is a goal. I want to live on my own. At the same time, I have felt bad about MYSELF for this
"stigma" and it has kept me back from going for chicks. At least I've let it do that. I am in a roomate situation, with my Dad. I don't like it. But I absolutely pay my way and support myself. Rents are expensive in my area, but it's something I'm working towards.

This is my own perception though. If the situation were reversed and it wasn't my dad but just another guy roomate, then I would be officially on my own, in the eyes of these women who's opinion I've been conditioned to care about.

But I don't want a roomate just so chicks will perceive me as having higher value than I "do", it's just time for me to live by MYSELF.

Don't know if I'm making much sense. But I've allowed this stigma to affect my own self-esteem. I can't worry anymore about how I'll be perceived by others. I'm a man working to better my life. The apartment comes when I can swing it I guess.

I know it's real, I know women may think about it. But if they do, FORGET EM.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Well from my perspective, I DO want my own pad--it is a goal. I want to live on my own. At the same time, I have felt bad about MYSELF for this
"stigma" and it has kept me back from going for chicks. At least I've let it do that. I am in a roomate situation, with my Dad. I don't like it. But I absolutely pay my way and support myself. Rents are expensive in my area, but it's something I'm working towards.

This is my own perception though. If the situation were reversed and it wasn't my dad but just another guy roomate, then I would be officially on my own, in the eyes of these women who's opinion I've been conditioned to care about.

But I don't want a roomate just so chicks will perceive me as having higher value than I "do", it's just time for me to live by MYSELF.

Don't know if I'm making much sense. But I've allowed this stigma to affect my own self-esteem. I can't worry anymore about how I'll be perceived by others. I'm a man working to better my life. The apartment comes when I can swing it I guess.

I know it's real, I know women may think about it. But if they do, FORGET EM.

Don't believe the hype. You can still get girls living with your dad. Just get girls that have THEIR own place.

 

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Don't believe the hype. You can still get girls living with your dad. Just get girls that have THEIR own place.

Sounds good to me.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Sounds good to me.

Now let's see a field report my friend. And then a lay report

 

[reset]

lol, it's imminent, I'm tellin' ya.

This place has been great for me to look at these retarded beliefs I have about myself. Chicks dig me. I "get it". Just need my own crappy attitudes to catch up with the new man I'm becoming.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

lol, it's imminent, I'm tellin' ya.

This place has been great for me to look at these retarded beliefs I have about myself. Chicks dig me. I "get it". Just need my own crappy attitudes to catch up with the new man I'm becoming.

I don't see why living with your dad is stopping you. Hit up match.com and seek out chics who "live alone" Seek out hot divorced or seperated one's. They are EASY. Usually it's a first date wham bam thank you m'aam with those.

 

[reset]

Yeah the momentum's going somewhere.

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Yeah the momentum's going somewhere.

I swear EVERY single divorced or seperated woman I have ever gone out with has banged on the first date. Even when I was AFC. It's too easy.

Usually they are the one's who were "cheated" on and they are ruined. Oh well.

 

[reset]

How much do you pay a month?